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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: George Whorewell on February 12, 2011, 08:57:37 PM
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He's my favorite fighter of all time so it hurts to admit it-- Fedor should retire.
He doesn't have the same explosiveness, he can't control guys that outweigh him by 50lbs that have skills and he's past his prime.
To me, he's still the greatest-- as long as he hangs it up before he embarasses himself and goes on a 9 fight losing streak ala Chuck Lidell.
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He's my favorite fighter of all time so it hurts to admit it-- Fedor should retire.
He doesn't have the same explosiveness, he can't control guys that outweigh him by 50lbs that have skills and he's past his prime.
To me, he's still the greatest-- as long as he hangs it up before he embarasses himself and goes on a 9 fight losing streak ala Chuck Lidell.
Agree 100%. I don't dislike Fedor, I just disliked the people that used to claim he was #1 when in reality Fedor had a padded record.
He is a legend for sure. He shouldn't spoil that and continue fighting.
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Agree 100%. I don't dislike Fedor, I just disliked the people that used to claim he was #1 when in reality Fedor had a padded record.
He is a legend for sure. He shouldn't spoil that and continue fighting.
He'll go down as the greatest MMA fighter of all time. You and your UFC fanboy brigade can thump your chest until it bleeds and that still won't change. :-*
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He'll go down as the greatest MMA fighter of all time. You and your UFC fanboy brigade can thump your chest until it bleeds and that still won't change. :-*
Fedor will never be considered the best ever. He was the best of an era, but with many freakshow fights and mismatches in an org with known fixed and mafia ties, he will always have a questionable ranking. But hey....he was fun to watch in his prime.
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He'll go down as the greatest MMA fighter of all time. You and your UFC fanboy brigade can thump your chest until it bleeds and that still won't change. :-*
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Fedor is the GOAT
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I agree that his handlers wasted the last few years by keeping him so inactive and by doing some shady negotiating, but in the end, once the bell rang he was there to fight, and was never reduced to running away or going fetal. He accomplished many great things as a soft and undersized HW, definite legend in an era that the word "legend" is way overused.
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I agree that his handlers wasted the last few years by keeping him so inactive and by doing some shady negotiating, but in the end, once the bell rang he was there to fight, and was never reduced to throwing running away or going fetal. He accomplished many great things as a soft and undersized HW, definite legend in an era that the word "legend" is way overused.
I agree & well said. Fedor is a humble man and you can't deny what he accomplished.
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He just retired. Im proud of him-- but sad as fuck. It takes guts to acknowledge when you don't have it anymore. All good things come to an end.
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He'll go down as the greatest MMA fighter of all time. You and your UFC fanboy brigade can thump your chest until it bleeds and that still won't change. :-*
I bet you would floss with Fedor's pubes given the chance. Your nuthuggery is swelling to mass proportions.
If Fedor would have fought in the UFC and still KO'd fighters the way he did in Strike etc, then i'd say yes, greatest ever. But in agreeing with Weightpusher, his record is very much padded and that is a fact that only a feeble argument can sustain.
Someone like a Randy Couture gets my vote as greatest. Why? Because he's been a champ at different bodyweights. He's KO'd fighters. Submitted fighers. Found a way to beat fighters. He taken on guys twice his size and won. And he's still doing it. ANd he is a good role model...unlike mute Fedor. Someone like Couture is the face of this sport, not Fedor.
A guy's record is huge when determining who is "greatest"..but imo it isn't the only thing to be considered.
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I bet you would floss with Fedor's pubes given the chance. Your nuthuggery is swelling to mass proportions.
If Fedor would have fought in the UFC and still KO'd fighters the way he did in Strike etc, then i'd say yes, greatest ever. But in agreeing with Weightpusher, his record is very much padded and that is a fact that only a feeble argument can sustain.
Someone like a Randy Couture gets my vote as greatest. Why? Because he's been a champ at different bodyweights. He's KO'd fighters. Submitted fighers. Found a way to beat fighters. He taken on guys twice his size and won. And he's still doing it. ANd he is a good role model...unlike mute Fedor. Someone like Couture is the face of this sport, not Fedor.
A guy's record is huge when determining who is "greatest"..but imo it isn't the only thing to be considered.
What Fedor accomplished in PRIDE far outweights anything that anyone has ever accomplished in the UFC. The two most emblematic UFC fighters ever, Chuck Liddel and Frank Shamrock, don't come even close to Fedor's record. The two currently best, Anderson and GSP, also don't come close. Anderson fights mostly cans because there is no talent in his division, and GSP has had many questionable wins in the past and usually wins via decisions unlike Fedor who pretty much always finished his fights - except for Nogueira.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I bet you would floss with Fedor's pubes given the chance. Your nuthuggery is swelling to mass proportions.
If Fedor would have fought in the UFC and still KO'd fighters the way he did in Strike etc, then i'd say yes, greatest ever. But in agreeing with Weightpusher, his record is very much padded and that is a fact that only a feeble argument can sustain.
Someone like a Randy Couture gets my vote as greatest. Why? Because he's been a champ at different bodyweights. He's KO'd fighters. Submitted fighers. Found a way to beat fighters. He taken on guys twice his size and won. And he's still doing it. ANd he is a good role model...unlike mute Fedor. Someone like Couture is the face of this sport, not Fedor.
A guy's record is huge when determining who is "greatest"..but imo it isn't the only thing to be considered.
You seriously know nothing about MMA or are just a fucking moron in general if you think Randy Couture is on the same planet as Fedor fighting wise. If someone asked Randy who the greatest of all time was, he would say Fedor. Your comments about Randy being a better role model are also idiotic. Thankfully you and MS are the only ones who post here that are clueless enough to believe such nonsense as the two of you represent a cross section of American MMA fans that are braindead and ignorant about everything non-UFC related. I'd also bet money that the closest you've ever come personally to getting in a fight your entire life was the time you snuck into a men's apprel store after hours so you could sniff the worn "Tap Out" boxer shorts that were left inside the fitting rooms.
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Word this AM from a weekly mma show I listen to M-1..etc said he not retiring. Apparently they would have fought silva even if the GP wasn't done. He was fedor next fight. They mention fedor may indeed want to shut it down, but not sure how much control M-1 has over him (making him continue to fight basically)
They also mention overeem camp did not like werdum fight off top because it seemed M-1 and fedor camp got to hand pick their guy and his camp wasn't allowed that.
Just some second hand stuff passing along from the show.
As far as fedor...saw no explosiveness in his hips at all. He's hip tossed guys bigger than silva (who was that big black mofo he ran over in pride? zulu or some sh*t) ....I've seen him way more aggressive than last night. I think he wants to shut it down, but M-1 might have a lock on him mafia style.
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I strongly disagree in regards to Randy, there are numerous HW fighters that surpass his ability when you compare relative primes and even LHW's. His record is not very good regardless pf the quality of his opponents, to state he's the best ever suggests that you do not have a broad knowledge of this sport or in depth knowledge of its history. But i realise that it is your opinion and for that reason alone i can respect it without need for you to justify it.
I look to fighters like Igor - the Fedor prototype who seemed to walk straight through anything you hit him with until injuries and the quality of opposition caught up with him. He was a trail blazer, dominating almost everyone in all organisations he fought in to the point that people feared the name before ever seeing the man. His only early questionable result was his 1st fight against Nick Nutter when they were stood up with Nutter controlling and dominating. The rematch was very very different.
Alot of people would say Mark Kerr but in reality he was nothing without the drugs, and he didnt exactly have stellar opposition on his record. Bas was amazing and could have made him one of the all time marquee names however he couldnt manage his own demons and dragged people down.
What Igor did for stand up, Coleman did for GnP and set a new standard for victory. His relentless pursuit of the takedown combined with his ridiculous strength made for a very slow, agonising recovery for most of his opponents. Hes fought too long trying to keep his name in lights and make a few extra $$ but at his all time peak he was the true smashing machine.
Fedor stands alone in what he was able to do - he outstruck the best strikers, out grappled the best wrestlers and out manouvered the best ground fighters in the world. I really do not think we will see anyone at that level in my lifetime unless Bones steps up and lives up to his potential.
Afterall, potential is just that - essentially it means nothing.
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Fedor will never be considered the best ever. He was the best of an era, but with many freakshow fights and mismatches in an org with known fixed and mafia ties, he will always have a questionable ranking. But hey....he was fun to watch in his prime.
You are too caught up with opponents and orgs instead of the actual fighting itself. There was a reason the best fighters on the planet were calling him THE BEST fighter on the planet.
Im still not buying your "padded record" BS you've always babbled about. Lets see how Anderson Silva or Brock Lesnar would have done against all of Fedors opponents.
You are delusional and dont know anything about fighting with the statements you make about Fedor on a regular basis.
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I bet you would floss with Fedor's pubes given the chance. Your nuthuggery is swelling to mass proportions.
If Fedor would have fought in the UFC and still KO'd fighters the way he did in Strike etc, then i'd say yes, greatest ever. But in agreeing with Weightpusher, his record is very much padded and that is a fact that only a feeble argument can sustain.
Someone like a Randy Couture gets my vote as greatest. Why? Because he's been a champ at different bodyweights. He's KO'd fighters. Submitted fighers. Found a way to beat fighters. He taken on guys twice his size and won. And he's still doing it. ANd he is a good role model...unlike mute Fedor. Someone like Couture is the face of this sport, not Fedor.
A guy's record is huge when determining who is "greatest"..but imo it isn't the only thing to be considered.
You imbecile, Couture said recently that Fedor is the greatest ever, and not only heavyweight, but pound-for-pound. GSP said the same. Anderson Silva said Fedor is the greatest heavyweight ever, and that he still looks up to Fedor as an inspiration like all former PRIDE fighters do. Shogun said Fedor is the greatest ever and that you should have seen him fight in person to understand just how ridiculously grand he is. Nogueira said that the toughest fights of his careers were his two fights against Fedor, and that it was the only time he felt outclassed. He gave an interview to "Portal Do Vale-Tudo" in Brazil where he said that he felt like he wasn't even in Fedor's league and that going into his second fight with Fedor was the only time he felt intimidated by a fighter. Fedor has the highest ranking that any fighter has ever had according to Sherdog. That is, at one point the difference between him and the guy who was second was the greatest ever and never again was the distance between first and second so great. He was like the Fischer of MMA. You know when the two greatest pound-for-pound fighters in the World, Anderson Silva and GSP, say that they are in awe of Fedor and have no words to describe him that the guy was truly something special.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Boy, all You fedor dick lickers are crying up a storm right now. Lol. He's a legend no doubt, but IN. MY OPINION not the greatest. I believe there is more to it than an inflated record.
I can't believe the long rants from gw and suck. Sorry fellas. He's been exposed as a can fighter.
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Boy, all You fedor dick lickers are crying up a storm right now. Lol. He's a legend no doubt, but IN. MY OPINION not the greatest. I believe there is more to it than an inflated record.
I can't believe the long rants from gw and suck. Sorry fellas. He's been exposed as a can fighter.
You have no knowledge about fighting with a statement like that lol.
Question for you- Why did GSP, Shogun and BJ Penn say Fedor was the best fighter on the planet? Why??
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I don't care who says what. My opinion is that fedor is a great heavyweight. MY OPINION is that he's not the greatest fighter ever.
I think there is more than just someone's record when calculating who the greatest is.
Shame on me for not agreeing w the nuthuggers.
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I don't care who says what. My opinion is that fedor is a great heavyweight. MY OPINION is that he's not the greatest fighter ever.
I think there is more than just someone's record when calculating who the greatest is.
Shame on me for not agreeing w the nuthuggers.
Whos your "favorite" fighter? Since thats what MMA is to you lol
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Right now my favorite is Jones. Exciting to watch.
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FFedor just needs to take a shit load of steroids... just like the other fighters...
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Right now my favorite is Jones. Exciting to watch.
Because hes undefeated. What are you gonna say when he loses?
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Because hes undefeated. What are you gonna say when he loses?
If you read what I wrote you would understand why he's one of my favorites. Not BC his record but BC he is exciting to watch.
Pay attention dumb fuck.
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If you read what I wrote you would understand why he's one of my favorites. Not BC his record but BC he is exciting to watch.
Pay attention dumb fuck.
whats that tuffer?
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and again, what are you going to say when he loses?
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You are too caught up with opponents and orgs instead of the actual fighting itself. There was a reason the best fighters on the planet were calling him THE BEST fighter on the planet.
Im still not buying your "padded record" BS you've always babbled about. Lets see how Anderson Silva or Brock Lesnar would have done against all of Fedors opponents.
You are delusional and dont know anything about fighting with the statements you make about Fedor on a regular basis.
We will no longer have to worry about that #1 spot being held hostage by an overrated HW. That's what makes me happy. Barnett will get KO'd by a mediocre Rodgers and he will be toast soon as well. All you clowns on here hate to see the sport change. It's 2011 and Fedor is retiring. What are we going to argue about now?
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We will no longer have to worry about that #1 spot being held hostage by an overrated HW. That's what makes me happy. Barnett will get KO'd by a mediocre Rodgers and he will be toast soon as well. All you clowns on here hate to see the sport change. It's 2011 and Fedor is retiring. What are we going to argue about now?
Whoever wins the Strikeforce heavyweight grand prix is the World's greatest heavyweight and not Cain Velasquez. That's all that matters to me.
UFC = SHIT
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Whoever wins the Strikeforce heavyweight grand prix is the World's greatest heavyweight and not Cain Velasquez. That's all that matters to me.
UFC = SHIT
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I got news for ya....
now that Fedors out, nobody gives a shit who wins the grand prix !
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I got news for ya....
now that Fedors out, nobody gives a shit who wins the grand prix !
No, Overeem and Barnett both are more proven and tested than Cain Velasquez. Whoever wins between those two will be the best heavyweight in the World. Fedor lost because he is too small and weak to defeat 6'4 290 lbs monsters. The Fedor of 2004 would have found a way, but the Fedor of 2011 is too past his prime to stand a chance against behemoths that carry over 50 lbs of muscle more than he does. However, both Barnett and Overeem have the mass to defeat Big Foot Silva and they are much more well-rounded and experienced. Werdum, Kharanitov, Silva and Rogers will be out and then it will be Barnett and Overeem for the title. And like I said, I think that Barnett will win.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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We will no longer have to worry about that #1 spot being held hostage by an overrated HW. That's what makes me happy. Barnett will get KO'd by a mediocre Rodgers and he will be toast soon as well. All you clowns on here hate to see the sport change. It's 2011 and Fedor is retiring. What are we going to argue about now?
You really think Barnett is gonna get KO'd by Rogers? Lmao you really are crazy. Anythings possible, but I know you wouldn't bet on that!
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You really think Barnett is gonna get KO'd by Rogers? Lmao you really are crazy. Anythings possible, but I know you wouldn't bet on that!
Rodgers is mediocre at best and I can't say anything more for a washed up, burnt-out, Barnett who hasn't had a meaningful win in years. He faces the same fate as Fedor.
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Rodgers is mediocre at best and I can't say anything more for a washed up, burnt-out, Barnett who hasn't had a meaningful win in years. He faces the same fate as Fedor.
You are officially a troll. Fuck off.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You seriously know nothing about MMA or are just a fucking moron in general if you think Randy Couture is on the same planet as Fedor fighting wise. If someone asked Randy who the greatest of all time was, he would say Fedor. Your comments about Randy being a better role model are also idiotic. Thankfully you and MS are the only ones who post here that are clueless enough to believe such nonsense as the two of you represent a cross section of American MMA fans that are braindead and ignorant about everything non-UFC related. I'd also bet money that the closest you've ever come personally to getting in a fight your entire life was the time you snuck into a men's apprel store after hours so you could sniff the worn "Tap Out" boxer shorts that were left inside the fitting rooms.
I'm a fucking moron bc I don't see an overhyped can-fighter as the greatest fighter ever? And really, how is Randy LESS of a role model? You've gotta be kidding me on that one.
I have nothing against Fedor and woulda LOVED to see him fight in the UFC. He has a great record etc, but the past 3-4 years he's not been fighting the top fighters imo. I'm sorry he's your God, but he got beat. Again.
And lol at Suck with all the size/weight advantage bullshit. He fights HW. And having a target the size of pluto in the head of Bigfoot. It's like shooting a gun at a UPS truck at five feet and missing.
And you are correct george, i've never been in the ring. But really, what's that gotta do with my opinion? Most haven't been in the ring. That doesn't mean i haven't been a fan and watching mma since the original UFC aired, of which I had PPV.
Truly, I hope your wounds heal. Really he should cut weight and try fighting at LHW.
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I got news for ya....
now that Fedors out, nobody gives a shit who wins the grand prix !
Right. ::)
All eyes are on Overeem.
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Rodgers is mediocre at best and I can't say anything more for a washed up, burnt-out, Barnett who hasn't had a meaningful win in years. He faces the same fate as Fedor.
Rogers is on the same level as your big hero Shane Carwin, who is a b level fighter. Everyone faces the same fate as Fedor, everyone gets old. You never make logical arguments.
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Rogers is on the same level as your big hero Shane Carwin, who is a b level fighter. Everyone faces the same fate as Fedor, everyone gets old. You never make logical arguments.
Does Rogers have much of a wrestling background? Curious
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I'm a fucking moron bc I don't see an overhyped can-fighter as the greatest fighter ever? And really, how is Randy LESS of a role model? You've gotta be kidding me on that one.
I have nothing against Fedor and woulda LOVED to see him fight in the UFC. He has a great record etc, but the past 3-4 years he's not been fighting the top fighters imo. I'm sorry he's your God, but he got beat. Again.
And lol at Suck with all the size/weight advantage bullshit. He fights HW. And having a target the size of pluto in the head of Bigfoot. It's like shooting a gun at a UPS truck at five feet and missing.
And you are correct george, i've never been in the ring. But really, what's that gotta do with my opinion? Most haven't been in the ring. That doesn't mean i haven't been a fan and watching mma since the original UFC aired, of which I had PPV.
Truly, I hope your wounds heal. Really he should cut weight and try fighting at LHW.
Since you keep posting illogical shit, im just gonna post a couple quotes from the professionals to shut you up.
"In my eyes Fedor will always be a champ."- BJ Penn after Fedors loss.
"I have nothing but respect for Fedor. We all lose that is the one thing you can be sure of in MMA. He is still a GOAT imo." - Shane Carwin, one of your heroes.
"Just shed a single tear, witnessed one of the greatest fighters of all time contemplate his retirement after 2nd loss. I am sad." -Miguel Torres
I can go on and on troll lol.
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Does Rogers have much of a wrestling background? Curious
Fuck no, so wat.
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Fuck no, so wat.
haha.. There goes your credibility.
Carwin is a 2 time NCAA Division II Wrestling National Runner-Up Heavyweight in 1996–97 and then in 1999 a NCAA II Wrestling Heavyweight National Champion.
Saying Rogers is on par with Carwin skill-wise is incorrect son.
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Fedor was a mediocre fighter who built a great record by beating a bunch of cans and wining some questionable fights. Once he was put in there with opponents that had decent skill, he was exposed. It's not that complicated.
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Fedor was a mediocre fighter who built a great record by beating a bunch of cans and wining some questionable fights. Once he was put in there with opponents that had decent skill, he was exposed. It's not that complicated.
No, he started to deteriorate as he got older, not because the competition got better
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No, Overeem and Barnett both are more proven and tested than Cain Velasquez. Whoever wins between those two will be the best heavyweight in the World. Fedor lost because he is too small and weak to defeat 6'4 290 lbs monsters. The Fedor of 2004 would have found a way, but the Fedor of 2011 is too past his prime to stand a chance against behemoths that carry over 50 lbs of muscle more than he does. However, both Barnett and Overeem have the mass to defeat Big Foot Silva and they are much more well-rounded and experienced. Werdum, Kharanitov, Silva and Rogers will be out and then it will be Barnett and Overeem for the title. And like I said, I think that Barnett will win.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
They are more 'proven' than Velasquez cos there older and have fought alot more DUH!!! state the obvious why dont you ::)
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If you read what I wrote you would understand why he's one of my favorites. Not BC his record but BC he is exciting to watch.
Pay attention dumb fuck.
For such a fan you didnt exactly argue when someone said you only like him because hes undefeated. He has lost ;)
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For such a fan you didnt exactly argue when someone said you only like him because hes undefeated. He has lost ;)
What are you, some sorta troll? Within the past ten minutes you slammed ME, EVOLVER, & SUCKMYMUSCLE. And all with no merit.
Keep up the good work Kevcat. ::)
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Fedor was a mediocre fighter who built a great record by beating a bunch of cans and wining some questionable fights. Once he was put in there with opponents that had decent skill, he was exposed. It's not that complicated.
He got old lol. Just because you only heard of him through Dana White, doesnt mean hes new. Even YOUR favorite fighter will get old an lose lol.
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Id love overeem to walk this however everyone is counting out werdum who has beat a few fighter on this card already. Hope overeem wins the goes to the Ufc and empties the division
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Id love overeem to walk this however everyone is counting out werdum who has beat a few fighter on this card already. Hope overeem wins the goes to the Ufc and empties the division
Sergei has already beaten Werdum. Doesn't matter anyways, Rogers is gonna fuck everyone up.
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Sergei has already beaten Werdum. Doesn't matter anyways, Rogers is gonna fuck everyone up.
Even Overeem?
??? ;D
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Even Overeem?
??? ;D
Overeem got extremely lucky in their first meet. Hes gonna pay with a big right hand from Rogers.
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Overeem got extremely lucky in their first meet. Hes gonna pay with a big right hand from Rogers.
Even IF Rogers beats Barnett, which I don't think is going to happen, he won't beat either Werdum or Reem.
Then again, stranger things have happened. We all know what happened to GSP with Serra back in the day.
My prediction is that Barnett takes Rogers down and ends it. TKO second.
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They are more 'proven' than Velasquez cos there older and have fought alot more DUH!!! state the obvious why dont you.
This is completely redundant. The fact is that they do have more credibility as heavyweights, thus the winner between them should be the World's greatest heavyweight.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Even IF Rogers beats Barnett, which I don't think is going to happen, he won't beat either Werdum or Reem.
Then again, stranger things have happened. We all know what happened to GSP with Serra back in the day.
My prediction is that Barnett takes Rogers down and ends it. TKO second.
yeah we all know GSP was exposed by Serra back in the day (2007!!) lol ::)
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yeah we all know GSP was exposed by Serra back in the day (2007!!) lol ::)
Oh wait I forgot, that IS back in the day for you!! HAHA!!
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Oh wait I forgot, that IS back in the day for you!! HAHA!!
please tell me you're not laughing at your jokes. ::)
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please tell me you're not laughing at your jokes. ::)
GSP got exposed what??
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What are you, some sorta troll? Within the past ten minutes you slammed ME, EVOLVER, & SUCKMYMUSCLE. And all with no merit.
Keep up the good work Kevcat. ::)
You seem to be a troll
You say youre a 'fan' of fighters but know absolutely nothing about them, other than what you read on Wikipedia ;)
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You seem to be a troll
You say youre a 'fan' of fighters but know absolutely nothing about them, other than what you read on Wikipedia ;)
No youre a troll!
::)
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all of the best guys from the early TUF era are way past their prime
wanderlei
liddell
hughes
randy
nog
arlovski
sylvia
cro cop
franklin
and now Fedor
times change, people get old
to say that any of these guys sucked makes a person a retard
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all of the best guys from the early TUF era are way past their prime
wanderlei
liddell
hughes
randy
nog
arlovski
sylvia
cro cop
franklin
and now Fedor
times change, people get old
to say that any of these guys sucked makes a person a retard
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I mostly agree with you here....The only thing I can disagree with you about is that Fedor is not necessarily past his prime, He's just not as good as many current HW's in MMA. The sport has evolved, and he has not. Fedor has been fighting mediocre talent for years now.
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all of the best guys from the early TUF era are way past their prime
wanderlei
liddell
hughes
randy
nog
arlovski
sylvia
cro cop
franklin
and now Fedor
times change, people get old
to say that any of these guys sucked makes a person a retard
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According to the troll with 3 gimmicks, none of them were exposed. Just Fedor lol.
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According to the troll with 3 gimmicks, none of them were exposed. Just Fedor lol.
Exactly my point.
There was a time (two embarrassing losses ago) that Fedor was fighting mediocre competition and was holding the #1 ranking hostage.
Not the case anymore. I was right all along, and frankly, it's old news now. Silva just verified it beyond any argument.
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Exactly my point.
There was a time (two embarrassing losses ago) that Fedor was fighting mediocre competition and was holding the #1 ranking hostage.
Not the case anymore. I was right all along, and frankly, it's old news now. Silva just verified it beyond any argument.
He wasnt holding the number one spot, 5- 2 Brock Lesnar was lol. Silva is a heavyweight that cuts to fight smaller shorter men. Overeem would kill him lol.
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He wasnt holding the number one spot, 5- 2 Brock Lesnar was lol. Silva is a heavyweight that cuts to fight smaller shorter men. Overeem would kill him lol.
Good for Anderson then. That is what most fighters do.
Don't blame Fedor's inability to lose 50lbs. of fat on other fighters. Most fighters cut weight in case you didn't know.
There are risks to everything in this sport.
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Good for Anderson then. That is what most fighters do.
Don't blame Fedor's inability to lose 50lbs. of fat on other fighters. Most fighters cut weight in case you didn't know.
There are risks to everything in this sport.
So cutting weight to fight smaller men is what makes you the best? lmfao wrong again hot shot.
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So cutting weight to fight smaller men is what makes you the best? lmfao wrong again hot shot.
Most fighters in combat sports and college wrestling cut weight. How much they want to cut and how it effects them is the part of the game.
Most weight the same on weigh in day in case you didn't know.
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This is completely redundant. The fact is that they do have more credibility as heavyweights, thus the winner between them should be the World's greatest heavyweight.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Tell me how they have more credibility then?
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Most fighters in combat sports and college wrestling cut weight. How much they want to cut and how it effects them is the part of the game.
Most weight the same on weigh in day in case you didn't know.
Nope, him not cutting weight and fighting at a disadvantage is more impressive than cutting a shit load of weight to fight smaller guys and have the advantage. Its simple. You dont make sense at all lol.
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Nope, him not cutting weight and fighting at a disadvantage is more impressive than cutting a shit load of weight to fight smaller guys and have the advantage. Its simple. You dont make sense at all lol.
WOW....truly showing your lack of knowledge here.
Cutting weight is part of the game and an option available to EVERY fighter. Do the judges score higher when a guy cuts less weight LOL!
Do you even understand the way combat sports work. Even in HS & College wrestling they cut weight. Boxing too.
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WOW....truly showing your lack of knowledge here.
Cutting weight is part of the game and an option available to EVERY fighter. Do the judges score higher when a guy cuts less weight LOL!
Do you even understand the way combat sports work. Even in HS & College wrestling they cut weight. Boxing too.
So Jon Jones, Forrest Griffin and Tito Ortiz cut to 205 because HW is too easy? ::)
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I mostly agree with you here....The only thing I can disagree with you about is that Fedor is not necessarily past his prime, He's just not as good as many current HW's in MMA. The sport has evolved, and he has not. Fedor has been fighting mediocre talent for years now.
I dont want to get caught up in this childish game of "my dads bigger than your dad" which seems to be spanning the board, but i have to disagree here. To say that a prime Fedor is not as good as the modern crop of top 10 guys is ridiculous, because essentially if he is not past his prime then he is still there, yes? I was never mad about him as a fan but as a fighter i couldnt help but appreciate and awe at what he was able to do to people at will - people regarded as the some of the best of all time.
The peak years of Fedor were in Pride, there is absolutely no way he could have been overcome by Silva or Werdum, or even challenged by Andrei or Brett back in that era because as ive said before he was better at everything than the most highly regarded fighters. His speed and power made up for his lack of size because it was enough to simply crush people 100 - 200lbs heavier than he was - so the excuses ive seen by SMM stating "he was outweighed by.........." have no substance. Its not the end of the world fella, his time has come and gone.
Every fighter ages, and as he has not been as active then its hard for people to see just how far off his own pace he has become. Its a part of life guys, get over it and move on instead of dwelling on why youre favourite anything is no longer the best. The current crop may be better trained and more motivated but that could be because Fedor has been king for so long hes lost the hunger, but as hes unable to match his own standards and is being ripped apart for it?!
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I dont want to get caught up in this childish game of "my dads bigger than your dad" which seems to be spanning the board, but i have to disagree here. To say that a prime Fedor is not as good as the modern crop of top 10 guys is ridiculous, because essentially if he is not past his prime then he is still there, yes? I was never mad about him as a fan but as a fighter i couldnt help but appreciate and awe at what he was able to do to people at will - people regarded as the some of the best of all time.
The peak years of Fedor were in Pride, there is absolutely no way he could have been overcome by Silva or Werdum, or even challenged by Andrei or Brett back in that era because as ive said before he was better at everything than the most highly regarded fighters. His speed and power made up for his lack of size because it was enough to simply crush people 100 - 200lbs heavier than he was - so the excuses ive seen by SMM stating "he was outweighed by.........." have no substance. Its not the end of the world fella, his time has come and gone.
Every fighter ages, and as he has not been as active then its hard for people to see just how far off his own pace he has become. Its a part of life guys, get over it and move on instead of dwelling on why youre favourite anything is no longer the best. The current crop may be better trained and more motivated but that could be because Fedor has been king for so long hes lost the hunger, but as hes unable to match his own standards and is being ripped apart for it?!
Sorry- your post was well reasoned and intelligent. Therefore, your not allowed to post on this board without arguing with 15 gimmick accounts that belong to two people that have been following MMA for 6 months.
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WOW....truly showing your lack of knowledge here.
Cutting weight is part of the game and an option available to EVERY fighter. Do the judges score higher when a guy cuts less weight LOL!
Do you even understand the way combat sports work. Even in HS & College wrestling they cut weight. Boxing too.
Answer me boy!
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Talk to me boy I can't hear ya!!
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so the excuses ive seen by SMM stating "he was outweighed by.........." have no substance. Its not the end of the
Apples and oranges. The guys who were 100+ lbs heavier than Fedor were either just huge with little fighting skills and athletic ability, like Hong Man Choi, or overweight - like Zuluzinho. C'mon, Fedor was god-like and could beat fighters that outweighted him by 50 lbs, but 100+ is ridiculous. You would have to be Goku on steroids and crack cocaine to beat opponents who outweight you by a legitimate 100+ lbs. Beating opponents that outweight you by 50+ lbs is hard enough. In fact, only Fedor could do it on a regular basis. Silva is a lean and cut 57 lbs heavier than Fedor and that is a ridiculous advantage in strength and power - three whole weight classes! Prime Fedor would have his hands full with Silva, but the Fedor of today just couldn't do it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Apples and oranges. The guys who were 100+ lbs heavier than Fedor were either just huge with little fighting skills and athletic ability, like Hong Man Choi, or overweight - like Zuluzinho. C'mon, Fedor was god-like and could beat fighters that outweighted him by 50 lbs, but 100+ is ridiculous. You would have to be Goku on steroids and crack cocaine to beat opponents who outweight you by a legitimate 100+ lbs. Beating opponents that outweight you by 50+ lbs is hard enough. In fact, only Fedor could do it on a regular basis. Silva is a lean and cut 57 lbs heavier than Fedor and that is a ridiculous advantage in strength and power - three whole weight classes! Prime Fedor would have his hands full with Silva, but the Fedor of today just couldn't do it.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I'm tired of hearing about this size disadvantage. The fact is Fedor never evolved. Fedor would get handled by any top ranked guy in LHW or HW.
You act like Fedor got tricked into fighting at HW.
Stop with the excuses, seriously. Fedor's prime is gone. He handpicked a can that was a 5-1 underdog, and got exposed, again.
Fedor will never be on top again in any division or org. Accept it.