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I did them yesterday, standing, free with a barbell.
Today im SORE in my delts, not that my delts are lacking but DAMN im going to do them every single workout, as i felt it activated all three heads.
Superior movement, i banged my head at the wall after this... for not doing this all these years...
Of course done right to avoid injury. lower the bar to the ear level and stop couple inches before locking out. Controlled reps, medium weights. no need to go heavy
Discuss.
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I did them yesterday, standing, free with a barbell.
Today im SORE in my delts, not that my delts are lacking but DAMN im going to do them every single workout, as i felt it activated all three heads.
Superior movement, i banged my head at the wall after this... for not doing this all these years...
Of course done right to avoid injury. lower the bar to the ear level and stop couple inches before locking out. Controlled reps, medium weights. no need to go heavy
Discuss.
id say limit injury not avoid it...my shoulders hurt just reading this...
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I haven't done BTN militaries in several years.
When I did, I always waited until the very end of my workout, by which time all three heads were thoroughly stretched and warmed up.
I'm considering trying Bradford Presses to occasionally conclude my delt sessions.
My shoulders have been in great shape in terms of strength, stability, and feeling for some time now.
Strangely enough, I never hear of guys injuring themselves with Bradford's even though half the movement is done behind the head.
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Behind neck presses are good - they often get a bad rep. Not sure why anyone would want to do them standing though - seated is just as effective.
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its a great exercise.
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Only exercise where I could feel my delts and make em slightly bigger. I was pretty frustrated with the standard fare front press , but those btnbb babies saved me.
The depth of the exercise can go as low as the neck.
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People might like to try Pre-exhaust with the press behind the neck. Forces more muscle recruitment on the delts. Do a set of laterial raises quickly followed by the presses. 3 sets of 8-12 reps. Idea is not to use a lot of weight but more TUT.
PBN's gets a bad rap because some people hold the bar too wide out and lower it too far down the traps. Might try lowering to upper trap/neck area and press up again to about 3-4 inches before lockout. Again TUT.
Also have jerked pressed from behind the neck. Not for everyone but an excellent mass builder. Will need new shirts after a short while. Good Luck.
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People might like to try Pre-exhaust with the press behind the neck. Forces more muscle recruitment on the delts. Do a set of laterial raises quickly followed by the presses. 3 sets of 8-12 reps. Idea is not to use a lot of weight but more TUT.
PBN's gets a bad rap because some people hold the bar too wide out and lower it too far down the traps. Might try lowering to upper trap/neck area and press up again to about 3-4 inches before lockout. Again TUT.
Also have jerked pressed from behind the neck. Not for everyone but an excellent mass builder. Will need new shirts after a short while. Good Luck.
Like this?
I did them this way but without bumping the bar on my traps, just to the ear level.
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Actually that's more of a regular press than a jerk press. He's dropping the bar (which a lot of Russian lifters do), not with control. He's seems more of a power BBer which can be very affective (I prefer power BB'ing). I don't follow BB'ing so don't know much about him. With a jerk press you get more leg/hip drive. Probably 30-40lbs more on the lift and try to control the bar on the way down. Can get double positives when doing some controlled negatives.
I bounce the bar off my traps when doing these.At times I will rest the bar from a dead stop and than press. Just a reminder that this exercise is not meant for everyone. As is the bench press, which a lot of people are just not built for. Good Luck.
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Actually that's more of a regular press than a jerk press. He's dropping the bar (which a lot of Russian lifters do), not with control. He's seems more of a power BBer which can be very affective (I prefer power BB'ing). I don't follow BB'ing so don't know much about him. With a jerk press you get more leg/hip drive. Probably 30-40lbs more on the lift and try to control the bar on the way down. Can get double positives when doing some controlled negatives.
I bounce the bar off my traps when doing these.At times I will rest the bar from a dead stop and than press. Just a reminder that this exercise is not meant for everyone. As is the bench press, which a lot of people are just not built for. Good Luck.
Im gonna need it for sure. ;D
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I really like seated behind neck presses on the smith machine, slow and steady, favorite excersise for delts for me
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Its really a risk vs rewards kinda thing. It might give good results but youre prone to injury using them. Ive read enough articles suggesting the dangers of using them especially too heavy and for too long. I say stay away.
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Fuck you all!!! ;D
I did them again yesterday. ;D
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Fuck you all!!! ;D
I did them again yesterday. ;D
That's the spirit!!
LOL
:D :D
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That's the spirit!!
LOL
:D :D
;D
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Sit down and do them on a Smith machine and limit your R.O.M.
It's that simple.
Don't be posting up in a few months telling everyone how fucked your rotator cuff tendons are.
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Donīt do them. Dumbbells are much better. ;) ;)
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Donīt do them. Dumbbells are much better. ;) ;)
I alternate between bar and dumbells..
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Bradford Presses
End of thread!!
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Bradford Presses
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Wes,
Do you do Bradford's as your primary pressing movement, or do you perform them later in your routine after you've "warmed up" the area?
Also, what is your ROM like?
It seems that the most effective/preferred way to do the movement is to press up only as high as is needed to clear the top of the head.
Finally, what is your grip like?
Sorry for all the questions.
I've been considering trying these for some time now, and if I'm going to do them, I want to do them right!
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Bradford Presses
End of thread!!
LOL...
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i think there a very dangerous exersize... but to be fair if i could do a 'perfect' delt workout they would be in there..
im starting to question overhead pressing all together, i might ditch it and just blast out side and rear latterals as im finding im constantly aggravating my shoulder joints pressing
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i think there a very dangerous exersize... but to be fair if i could do a 'perfect' delt workout they would be in there..
im starting to question overhead pressing all together, i might ditch it and just blast out side and rear latterals as im finding im constantly aggravating my shoulder joints pressing
I am the same with my shoulders. I think my Delts get enough work from Bench press, Parallel bar Dips. Donīt forget the rear head is worked in Rowing.
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dont get me wrong, my shoulders definitely look better overall when im pressing overhead as well as the other movements... but its messing my shoulder joints up too much, i want to be still training and looking good in another 15 yrs time
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you have the right attitude..train smart. I met a lot of Geordies in the Army. Good lads( I am a Scot)
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Worst exercise you can do for the shoulder joints, the shoulder ball and socket are not made to go back and behind.....
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Have to disagree with LittleGuns. Watching a Big Ten gymnast meet the other night may prove the point that the shoulders can function, and function very well, in a posterior, lateral or anterior position/direction. With the usual time taken to stretch and otherwise warmup the body.
Another example may be Olympic weight lifters. Watching their holds in the overhead position is truly impressive. All seem to function very well.
The Bradford press is a TUT exercise that is not meant for everyone. A little caution would insure a injury free press, so go light at first if never have done it before. Higher reps with just the bar alone may be a good idea when starting to learn this exercise. The bar is pressed only a few inches above the head, nothing ever close to a full lockout. Some may have a potential problem with holding the grip too wide out, putting extra stress on the shoulder girdle. Good Luck.
Side Bar: Bradford press was used ofter by Big Jim Bradford, an exceptional Olympic lifter years ago.
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me thinks the bodybuilders who get injured from BN press probably got so because they lacked flexibility aka hadnt been stretching much. lots of rotator cuff work helps to keep you loose.
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Anybody still using the Cuban Press?
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Yes TbombZ is totally correct. Plus lowering the bar too far down behind the back, not needed at all. Stretch and warmup and never rush the weight. Using too much on the bar too soon before you can really handle it. Even in cheating exercises there is a art & style to it. Good Luck.
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Wes,
Do you do Bradford's as your primary pressing movement, or do you perform them later in your routine after you've "warmed up" the area?
Also, what is your ROM like?
It seems that the most effective/preferred way to do the movement is to press up only as high as is needed to clear the top of the head.
Finally, what is your grip like?
Sorry for all the questions.
I've been considering trying these for some time now, and if I'm going to do them, I want to do them right!
My workouts are always different rotating back and forth between exercises used on a weekly basis.
I use Bradfords a lot and I go slightly wider than shoulder width grip,go all the way down to the traps,pressup just clearing my head,then down to the clavicles and so on...........the non-locking motion keeps constant tension on the delts.............just clear the top of your head..........no higher.
I sometimes will use a pre-exhaust system where I will do laterals or laterals behind the back,then immediatelty go to the presses,but usually I perform them alone and do them first in my routine.
I start out light,and pyramid up as I increase weight each set,while dropping reps,then on the last set, I`ll drop down to a moderately heavy weight and just go for broke and pump out.
Great 4exercise which has helped to make my delts one of the few good bodyparts I have!!! :)
EDIT:
These days I do them seated with back braced as my back is a bit screwedup. :(
Good luck!
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My workouts are always different rotating back and forth between exercises used on a weekly basis.
I use Bradfords a lot and I go slightly wider than shoulder width grip,go all the way down to the traps,pressup just clearing my head,then down to the clavicles and so on...........the non-locking motion keeps constant tension on the delts.............just clear the top of your head..........no higher.
I sometimes will use a pre-exhaust system where I will do laterals or laterals behind the back,then immediatelty go to the presses,but usually I perform them alone and do them first in my routine.
I start out light,and pyramid up as I increase weight each set,while dropping reps,then on the last set, I`ll drop down to a moderately heavy weight and just go for broke and pump out.
Great 4exercise which has helped to make my delts one of the few good bodyparts I have!!! :)
EDIT:
These days I do them seated with back braced as my back is a bit screwedup. :(
Good luck!
Thank you very much.
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I did them yesterday, standing, free with a barbell.
Today im SORE in my delts, not that my delts are lacking but DAMN im going to do them every single workout, as i felt it activated all three heads.
Superior movement, i banged my head at the wall after this... for not doing this all these years...
Of course done right to avoid injury. lower the bar to the ear level and stop couple inches before locking out. Controlled reps, medium weights. no need to go heavy
Discuss.
I do them all the time. They are one of the cornerstones of my chest/choulder routine. I go light, in the 12 rep range to avoid injury.
Do them once a week and get cannon ball delts, just like "Big" BFRS.