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While everyone was worrying about Egypt...Look at what happened in america
Patriot Act Renewed Today
Thursday, February 10, 2011 20:32:53
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clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll029.xml
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 29
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)
H RES 79 YEA-AND-NAY 10-Feb-2011 3:11 PM
QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Resolution
BILL TITLE: Providing for consideration of H.R. 514, to extend expiring provisions of the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 and Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004
Yeas Nays PRES NV
Republican 233 4 3
Democratic 15 172 6
Independent
TOTALS 248 176 9
---- YEAS 248 ---
Ackerman
Adams
Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Altmire
Amash
Austria
Bachmann
Bachus
Barletta
Bartlett
Barton (TX)
Bass (NH)
Benishek
Berg
Biggert
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Black
Blackburn
Bonner
Bono Mack
Boren
Boswell
Boustany
Brady (TX)
Brooks
Broun (GA)
Buchanan
Bucshon
Buerkle
Burgess
Burton (IN)
Calvert
Camp
Campbell
Canseco
Cantor
Capito
Carter
Cassidy
Chabot
Chaffetz
Chandler
Coble
Coffman (CO)
Cole
Conaway
Cooper
Costa
Cravaack
Crawford
Crenshaw
Culberson
Davis (KY)
Denham
Dent
DesJarlais
Diaz-Balart
Dold
Dreier
Duffy
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Ellmers
Emerson
Farenthold
Fincher
Fitzpatrick
Flake
Fleischmann
Fleming
Flores
Forbes
Fortenberry
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Gardner Garrett
Gerlach
Gibbs
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Goodlatte
Gosar
Gowdy
Granger
Graves (GA)
Graves (MO)
Griffin (AR)
Griffith (VA)
Grimm
Guinta
Guthrie
Hall
Hanna
Harper
Harris
Hartzler
Hastings (WA)
Hayworth
Heck
Heller
Hensarling
Herger
Herrera Beutler
Huelskamp
Huizenga (MI)
Hultgren
Hunter
Hurt
Issa
Jenkins
Johnson (IL)
Johnson (OH)
Johnson, Sam
Jones
Jordan
Kelly
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kinzinger (IL)
Kissell
Kline
Lamborn
Lance
Landry
Lankford
Latham
LaTourette
Latta
Lewis (CA)
LoBiondo
Long
Lucas
Luetkemeyer
Lummis
Lungren, Daniel E.
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Marino
McCarthy (CA)
McCarthy (NY)
McCaul
McCotter
McHenry
McIntyre
McKeon
McKinley
McMorris Rodgers
Meehan
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Mulvaney
Murphy (PA)
Myrick
Neugebauer Noem
Nugent
Nunes
Nunnelee
Olson
Palazzo
Paulsen
Pearce
Pence
Peters
Peterson
Petri
Pitts
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Posey
Price (GA)
Quayle
Reed
Rehberg
Reichert
Renacci
Ribble
Rigell
Rivera
Roby
Roe (TN)
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Rokita
Rooney
Ros-Lehtinen
Roskam
Ross (AR)
Ross (FL)
Royce
Runyan
Ryan (WI)
Scalise
Schilling
Schmidt
Schock
Schweikert
Scott (SC)
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Shimkus
Simpson
Smith (NE)
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Southerland
Stearns
Stivers
Stutzman
Sullivan
Terry
Thompson (PA)
Thornberry
Tiberi
Tipton
Turner
Upton
Walberg
Walden
Walsh (IL)
Webster
West
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wilson (SC)
Wittman
Wolf
Womack
Woodall
Yoder
Young (AK)
Young (FL)
Young (IN)
---- NAYS 176 ---
Andrews
Baca
Baldwin
Barrow
Bass (CA)
Berkley
Berman
Blumenauer
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown (FL)
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carson (IN)
Castor (FL)
Chu
Cicilline
Clarke (MI)
Clarke (NY)
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Costello
Courtney
Critz
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
DeLauro
Deutch
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Donnelly (IN)
Doyle
Edwards
Ellison
Engel
Eshoo
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Gibson
Gonzalez
Green, Al
Green, Gene Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hanabusa
Hastings (FL)
Heinrich
Higgins
Himes
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kaptur
Keating
Kildee
Kind
Kucinich
Labrador
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Luján
Lynch
Maloney
Markey
Matheson
Matsui
McClintock
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McNerney
Meeks
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moore
Moran
Murphy (CT)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Olver
Owens
Pallone Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Pingree (ME)
Polis
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Richardson
Richmond
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Serrano
Sewell
Sherman
Shuler
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Speier
Stark
Sutton
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Tonko
Towns
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walz (MN)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Woolsey
Wu
Yarmuth
---- NOT VOTING 9 ---
Becerra
Bilbray
Garamendi Giffords
Harman
Lewis (GA) Platts
Ryan (OH)
Shuster
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Disgusting..
"Small government", "no police state", "civil liberties"...
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Pence and Bachmann supported it, hmmmmmmmmm
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Pence and Bachmann supported it, hmmmmmmmmm
Did Bachmann??
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And the problem is?
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And the problem is?
No problem...
Just put these handcuffs on and report to your nearest FEMA center to be retina scanned, photographed, microchipped, DNA tested, drug tested, psychologically analyzed, given your ration of anti depressants and you are on your way to your imagined "freedom"
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And the problem is?
Obvious troll is obvious.
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No problem...
Just put these handcuffs on and report to your nearest FEMA center to be retina scanned, photographed, microchipped, DNA tested, drug tested, psychologically analyzed, given your ration of anti depressants and you are on your way to your imagined "freedom"
lol. This is good comedy. :)
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Obvious troll is obvious.
Translation: You have no clue.
I have asked a number of times what specific part of the Patriot Act people have a problem with, AND how it has affected you (or anyone), and have yet to get a coherent response.
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While nobody was watching.... fuckin priceless.
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Translation: You have no clue.
I have asked a number of times what specific part of the Patriot Act people have a problem with, AND how it has affected you (or anyone), and have yet to get a coherent response.
could be you are asking the wrong demographic.
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could be you are asking the wrong demographic.
Could be, although I'm asking the people who are complaining about the Act.
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Translation: You have no clue.
I have asked a number of times what specific part of the Patriot Act people have a problem with, AND how it has affected you (or anyone), and have yet to get a coherent response.
REALLY?
Try asking any airline passenger
Try asking any political protester
Try asking someone who has been vocal about the Patriot Act and its violations on Constitutional Rights
Try going onto college campuses while they rally against injustices
Try asking those who speak out against america and its attacks on innocent nations
Try watching your news channels and see how the police treat citizens in america now
YOU ARE WITHOUT RIGHTS NOW THANKS TO THE PATRIOT ACT...
Not to worry though when the violations reach your doorstep you will see... sadly it will be too late to do any thing about it at that point.
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REALLY?
Try asking any airline passenger
Try asking any political protester
Try asking someone who has been vocal about the Patriot Act and its violations on Constitutional Rights
Try going onto college campuses while they rally against injustices
Try asking those who speak out against america and its attacks on innocent nations
Try watching your news channels and see how the police treat citizens in america now
YOU ARE WITHOUT RIGHTS NOW THANKS TO THE PATRIOT ACT...
Not to worry though when the violations reach your doorstep you will see... sadly it will be too late to do any thing about it at that point.
That's what most people do not get or at least think about. Sure, it may not affect them personally now but there will be a time when it does. Only then does it become unconstitutional to those individuals but by then no one will give a shit because we will all be under house arrest...or worse..lol.
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REALLY?
Try asking any airline passenger
Try asking any political protester
Try asking someone who has been vocal about the Patriot Act and its violations on Constitutional Rights
Try going onto college campuses while they rally against injustices
Try asking those who speak out against america and its attacks on innocent nations
Try watching your news channels and see how the police treat citizens in america now
YOU ARE WITHOUT RIGHTS NOW THANKS TO THE PATRIOT ACT...
Not to worry though when the violations reach your doorstep you will see... sadly it will be too late to do any thing about it at that point.
LOL ok im not saying i support the patriot act but none of that shit has anything to do with the patriot act
give me something specific that has taken place since the passing of the patriot act that you think wouldnt have taken place if it had not been passed.
airport security would be the same
what political protestors have been stopped due to the patriot act
who bitching about the patriot act has been suppressed? nobody here thats for sure
what incidents on college campuses are you referring to? there have been plenty of protests on my college campuses...i hope youre not referring to "dont taze me bro"
again whos protests have been suppressed
LOL b/c we didnt have shady cops before the patriot act...LMFAO
again what specific incidents do you think would not have happend without the patriot act
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LOL ok im not saying i support the patriot act but none of that shit has anything to do with the patriot act
give me something specific that has taken place since the passing of the patriot act that you think wouldnt have taken place if it had not been passed.
airport security would be the same
what political protestors have been stopped due to the patriot act
who bitching about the patriot act has been suppressed? nobody here thats for sure
what incidents on college campuses are you referring to? there have been plenty of protests on my college campuses...i hope youre not referring to "dont taze me bro"
again whos protests have been suppressed
LOL b/c we didnt have shady cops before the patriot act...LMFAO
again what specific incidents do you think would not have happend without the patriot act
Don't hold your breath.
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LOL ok im not saying i support the patriot act but none of that shit has anything to do with the patriot act
give me something specific that has taken place since the passing of the patriot act that you think wouldnt have taken place if it had not been passed.
airport security would be the same
what political protestors have been stopped due to the patriot act
who bitching about the patriot act has been suppressed? nobody here thats for sure
what incidents on college campuses are you referring to? there have been plenty of protests on my college campuses...i hope youre not referring to "dont taze me bro"
again whos protests have been suppressed
LOL b/c we didnt have shady cops before the patriot act...LMFAO
again what specific incidents do you think would not have happend without the patriot act
Dude, I'm sorry but they do use it in ways it was never intended for. They've used it to go after totally legal things and all sorts of other shit you didn't think the patriot act was intended for and they didn't waste time doing it either, I have one confirmed example done within months of it first passing dealing with paypal and what they were asked to do as part of a deal. They had gone after paypal with the patriot act not long after it was passed and what they were asked to do and not talk about had absolutely nothing to do with the patriot act or fighting terrorism. And it's only going to get worse. Maybe the OP is off the mark but there is other reasons why this is garbage.
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They don't like the whole "uses brain to think" part.
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Don't hold your breath.
You and Tommy should hold your breaths until GENE POOL ELIMINATION sets in.
Good to know neither of you leave your homes, has any social interaction other than this board, are clueless about what is going on in your nation and worst yet... try to argue against reality. I don't remember which one of the two of you before tried to play this silly game on civil rights before when the issue of TSA searches were brought up. I talked on the CT board about the violation of your rights and how the Patriot Act allowed this and one of you said 'you didn't see anything wrong with the searches.... how you would go commando through the scanning machines as well' and then you immediately went over to the Political Board and said the absolute opposite. Hypocritical?
In the words of Keith Olberman you two are the WORST and WORSER on the board.
Here are just a few violation you see everyday and PRETEND they are not happening..I guess because it is not happening to YOU
http://www.scn.org/ccapa/pa-vs-const.html
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Dude, I'm sorry but they do use it in ways it was never intended for. They've used it to go after totally legal things and all sorts of other shit you didn't think the patriot act was intended for and they didn't waste time doing it either, I have one confirmed example done within months of it first passing dealing with paypal and what they were asked to do as part of a deal. They had gone after paypal with the patriot act not long after it was passed and what they were asked to do and not talk about had absolutely nothing to do with the patriot act or fighting terrorism. And it's only going to get worse. Maybe the OP is off the mark but there is other reasons why this is garbage.
I have no doubt that they probably do which is why i was against the patriot act to begin with but i need specifics...please link your case
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You and Tommy should hold your breaths until GENE POOL ELIMINATION sets in.
Good to know neither of you leave your homes, has any social interaction other than this board, are clueless about what is going on in your nation and worst yet... try to argue against reality. I don't remember which one of the two of you before tried to play this silly game on civil rights before when the issue of TSA searches were brought up. I talked on the CT board about the violation of your rights and how the Patriot Act allowed this and one of you said 'you didn't see anything wrong with the searches.... how you would go commando through the scanning machines as well' and then you immediately went over to the Political Board and said the absolute opposite. Hypocritical?
In the words of Keith Olberman you two are the WORST and WORSER on the board.
Here are just a few violation you see everyday and PRETEND they are not happening..I guess because it is not happening to YOU
http://www.scn.org/ccapa/pa-vs-const.html
Have no idea what you're talking about. I've never had any discussions (that I can remember) on the CT board.
I travel quite a bit, interact with a lot of people, both in the private sector and in government, and I have to say you are full of crap.
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You and Tommy should hold your breaths until GENE POOL ELIMINATION sets in.
Good to know neither of you leave your homes, has any social interaction other than this board, are clueless about what is going on in your nation and worst yet... try to argue against reality. I don't remember which one of the two of you before tried to play this silly game on civil rights before when the issue of TSA searches were brought up. I talked on the CT board about the violation of your rights and how the Patriot Act allowed this and one of you said 'you didn't see anything wrong with the searches.... how you would go commando through the scanning machines as well' and then you immediately went over to the Political Board and said the absolute opposite. Hypocritical?
In the words of Keith Olberman you two are the WORST and WORSER on the board.
Here are just a few violation you see everyday and PRETEND they are not happening..I guess because it is not happening to YOU
http://www.scn.org/ccapa/pa-vs-const.html
LOL so not one, not one single example?
all you have are could lead to this but no examples
THOUGHT SO!!!
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I have no doubt that they probably do which is why i was against the patriot act to begin with but i need specifics...please link your case
The case I know about was via a personal communication from someone who worked at the company so I can't link to an article. The only thing I've read online is half of the story. But there seems to be quite a few stories if you search "patriot act misuse or abuse." The story I know about happened within months of it passing so I can only imagine they have gone all over the place since then.
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WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
THE PATRIOT ACT WAS NOT RENEWED.
SAMSON, you stupid fucking moronic idiot. What passed is a simple resolution (H RES 79).
The resolution sets the rules for considering the extension of the act.
Never, ever believe anything a retard like SAMSON says. EVER!
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WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
THE PATRIOT ACT WAS NOT RENEWED.
SAMSON, you stupid fucking moronic idiot. What passed is a simple resolution (H RES 79).
The resolution sets the rules for considering the extension of the act.
Never, ever believe anything a retard like SAMSON says. EVER!
DOH! lol . . . .
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WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
THE PATRIOT ACT WAS NOT RENEWED.
SAMSON, you stupid fucking moronic idiot. What passed is a simple resolution (H RES 79).
The resolution sets the rules for considering the extension of the act.
Never, ever believe anything a retard like SAMSON says. EVER!
Thanks skip... Reminder to self: Never get out of the habbit of doublechecking anything Samsom posts lol ;D
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DOH! lol . . . .
IMO, chances are good they they will extend it, or perhaps certain provisions of it. But that hasn't happened yet.
Right now we just have a CT monkey spitting off nonsense that he knows nothing about.
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IMO, chances are good they they will extend it, or perhaps certain provisions of it. But that hasn't happened yet.
Right now we just have a CT monkey spitting off nonsense that he knows nothing about.
They will probably extend it.
I should have know better about Samson.
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The case I know about was via a personal communication from someone who worked at the company so I can't link to an article. The only thing I've read online is half of the story. But there seems to be quite a few stories if you search "patriot act misuse or abuse." The story I know about happened within months of it passing so I can only imagine they have gone all over the place since then.
Are you referring to an NSL abuse? I think the OIG found some and others they couldn't evaluate were considered questionable. Some of the abuses were self reported by the FBI.
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WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
THE PATRIOT ACT WAS NOT RENEWED.
SAMSON, you stupid fucking moronic idiot. What passed is a simple resolution (H RES 79).
The resolution sets the rules for considering the extension of the act.
Never, ever believe anything a retard like SAMSON says. EVER!
Hello you retarded inbred bastard...The parts of the Patriot Act that were about to EXPIRE were renewed. Why would the rest of the Patriot Act be renewed if it has not (or about to) expired????? When the rest of the Patriot Act comes to its expiration it will be RENEWED ALSO...Maybe you can pass that on to the retarded moderator that agreed with you without thinking as well.
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Hello you retarded inbred bastard...The parts of the Patriot Act that were about to EXPIRE were renewed. Why would the rest of the Patriot Act be renewed if it has not (or about to) expired????? When the rest of the Patriot Act comes to its expiration it will be RENEWED ALSO...Maybe you can pass that on to the retarded moderator that agreed with you without thinking as well.
Nothing was extended SAMSON. That's why you can't post any link to any article demonstrating that it was.
It's "H Res"
Since you're too fucking stupid to know what that is:
Simple Resolutions
A matter concerning the rules, the operation, or the opinion of either House alone is initiated by a simple resolution. A resolution affecting the House of Representatives is designated ''H. Res.'' followed by its number, while a Senate resolution is designated ''S. Res.'' together with its number. Simple resolutions are considered only by the body in which they were introduced. Upon adoption, simple resolutions are attested to by the Clerk of the House of Representatives or the Secretary of the Senate and are published in the Congressional Record.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/lawsmade.bysec/formsofaction.html#simple
What you posted and what passed is the rules for consideration for H.R. 514 BECAUSE IT FAILED TO PASS.
In other words, H.R. 514 is still not really dead.
You don't have a fucking clue how the House and Senate works.
By all means, post a legit article showing that the Patriot Act or parts of it were renewed.
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How embarrassing. The propaganda machine makes a fool out of herself again. Probably won't see its face in this thread again. Nice work, Skip.
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I think we can reasonably put together what happened. She googled Patriot Act, clicked on the link about the vote, didn't understand what she was reading (no surprise there), and decided to run with it.
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I think we can reasonably put together what happened. She googled Patriot Act, clicked on the link about the vote, didn't understand what she was reading (no surprise there), and decided to run with it.
Seems to be her modus operandi for 99.99% of the threads she posts on here.
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Seems to be her modus operandi for 99.99% of the threads she posts on here.
:D
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Nothing was extended SAMSON. That's why you can't post any link to any article demonstrating that it was.
It's "H Res"
Since you're too fucking stupid to know what that is:
Simple Resolutions
A matter concerning the rules, the operation, or the opinion of either House alone is initiated by a simple resolution. A resolution affecting the House of Representatives is designated ''H. Res.'' followed by its number, while a Senate resolution is designated ''S. Res.'' together with its number. Simple resolutions are considered only by the body in which they were introduced. Upon adoption, simple resolutions are attested to by the Clerk of the House of Representatives or the Secretary of the Senate and are published in the Congressional Record.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/lawsmade.bysec/formsofaction.html#simple
What you posted and what passed is the rules for consideration for H.R. 514 BECAUSE IT FAILED TO PASS.
In other words, H.R. 514 is still not really dead.
You don't have a fucking clue how the House and Senate works.
By all means, post a legit article showing that the Patriot Act or parts of it were renewed.
Oh My SKIP You Sucker, you Sucker, You sucker
You fall for the same games your government plays EVERY year in regards to this PATRIOT ACT and it renewal or additional powers. Every year since this document became the LAW of america making your constitution MOOT, it in its entirety or in parts has gone through stages of renewals...during these renewal times just as now, there are delays, suspensions, rumblings, disagreements etc etc but when it is time to renew...EVERYONE COMES TO AGREEMENT. Right now the same actions are going on that have gone on since 2001: false failures to agree. You can see from the links I provided below, that in every case the delays were in order to add additional encroachments to the document while at the same time, certain groups protest the necessity of the document at all. Note that the WHITEHOUSE/PRESIDENT has said it wants the Patriot Act not only renewed, not just renewed to 2013, BUT MADE PERMANENT!!!!!! Right now while your branches of government are pretending to be in disagreement, they are also working out additional provisions (as though the violations aren't enough already) to further your constitutional violations. I will guarantee you that by the actual expiration dates of these parts of the Patriot Act that there will be a renewal of them.... with even more powers attained.
BTW I saw this just a few minutes ago..Customs Agents in San Diego have admitted to nuclear bombs being smuggled in to the that area. For the sake of all of you americans you better hope nothing becomes of this and that no DOMESTIC ATTACK occurs, because you will have MARTIAL LAW upon you so fast your heads will spin. An EVENT like this would add such sweeping powers to the PATRIOT ACT that you will be lucky if you can pee in your own toilet without being arrested and questioned about it.
http://theintelhub.com/2011/02/12/port-officer-says-nukes-have-been-found-in-or-near-san-diego/
Below are the documents about the past PATRIOT ACT RENEWALS and their pretended delays and setbacks... notice that they are ALWAYS renewed and when the renewals take to long a terroristic event like show bombers, underwear bombers, or other EVENT happens to speed the process along.
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2005/12/patriot-act-renewal-safety-safeguards.php
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/08/patriot-act-fails-house-floor/
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/02/patriot-act-notextended/
http://articles.cnn.com/2006-03-07/politics/patriot.act_1_patriot-act-renewal-controversial-provisions?_s=PM:POLITICS
http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/09/15/justice-department-supports-renewal-of-patriot-act-provisions/
http://articles.cnn.com/2005-07-21/politics/patriot.act_1_patriot-act-gop-leaders-renewal?_s=PM:POLITICS
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20050405&slug=patriot05
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so now its not that it got renewed but that its going to get renewed?
stay on the retard board... ;)
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so now its not that it got renewed but that its going to get renewed?
stay on the retard board... ;)
NO, its you don't know your government and its games, hence the article links. You are still living under the power of the PATRIOT ACT as none of its parts has expired yet... still a few weeks left before then. In the meantime the "game playing" ensues of supposedly trying to "workout" some differences before D Day arrives. You will NEVER free yourselves of the PATRIOTS grip as it will only get tighter with time.
BTW you have no need to worry about the PATRIOT ACT and its effect on humans/citizens as you are neither.
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LOL so the title of the article is false then?
it hasnt been renewed?
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LOL so the title of the article is false then?
it hasnt been renewed?
bump for an answer jagson?
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Samson should be permanently banned to the CT board for this type of propaganda.
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But but but . . . Samson said it was already extended. ???
House Tackles Patriot Act Vote … Again
by Shannon Bream | February 14, 2011
On Monday, House Republicans will make a second run at passing a 10 month extension of the Patriot Act. Last week, supporters tried to fast-track the extension under a suspension vote - which requires little to no debate, but a two-thirds majority to pass. More than two dozen Republicans voted no, leaving the leadership with an embarrassing loss.
Rep. Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., the Majority Whip, blames the 36 Democrats who had previously voted for the Act but voted no last week.
McCarthy argues that the measures in question simply provide the same tools that police officers "use to track the mob," and that Democrats are "playing politics with America's security."
Following the loss, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, said, "It's a victory to block the reauthorization."
Kucinich says opponents of the Act are focusing on what they have in common. "There was a coalition of Democrats and some Tea Party members who have come together on this issue of civil liberties and privacy for Americans," according to Kucinich. He believes the initial failure to fast-track reauthorization of the Patriot Act will lead to a more thorough debate about its flaws.
Republicans say they welcome the discussion, which is slated to begin on the House floor around 5 p.m. Monday.
GOP leaders admit the initial Act was passed quickly, and needs to be re-evaluated after roughly a decade in existence.
Monday's vote, expected sometime after 6:30 p.m., will require only a simple majority. McCarthy says he'll be watching to see how his colleagues across the aisle handle the debate, and has just one question, "Are we going to be serious with America's security and protecting all Americans?"
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/02/14/house-tackles-patriot-act-vote-again
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so now its not that it got renewed but that its going to get renewed?
stay on the retard board... ;)
Yeah, that's basically what she's saying. And BB and I agreed it probably will be renewed. I haven't checked the results for tonight, but even if the House passes it, it will still have to go to Senate next.
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HAHHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH... To all you cocksuckingbastards. I present to you what your ignorant american asses refuse to accept about your government and that is it WILL DO WHAT THE HELL EVER IT WANTS TO DO...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/14/house-representatives-votes-extend-patriot-act/
2011-02-15 Renewed Patriot Act provisions and forthcoming extensions
Submitted by knowledgeempire on Tue, 02/15/2011 - 04:41
Renewed Items
On February 14, the Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives had an opportunity to reject or approve an extension of governmental authority to use surveillance methods deemed permissible under the current Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Protection Act (pdf) and the USA Patriot Act, whose stated goal is "to deter and punish terrorist acts in the United States and around the world, to enhance law enforcement investigatory tools, and other purposes," including:
To strengthen U.S. measures to prevent, detect and prosecute international money laundering and financing of terrorism;
To subject to special scrutiny foreign jurisdictions, foreign financial institutions and classes of international transactions or types of accounts that are susceptible to criminal abuse;
To require all appropriate elements of the financial services industry to report potential money laundering;
To strengthen measures to prevent use of the U.S. financial system for personal gain by corrupt foreign officials and facilitate repatriation of stolen assets to the citizens of countries to whom such assets belong.
The nine-month renewal of three Patriot Act provisions cruised to approval today, with a vote of 275 to 144. There were 27 Republican no votes and 65 Democratic yes votes for the extension. The full voting breakdown can be seen here.
Here are the three renewed items from the original Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments, an html copy of which can be found here:
Section 6001(a) of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Protection Act (IRTPA), also known as the “lone wolf” provision, which simplifies the evidentiary showing needed to obtain a FISA court order to target non-U.S. persons who engage in international terrorism or activities in preparation therefor, specifically by authorizing such orders in the absence of a proven link between a targeted individual and a foreign power;
Section 206 of the USA PATRIOT Act, which permits multipoint, or “roving,” wiretaps—i.e., wiretaps which may follow a target even when he or she changes phones—by adding flexibility to the manner in which the subject of a FISA court order is specified; and
Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act, which broadens the types of records and other tangible things that can be made accessible to the government under FISA.
As Research fellow Julian Sanches points out in an excellent analysis of these provisions, the "lone wolf" authority allows for the monitoring of non- U.S. citizens in the U.S. "who are suspected of involvement in terrorist activities ... under the broad powers afforded by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), even if they are not connected to any overseas terror group or other 'foreign power.'"
It was passed after FBI claimed the absence of “lone wolf” authority stymied efforts to monitor the infamous “20th 9/11 Hijacker”--but a bipartisan Senate report found that this failure was actually the result of a series of gross errors by the FBI, not any gap in government surveillance powers.
Lone Wolf also blurs the traditional distinction between foreign intelligence and investigations involving domestic national security.
The way the statute is written, Lone Wolf authority is only available in circumstances where investigators would already be able to obtain a criminal terrorism wiretap. Given of the sweeping nature of FISA surveillance, that more narrow criminal surveillance authority should be employed when the special needs imposed by the involvement of a “foreign power” are not present.
Roving wiretap authority, the second item, allows wiretapping court orders to apply to multiple phone lines, in the event that a suspect is using more than one. Traditional wiretap authority in criminal cases only applied to one phone line. This is significant because the traditional requirement for identifying uniquely named targets does not allow for “John Doe” wiretap warrants "that name neither a person nor a specific 'place' or facility--disturbingly similar to the 'general warrants' the Founders were concerned to prohibit when they crafted the Fourth Amendment."
The third item, Section 215, is also troubling in that it grants the FISA court the power to order the production of both business records and any other “tangible thing” on the basis of "reasonable grounds" and a belief that the records are in some sense "relevant" to an investigation. As it stands, there is no "probable cause" requirement and there is no requirement of any connection to terrorism at all.
These concerns may explain why the extension for the provisions failed to pass last week, when it fell 7 votes short of approval after being brought to the floor under "fast-track rules" that require a two-thirds vote--a process usually reserved for less controversial proposals. As the Washington Post and others had predicted after the failed first attempt, however, the extension was very unlikely to be rejected under "normal rules" the second time around.
Congressman Justin Amash, who voted against the extension, posted the following objection on Facebook:
The U.S. House just debated and voted on H.R. 514, To Extend Expiring Provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act and Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act. This renewal allows the government to obtain a broad production order to confiscate your business records without disclosing to you the purposes of the investigation while prohibiting you from discussing it with anyone. It failed 277-148 (needed 2/3 majority).
Congressman Amash also expressed his concerns in an e-mailed statement last week:
“Like many Republicans and Democrats concerned with protecting civil liberties, I have serious reservations about the USA PATRIOT Act provisions up for renewal. The business records provision allows the government to order the production of ‘any tangible things’ — e-mails, phone logs, and even library records. Worse still, the company turning over the records to the government is forbidden from telling the records’ owner of the order. Likewise, the Act’s roving wiretap provision goes far beyond a similar provision in criminal law. It may allow the government continuously to monitor pay phones or public computers, even when a suspect is not using the devices. The breadth of the provisions raises serious Fourth Amendment concerns in my mind, and I cannot support them as currently written.”
Further Possible Extensions and Revisions Coming in February
The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has asked U.S. citizens to take action toward a reform of the Patriot Act--a reform that was promised by Congress itself. Interestingly, when Congress extended the Patriot Act in February 2010, the decision was defended with the justification that Congress needed more time "to fully consider a range of PATRIOT reform proposals." However, the Patriot Act extension bill does not contain any reform aimed at promoting human rights.
Conversely, at the end of this month, Senate Democrats and Republicans will decide on an approach to extend the legal authority articulated in the Patriot Act. Three bills have been introduced to approach the issue.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman and Senator Patrick Leahy's Bill is the most modest of the three and proposes extending three surveillance authorities until the end of 2013; it also promises some overseeing of the U.S. government's surveillance activities.
New Judiciary ranking member Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has introduced a bill to extend the Patriot Act's authorities permanently. Both Grassley and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said that temporary extensions and Leahy's promise of "oversight" would not be beneficial to U.S. intelligence: "The threat of terrorism isn't going away so we must provide our agents with the tools they need to get the job done," Grassley said.
"Given that terrorist threats, including those from self-radicalized individuals, continue to evolve, we must ensure that our law enforcement agents are not burdened with new restrictions on existing authorities."
Senator Dianne Feinstein of California seeks to extend the bill through to 2013 without the oversights proposed by Grassley.
http://wlcentral.org/node/1297