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But for how long? Has he given up the movie career?
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First time in a while I've been really excited about a WWE bit. In 20 minutes, he buried the entire roster, showing them how it ought to be done. No one owns a crowd like the Rock.
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I just noticed something:
When Rock hit the turnbuckles before his promo, I barely saw any camera flashes.
When he & Austin used to strike that pose years ago, the whole arena would light up.
You were screwed if you were an epileptic.
Same would happen when Savage used to leap off the top rope with that flying elbow.
I don't think people take a camera with them to the shows anymore, and it's very likely because the shows are no longer "special."
I can all but guarantee that's going to change come Mania.
What a reaction!
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I've got to admit, I went crazy when he came out! The high heels getting out of the limo threw me, but when the lights started going out, and the atmosphere built, it had to be someone special. Great to see him, the crowd reaction was awesome, and it was so refreshing to see someone with the ability to 'electrify' the arena like that. I hope the rest of the roster was watching very closely backstage.
Is he back for good? I doubt it, but who knows. I'd always thought that he'd gotten 'bigger' than WWE, and didn't think he'd return like that, so that shows how much I know.
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I just noticed something:
When Rock hit the turnbuckles before his promo, I barely saw any camera flashes.
When he & Austin used to strike that pose years ago, the whole arena would light up.
You were screwed if you were an epileptic.
Same would happen when Savage used to leap off the top rope with that flying elbow.
I don't think people take a camera with them to the shows anymore, and it's very likely because the shows are no longer "special."
I can all but guarantee that's going to change come Mania.
What a reaction!
He generated more crowd reaction and got the people eating out of his hand in a mere ten minutes then the entire locker room did in the last 5 years.
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Rock has wrestling in his blood, i think he will always be around it to a certain degree.
I would like to see a double-whammy and have the Texas Rattlesnake come out next monday and cut a promo on Cena. I would say that quite a few people who were big Austin fans back in the day kinda migrated to Cena for lack of anything better to cheer for.....they could so easily be turned on Cena....combine that w/Rock doing it and it would be pure gold.
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I would like to see a double-whammy and have the Texas Rattlesnake come out next monday and cut a promo on Cena. I would say that quite a few people who were big Austin fans back in the day kinda migrated to Cena for lack of anything better to cheer for.....they could so easily be turned on Cena....combine that w/Rock doing it and it would be pure gold.
That would certainly help work Cena into a heel position.
It would also leave a huge gap for the top babyface spot.
Wonder who will get that?
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He generated more crowd reaction and got the people eating out of his hand in a mere ten minutes then the entire locker room did in the last 5 years.
It was truly amazing how small he made all the other wrestlers look.
A little over a year ago, we had a thread on the Rock's possible return. You pretty much nailed it.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=318097.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=318097.0)
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That would certainly help work Cena into a heel position.
It would also leave a huge gap for the top babyface spot.
Wonder who will get that?
I would guess Morrison most likely, but that would take some tweaking.
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I would guess Morrison most likely, but that would take some tweaking.
I doubt that.
But I would like to see Austin around in some kind of capacity.
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I doubt that.
But I would like to see Austin around in some kind of capacity.
I don't see anybody else any better than Morrison as the top face..... they don't have much to pick from.
Austin should come out next week and cut a promo on Cena too.
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I don't see anybody else any better than Morrison as the top face..... they don't have much to pick from.
Austin should come out next week and cut a promo on Cena too.
Even Morrison. Would you pay 70-110 dollars for decent seats to see this guy main event at an arena near you? Not me. Just my two pennies.
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Even Morrison. Would you pay 70-110 dollars for decent seats to see this guy main event at an arena near you? Not me. Just my two pennies.
Oh hell no, but I don't think you and I represent the WWE's target market either... ;D
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Even Morrison. Would you pay 70-110 dollars for decent seats to see this guy main event at an arena near you? Not me. Just my two pennies.
I don't go to live shows, but, if I did, Morrision would be the guy on the roster I'd wanna see, just from a pure performance standpoint.
That said, he doesn't have that charisma that owns a room. He's just an amazing athlete.
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I don't go to live shows, but, if I did, Morrision would be the guy on the roster I'd wanna see, just from a pure performance standpoint.
That said, he doesn't have that charisma that owns a room. He's just an amazing athlete.
I've seen him a few time on live cards (Raw and Smackdown) when they came here and believe me when I say he's nothing special.
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He generated more crowd reaction and got the people eating out of his hand in a mere ten minutes then the entire locker room did in the last 5 years.
I beg to differ. He's been gone 7 years. That's to be expected.
When Hogan came back in 2002, he got huge pops as well, especially after WrestleMania 18. But, his popularity waned as the months went by.
Whether or not that happens to Rock remains to be seen. Plus, there's a reason John Cena gets the push he does. He generates the most from the crowd.
Cena is the boy-band of wrestlers. People either LOVE him or LOVE to HATE him. But, there's never a dull moment with Cena.
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I beg to differ. He's been gone 7 years. That's to be expected.
When Hogan came back in 2002, he got huge pops as well, especially after WrestleMania 18. But, his popularity waned as the months went by.
Whether or not that happens to Rock remains to be seen. Plus, there's a reason John Cena gets the push he does. He generates the most from the crowd.
Cena is the boy-band of wrestlers. People either LOVE him or LOVE to HATE him. But, there's never a dull moment with Cena.
Really? So anybody who has been gone for at least 7 yrs would get that reaction? No way. And Rock will still be over for as long as he is in the WWE, just like he was the day he walked away to make movies. And if there is never a dull moment with Cena, why is the WWE stock down, attendance down, ratings down, etc....? He can't carry the company, pure and simple. Granted he is the best they have right now, but it's not enough......the product sucks something awful and Rock and/or Austin could breathe some life back into it....Cena has had his chance and he can't.
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Really? So anybody who has been gone for at least 7 yrs would get that reaction? No way. And Rock will still be over for as long as he is in the WWE, just like he was the day he walked away to make movies. And if there is never a dull moment with Cena, why is the WWE stock down, attendance down, ratings down, etc....? He can't carry the company, pure and simple. Granted he is the best they have right now, but it's not enough......the product sucks something awful and Rock and/or Austin could breathe some life back into it....Cena has had his chance and he can't.
It's called the economy.
And I compared Rock with HOGAN, not with just any Joe Blow. Hogan came back; he got a huge pop....INITIALLY! But, that waned as the months progressed.
And, while Cena is the top draw, he's not supposed to carry the company by himself. McMahon learned his lesson after Hogan left. Now, he has the parity thing going. For two years, Austin was the cash cow. When he went down, Rock became the cat's meow. He fell off; Helmsley picked up the ball.
As Austin put it, "Wrestling is a machine; entertainment is a machine. I'm a gear that got used up. You pull me off, put me in an old pile of gears; you put a new gear on. The machine keeps rolling".
Rock will make things interesting. But for how long, only time will tell.
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yeah but how long can Vince keep dipping into the past in order to give his product a shot in the arm? He has yet to make new stars out of any of the younger guys. The WWE will be in big trouble financially in the next few years when all the top names are retired.
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It's called the economy.
And I compared Rock with HOGAN, not with just any Joe Blow. Hogan came back; he got a huge pop....INITIALLY! But, that waned as the months progressed.
And, while Cena is the top draw, he's not supposed to carry the company by himself. McMahon learned his lesson after Hogan left. Now, he has the parity thing going. For two years, Austin was the cash cow. When he went down, Rock became the cat's meow. He fell off; Helmsley picked up the ball.
As Austin put it, "Wrestling is a machine; entertainment is a machine. I'm a gear that got used up. You pull me off, put me in an old pile of gears; you put a new gear on. The machine keeps rolling".
Rock will make things interesting. But for how long, only time will tell.
I'll buy the economy on everything but TV ratings.....certainly PPV buys would be down, but their weekly TV ratings are down to. They just have a stale product and the current roster isn't going to change that anytime soon. I think it was brilliant to bring back Rock who will certainly boost things, and my whole thing is what you touched on.....they went from HBK to Austing to Rock to HHH to ???? Cena, I suppose....but WOW is that a massive dropoff.
But wrestling has always gone in cycles, so who knows. i just wish that creative would give some of these younger guys a chance to do something different. Promos sound the same, they look much the same, wrestle the same, etc.... they need more variety.
And you make a good analogy of Cena being like a boy band.
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I'll buy the economy on everything but TV ratings.....certainly PPV buys would be down, but their weekly TV ratings are down to. They just have a stale product and the current roster isn't going to change that anytime soon. I think it was brilliant to bring back Rock who will certainly boost things, and my whole thing is what you touched on.....they went from HBK to Austing to Rock to HHH to ???? Cena, I suppose....but WOW is that a massive dropoff.
I beg to differ. All of those guys were mid-carders, some with less-than flatteirng "new generation" gimmicks. They worked their way up the ranks and became main-event guys. Cena did the same thing.
But wrestling has always gone in cycles, so who knows. i just wish that creative would give some of these younger guys a chance to do something different. Promos sound the same, they look much the same, wrestle the same, etc.... they need more variety.
To me, the issue, especially on Smackdown, has been HEELS. That's why I dig Alberto Del Rio, especially since they turned Edge face.
And the younger guys have been doing something different. I'd hardly claim that the Miz looks and wrestles the same as Sheamus.
That brings me back to what I said months ago. People complained that they were tired of Cena, Orton, and Helmsley having the WWE title (especially Cena). But, many of those same folks had seizures (especially on YouTube) when Sheamus got the belt.
You'd think Cena critics would have been happy, seeing as Sheamus has been crowned champion TWICE at Cena's expense. And Cena has never beaten him for the title.
And you make a good analogy of Cena being like a boy band.
He got booed big time, at WrestleMania 24. In fact, I was one of the few who picked Orton to retain the title. The fans wanted to throw me over the railings of the nose bleed seats of the Citrus Bowl., because they were mostly for HHH. Maybe the folks in central Florida don't dig him.
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I liked when Cena made a suprise return at the Royal Rumble in NYC and the place went crazy and then all the smarks were like, "oh shit, we weren't supposed to cheer for him."
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I liked when Cena made a suprise return at the Royal Rumble in NYC and the place went crazy and then all the smarks were like, "oh shit, we weren't supposed to cheer for him."
You can't help it, though, with that entrance.
That music renders 99.8% of people unable to resist popping.
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You can't help it, though, with that entrance.
That music renders 99.8% of people unable to resist popping.
I think that is true of a lot of the entrances now....people pop because they are "expected" to by the music playing. Almost like "on cue" I'm more interested in guys who can pop a crowd during a match and NOT with their finisher.
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I liked when Cena made a suprise return at the Royal Rumble in NYC and the place went crazy and then all the smarks were like, "oh shit, we weren't supposed to cheer for him."
That pretty much puts to rest the claims that only the "Attitude" era guys like Rock and Austin can generate such responses.
Plus, you remember that Brock Lesnar got more of a pop than the Rock did at SummerSlam 2002, when he beat Rock for the undisputed title.
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I liked when Cena made a suprise return at the Royal Rumble in NYC and the place went crazy and then all the smarks were like, "oh shit, we weren't supposed to cheer for him."
Was it a sustained reaction, or the typcial entrance/theme pop?
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That pretty much puts to rest the claims that only the "Attitude" era guys like Rock and Austin can generate such responses.
Plus, you remember that Brock Lesnar got more of a pop than the Rock did at SummerSlam 2002, when he beat Rock for the undisputed title.
I mean people are saying that he got the biggest reaction of the pg era or whatever you want to call it. Well, no kidding he is one of the top 5 biggest stars ever and was off tv for 7 years, of course people are going to go nuts. He's going to get a louder reaction than Cena or Miz or whoever, people that are on tv every week.
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Was it a sustained reaction, or the typcial entrance/theme pop?
See for yourself
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I mean people are saying that he got the biggest reaction of the pg era or whatever you want to call it. Well, no kidding he is one of the top 5 biggest stars ever and was off tv for 7 years, of course people are going to go nuts. He's going to get a louder reaction than Cena or Miz or whoever, people that are on tv every week.
Yeah, but all things equal, I don't see any of the top guys of today coming back after a 7-yr. hiatus and eliciting the reaction Rock did.
And, that's because Rock reached a level none of today's guys ever have.
Maybe they will, but they haven't yet.
At the moment, being the top dog of WWE is analogous to being the valedictorian of summer school.
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Yeah, but all things equal, I don't see any of the top guys of today coming back after a 7-yr. hiatus and eliciting the reaction Rock did.
And, that's because Rock reached a level none of today's guys ever have.
Maybe they will, but they haven't yet.
At the moment, being the top dog of WWE is analogous to being the valedictorian of summer school.
oh i agree. The Rock is a one in a million. Business was so hot in the late 90's early 2000's that it will be near impossible for anyone from this era to get a reaction like that. The only scenario I can think of is most of the Cena fans are kids, if most of them keep watching they will be adults in 10 years if Cena did a hypothetical return. To them right now this era will be the best, much like the kids in the 80's growing up with Hogan, Flair, and Warrior and kids in the 90's with Austin and Rock remember their childhood.
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oh i agree. The Rock is a one in a million. Business was so hot in the late 90's early 2000's that it will be near impossible for anyone from this era to get a reaction like that. The only scenario I can think of is most of the Cena fans are kids, if most of them keep watching they will be adults in 10 years if Cena did a hypothetical return. To them right now this era will be the best, much like the kids in the 80's growing up with Hogan, Flair, and Warrior and kids in the 90's with Austin and Rock remember their childhood.
True.
Every generation thought that they had the best era.
That goes for the wrestlers, too.
But the truth is, in Bruno's day, they would have KILLED for the worst numbers of today's product.
I guess, then, the "best" is how you remember it.
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True.
Every generation thought that they had the best era.
That goes for the wrestlers, too.
But the truth is, in Bruno's day, they would have KILLED for the worst numbers of today's product.
I guess, then, the "best" is how you remember it.
The WWE reached its biggest profit and highest television & PPV ratings in 1999-2000 and that was a time when NO JOHN CENA was around. Fact.
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The WWE reached its biggest profit and highest television & PPV ratings in 1999-2000 and that was a time when NO JOHN CENA was around. Fact.
Look at the WrestleMania venues. In the post-"Attitude" era, WrestleMania has been held in a football/baseball stadium 5 years in a row (counting this year's event).
In the "Attitude" era, you have just one (WrestleMania 17).
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Look at the WrestleMania venues. In the post-"Attitude" era, WrestleMania has been held in a football/baseball stadium 5 years in a row (counting this year's event).
In the "Attitude" era, you have just one (WrestleMania 17).
they are also taping Smackdown in 4600 seat venues. I really hope you don't think that somehow the WWE is "bigger" now than during the Attitude era..... :-\
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Look at the WrestleMania venues. In the post-"Attitude" era, WrestleMania has been held in a football/baseball stadium 5 years in a row (counting this year's event).
In the "Attitude" era, you have just one (WrestleMania 17).
Only because everyone wanted to see Vince get his head shaved by Donald with Austin as a ref / enforcer. Other WM's to follow had other specialty "lets attract fans" like people wanting to see The Big Show take on Floyd Mayweather, etc. Not to see Cena. Last two years it was all about HBK & Undertaker. Not Cena, that's for sure.
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they are also taping Smackdown in 4600 seat venues. I really hope you don't think that somehow the WWE is "bigger" now than during the Attitude era..... :-\
They taped Raw in similar venues back in the late 90s.
As I said, 5 straight WrestleManias in 70,000+ seat stadiums, one of which I got to attend and had a blast (WrestleMania 24).
I think they should have more outdoor WrestleManias, but you have to factor in the weather. It was raining early at the Citrus Bowl.
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Only because everyone wanted to see Vince get his head shaved by Donald with Austin as a ref / enforcer. Other WM's to follow had other specialty "lets attract fans" like people wanting to see The Big Show take on Floyd Mayweather, etc. Not to see Cena. Last two years it was all about HBK & Undertaker. Not Cena, that's for sure.
What is your obession about Cena? I never claimed that the post-Attitude era was all about him. That's part of the problem with some critics here.
With that said, even though 'Taker won the Royal Rumble that year, WrestleMania 23's last match (the "Raw main event"; Batista-'Taker was billed the "Smackdown main event") was Cena vs. Michaels.
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They taped Raw in similar venues back in the late 90s.
As I said, 5 straight WrestleManias in 70,000+ seat stadiums, one of which I got to attend and had a blast (WrestleMania 24).
I think they should have more outdoor WrestleManias, but you have to factor in the weather. It was raining early at the Citrus Bowl.
So you do think the WWE is bigger right now than it was in the late 90's?
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What is your obession about Cena? I never claimed that the post-Attitude era was all about him. That's part of the problem with some critics here.
With that said, even though 'Taker won the Royal Rumble that year, WrestleMania 23's last match (the "Raw main event"; Batista-'Taker was billed the "Smackdown main event") was Cena vs. Michaels.
i'm not obsessed with Cena. You keep bringing him up saying that he's bigger than the Rock and Austin which is silly because he is not. He's popular and does numerous charity work but he is no Rock or Austin in terms of in ring work and crowd reaction.
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So you do think the WWE is bigger right now than it was in the late 90's?
I'd say they're about even. Both have had their highs and lows. Remember that, in the late 90s, WWE came within a heartbeat of going out of business.
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I'd say they're about even. Both have had their highs and lows. Remember that, in the late 90s, WWE came within a heartbeat of going out of business.
Correction....mid ninties. 1995-1997 to be exact. This was the time when they were wrestling in small 3,000 - 6,000 capacity crowd facilities and using big hockey arenas for PPV's.
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i'm not obsessed with Cena. You keep bringing him up saying that he's bigger than the Rock and Austin which is silly because he is not. He's popular and does numerous charity work but he is no Rock or Austin in terms of in ring work and crowd reaction.
When did you ever hear me say that Cena is bigger than Austin or Rock? You're the one complaining as if WWE just can't exist without those two guys.
My point was and is, there was life after Hogan and Warrior, after Shawn and Bret, and YES after Austin and Rock.
But, if you compare Cena and Rock, look at their resumes. Cena has been World champion more times than Rock and LONGER than Rock. And, he's main-evented as many WrestleManias as Rock has, but in larger crowds.
As for working the crowd, Cena does quite well at that, in his own right. Again, people either love him or loathe him. At WrestleMania 25, for example, he wins the World title, then stands right next to a guy with a "Cena Sucks" T-Shirt (that same guy was in the front row with his buddies with similar shirts at WrestleMania 24), and just poses for a picture with the belt and smiles.
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Correction....mid ninties. 1995-1997 to be exact. This was the time when they were wrestling in small 3,000 - 6,000 capacity crowd facilities and using big hockey arenas for PPV's.
Late 90's: 1996-1998, prior to Austin becoming champion. I consider mid-90s to be 1993-1995.
The tail end of the "New Generation" and the beginning of the "Attitude" era, they were wrestling in similar-sized venues, particularly at those "In Your House" PPVs. For example, In Your House: Beware of Dog 2 was a turning point in Austin's career, as that's where he lost that second Carribean Strap Match (with the stipulation that Ted DiBiase, would leave the WWF, if Austin got beat).
And those Thursday Raw tapings (when USA had those dumb dog shows on Monday nights) were a bit small, not to mention "Shotgun Saturday Night".
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Late 90's: 1996-1998, prior to Austin becoming champion. I consider mid-90s to be 1993-1995.
The tail end of the "New Generation" and the beginning of the "Attitude" era, they were wrestling in similar-sized venues, particularly at those "In Your House" PPVs. For example, In Your House: Beware of Dog 2 was a turning point in Austin's career, as that's where he lost that second Carribean Strap Match (with the stipulation that Ted DiBiase, would leave the WWF, if Austin got beat).
And those Thursday Raw tapings (when USA had those dumb dog shows on Monday nights) were a bit small, not to mention "Shotgun Saturday Night".
That's early ninties ;)
No need to spar with people. Its a friendly board.
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When did you ever hear me say that Cena is bigger than Austin or Rock? You're the one complaining as if WWE just can't exist without those two guys.
My point was and is, there was life after Hogan and Warrior, after Shawn and Bret, and YES after Austin and Rock.
But, if you compare Cena and Rock, look at their resumes. Cena has been World champion more times than Rock and LONGER than Rock. And, he's main-evented as many WrestleManias as Rock has, but in larger crowds.
As for working the crowd, Cena does quite well at that, in his own right. Again, people either love him or loathe him. At WrestleMania 25, for example, he wins the World title, then stands right next to a guy with a "Cena Sucks" T-Shirt (that same guy was in the front row with his buddies with similar shirts at WrestleMania 24), and just poses for a picture with the belt and smiles.
David Arquette held the World title too. Titles mean absolutely nothing.
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David Arquette held the World title too. Titles mean absolutely nothing.
Then why is Austin's win over Michaels at WrestleMania 14 considered a top-10 all-time WrestleMania match?
On paper, it's hardly a memorable bout, except for its obvious ending.
One, Michaels barely made it to WM14 because of his back.
Two, who in their right mind thought that Michaels was going to retain the title?
Three, that match had the tried-and-true formula for a title change: Heel champion vs. face challenger.
In WCW, titles may not have meant that much, except for Goldberg's reign. But in WWE, that strap means everything (hence, all the drama with the "Survivor Series Screwjob" with Bret Hart).
That's how Austin, Rock, Helmsley, Cena, Orton, Undertaker, Michaels, et. al. came to prominence.
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David Arquette held the World title too. Titles mean absolutely nothing.
Not anymore.
Not like they did.
Then why is Austin's win over Michaels at WrestleMania 14 considered a top-10 all-time WrestleMania match?
Because of WHO was in the match.
Wrestlers give the titles meaning & importance.
Judy Bagwell & David Arquette do not.
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Not anymore.
Not like they did.
Because of WHO was in the match.
Wrestlers give the titles meaning & importance.
Judy Bagwell & David Arquette do not.
The match itself was mediocre at best. The ranking is because it was Austin's first World title, not because the match was awesome itself.
Again, there was little drama (except for whether Michaels would make it there in one piece). Everybody and their mama knew Austin would win. That was just a formality.
And, we're talking about the WWF/WWE championship, not the WCW title which was rendered almost meaningless (except for Goldberg's tenure).
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The match itself was mediocre at best. The ranking is because it was Austin's first World title, not because the match was awesome itself.
Again, there was little drama (except for whether Michaels would make it there in one piece). Everybody and their mama knew Austin would win. That was just a formality.
And, we're talking about the WWF/WWE championship, not the WCW title which was rendered almost meaningless (except for Goldberg's tenure).
This is just your opinion. Not fact Remember that before you start sparring with everyone on here and doing 37 hours of extensive research and video bullshit. ;)
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This is just your opinion. Not fact Remember that before you start sparring with everyone on here and doing 37 hours of extensive research and video bullshit. ;)
I don't need that much time to do research ;D.
Michaels-Austin was as predictable as a Monday is long. Heel champion vs. face challenger at WrestleMania, a no-brainer (especially with Austin's growing popularity). And the match was hardly a barn-burner.
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I don't need that much time to do research ;D.
Michaels-Austin was as predictable as a Monday is long. Heel champion vs. face challenger at WrestleMania, a no-brainer (especially with Austin's growing popularity). And the match was hardly a barn-burner.
Glad to hear that. You feel better now?