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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Wrestling Board => Topic started by: Thin Lizzy on February 17, 2011, 05:26:24 AM
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There's this guy on Raw, who goes by the name Mason Ryan. There's just no way anyone could, with a straight face, deny that he's juiced to the gills.
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Your seriously figuring that out now???
Batista, Benoit, Guerrerro, Austin, Rock, Orton, even EDGE was on Winstrol and HGH, Hogan (comeback 2002) McMahon himself, Test, Steiner, etc, etc, etc are ALL on gas past, present & future divas included. The "steroid testing" aka "Wellness policy" is only a front to show the government that they (the WWE) are doing something and to get people off his back. EVERYONE uses anabolic steroids. NFL, CFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, etc. The media is phenomenal at over-reacting as usual and blowing "sexy" stories out of proportion. Common sense needs to be utilized by all on this subject.
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There was a "brief" period where the guys got smaller. Chris Masters' "shrinkage" comes to mind.
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There was a "brief" period where the guys got smaller. Chris Masters' "shrinkage" comes to mind.
Lol...Masters looked like he deflated. They got paranoid after the Benoit incident that they all panicked and got off just incase.
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Anyone seen the youtube video where Triple H mows down Masters about 'losing 50 pounds in 30 days?' You could tell that Masters was legitmately pissed. Looks like HHH ad-libbed for that promo and Masters wasn't expecting it.
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Lol...Masters looked like he deflated. They got paranoid after the Benoit incident that they all panicked and got off just incase.
Masters has a torn pec. That might play into his shrinkage, as well.
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Your seriously figuring that out now???
Batista, Benoit, Guerrerro, Austin, Rock, Orton, even EDGE was on Winstrol and HGH, Hogan (comeback 2002) McMahon himself, Test, Steiner, etc, etc, etc are ALL on gas past, present & future divas included. The "steroid testing" aka "Wellness policy" is only a front to show the government that they (the WWE) are doing something and to get people off his back. EVERYONE uses anabolic steroids. NFL, CFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, etc. The media is phenomenal at over-reacting as usual and blowing "sexy" stories out of proportion. Common sense needs to be utilized by all on this subject.
What pretense? After the Benoit tragedy, the records revealed showed that WWE did indeed test Benoit (who came up negative), just a few months before he went beserk and killed his family (and himself).
Plus, look at all the guys that got fired/suspended for testing positive for other drugs, such as:
- Kennedy (hence the reason he coughed up his "Money-in-the-Bank briefcase to Edge)
- Carlito
- Rob Van Dam (had to drop the WWE title to Edge and the ECW title to Big Show, in a span of two days; then got kayfabe suspended by Heyman).
- Sabu
And, I've lost count of how many times Jeff Hardy has been sidelined for smoking dope. (I was watching WM 24, which I actually saw live in Orlando. The reason the "Money-In-The-Bank" match had just 7 guys is because Hardy was supposed to be the 8th man but he got suspended).
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If they are really testing for anything, I'm sure that it is selective at best.
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exactly ;D
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That only proves that there is no test for egg yolks, tribulus, and steamed broccoli.
All natural, baby.
Ce-nation!!!
...or however they spell it.
:)
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I think they're slowly coming back from the whole Benoit reaction. You look at the newer guys appearing now, such as Mason Ryan, and Sheamus, Zeke Jackson, David Otunga, Skip Sheffield, etc. they're hiring the bigger guys who are blatantly on. 3 or 4 years ago, the roster had lost those kind of physiques, apart from Cena, HHH and Batista.
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I think they're slowly coming back from the whole Benoit reaction. You look at the newer guys appearing now, such as Mason Ryan, and Sheamus, Zeke Jackson, David Otunga, Skip Sheffield, etc. they're hiring the bigger guys who are blatantly on. 3 or 4 years ago, the roster had lost those kind of physiques, apart from Cena, HHH and Batista.
Well, 'Taker got a bit more chiseled up. And Kane isn't exactly a shrimp, either.
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I think they're slowly coming back from the whole Benoit reaction. You look at the newer guys appearing now, such as Mason Ryan, and Sheamus, Zeke Jackson, David Otunga, Skip Sheffield, etc. they're hiring the bigger guys who are blatantly on. 3 or 4 years ago, the roster had lost those kind of physiques, apart from Cena, HHH and Batista.
Same thing happened after the steroid trial..Hogan lost about 30 lbs alone.
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Well, 'Taker got a bit more chiseled up. And Kane isn't exactly a shrimp, either.
Kane DEFINITELY cycled, and you could tell WHEN he cycled.
He's always been a big boy, but (especially around his late 90's title run), there were times he displayed a very big, lean, and muscular physique - more so than usual.
He's tough, too.
He allegedly once wrestled for over a week with a broken hand before even having it looked at and diagnosed.
Another wrestler who comes to mind is Billy Gunn.
His physique always very noticeably fluctuated.
He often looked his best around the bigger PPV's it seemed.
Same thing happened after the steroid trial..Hogan lost about 30 lbs alone.
Hogan looked like a completely different body when he came back to set up that program for WMIX.
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Kane DEFINITELY cycled, and you could tell WHEN he cycled.
He's always been a big boy, but (especially around his late 90's title run), there were times he displayed a very big, lean, and muscular physique - more so than usual.
He's tough, too.
He allegedly once wrestled for over a week with a broken hand before even having it looked at and diagnosed.
Another wrestler who comes to mind is Billy Gunn.
His physique always very noticeably fluctuated.
He often looked his best around the bigger PPV's it seemed.
Hogan looked like a completely different body when he came back to set up that program for WMIX.
But, as I said, look at all the guys who got popped for narcotics, especially Jeff Hardy.
And RVD, he had to drop two World title in two days, because of his issues.
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Kane DEFINITELY cycled, and you could tell WHEN he cycled.
He's always been a big boy, but (especially around his late 90's title run), there were times he displayed a very big, lean, and muscular physique - more so than usual.
He's tough, too.
He allegedly once wrestled for over a week with a broken hand before even having it looked at and diagnosed.
Another wrestler who comes to mind is Billy Gunn.
His physique always very noticeably fluctuated.
He often looked his best around the bigger PPV's it seemed.
Hogan looked like a completely different body when he came back to set up that program for WMIX
And the funny part is he still tried to pose after his matches with a much, much smaller body and more noticible body fat.
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Two other guys that have really shrunk are the "giants" of WWE. Look at the Big Show from 1999 and look at him now.
Same with the Great Khali. When he first arrived in 2006, his upper body was GIGANTIC. Now, his shoulders and arms (relative to his frame) look like matchsticks.
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Big show & Great Kahli used to have good builds believe it or not. I remember when BIg Show was "The Giant" in WCW. He was actually streamlined in his waist and more on the muscular side. Same with Kahli. I guess they figured why use it if they don't need the stuff. There size makes up for it. Some guys just don't know when to put the needle down and that is when you suffer health problems. You cannot take steroids / HGH forever.
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Big show & Great Kahli used to have good builds believe it or not. I remember when BIg Show was "The Giant" in WCW. He was actually streamlined in his waist and more on the muscular side. Same with Kahli. I guess they figured why use it if they don't need the stuff. There size makes up for it. Some guys just don't know when to put the needle down and that is when you suffer health problems. You cannot take steroids / HGH forever.
Plus, you can't judge solely by appearance. Jake "The Snake" Roberts used to take anabolics as well. It's safe to say he was no threat to win any Mr. Universe contests, back in the day.
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Plus, you can't judge solely by appearance. Jake "The Snake" Roberts used to take anabolics as well. It's safe to say he was no threat to win any Mr. Universe contests, back in the day.
Lol...I remember him saying this also in his dvd. I cannot see Jake training in a gym unless he is there to use a flat bench to chop his rails.
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Lol...I remember him saying this also in his dvd. I cannot see Jake training in a gym unless he is there to use a flat bench to chop his rails.
Jake hit the gym, no doubt about it. Again, you're judging by mere appearance. Don't forget the recovery aspects of steroids, as well. A lot of tubby powerlifters use them, remember?
I've heard rumors that the late John "Earthquake" Tenta dabbled in them, as well as Eddie "Umaga" Fatu.
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Jake hit the gym, no doubt about it. Again, you're judging by mere appearance. Don't forget the recovery aspects of steroids, as well. A lot of tubby powerlifters use them, remember?
I've heard rumors that the late John "Earthquake" Tenta dabbled in them, as well as Eddie "Umaga" Fatu.
I know that. Umaga used HGH for recovery and repair. I do recall that.
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I know that. Umaga used HGH for recovery and repair. I do recall that.
Another not-so-muscular guy I would cite would be "The Man They Call....VADER!!"
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Another not-so-muscular guy I would cite would be "The Man They Call....VADER!!"
Vader was built like a powerlifter, so I don't think I would call him "not-so-muscular", he just doesn't fit the carbon copy have to have visible abs of the current roster.
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Another not-so-muscular guy I would cite would be "The Man They Call....VADER!!"
Vader was strong as a bull. I have seen him do standing behind the neck barbell presses with 3 plates aside like it was a feather.
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Lol...I remember him saying this also in his dvd. I cannot see Jake training in a gym unless he is there to use a flat bench to chop his rails.
LOL!!!
Plus, you can't judge solely by appearance.
Exactly.
Shane Helms & JYD also used.
Not everyone who uses AAS does so for the same reason, nor do they develop the same, elite-level, contest-ready physiques.
Big show & Great Kahli used to have good builds believe it or not. I remember when BIg Show was "The Giant" in WCW. He was actually streamlined in his waist and more on the muscular side. Same with Kahli. I guess they figured why use it if they don't need the stuff. There size makes up for it. Some guys just don't know when to put the needle down and that is when you suffer health problems. You cannot take steroids / HGH forever.
Big Show plumped up a lot after he settled into the Fed.
IIRC, Jim Ross got all over him to trim down and shipped his ass to OVW.
That was when JR was VP of Talent.
Vader was built like a powerlifter, so I don't think I would call him "not-so-muscular", he just doesn't fit the carbon copy have to have visible abs of the current roster.
Vader: "When you've got a nice, expensive car, you keep it in a good garage."
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Vader was unbelievable for his size. Moonsaults off the top rope, Vader bombs....just incredible.
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Vader was unbelievable for his size. Moonsaults off the top rope, Vader bombs....just incredible.
He was. Perfect monster heel. Funny that Orndorff beat him down IRL while wearing a pair of flip-flops and with basically one arm..... ;D
As a performer, I always liked Vader.
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He was. Perfect monster heel. Funny that Orndorff beat him down IRL while wearing a pair of flip-flops and with basically one arm..... ;D
As a performer, I always liked Vader.
Just goes to show you that size means nothing. From what I was told, Vader got beat down pretty bad and everyone in the locker room was happy about it because many felt Vader was too stiff in the ring and would hurt people.
I enjoyed Vader as a performer as well and his WCW matches with Sting were legendary.
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He was. Perfect monster heel. Funny that Orndorff beat him down IRL while wearing a pair of flip-flops and with basically one arm..... ;D
I don't even think Vader worked that way to be a dick.
When you listen to him speak (non-kayfabe), he often sounds like a good, innocent person who just loved wrestling and the hard Japanese style.
I don't think he ever did it to take liberties or anything.
Of course, I could be completely wrong; for all anybody truly knows, maybe he got a wood over throwing potatoes. :-\
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I don't even think Vader worked that way to be a dick.
When you listen to him speak (non-kayfabe), he often sounds like a good, innocent person who just loved wrestling and the hard Japanese style.
I don't think he ever did it to take liberties or anything.
Of course, I could be completely wrong; for all anybody truly knows, maybe he got a wood over throwing potatoes. :-\
Vader was monstrous, until they put him against Kane. Then, Kane beat him like he stole something. Next thing you know, Vader is jobbing to Mark Henry (In Your House: Fully Loaded 1998).
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Vader was monstrous, until they put him against Kane. Then, Kane beat him like he stole something. Next thing you know, Vader is jobbing to Mark Henry (In Your House: Fully Loaded 1998).
He cracked him over the head with a monkey wrench. I remember that PPV.
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Now that is a natural physique. No doubt in my mind.
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Now that is a natural physique. No doubt in my mind.
According to Cena, when we peons see someone do something exceptional athletically, we just assume they're on steroids, and, of course, there's no chance of any of us knowing some of the telltale signs of a steroid user.
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HBK, Angle & even Helms were among the ones who werent overly big but still used. It obviously has its benefits and the ones that are on are easy to spot - people the size of Lesnar circa 2002-2003 arent raised on dairy products and red meat like were all lead to believe. Marcus Bagwell always looked good but he blew up in the late 90's. LOD & POP were freakishly big for any generation to be compared to.
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seems like i remember Bob Holly blowing up overnight when he became Hardcore Holly
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Andrew "Test" Martin wanted to come back to WWE and I believe was in talks with them, when an article or something surfaced. In it he was advocating the use of steroids. The deal broke down and he was on TNA a couple weeks later and dead a few weeks after that.
I think the general consensus was that the testing was for some people and not others. Triple H and Cena never lost size. Just a few token suspension here and there for mid-carders. Give the belt to CM Punk the "clean" champ.
Obviously an overreaction to the Benoit incident.
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Andrew "Test" Martin wanted to come back to WWE and I believe was in talks with them, when an article or something surfaced. In it he was advocating the use of steroids. The deal broke down and he was on TNA a couple weeks later and dead a few weeks after that.
I think the general consensus was that the testing was for some people and not others. Triple H and Cena never lost size. Just a few token suspension here and there for mid-carders. Give the belt to CM Punk the "clean" champ.
Obviously an overreaction to the Benoit incident.
HHH has been up and down for a while. He looked amazing from 00-04. Then he got relatively speaking a little chubby and he's fluctuated ever since.
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Andrew "Test" Martin wanted to come back to WWE and I believe was in talks with them, when an article or something surfaced. In it he was advocating the use of steroids. The deal broke down and he was on TNA a couple weeks later and dead a few weeks after that.
I think the general consensus was that the testing was for some people and not others. Triple H and Cena never lost size. Just a few token suspension here and there for mid-carders. Give the belt to CM Punk the "clean" champ.
Obviously an overreaction to the Benoit incident.
Ummmm.....apparently you forgot how big Helmsley was in 2002 (check his match with Hogan for the undisputed title).
Again, every one is simply talking about steroids. The bigger problems are narcotics and painkillers. And, if you don't believe WWE was serious about that, I give you again RVD, who had to drop both the WWE and ECW titles in two days, after popping positive.
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seems like i remember Bob Holly blowing up overnight when he became Hardcore Holly
He didn't blow up overnight. You could see him gradually getting bigger from '97 and '98 (particularly when he was part of the "new" Midnight Express).
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Most guys come into the fed jakked as they will do anything to appear larger then life. After they settle in and hit the A Game, there is no need to have the jakked physique. People want to hear you on the mike and also wrestle.....
You also have to remember there is no test for GH and Insulin which is why people like Cena are able to get away.....and do you think Vince will truly suspend the "A" players like Batista when he was there???
Also is they have scripts from Dr's...case closed...
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He didn't blow up overnight. You could see him gradually getting bigger from '97 and '98 (particularly when he was part of the "new" Midnight Express).
It's hard to grow period when you are in your 30's and on the road 300 days a year gradual or not without some type of assistance.
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Holly added a substantial amount of size in a disproportional amount of time.
Figuratively speaking, "overnight" is an appropriate term to describe his gains.
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Agreed
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Agreed
Holly wasn't exactly a twig in his "Spark Plug" or "Bodacious Bob" days
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Holly wasn't exactly a twig in his "Spark Plug" or "Bodacious Bob" days
That's true but he went from looking like an average guy on the roster to one of the best built guys in the company in a matter of months.
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Ummmm.....apparently you forgot how big Helmsley was in 2002 (check his match with Hogan for the undisputed title).
I'm not talking about nine years ago, I'm talking about the steroid paranoia after the Benoit shit went down.
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I'm not talking about nine years ago, I'm talking about the steroid paranoia after the Benoit shit went down.
You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you're getting at is: Triple H's size immediately prior to the Benoit incident was relatively similar to his size following it.
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You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you're getting at is: Triple H's size immediately prior to the Benoit incident was relatively similar to his size following it.
Exactly, the top guys stayed the same. where as mentioned earlier Chris Master (and others) shrunk quite a bit.
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Exactly, the top guys stayed the same. where as mentioned earlier Chris Master (and others) shrunk quite a bit.
Yeah, I knew what you meant.
From day one, I suspected the Wellness Policy to be more of a “convenience policy.”
It would be an easy “reason” for management to conveniently get rid of someone with whom they might otherwise have a more difficult time:
Wrestler “X” is being an uncooperative dick, and/or we suspect he'll act up and cause some kind of problems down the road.
We can’t lawfully fire him for that, so lets use the real results of his piss test to “can” him.
Of course, it was also used as an "acknowledgement" to the Benoit incident.
Vince had to do something publicly in response to that.
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Exactly, the top guys stayed the same. where as mentioned earlier Chris Master (and others) shrunk quite a bit.
But, Masters suffered a major injury, a severly torn pec which you can obviously see.
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Most guys come into the fed jakked as they will do anything to appear larger then life. After they settle in and hit the A Game, there is no need to have the jakked physique. People want to hear you on the mike and also wrestle.....
You also have to remember there is no test for GH and Insulin which is why people like Cena are able to get away.....and do you think Vince will truly suspend the "A" players like Batista when he was there???
Also is they have scripts from Dr's...case closed...
He's suspended them before, just like RVD and Jeff Hardy.
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RVD was far from a top guy when he was suspended. I think Rey had to drop the ICC to Morrison because of a wellness suspension.
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RVD was far from a top guy when he was suspended. I think Rey had to drop the ICC to Morrison because of a wellness suspension.
RVD was used to recreate ECW; they gave him TWO world titles, one of which he won at John Cena's expense.
Yet, he had to drop the WWE title to Edge and the ECW World title to Big Show, because of his failed drug test.
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I thought this thread was about "steroid testing?" i highly doubt that was what RVD was suspended for.....4:20 baby !!!!! ;D
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No he was. That's why he was so pissed.
I thought it was about recent drug testing though (Mason Ryan). That seems to be the disconect.
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No he was. That's why he was so pissed.
I thought it was about recent drug testing though (Mason Ryan). That seems to be the disconect.
RVD was on the gas ?!? I always assumed it was for weed or some other rec drug. He probably just an enhanced jug of Plasmosis !!
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WWE's Wellness Policy isn't just about steroids, especially since those are the drugs that seems to be killing people. It's the painkillers and narcotics.
And, as I've mentioned several times, the roid users ain't just the one with bodybuilder-type physiques. Remember guys like Jake Roberts were taking 'roids. And Umaga got suspended and eventually fired, as well for the policy violation. He was reported to be using anabolics, as well.
Now, we learn that Jeff Hardy has been busted for possessing narcotics AND anabolic steroids. So, is it safe to say he may have been using the latter, himself? Of course, few would peg him as a steroid-user, simply because he wasn't/isn't built like Cena, Batista, or even John Morrison.
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I thought this thread was about "steroid testing?"
Correct: The Wellness Policy encompasses more than steroids, but this thread is about steroids, specifically, as indicated in the title.
Your post is absolutely correct and accurate.
I'm sure everyone here agrees about that.
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WWE's Wellness Policy isn't just about steroids, especially since those are the drugs that seems to be killing people. It's the painkillers and narcotics.
And, as I've mentioned several times, the roid users ain't just the one with bodybuilder-type physiques. Remember guys like Jake Roberts were taking 'roids. And Umaga got suspended and eventually fired, as well for the policy violation. He was reported to be using anabolics, as well.
Now, we learn that Jeff Hardy has been busted for possessing narcotics AND anabolic steroids. So, is it safe to say he may have been using the latter, himself? Of course, few would peg him as a steroid-user, simply because he wasn't/isn't built like Cena, Batista, or even John Morrison.
Interestingly enough steroids are something they watch but it is really more of the pains and sleep meds. If you look at most of the deaths over the yrs it is really due to these 2 avenues rather than the roids themselves....
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Interestingly enough steroids are something they watch but it is really more of the pains and sleep meds. If you look at most of the deaths over the yrs it is really due to these 2 avenues rather than the roids themselves....
^^ Now, if only the media & public could catch onto this...
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Correct: The Wellness Policy encompasses more than steroids, but this thread is about steroids, specifically, as indicated in the title.
Your post is absolutely correct and accurate.
I'm sure everyone here agrees about that.
But, we've seen people get popped for roids. And, as stated earlier, it ain't just the super-muscular guys as demonstrated by the suspensions of guys like Sabu (and perhaps, RVD), Jeff Hardy, and Umaga. :D
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Here's an example of how Vince tests his top stars:
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Here's an example of how Vince tests his top stars:
;D ;D
The "other" Hot Rod.
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In the late eighties / early ninties Howard Finkle's urine was used to bypass Hogan's tests. It all came out in the 1992 Steroid Trial of McMahon.
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With the pounding that these guys take in the ring, is Chris Masters taking any risk by injecting synthol into his pecs?
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In the late eighties / early ninties Howard Finkle's urine was used to bypass Hogan's tests. It all came out in the 1992 Steroid Trial of McMahon.
You mean Finkle was natty? :o
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With the pounding that these guys take in the ring, is Chris Masters taking any risk by injecting synthol into his pecs?
That's a good question.
I know one of the divas apparently popped a saline implant years ago - can't remember who, though.
I'm not sure how the synthol could work.
JMO, but I think long-term synthol use is bad for the body.
Plus, frequent use increases the incident for risk...just ask Milos & Valentino.
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That's a good question.
I know one of the divas apparently popped a saline implant years ago - can't remember who, though.
I'm not sure how the synthol could work.
JMO, but I think long-term synthol use is bad for the body.
Plus, frequent use increases the incident for risk...just ask Milos & Valentino.
I believe it happened to Chyna back in 2000-2001.
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I believe it happened to Chyna back in 2000-2001.
I believe you're right.
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With the pounding that these guys take in the ring, is Chris Masters taking any risk by injecting synthol into his pecs?
His pec is torn. How is Synthol going to help him?
Plus, it won't help his in-ring performance, anyway.
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No, Masters is not taking synthol. It would be ridiculous as it would do absolutely nothing for him in that business. But something is defiantely wrong with his pecs. They look more like female breasts. Like bad gyno or something. Maybe a genetic thing.
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No, Masters is not taking synthol. It would be ridiculous as it would do absolutely nothing for him in that business. But something is defiantely wrong with his pecs. They look more like female breasts. Like bad gyno or something. Maybe a genetic thing.
Performance-wise, no.
The only pupose(s) the oil serves is cosmetic/appearance.
Lots of "experts" between 99-02 swore that HHH used synthol for site injections.
I honestly don't know how prevalent its use is among today's performers, but I never heard of or saw anyone using it.
Balls Mahoney once talked to me in detail about what he "did" to trim down & get in shape back around 2003.
It was quite the candid conversation - especially considering he'd only met me that afternoon.
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Sure looks like synthol.
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I'm no synthol expert, but, that right pec looks like a torn muscle balled up underneath the skin.
Did he have surgery? Doesn't look like it.
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I'm no synthol expert, but, that right pec looks like a torn muscle balled up underneath the skin.
Did he have surgery? Doesn't look like it.
WHo knows. It looks really f***d up though. Stretch marks and all.