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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: devilsmile on February 20, 2011, 01:13:48 AM
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So that's how you win the unstoppable lol
I guess the old 200lbs "heavy weight" era is over... it's the much heavyer guys with great sambo/jiu jitsu backround that rule now.
"He's an underweight heavyweight and he's finding that out tonight". well said.
sure he didn't knock him down but he wone.
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Fedor has been done for a long time. It's just that they kept feeding him cans....
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your hate is epic.
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Fedor picked the easy opponent and got his ass handed to him by a 5-1 underdog.
That is down right embarrassing.
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Fedor picked the easy opponent and got his ass handed to him by a 5-1 underdog.
That is down right embarrassing.
Here are some facts for you:
1. Silva outweighted Fedor by 57 lbs. That is like the difference in weight between BJ Penn and Lyoto Machida!
2. Fedor won the first round according to the judges score cards.
3. Fedor lost due to a doctor stoppage. He wasn't KOd or embarassed in the cage ok. It should have been ruled a no-contest just like in his second fight with Nogueira.
4. Fedor took on a younger and much bigger&stronger fighter and held his own against him going 1-1 on two rounds.
5. Fedor retired, so all of this doesen't matter. Let it go.
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Here are some facts for you:
1. Silva outweighted Fedor by 57 lbs. That is like the difference in weight between BJ Penn and Lyoto Machida!
2. Fedor won the first round according to the judges score cards.
3. Fedor lost due to a doctor stoppage. He wasn't KOd or embarassed in the cage ok. It should have been ruled a no-contest just like in his second fight with Nogueira.
4. Fedor took on a younger and much bigger&stronger fighter and held his own against him going 1-1 on two rounds.
5. Fedor retired, so all of this doesen't matter. Let it go.
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He's fought bigger and stronger guys before...what's you point?
Yes, he held his own in the 1st round. In the second he was completely humiliated. All he could do was flop from his back to his stomach while getting punched.
He didn't complain when the doc stopped the fight. It was clear he'd had enough.
And, last I checked he has not retired. M1 won't let him...lol.
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Here are some facts for you:
1. Silva outweighted Fedor by 57 lbs. That is like the difference in weight between BJ Penn and Lyoto Machida!
2. Fedor won the first round according to the judges score cards.
3. Fedor lost due to a doctor stoppage. He wasn't KOd or embarassed in the cage ok. It should have been ruled a no-contest just like in his second fight with Nogueira.
4. Fedor took on a younger and much bigger&stronger fighter and held his own against him going 1-1 on two rounds.
5. Fedor retired, so all of this doesen't matter. Let it go.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The current #1 ranked HW in the world has no problem hanging with the 'new breed' of HW size and speed. He is about the same size as Fedor too.
Fedor won a round against a 5-1 underdog. He still got demolished in his last two fights. He has not officially retired, but he mosy likely should considering his recent performances.
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LMFAO This is so great.
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What kind of Light heavyweight would Fedor make if he ever decided to take "getting into shape" serious?
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What kind of Light heavyweight would Fedor make if he ever decided to take "getting into shape" serious?
A mediocre one at best.
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A mediocre one at best.
all of your posts revolve around the great Fedor
you can't hate somebody that much for being "mediocre" ::)
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all of your posts revolve around the great Fedor
you can't hate somebody that much for being "mediocre" ::)
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I can't speak for weighpshr, but I can't stand Fedor because he is an overrated fighter who allowed himself to be manipulated by his management team.
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I can't speak for weighpshr, but I can't stand Fedor because he is an overrated fighter who allowed himself to be manipulated by his management team.
so who had a better career?
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Better career? It depends how you define that. I would say Randy Couture. He held belts in two divisions, won some epic battles, came back from devastating losses, made a pile of money, fought the best in his divisions, never ducked a fight, was inducted into the hall of fame and he's still going.
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oh brother ::) ::)
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so who had a better career?
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I would never say anyone had the "best" career of all time, but I can think of MANY fighters who have accomplished more in the sport. Randy is one of the fighters I respect most. He has evolved, and accomplished so much in MMA, and to top it off, he's almost 50 and still fighting some of the best in the world. No other fighter in the sport has evolved like he has. That is hard to do.
Hughes, GSP, Anderson, BJ are all fighters that have had remarkable careers. Fedor was a big fish in a small pond, and showed that he has been unable to evolve with the sport. He also ducked fights that the MAJORITY of fans wanted to see. This is what really tarnished MY opinion of him.
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I would never say anyone had the "best" career of all time, but I can think of MANY fighters who have accomplished more in the sport. Randy is one of the fighters I respect most. He has evolved, and accomplished so much in MMA, and to top it off, he's almost 50 and still fighting some of the best in the world. No other fighter in the sport has evolved like he has. That is hard to do.
Hughes, GSP, Anderson, BJ are all fighters that have had remarkable careers. Fedor was a big fish in a small pond, and showed that he has been unable to evolve with the sport. He also ducked fights that the MAJORITY of fans wanted to see. This is what really tarnished MY opinion of him.
Didn't Bas Rutten recently say GSP is a novice Mma fighter?
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Didn't Bas Rutten recently say GSP is a novice Mma fighter?
I never saw this, but if true, this would surely confirm that Bas has been hit in ht head too many times and has not gotten over his Benadryl and Vicodin addcition :o
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I would never say anyone had the "best" career of all time, but I can think of MANY fighters who have accomplished more in the sport. Randy is one of the fighters I respect most. He has evolved, and accomplished so much in MMA, and to top it off, he's almost 50 and still fighting some of the best in the world. No other fighter in the sport has evolved like he has. That is hard to do.
Hughes, GSP, Anderson, BJ are all fighters that have had remarkable careers. Fedor was a big fish in a small pond, and showed that he has been unable to evolve with the sport. He also ducked fights that the MAJORITY of fans wanted to see. This is what really tarnished MY opinion of him.
randy squeaks out decisions against brandon vera, and he had the best career ::)
and you say that fedor was pampered, who was pampered more than randy other than brock?
could you possibly be more of a ufc ball licker?
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Fedor was a stud who probably let time and circumstances get the best of him before he could maximize his legacy...
nothing more nothing less !
for all anyone knows, he'll fight again and start kicking ass !
tell ya one thing,put him and Werdum back in the cage again, and I'd bet big on Fedor.
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randy squeaks out decisions against brandon vera, and he had the best career ::)
and you say that fedor was pampered, who was pampered more than randy other than brock?
could you possibly be more of a ufc ball licker?
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By saying Randy was pampered, you've lost all credibility. The guy fought the best LHW & HW fighters of the last 10 yrs. He didn't win them all, but he never ducked a fight.
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By saying Randy was pampered, you've lost all credibility. The guy fought the best LHW & HW fighters of the last 10 yrs. He didn't win them all, but he never ducked a fight.
he was handed a heavyweight title fight against tim sylvia after being "retired" and handed a interim title fight with chuck
you have the nerve to say Fedor fought cans and then say that randy fought the best heavyweights? who? pedro rizzo? maruice smith? ricco rodriquez LOSS who are the great heavyweights he fought? are you including tim sylvia in that argument and than excluding him for Fedor? does an old Nog count for randy (brutal loss) but not Fedor?
he did not fight the best lhw's unless you consider chuck, vitor, and tito to be the best ::)
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he was handed a heavyweight title fight against tim sylvia after being "retired" and handed a interim title fight with chuck
you have the nerve to say Fedor fought cans and then say that randy fought the best heavyweights? who? pedro rizzo? maruice smith? ricco rodriquez LOSS who are the great heavyweights he fought? are you including tim sylvia in that argument and than excluding him for Fedor? does an old Nog count for randy (brutal loss) but not Fedor?
he did not fight the best lhw's unless you consider chuck, vitor, and tito to be the best ::)
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Excellent post
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he was handed a heavyweight title fight against tim sylvia after being "retired" and handed a interim title fight with chuck
you have the nerve to say Fedor fought cans and then say that randy fought the best heavyweights? who? pedro rizzo? maruice smith? ricco rodriquez LOSS who are the great heavyweights he fought? are you including tim sylvia in that argument and than excluding him for Fedor? does an old Nog count for randy (brutal loss) but not Fedor?
he did not fight the best lhw's unless you consider chuck, vitor, and tito to be the best ::)
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Earl, you are missing the point here. Fedor's record and quality of opponents can be debated as can Fedor's or any other fighter. I will say it again, it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to say who had the 'best' career because there are so many factors involved. It's totally subjective.
I say Randy has had one of the best careers because of his longevity, ability to evolve as a complete fighter, and the fact that at nearly 50 yrs of age, he's still a competitive fighter. He has established a respected gym to train at as well. Randy has done a ton for the sport and is a huge reason why the sport has taken off like it has.
Not to mention he has been in a couple of decent sized Hollywood films.
When you look at all he has accomplished, you'd have to be a fool to say that it's not remarkable....and to top it off, he is still fighting some of the best in the world at 50!!!! Do you realize most don't make it into their late 30's at this level?
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Excellent post
At the time, these were top ranked guys. If you want to compare records, many of Fedor's fights were not against top ranked guys at the time.
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he was handed a heavyweight title fight against tim sylvia after being "retired" and handed a interim title fight with chuck
you have the nerve to say Fedor fought cans and then say that randy fought the best heavyweights? who? pedro rizzo? maruice smith? ricco rodriquez LOSS who are the great heavyweights he fought? are you including tim sylvia in that argument and than excluding him for Fedor? does an old Nog count for randy (brutal loss) but not Fedor?
he did not fight the best lhw's unless you consider chuck, vitor, and tito to be the best ::)
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Randy beating Tim was one of the greatest moments in MMA history. He was coming off losses and out of retirement. He was moving up a weight class. And, he was going up against a really bad match up with a Tim Silvia in him prime. No one gave him a chance and most hoped he would come out of that fight without serious injury. Against all odds, he beat the bigger & younger man. It was an epic fight, which cemented his legacy.
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Randy beating Tim was one of the greatest moments in MMA history. He was coming off losses and out of retirement. He was moving up a weight class. And, he was going up against a really bad match up with a Tim Silvia in him prime. No one gave him a chance and most hoped he would come out of that fight without serious injury. Against all odds, he beat the bigger & younger man. It was an epic fight, which cemented his legacy.
and sylvia according to you is a can when Fedor SHORTER AND FATTER than randy beats him in less than a minute ::)
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and sylvia according to you is a can when Fedor SHORTER AND FATTER than randy beats him in less than a minute ::)
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If you read my post, you'll see that I said Randy beat Tim in his "prime". By the time Fedor got to him, Tim had already been cut from the UFC and was losing pretty much every fight he was in. Nice try ::)
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If you read my post, you'll see that I said Randy beat Tim in his "prime". By the time Fedor got to him, Tim had already been cut from the UFC and was losing pretty much every fight he was in. Nice try ::)
I think being beaten down by a smaller senior citizen really took that last bit of dignity that Sylvia had.
He did not recover.
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If you read my post, you'll see that I said Randy beat Tim in his "prime". By the time Fedor got to him, Tim had already been cut from the UFC and was losing pretty much every fight he was in. Nice try ::)
he beat brandon vera (who randy barely beat) and then lost to Nog in a heavyweight title fight, right before he was destroyed by Fedor
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If you read my post, you'll see that I said Randy beat Tim in his "prime". By the time Fedor got to him, Tim had already been cut from the UFC and was losing pretty much every fight he was in. Nice try ::)
Im sorry, i dont like to be negative or argumentative especially on a board, but do you keep track of peoples careers? Most true fans dont need to, but if you Google his career stats then you'll see he was 1 - 1 when he fought Fedor and had absolutely dominated Nog in their meeting. Your lack of overall knowledge is very disappointing especially for someone that is a moderator, & your lack of true understanding in some matters is quite odd as you seem to simply look at someones record on Wikipedia or, if you can get there, Sherdog and see only the W or L - not the performance.
IMO Sylvia's true prime was 2003 - 2005, about the time he fought McGee and shouted at the camera "bring on Fedor" (i think it was Mike G that relayed it back in a somewhat cocky manner - the man is an idiot) which would have put Fedor a year or 2 before his true prime. He was still dismantling decent guys, some much bigger and stronger than him, in a little over a minute and then went on to dominate the Japanese MMA scene uncontested. There has never been a stage of his career where i could see Sylvia ever being a threat to Fedor, he could have fought in Japan if he wanted to prove it but opted to fight nobodies (thats all the UFC had at that point in time with the exception of a then decent Mir & Arlovski).
Sorry about that.
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he beat brandon vera (who randy barely beat) and then lost to Nog in a heavyweight title fight, right before he was destroyed by Fedor
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This should make it a little easier for you Earl....
Fedor is retiring at 35.
Randy wasn't even in his prime at 35....and he's still fighting at 50!
See what happens when you carry 50+lbs of fat on your body for most of your career. It takes a toll.
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Im sorry, i dont like to be negative or argumentative especially on a board, but do you keep track of peoples careers? Most true fans dont need to, but if you Google his career stats then you'll see he was 1 - 1 when he fought Fedor and had absolutely dominated Nog in their meeting. Your lack of overall knowledge is very disappointing especially for someone that is a moderator, & your lack of true understanding in some matters is quite odd as you seem to simply look at someones record on Wikipedia or, if you can get there, Sherdog and see only the W or L - not the performance.
IMO Sylvia's true prime was 2003 - 2005, about the time he fought McGee and shouted at the camera "bring on Fedor" (i think it was Mike G that relayed it back in a somewhat cocky manner - the man is an idiot) which would have put Fedor a year or 2 before his true prime. He was still dismantling decent guys, some much bigger and stronger than him, in a little over a minute and then went on to dominate the Japanese MMA scene uncontested. There has never been a stage of his career where i could see Sylvia ever being a threat to Fedor, he could have fought in Japan if he wanted to prove it but opted to fight nobodies (thats all the UFC had at that point in time with the exception of a then decent Mir & Arlovski).
Sorry about that.
Cliffs?
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This should make it a little easier for you Earl....
Fedor is retiring at 35.
Randy wasn't even in his prime at 35....and he's still fighting at 50!
See what happens when you carry 50+lbs of fat on your body for most of your career. It takes a toll.
randy keeps fighting and his career record still pales in comparison, no sane person will think of him in the same class as Fedor who most will say is the best of all time
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Cliffs?
here are the cliffs
you and mindspin got owned
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Cliffs?
Im sorry i dont understand what you mean by cliffs. I realise im setting myself up for a "bashing" here but ill be honest and say im at a loss.
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Im sorry i dont understand what you mean by cliffs. I realise im setting myself up for a "bashing" here but ill be honest and say im at a loss.
don't worry, i took care of it
mindspin and weight suffered yet another vicious and brutal owning
they will be back for more, we will make them look like ufc 2 time 2 time champ tim sylvia in the Fedor fight 8)
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Oh no...I'm "owned" ::)
Yo, Granite, since you seem to be a historian of the sport, please share with the board how many of Fedor's wins are over opponents with more losses than wins on their record and/or with less than 5 fights...
As for Randy, Earl, you asked who had the greatest career, not who was the best. Two totally different questions. Yes, Fedor is arguably the best heavyweight ever. I base that, not on his record, but on the battles he won during his prime. His career, though, is a joke. He completely tarnished his legacy and he is going out a loser.
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nobody has more quality wins than the great Fedor
the only way he tarnished his career is by proving to be human, everybody knows he is the best ever just not a cyborg
going out a loser? now start naming great boxers and mma fighters that all retired undefeated, who the hell retires while they are still winning? i'm waiting...
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Only 3, and 2 of those fighters had Fedor as their second opponent (one debuting against Crocop). The 3rd fighter - Lee Hasdell - is better best forgotten as the UK's trail blazer in MMA. He was shockingly bad, met him in London when i was a youngster and didnt think much of him even back then. The first UK fighter to catch my eye was Lee Remedios, very decent fighter.
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Randy beating Tim was one of the greatest moments in MMA history. He was coming off losses and out of retirement. He was moving up a weight class. And, he was going up against a really bad match up with a Tim Silvia in him prime. No one gave him a chance and most hoped he would come out of that fight without serious injury. Against all odds, he beat the bigger & younger man. It was an epic fight, which cemented his legacy.
Ok- I've stayed away from this topic and the board in general for a little bit, but this is fucking absurd. Are you kidding me with this horseshit?
Randy Coture beating Tim Sylvia was one of the greatest moments in MMA history? You really need your brain examined and need to have UFC themed anal beads surgically removed from your ass. If there was any doubt that you know less than nothing about MMA and are a complete and utter UFC ball polisher, that doubt just went out the window.
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nobody has more quality wins than the great Fedor
the only way he tarnished his career is by proving to be human, everybody knows he is the best ever just not a cyborg
going out a loser? now start naming great boxers and mma fighters that all retired undefeated, who the hell retires while they are still winning? i'm waiting...
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He's not a loser because he is retiring with losses. He is a looser because for the last 5 years of his career he ducked the best in the sport and chose to fight subpar fighters. Fedor could have gone to the UFC and had he beaten the top 5 in the #1 org in the world, he would retire with mythical status. Even if he had lost, he would have lost against the best. Instead he chose to fight cans like Hong Man Choi, middle weights like Linland and 3rd tier fighters like Brett Rogers. Everyone knows that Fedor squandered what could have been an amazing ending to his career....loser.
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nobody has more quality wins than the great Fedor
the only way he tarnished his career is by proving to be human, everybody knows he is the best ever just not a cyborg
going out a loser? now start naming great boxers and mma fighters that all retired undefeated, who the hell retires while they are still winning? i'm waiting...
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The quality of wins is always going to be subjective....
What is fact is that Fedor dodged the fights that people wanted to see to protect his record the last several years. He even dodged Overeem.
This is what really makes him a loser and chump. It makes his entire career a little suspect if you know what I mean. You take the Japanese Mob (Yakuza) and Fedor's management, and I can assume some pretty interesting things were created.
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nope you can't claim he fought cans any more after calling randy's win over sylvia "one of the best moments in ufc history" when Fedor beat him in less than a minute
i honestly don't think randy would beat hong man choi, that would be a poor match up for a wrestler like randy
how is rodgers 3rd tier when he has been ranked in the top 10 ::)
and stop speaking for "everybody", you only speak for the tuffers
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The quality of wins is always going to be subjective....
What is fact is that Fedor dodged the fights that people wanted to see to protect his record the last several years. He even dodged Overeem.
This is what really makes him a loser and chump. It makes his entire career a little suspect if you know what I mean. You take the Japanese Mob (Yakuza) and Fedor's management, and I can assume some pretty interesting things were created.
uh no you cannot say that wins over pedro rizzo were better than wins over big nog, not subjective
randy is the most overrated fighter ever, heck look at all the losses
and randy uses ped's, NEXT
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uh no you cannot say that wins over pedro rizzo were better than wins over big nog, not subjective
randy is the most overrated fighter ever, heck look at all the losses
and randy uses ped's, NEXT
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Fedor is the most overrated fighter ever. His fights were fixed and the ones that weren't were with cans.
Next....
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uh no you cannot say that wins over pedro rizzo were better than wins over big nog, not subjective
randy is the most overrated fighter ever, heck look at all the losses
and randy uses ped's, NEXT
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This is exactly why I said you can't say who is the best. MY OPINION is Randy for reasons stated above.
Now you are getting foolish and trolling....Randy uses PED? Please post a link for proof?
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Fedor is the most overrated fighter ever. His fights were fixed and the ones that weren't were with cans.
Next....
Randy Couture has a 19-10 record and has losses to studs such as Valenejin Overeem, Mikhail Illoukhine and Enson Inoue. In his only meaningful HW fights against legitimate opponents, he lost to Brock Lesnar, Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez. Most recently he beat MMA superstars such as James Toney and a crippled Mark Coleman that hasn't has a decent fight in at least 5 years. Lets also not forget losing to Nog and getting a complete an utter gift against Brandon Vera ( which I think ruined Vera's career BTW).
Take away Randys age and the fact that he beat Chuck Lidell once ( and lost twice), and he's not even a top 25 fighter of all time. Comparing him to Fedor is patently ridiculous. Randy on his best day wouldn't make it out of round 1 against the version of Fedor that got manhandled by Bigfoot Silva.
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Randy Couture has a 19-10 record and has losses to studs such as Valenejin Overeem, Mikhail Illoukhine and Enson Inoue. In his only meaningful HW fights against legitimate opponents, he lost to Brock Lesnar, Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez. Most recently he beat MMA superstars such as James Toney and a crippled Mark Coleman that hasn't has a decent fight in at least 5 years. Lets also not forget losing to Nog and getting a complete an utter gift against Brandon Vera ( which I think ruined Vera's career BTW).
Take away Randys age and the fact that he beat Chuck Lidell once ( and lost twice), and he's not even a top 25 fighter of all time. Comparing him to Fedor is patently ridiculous. Randy on his best day wouldn't make it out of round 1 against the version of Fedor that got manhandled by Bigfoot Silva.
There is more to Randy's career than his record....
Who do you think has done more for the success of MMA in their career?
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Fedor is the most overrated fighter ever. His fights were fixed and the ones that weren't were with cans.
Next....
so who is better? randy hahaha
what proof do you have that his fights were fixed? he wasn't even close to being japan's most popular fighter so i can't wait to hear how you "know" this ::)
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There is more to Randy's career than his record....
Who do you think has done more for the success of MMA in their career?
so by your logic forrest griffin and stephan bonnar had two of the best careers ever ::)
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so by your logic forrest griffin and stephan bonnar had two of the best careers ever ::)
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now you're just trolling...come on. Once the Pride generation dies out, Fedor will be nothing but a footnote in the history of MMA. Guys like Couture will live on a legends.
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so who is better? randy hahaha
what proof do you have that his fights were fixed? he wasn't even close to being japan's most popular fighter so i can't wait to hear how you "know" this ::)
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What proof do you have that Randy uses PEDs?
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so by your logic forrest griffin and stephan bonnar had two of the best careers ever ::)
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They were CERTAINLY more meaningful careers in regards to what they have done for MMA.
I would bet a good amount of money that Forrest has made more money than Fedor too.
By your logic Antonio McKee is a better fighter than GSP? Mckee went 10 years without a loss and has a better record (Although he got cut after not being able to cut it in the UFC against a mediocre opponent)
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now you're just trolling...come on. Once the Pride generation dies out, Fedor will be nothing but a footnote in the history of MMA. Guys like Couture will live on a legends.
hahah i'm the troll, the biggest troll is calling me a troll hahaha
yes fedor will be forgotten the more you tuf cockroaches expand, in your minds anything that happened outside of the ufc never happened
couture on his best day couldn't beat fedor on his worst, he has shit hands and no submissions, most overrated fighter ever and if he wasn't such a "nice guy" nobody would care about him
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What proof do you have that Randy uses PEDs?
joe rogan saying he is on hgh on some radio show, due to his age it's legal i guess
what proof do you have layne norton is on?
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They were CERTAINLY more meaningful careers in regards to what they have done for MMA.
I would bet a good amount of money that Forrest has made more money than Fedor too.
By your logic Antonio McKee is a better fighter than GSP? Mckee went 10 years without a loss and has a better record (Although he got cut after not being able to cut it in the UFC against a mediocre opponent)
the point is you are a ufc ball licker and fedor owns your mind, what reason would you have to come to getbig if Fedor didn't exist?
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the point is you are a ufc ball licker and fedor owns your mind, what reason would you have to come to getbig if Fedor didn't exist?
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Look at my post history, I do post about other things than Fedor. Problem is that a lot of you chumps on here always turn to bringing up Pride and how great it was. Seems like every thread turns into you telling us how you love Fedor like a bother and want him to father your children.
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The only thing Earl would love more than being inseminated by Fedor, is being inseminated by Leverone. Oh wait, he'd probably prefer to get gangbanged by both...lol.
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LMAOOOO- Now we are going to judge a fighters quality based on what they have supposedly done for MMA, and not their record or fighting ability? ::)
Brilliant idea. Lets eliminate objective criteria like wins and losses, quality of opponents and what the rest of the fighting world says. Instead, lets base the comparison on what one needledick message board moderator thinks one of the fighters has done for the sport.
Both of you (or I should say MS) have turned this entire argument into a complete and utter joke. Hate Fedor all you want; the bottom line is that Randy Couture isn't a pimple on Fedors ass fighting wise and everyone except you knows it.
Just like your other hero Brock Lesnar, Randy is a creation of Dana White marketing and hype. He is nothing but an old man who was past his prime before he even stepped into the octagon. His only impressive career wins have come against Tito Ortiz and Chuck Lidell. Other than that he has done absolutely shit in the sport of MMA besides getting his ass kicked by chuck twice, getting pounded out by Brock Lesnar and suffering losses to Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez.
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The only thing Earl would love more than being inseminated by Fedor, is being inseminated by Leverone. Oh wait, he'd probably prefer to get gangbanged by both...lol.
yes I am a fan of the best fighter and the man I feel was the best bodybuilder, nothing more nothing less
i think you and weightpshr are the ones with a "thing" for the great Fedor
the way you post about him so much with ridiculous comments, it's like the little girl in school constantly picking on the boy she likes
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Look at my post history, I do post about other things than Fedor. Problem is that a lot of you chumps on here always turn to bringing up Pride and how great it was. Seems like every thread turns into you telling us how you love Fedor like a bother and want him to father your children.
well if i had to pick another man to father my children, i think Fedor would be pretty close to the top of the list
it would be an honor to raise the future best fighter in the world
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LMAOOOO- Now we are going to judge a fighters quality based on what they have supposedly done for MMA, and not their record or fighting ability?
Brilliant idea. Lets eliminate objective criteria like wins and losses, quality of opponents and what the rest of the fighting world says. Instead, lets base the comparison on what one needledick message board moderator thinks one of the fighters has done for the sport.
Both of you (or I should say MS) have turned this entire argument into a complete and utter joke. Hate Fedor all you want; the bottom line is that Randy Couture isn't a pimple on Fedors ass fighting wise and everyone except you knows it.
Just like your other hero Brock Lesnar, Randy is a creation of Dana White marketing and hype. He is nothing but an old man who was past his prime before he even stepped into the octagon. His only impressive career wins have come against Tito Ortiz and Chuck Lidell. Other than that he has done absolutely shit in the sport of MMA besides getting his ass kicked by chuck twice, getting pounded out by Brock Lesnar and suffering losses to Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez.
Oh fuck, now this is a brutal anal fucking. MindSpin, you got fucking owned brother.
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well if i had to pick another man to father my children, i think Fedor would be pretty close to the top of the list
it would be an honor to raise the future best fighter in the world
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LMAOOOO- Now we are going to judge a fighters quality based on what they have supposedly done for MMA, and not their record or fighting ability? ::)
Brilliant idea. Lets eliminate objective criteria like wins and losses, quality of opponents and what the rest of the fighting world says. Instead, lets base the comparison on what one needledick message board moderator thinks one of the fighters has done for the sport.
Both of you (or I should say MS) have turned this entire argument into a complete and utter joke. Hate Fedor all you want; the bottom line is that Randy Couture isn't a pimple on Fedors ass fighting wise and everyone except you knows it.
Just like your other hero Brock Lesnar, Randy is a creation of Dana White marketing and hype. He is nothing but an old man who was past his prime before he even stepped into the octagon. His only impressive career wins have come against Tito Ortiz and Chuck Lidell. Other than that he has done absolutely shit in the sport of MMA besides getting his ass kicked by chuck twice, getting pounded out by Brock Lesnar and suffering losses to Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez.
Let me make this easy for you...Nobody can ever prove who is the 'best' fighter.
Almost everything about this sport is very subjective. Records don't tell the whole story.
Look at Jason Reinhart or Antonio Mckee...they seemed to dominate until they got to the UFC. By looking at their records you would think they were legendary.
There are fighters in this sport I respect greatly, ALL for very different reasons.
Is that clear enough for you.
BTW..Fedor is not one of the fighters I respect greatly. Dodging fights people want to see is a cowardly move in my opinion.
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what game? i have completely destroyed you in every mma argument
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what game? i have completely destroyed you in every mma argument
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Serious question here....
Assuming you are hetero, would you film Fedor nailing your wife, or would you just sit there and rub one out while watching?
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the comment before was having another man father your children, like that episode of "coach" where he was trying to get troy aikman to father his child because he was sterile, troy was going rub one out into a cup and then artificially inseminate coaches wife
if i can't have kids and i had to choose another man to be the father of a child i raised, Fedor would be the best choice as far as mma fighters go
who else should i choose? some insecure mental midget like georges st. pierre? hell no i want the alpha of all alphas, FEDOR EMELIANENKO
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the comment before was having another man father your children, like that episode of "coach" where he was trying to get troy aikman to father his child because he was sterile, troy was going rub one out into a cup and then artificially inseminate coaches wife
if i can't have kids and i had to choose another man to be the father of a child i raised, Fedor would be the best choice as far as mma fighters go
who else should i choose? some insecure mental midget like georges st. pierre? hell no i want the alpha of all alphas, FEDOR EMELIANENKO
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No further explanation needed....thanks for clarifying.
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the comment before was having another man father your children, like that episode of "coach" where he was trying to get troy aikman to father his child because he was sterile, troy was going rub one out into a cup and then artificially inseminate coaches wife
if i can't have kids and i had to choose another man to be the father of a child i raised, Fedor would be the best choice as far as mma fighters go
who else should i choose? some insecure mental midget like georges st. pierre? hell no i want the alpha of all alphas, FEDOR EMELIANENKO
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OMG....you're one of those cuckold guys. Explains everything!
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OMG....you're one of those cuckold guys. Explains everything!
wrong ::)
a cuckold enjoys seeing his woman get banged by another man, not my thing
when a man is sterile and wants to have a kid with his woman, they choose a sperm donor
FEDOR would be my donor out of all mma fighters
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wrong ::)
a cuckold enjoys seeing his woman get banged by another man, not my thing
when a man is sterile and wants to have a kid with his woman, they choose a sperm donor
FEDOR would be my donor out of all mma fighters
hope this helps
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Seeing that I don't know any MMA fighter well enough to even consider having them father any children, I guess I'm happy for you that you worship Fedor so greatly that you would allow him the privilege of fathering your children.
I'm happy for you...I guess.
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Seeing that I don't know any MMA fighter well enough to even consider having them father any children, I guess I'm happy for you that you worship Fedor so greatly that you would allow him the privilege of fathering your children.
I'm happy for you...I guess.
you would know an mma fighter better than any anonymous donor
there is no doubt in my mind Fedor would be your choice too, you can't hate somebody that much without greatly admiring them
there is a fine line between love and hate, but both are fueled by passion ;)
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a cuckold enjoys seeing his woman get banged by another man, not my thing
when a man is sterile and wants to have a kid with his woman, they choose a sperm donor
FEDOR would be my donor out of all mma fighters
hope this helps
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you would know an mma fighter better than any anonymous donor
there is no doubt in my mind Fedor would be your choice too, you can't hate somebody that much without greatly admiring them
there is a fine line between love and hate, but both are fueled by passion ;)
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Enough of the talk about Fedor fathering your children...you have made it very clear for all of us.
Now, what is there for me to hate about Fedor these days? Did he win a fight or something? Is he relevant these days?
I heard Don Frye is going to fight again, maybe in Japan. That's seems like a fight that might interest Fedor.
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as long as he is your avatar and his name is mentioned in 95% of your posts, he owns your mind
you are in serious denial, like a bitter lover that says she "doesn't care" about her ex yet she can't stop talking about him and watches his every move
you mention don frye, he hasn't been relevant since like 97, i have no desire to watch his fights
when Fedor fights, you are watching with great interest and i bet you are shouting at the tv
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as long as he is your avatar and his name is mentioned in 95% of your posts, he owns your mind
you are in serious denial, like a bitter lover that says she "doesn't care" about her ex yet she can't stop talking about him and watches his every move
you mention don frye, he hasn't been relevant since like 97, i have no desire to watch his fights
when Fedor fights, you are watching with great interest and i bet you are shouting at the tv
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Are you talking to me? I haven't seen a fedor fight in years. I just watch the highlights online. It's not worth it to watch a washed up can crusher.
BTW, the fact that you would let some guy dump a load in your wife just to "have kids" is the grossest thing I've ever heard.
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Are you talking to me? I haven't seen a fedor fight in years. I just watch the highlights online. It's not worth it to watch a washed up can crusher.
BTW, the fact that you would let some guy dump a load in your wife just to "have kids" is the grossest thing I've ever heard.
i was talking to weight, though you are the same guy right?
right i believe you don't watch his fights, like the bitter ex that doesn't check his facebook profile haha ::)
look up artificial insemination please ::)
you saying you would've been gay if not having a few women around when you were competing was as gross as anything i've ever heard
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i was talking to weight, though you are the same guy right?
right i believe you don't watch his fights, like the bitter ex that doesn't check his facebook profile haha ::)
look up artificial insemination please ::)
you saying you would've been gay if not having a few women around when you were competing was as gross as anything i've ever heard
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Uh, when did I say that ???
And, I don't get Showtime, so I don't see any of the Strike Force cards.
Artificial insemination or not, it's another dude's load in your wife...admitted Earl, you're a cream-pie gobbler.
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Uh, when did I say that ???
And, I don't get Showtime, so I don't see any of the Strike Force cards.
Artificial insemination or not, it's another dude's load in your wife...admitted Earl, you're a cream-pie gobbler.
there are several streams posted here on getbig, whether you watch the fights live or not he owns a sizable space in your mind
i've never done that and wouldn't have to, but if given the choice i would choose Fedor's baby over adopting some drug addicts baby
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as long as he is your avatar and his name is mentioned in 95% of your posts, he owns your mind
you are in serious denial, like a bitter lover that says she "doesn't care" about her ex yet she can't stop talking about him and watches his every move
you mention don frye, he hasn't been relevant since like 97, i have no desire to watch his fights
when Fedor fights, you are watching with great interest and i bet you are shouting at the tv
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Doesn't that make him a desirable match-up for Fedor?
I'm in no type of denial over Fedor...Almost every thread on here turns into Fedor discussions and I have no problem reminding you queens how much of a can crusher he really is. Little by little, I can see his delusional fans disappearing in shame.
I assure you I am no fan of Fedor, although I give him a lot of credit for fooling a lot of people for a very long time.
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Doesn't that make him a desirable match-up for Fedor?
I'm in no type of denial over Fedor...Almost every thread on here turns into Fedor discussions and I have no problem reminding you queens how much of a can crusher he really is. Little by little, I can see his delusional fans disappearing in shame.
I assure you I am no fan of Fedor, although I give him a lot of credit for fooling a lot of people for a very long time.
yeah because don frye has recently been ranked in the top 10 like rodgers, werdum, arlovski, and silva ::)
they left because they got tired of arguing with somebody so stupid, seriously sherdog would ban you and mindspin for your ignorant nonsense
i'm not calling you a fan of Fedor, just saying you care about him more than any other fighter
if he had his first loss in 2020 you still would claim he was fooling people, you probably think ali was overrated for losing to trevor berbick right tuffer ::)
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yeah because don frye has recently been ranked in the top 10 like rodgers, werdum, arlovski, and silva ::)
they left because they got tired of arguing with somebody so stupid, seriously sherdog would ban you and mindspin for your ignorant nonsense
i'm not calling you a fan of Fedor, just saying you care about him more than any other fighter
if he had his first loss in 2020 you still would claim he was fooling people, you probably think ali was overrated for losing to trevor berbick right tuffer ::)
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Irrelevant post....Fedor had his consecutive beatings in 2010 and 2011 which proved my previous statements.
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Irrelevant post....Fedor had his consecutive beatings in 2010 and 2011 which proved my previous statements.
your proevious statement is that he has only been beating cans, the truth is he was only beating top 10 fighters ::)
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your proevious statement is that he has only been beating cans, the truth is he was only beating top 10 fighters ::)
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Silva was not ranked when they fought. Fact is he was a 5-1 underdog. That's humiliating.
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Silva was not ranked when they fought. Fact is he was a 5-1 underdog. That's humiliating.
one fighter, what about the rest? i don't think buster douglas was ranked high when he beat tyson
funny how you keep ignoring the other top ranked fighters he beat, which is more than what brock, carwin or cain beat ::)
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one fighter, what about the rest? i don't think buster douglas was ranked high when he beat tyson
funny how you keep ignoring the other top ranked fighters he beat, which is more than what brock, carwin or cain beat ::)
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Brock, Carwin and Cain are currently ranked higher than Fedor and are at different parts of the careers...no comparison really.
How long do you figure Fedor's "legendary" record will keep him relevant in your eyes?
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Brock, Carwin and Cain are currently ranked higher than Fedor and are at different parts of the careers...no comparison really.
How long do you figure Fedor's "legendary" record will keep him relevant in your eyes?
yeah after one loss a few weeks ago they are ranked higher, in your simple mind they already have had a better career ::)
he'll be relevant as long as people keep talking about him and have him as their avatar
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yeah after one loss a few weeks ago they are ranked higher, in your simple mind they already have had a better career ::)
he'll be relevant as long as people keep talking about him and have him as their avatar
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I have never claimed anyone had a better career. That will always be subjective. We all look for different things when we define a fighter's career.
You despise my avatar don't you? I chose that avatar to remind you delusional PRIDE hippies that your hero is not the dominant can crusher he was almost a decade ago.
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I have never claimed anyone had a better career. That will always be subjective. We all look for different things when we define a fighter's career.
You despise my avatar don't you? I chose that avatar to remind you delusional PRIDE hippies that your hero is not the dominant can crusher he was almost a decade ago.
the avatar is actually pretty cool, fedor has looked worse after a win
you have the avatar because he owns your mind
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the avatar is actually pretty cool, fedor has looked worse after a win
you have the avatar because he owns your mind
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My avatar is what most people will remember most.
Most people have forgotten what he did a decade ago fighting nobodies and crushing cans.
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My avatar is what most people will remember most.
Most people have forgotten what he did a decade ago fighting nobodies and crushing cans.
nobody cares what the tuffers think, though you are one tuffer that will never forget and he will forever own your mind
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nobody cares what the tuffers think, though you are one tuffer that will never forget and he will forever own your mind
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Really? Nobody cares what tuffers think? According to you and your PRIDE fanboys, tuffers make up the majority of current MMA fans.
What is it Earl?
Like I said earlier, Fedor is that 'fat russian' guy that got his ass beat to most MMA fans these days.
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"WeightPSHR", serious question: is your username an acronym for shit-pusher? Serious question.
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"WeightPSHR", serious question: is your username an acronym for shit-pusher? Serious question.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I see you must still be confusing the English language with what you are familiar with again.
FYI....Google has excellent translation tools .
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I would never say anyone had the "best" career of all time, but I can think of MANY fighters who have accomplished more in the sport. Randy is one of the fighters I respect most. He has evolved, and accomplished so much in MMA, and to top it off, he's almost 50 and still fighting some of the best in the world. No other fighter in the sport has evolved like he has. That is hard to do.
I agree about Randy being a great fighter, but, why does he get a free pass for getting the shit kicked out of him from Brock Lesnar? After all, he has "accomplished more in the sport".
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I agree about Randy being a great fighter, but, why does he get a free pass for getting the shit kicked out of him from Brock Lesnar? After all, he has "accomplished more in the sport".
Well according to a lot of the PRIDE fanboys/Fedor nuthuggers, Randy should be given a free pass when he lost to Lesnar because he fought a guy most likely 60-70 lbs heavier in the cage. Much like Fedor did when he lost to Silva ;D
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randy gets a pass because he's an old nice guy
the only fighter i've ever seen that somehow gets more respect for taking an ass beating
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randy gets a pass because he's an old nice guy
the only fighter i've ever seen that somehow gets more respect for taking an ass beating
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Now that the UFC owns MMA, what are you going to watch?
Can we now say that the ALL the best fighters are OWNED by the UFC?
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Now that the UFC owns MMA, what are you going to watch?
Can we now say that the ALL the best fighters are OWNED by the UFC?
i never stopped watching the ufc, i just don't watch as much as i used to
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i never stopped watching the ufc, i just don't watch as much as i used to
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Must suck to watch something you hate.
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Must suck to watch something you hate.
when did i say i hated it? it's just not as cool as it used to be
and you would know, watching fedor fights even though you hate him
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when did i say i hated it? it's just not as cool as it used to be
and you would know, watching fedor fights even though you hate him
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You don't hate the UFC? All you ever to is rip on Dana, rip on the UFC, rip on TUF fighters, rip on UFC fighters in general. Now you're going to say you don't hate the UFC ::)
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You don't hate the UFC? All you ever to is rip on Dana, rip on the UFC, rip on TUF fighters, rip on UFC fighters in general. Now you're going to say you don't hate the UFC ::)
i said pride fighters were better and their shows were far more entertaining and epic
in comparison ufc feels like low class trash, that doesn't mean i don't watch
i liked the ufc more before it went mainstream, now i have to deal with tapouters and know it alls like you :-*
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Well according to a lot of the PRIDE fanboys/Fedor nuthuggers, Randy should be given a free pass when he lost to Lesnar because he fought a guy most likely 60-70 lbs heavier in the cage. Much like Fedor did when he lost to Silva ;D
So then you agree that Fedor's last fight is negligible. Good.
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So then you agree that Fedor's last fight is negligible. Good.
Randy was fighting for the belt.
Fedor was fighting a 5-1 underdog.
End of story.
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Randy was fighting for the belt.
Fedor was fighting a 5-1 underdog.
End of story.
that was brock's 3rd ufc fight
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that was brock's 3rd ufc fight
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And he had the most prestigious MMA belt...
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And he had the most prestigious MMA belt...
haha how prestigious can it be if a guy with 4 fights won it?
it's a slight step above the wcw title when david arguette won it ;D
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haha how prestigious can it be if a guy with 4 fights won it?
it's a slight step above the wcw title when david arguette won it ;D
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What difference does it make how many fights someone has? If someone with no fights beats Cain, then he beats him...end of story. In fact, it shows just how good someone is, when with limited experience, they come in and dominate the best.
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What difference does it make how many fights someone has? If someone with no fights beats Cain, then he beats him...end of story. In fact, it shows just how good someone is, when with limited experience, they come in and dominate the best.
or it means the competiton sucks
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that too.
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The thing that made the UFC HW title so prestigious is that its the top division in the biggest org in MMA. Regardless of preferences towards fighters and orgs it can not be denied that UFC are top of the pile and nobody else is coming close to them - once they do Dana will simply see the out of business or absorb them with almost no resistance.
Brocks win was legit and stylistically he was always gonna be a bad match for Randy. Bigger, faster, stronger with just as good wrestling, i dont think Randy ever stood much of a chance and i was pleased for Brock that he managed to do it (BTW Randy also did the same thing in his 4th MMA fight). I dont think we have seen the best of the big man by a long shot, he needs a new camp and has to realise that hes been exposed as a 1 dimensional fighter who should have been alot more prepared for Cain. He was scared before he got in there, mentally i dont believe he was ready especially when youre surrounded by people telling you to fart more because they smell wonderful.
I also hate the fact ev1 goes on about Bigfoot being 5 - 1 underdog as most people fighting Fedor are that or worse. I picked him as my dark horse and thought Fedor might just have a little too much for him but stated if it were not for facing Fedor he would make the final. He is an excellent fighter, people just dont know enough about him however i have followed him for a while and recognise he is potentially a top 6 guy.
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The thing that made the UFC HW title so prestigious is that its the top division in the biggest org in MMA. Regardless of preferences towards fighters and orgs it can not be denied that UFC are top of the pile and nobody else is coming close to them - once they do Dana will simply see the out of business or absorb them with almost no resistance.
The UFC's days are counted, dude. The huge Japanese banks with theitr billions of Dollars in capital are getting behind DREAM. Poor Zuffa has no way to compete against these monsters. The biggest fish in the tank
Brocks win was legit and stylistically he was always gonna be a bad match for Randy. Bigger, faster, stronger with just as good wrestling, i dont think Randy ever stood much of a chance and i was pleased for Brock that he managed to do it (BTW Randy also did the same thing in his 4th MMA fight). I dont think we have seen the best of the big man by a long shot, he needs a new camp and has to realise that hes been exposed as a 1 dimensional fighter who should have been alot more prepared for Cain. He was scared before he got in there, mentally i dont believe he was ready especially when youre surrounded by people telling you to fart more because they smell wonderful.
Brock Lesnar is a one dimensional wrestler who won fights by being matched against opponents he outweighted by 40+ lbs with bad take-down defenses(Mir). Once he fought a guy with above average striking that he couldn't take to the ground as easily due to his take down defenses and wrestling background, he lost. In fact, he lost to Carwin pretty much the both rounds and pulled an Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen in the end by giving a submission to a guy who has no idea how to defend from a submission. The UFC sucks when it comes to heavyweights.
I also hate the fact ev1 goes on about Bigfoot being 5 - 1 underdog as most people fighting Fedor are that or worse. I picked him as my dark horse and thought Fedor might just have a little too much for him but stated if it were not for facing Fedor he would make the final. He is an excellent fighter, people just dont know enough about him however i have followed him for a while and recognise he is potentially a top 6 guy.
Oh shit, you people are stupid. Silva won for the same reason lions don't attack and kill elephants: he is too big. Simple as that. You cannot overcome an advantage of close to 60 lbs in lean mass unless your opponent is a bodybuilder who has no idea how to throw a punch and has no ground game. This is why there are weight classes. If your opponent is decent and has 60 lean pounds on you, you lose. The Fedor of 2004 could probably find a way to win, but the Fedor of 2011 is too past his prime for someone as big and not terrible like Silva. To me, the fact that Fedor won a round against these odds shows me how great the guy is.
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The UFC's days are counted, dude. The huge Japanese banks with theitr billions of Dollars in capital are getting behind DREAM. Poor Zuffa has no way to compete against these monsters. The biggest fish in the tank
Brock Lesnar is a one dimensional wrestler who won fights by being matched against opponents he outweighted by 40+ lbs with bad take-down defenses(Mir). Once he fought a guy with above average striking that he couldn't take to the ground as easily due to his take down defenses and wrestling background, he lost. In fact, he lost to Carwin pretty much the both rounds and pulled an Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen in the end by giving a submission to a guy who has no idea how to defend from a submission. The UFC sucks when it comes to heavyweights.
Oh shit, you people are stupid. Silva won for the same reason lions don't attack and kill elephants: he is too big. Simple as that. You cannot overcome an advantage of close to 60 lbs in lean mass unless your opponent is a bodybuilder who has no idea how to throw a punch and has no ground game. This is why there are weight classes. If your opponent is decent and has 60 lean pounds on you, you lose. The Fedor of 2004 could probably find a way to win, but the Fedor of 2011 is too past his prime for someone as big and not terrible like Silva. To me, the fact that Fedor won a round against these odds shows me how great the guy is.
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I thought you said you were no longer going to follow MMA now that the Zuffa/UFC owns it all.
Did you change you mind?
We don't talk about oiled up men in thongs in this section.
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Oh shit, you people are stupid. Silva won for the same reason lions don't attack and kill elephants: he is too big. Simple as that. You cannot overcome an advantage of close to 60 lbs in lean mass unless your opponent is a bodybuilder who has no idea how to throw a punch and has no ground game. This is why there are weight classes. If your opponent is decent and has 60 lean pounds on you, you lose. The Fedor of 2004 could probably find a way to win, but the Fedor of 2011 is too past his prime for someone as big and not terrible like Silva. To me, the fact that Fedor won a round against these odds shows me how great the guy is.
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I'm sorry but i have have read your repetitive excuse and have to tell you that it has no effect on the outcome. Fedor has been outweighed in almost all of his top class matches, against better opponents and by a hell of alot more than 55 lbs and has still managed to destroy those guys with seeming effortlessness. You are in denial that he has been beaten and for some reason feel the need to tell the world that he only lost because this, that and the other.............when in truth the world doesnt need to hear your juvenile wailing.
Fedor himself has not presented an excuse but rather taken the defeat like a champion, why do you endlessly state if's and but's like it will change history and suddenly justify his loss as a fluke. Its life - we learn, we peak and then we fall at the feet of those who are younger, hungrier and fresh for the fight. Hes still the greatest fighter that ever lived, but his peak was quite some time ago so please accept it and move on.
Its not the end of the world, however the fact that you call me stupid makes me wonder how mentally sound you are when i have presented what i would deem acceptable statements and all you have contributed is a bevy of cried excuses. I can not understand for the life of me why you post here, you clearly know very little and have yet to contribute anything positive.
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I thought you said you were no longer going to follow MMA now that the Zuffa/UFC owns it all.
Did you change you mind?
We don't talk about oiled up men in thongs in this section.
and nobody came to getbig to talk about mma
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and nobody came to getbig to talk about mma
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There are several of us that rarely if ever post anywhere but the MMA board.
So why are you still here? Have you welcomed Uncle Dana into your family?
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and nobody came to getbig to talk about mma
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Pretty much the only reason I come to GetBig is to talk MMA. I very rarely post on the other boards...
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There are several of us that rarely if ever post anywhere but the MMA board.
So why are you still here? Have you welcomed Uncle Dana into your family?
none of you originally came here to talk mma
you came to talk "men in thongs"
as for dana in my family, i will treat him like a red headed step child
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I'm sorry but i have have read your repetitive excuse and have to tell you that it has no effect on the outcome. Fedor has been outweighed in almost all of his top class matches
Ok, two things. First of all, the Fedor of 2004 was different from the Fedor of 2011. Secondly, all the guys Fedor beat who outweighted him by 55+ lbs had serious holes in their games that Fedor could exploit. Semmy Shultz had no ground game. Hong Man Choi had no ground game and lacked power for a man his size. Zuluzinho was fat and very slow. Silva has 55+ lbs on Fedor and is well-rounded. Even the Fedor of 2004 would have his hands full with this monster. I think it's funny that you guys keep making fun of Fedor losing to Silva, but you would compliment the other Silva(Anderson) if he fought Shane Carwin and got KOd. You would excuse his loss based on size difference, but Fedor is somehow supposed to beat guys who outweight him by almost the equivalent of three weight classes, and if he loses he got "exposed". C'mon...
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Ok, two things. First of all, the Fedor of 2004 was different from the Fedor of 2011. Secondly, all the guys Fedor beat who outweighted him by 55+ lbs had serious holes in their games that Fedor could exploit. Semmy Shultz had no ground game. Hong Man Choi had no ground game and lacked power for a man his size. Zuluzinho was fat and very slow. Silva has 55+ lbs on Fedor and is well-rounded. Even the Fedor of 2004 would have his hands full with this monster. I think it's funny that you guys keep making fun of Fedor losing to Silva, but you would compliment the other Silva(Anderson) if he fought Shane Carwin and got KOd. You would excuse his loss based on size difference, but Fedor is somehow supposed to beat guys who outweight him by almost the equivalent of three weight classes, and if he loses he got "exposed". C'mon...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
If you have ever read anything ive posted you will see that i have not once made fun of Fedor, i have championed him as the greatest fighter of all time based on several key elements to his game. I also have not tried to justify to myself how it is that he has started to lose, it has nothing to do with the calibre of the opponent it is simply that he is just not as good as he used to be. We saw it when Crocop came over - do you really think the 03-06 version of Mirko would have been beaten by Kongo or Napao? Not a chance.
Age is a fight nobody can win, we can hold our own for as long as possible but one day - literally - you will wake up and realise that your peak has passed. His own standards are what he is measured against and he is not able to meet them anymore, Arlovski was having his way with him and that was the first true sign that Fedor was weakening. He has gone considerably downhill ever since, each showing is worse that the previous.
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If you have ever read anything ive posted you will see that i have not once made fun of Fedor, i have championed him as the greatest fighter of all time based on several key elements to his game. I also have not tried to justify to myself how it is that he has started to lose, it has nothing to do with the calibre of the opponent it is simply that he is just not as good as he used to be. We saw it when Crocop came over - do you really think the 03-06 version of Mirko would have been beaten by Kongo or Napao? Not a chance.
Age is a fight nobody can win, we can hold our own for as long as possible but one day - literally - you will wake up and realise that your peak has passed. His own standards are what he is measured against and he is not able to meet them anymore, Arlovski was having his way with him and that was the first true sign that Fedor was weakening. He has gone considerably downhill ever since, each showing is worse that the previous.
I agree that Fedor is a shadow of his former self - still the greatest fighter in the World at 225 lbs and under. But are you saying that Semmy Shultz and Zuluzinho were as good as Silva? I disagree.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Not at all, i simply meant that not only has he beaten bigger fighters, but better opponents than Bigfoot could ever hope to be. Weight classes are irrelevant when it comes to overall quality and in Fedor i believe we have seen the best fighter of any generation who will not be matched in my lifetime.
And once again, a fighter i do not list in my personal top 10 favourites.
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Not at all, i simply meant that not only has he beaten bigger fighters, but better opponents than Bigfoot could ever hope to be. Weight classes are irrelevant when it comes to overall quality and in Fedor i believe we have seen the best fighter of any generation who will not be matched in my lifetime.
And once again, a fighter i do not list in my personal top 10 favourites.
Besides Cro Cop & Nog, who are these "great" fighters that Fedor beat?
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Besides Cro Cop & Nog, who are these "great" fighters that Fedor beat?
Renato Babalu Sobral, Heath Herring, Mark Coleman, Garry Goodrich, Hunt, Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, Yugi Nagata, Naoya Ogawa, Shiltz etc.
All were ranked as top 5 heavyweights when Fedor fought and crushed them.
The tomato cans that Fedor crushed:
Zulu and Choi in PRIDE and a lot of his opponents in RINGS.
What you don't understand, MindSpin, is that what matters is the level of the top talent that Fedor fought and not the bottom talent. You determine a fighter's skill celing by the top talent he has fought and not the lower talent, ok.
Who cares that Fedor fought a lot of cans? Just the fact that he dominated a prime Big Nog speaks more to his cliber than all the cans he has crushed. Even Dana White said back in 2010 when Lesnar was still the UFC's heavyweight champion that Big Nog was the greatest heavyweight that the UFC ever had. And Fedor crushed him. Two fucking times! He has also defeated more top heavyweights than any other, so the number of cans he has crushed is irrelevant.
SUCKMYMUSCLE