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American Held in Pakistan Worked for CIA, U.S. Officials Say
By TOM WRIGHT And ADAM ENTOUS
WASHINGTON—The American detained in Pakistan in the killing of two armed men was working secretly in the country for the Central Intelligence Agency, U.S. officials say.
The disclosures about Raymond Davis, a former Army Special Forces soldier who worked as a contractor in Pakistan for the CIA, might complicate U.S. efforts to secure his release and exacerbate growing tensions between between U.S. and Pakistani intelligence agencies. Pakistani intelligence officials say they weren't informed by the U.S. about Mr. Davis's role with the CIA and warned that ties may have been damaged beyond repair by the case.
Mr. Davis has been held by Pakistani authorities in the eastern city of Lahore since late January. He was on a contract with the CIA as a protective officer, responsible for providing security to American personnel, including intelligence officers who help orchestrate covert operations against al Qaeda militants and their allies, U.S. officials said.
The CIA carries out drone strikes in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan that are deeply unpopular in Pakistan, and U.S. officials fear the release of information about Mr. Davis's ties to the CIA could endanger his life in detention. As a security officer, U.S. officials said, Mr. Davis wasn't directly involved in the CIA's spy or drone operations. "Rumors to the contrary are simply wrong," a U.S. official said.
The U.S. says Mr. Davis, 36 years old, shot the two men in self-defense when they tried to rob him.
Pakistani security officials escort Raymond Allen Davis, a U.S. citizen, to a local court in Lahore, Pakistan in late January .His arrest has strained the relationship between the U.S. and Pakistan.
U.S. officials had asked several U.S. news organizations, including The Wall Street Journal, not to publish information about Mr. Davis's work with the CIA because of fears over his safety in jail. U.S. officials agreed to release details about the case Monday after senior ISI officials were quoted over the weekend describing his ties to the CIA.
U.S. President Barack Obama referred to Mr. Davis last week as "our diplomat" and said that he was covered by diplomatic immunity and should be immediately released. Facing public anger over the killings, Pakistan has refused to do so. As an interim step, U.S. officials have asked the Pakistanis to do more to ensure Mr. Davis's security.
The jail where Mr. Davis is being held in Lahore holds about 4,000 inmates, most of them militants, according to U.S. officials. They said that Mr. Davis was moved to a separate part of the jail facility and that all the guards in that area have had their guns taken away for fear that one of them might try to kill him. Dogs are tasting or smelling his food to make sure it doesn't contain poison. A major concern for the U.S. is that local police are allowing protesters near the prison, officials said.
"The Pakistanis have a solemn obligation to protect Ray Davis. If they're not going to release him—which they certainly should based on his diplomatic immunity—surely they can find a safer place for him," a U.S. official said.
A senior official with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, said Pakistan wasn't initially aware Mr. Davis was working for the CIA. The official said he believes the U.S. could be using other undeclared operatives like Mr. Davis as a way of circumventing visa restrictions imposed by Islamabad on the U.S. spy agency. The ISI's decision to reveal Mr. Davis's CIA ties reflect Pakistani anger over U.S. conduct in the case. Comments last week by CIA Director Leon Panetta that relations between the two agencies were among "the most complicated" he has ever seen also rankled the ISI.
"We didn't even know about him," the ISI official said. "We don't know how many Raymond Davises there could be running around."
The CIA has "acted with arrogance toward ISI which has resulted in weakening the relationship on which it is entirely dependent," the senior ISI official added. "Irrespective of the commonality of objectives in this war on terror, it is hard to predict if the relationship will ever reach the level at which it was prior to the Davis episode."
Pakistani authorities are under intense pressure from Islamist and student groups not to release Mr. Davis. Regular street protests since the Jan. 27 incident have called for Mr. Davis to be hanged.
Mr. Davis says he fired on two armed men in self-defense as they approached his white Honda Civic at a crowded intersection in broad daylight. The men had earlier robbed other people in the area, U.S. officials say.
Mr. Davis, who was alone, fired nine shots with a Glock pistol from inside the car, seven of which hit the men in various parts of their bodies, according to police officers in Lahore.
He attempted to flee in the car but was arrested moments later. A second vehicle from the U.S. Consulate in Lahore that attempted to rescue him killed a bystander. The driver of that vehicle wasn't detained and hasn't been identified.
Pakistan authorities say they recovered items including a make-up kit and long-range radio from Mr. Davis's vehicle.
According to excerpts from a preliminary Pakistani police report obtained by U.S. officials and shared with The Wall Street Journal, the two dead Pakistani men were found with pistols, live rounds and five stolen cell phones. According to police documents, one of the dead Pakistani men had "cocked his pistol and pointed it towards [the] American."
Little is known about where Mr. Davis has traveled in Pakistan on behalf of the CIA. He arrived in Lahore as a short term contractor for the CIA in January 2010, but U.S. officials say he has done multiple tours as a security employee for the agency over the past four years.
Police in Lahore say eyewitnesses who recognize his photo remember seeing him late last year in a northern suburb of the city where Afghan refugees live.
Senior police officers in Lahore have said Mr. Davis is likely guilty of murder even though they have yet to formally charge him. They deny the men were planning to attack Mr. Davis and say they may have been armed because of a feud in which one of the men's elder brothers had recently been killed.
U.S. officials say such comments by police officials leading the investigation mean Mr. Davis is unlikely to get a fair hearing if the case goes to trial.
Mr. Obama, in his first comments on the incident last week, said Mr. Davis is covered by a 1961 treaty on diplomatic immunity to which the U.S. and Pakistan are both signatories. U.S. officials said Mr. Davis's status working with the CIA in no way diminishes his right to immunity.
A court in Lahore will decide next month whether Mr. Davis has diplomatic immunity.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704476604576158393645440806.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
Pretty stupid. Might as well just sign the guy's death warrant. Paging Valerie Plame.
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Where is the outrage? I'm sure we can look forward to a movie in the next few years like Fair Game ::)
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US gives fresh details of CIA agent who killed two men in Pakistan shootoutUS reveals that CIA agent Raymond Davis worked for private security firm Xe, formerly known as Blackwater
Share177 Ewen MacAskill and Declan Walsh guardian.co.uk, Monday 21 February 2011 21.48 GMT Article history
Raymond Davis, held in Pakistan on double murder charges for a shooting in Lahore last month, is employed by the CIA as a contractor. Photograph: Reuters
US officials have provided fresh details about Raymond Davis, the CIA agent at the centre of a diplomatic stand-off in Pakistan, including confirmation that he had worked for the private security contractor Xe, formerly known as Blackwater. They also disclosed for the first time that he had been providing security for a CIA team tracking militants.
Davis was attached to the CIA's Global Response Staff, whose duties include protecting case officers when they meet with sources. He was familiarising himself with a sensitive area of Lahore on the day he shot dead two Pakistanis.
The New York Times, Washington Post, Associated Press and other media outlets reported for the first time that Davis is a CIA employee. They said they had been aware of his status but kept it under wraps at the request of US officials who said they feared for his safety if involvement with the spy agency was to come out. The officials claimed that he is at risk in the prison in Lahore. The officials released them from their obligation after the Guardian on Sunday reported that Davis was a CIA agent.
Davis shot dead two Pakistanis in Lahore last month who he says had been trying to rob him. A third Pakistani man was killed by a car driven by Americans apparently on their way to rescue Davis.
Confirmation that he worked for Xe could prove even more problematic than working for the CIA, given the extent of hatred towards Blackwater, whose staff have gained a reputation in Pakistan as trigger-happy. For Pakistanis the word "Blackwater" has become a byword for covert American operations targeting the country's nuclear capability. Newspaper reports have been filled with lurid reports of lawless operatives roaming the country.
US officials have reiterated their concern about Lahore's Kot Lakhpat jail where Davis is being held, saying he had been moved to a separate section of the prison, that the guards' guns had been taken away from for fear they might kill him, and that detainees had been previously killed by guards. They are also concerned about protesters storming the prison or that he might be poisoned, and that dogs were being used to taste or smell the food for poison.
However, the authorities in Pakistan stressed the stringent measures they have put in place to protect Davis in Kot Lakhpat following angry public rallies in which his effigy was burned and threats from extremist clerics.
Surveillance cameras are trained on his cell in an isolation wing, and a ring of paramilitary troops are posted outside. About 25 jihadi prisoners have been transferred to other facilities.
The revelations about Davis will complicate further the impasse between the US and Pakistan. Washington says he has diplomatic immunity and should be released but the Pakistan government is in a bind, facing the danger of a public backlash if it complies.
Until Sunday, the US had said Davis was a diplomat, doing technical and administrative work at the embassy. It says that because he has diplomatic immunity, he should be released immediately.
The Pakistani prime minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, told parliament on Monday he would safeguard the country's "sovereignty and dignity" as it sought to resolve the diplomatic impasse with the US. "We are firmly resolved to adopt a course that accords with the dictates of justice and the rule of law. My government will not compromise on Pakistan's sovereignty and dignity," said Gilani.
The CIA declined to comment but other US officials said Davis had been working from a safe house in Lahore and had been carrying out scouting and other reconnaissance mission for a task force of case officers and surveillance experts.
The Obama administration is exerting fierce pressure on Pakistan to release Davis. But President Asif Ali Zardari's government, faced with a wave of public outrage, has prevaricated on the issue, and says it cannot decide on immunity issue until 14 March. For many Pakistanis the case has come to represent their difficult relationship with the US, in which multibillion dollar aid packages are mingled with covert activities targeting Islamist extremists.
Davis is currently on Pakistan's "exit control list", meaning he cannot leave the country without permission. But the two men who came to his rescue in a jeep that knocked over and killed a motorcyclist are believed to have already fled the country. Davis claimed to be acting in self-defence, firing on a pair of suspected robbers. But eyebrows were raised when it emerged that he shot the men 10 times, one as he fled the scene.
Pakistani prosecutors say Davis used excessive force and have charged him with two counts of murder and one of illegal possession of a Glock 9mm pistol. There have also been claims that the dead men were working for the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, with orders to follow Davis.
The military spy agency cooperates with the CIA in its tribal belt drone programme, but resents US intelligence collection elsewhere in the country.In spite of the lurid conspiracy tales in Pakistan about Blackwater, US officials say that in reality Blackwater has had two major contracts in Pakistan - loading missiles onto CIA drones at the secret Shamsi airbase in Balochistan, and supervising the construction of a police training facility in Peshawar. The Davis furore has not, however, stopped the controversial drone strike programme. News emerged of a fresh attack on a militant target in South Waziristan, the first in nearly one month. Pakistani intelligence officials told AP that foreigners were among the dead including three people from Turkmenistan and two Arabs.
Rocky relations
The CIA and Pakistan's ISI have long had a rocky relationship. It started in the 1980s jihad, when the ISI funnelled billions of dollars in CIA-funded weapons to anti-Soviet rebels in Afghanistan.
But the two fell out in 2001 over CIA accusations that the ISI was playing a "double game" – attacking some Islamist militants while secretly supporting others.
In August 2008 the CIA deputy chief, Stephen Kappes, flew to Islamabad with evidence suggesting the ISI plotted the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul that killed 54 people. The ISI, in turn, complained that the US came with unrealistic expectations and an aggressive attitude.
Yet at the same time the agencies co-operated closely, mostly on the CIA drone campaign against al-Qaida militants along the Afghan border.
In 2009 the ISI praised the CIA for killing the Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud. But recently things soured again. Last December the CIA station chief was forced to quit Pakistan after being publicly identified (US officials blamed an ISI leak); while Pakistani spies were angered that their chief, General Shuja Pasha, was named in a US lawsuit brought in a New York court by victims of the 2008 Mumbai attacks.
Declan Walsh
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Why the fuck are we letting Pakistan jerk us around like this?
I think it's about time we teach them a good lesson about fucking with the United States.
A good firm handshake and a bow from the president is the only thing you can expect.
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Why the fuck are we letting Pakistan jerk us around like this?
I think it's about time we teach them a good lesson about fucking with the United States.
The newest budget proposes increasing yearly aid for Pakistan to more than $3.2 billion.
I'd be shocked to see this guy make it out of there alive. They already rioted in the prison once trying to kill him.
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The story says he was outed by the Guardian not the Obama Administration.
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The story says he was outed by the Guardian not the Obama Administration.
No. The Guardian reported it based on some anonymous interviews. The Obama admin decided to confirm it. They outed him. The Guardian merely speculated that he was a CIA agent. Your blind defense of everything this guy does is comedic.
I'm willing to bet you were probably one of the guys crying when pencil pusher Valerie Plame was outed, too.
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No. The Guardian reported it based on some anonymous interviews. The Obama admin decided to confirm it. They outed him. The Guardian merely speculated that he was a CIA agent. Your blind defense of everything this guy does is comedic.
I'm willing to bet you were probably one of the guys crying when pencil pusher Valerie Plame was outed, too.
I don't see that info in your story.
The underlined section does not say that
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BF - do you ever listen to John Batchelor? He has been on this issue for weeks.
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The Associated Press
updated 2/21/2011
WASHINGTON — An American jailed in Pakistan for the fatal shooting of two armed men was secretly working for the CIA and scouting a neighborhood when he was arrested, a disclosure likely to further frustrate U.S. government efforts to free the man and strain relations between two countries partnered in a fragile alliance in the war on terror.
Raymond Allen Davis, 36, had been working as a CIA security contractor and living in a Lahore safe house, according to former and current U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to talk publicly about the incident.
Davis, a former Special Forces soldier who left the military in 2003, shot the men in what he described as an attempted armed robbery in the eastern city of Lahore as they approached him on a motorcycle. A third Pakistani, a bystander, died when a car rushing to help Davis struck him. Davis was carrying a Glock handgun, a pocket telescope and papers with different identifications.
..Meanwhile, the Obama administration insisted anew Monday that Davis had diplomatic immunity and must be set free.
In a hastily arranged conference call with reporters shortly after details of Davis' employment were reported, senior State Department officials repeated the administration's stance that he is an accredited member of the technical and administrative staff of the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad. They said the Pakistani government had been informed of his status in January 2010 and that Pakistan is violating its international obligations by continuing to hold him.
The officials would not comment on Davis' employment but said it was irrelevant to the case because Pakistan had not rejected his status The officials spoke only on grounds of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
The revelation that Davis was an employee of the CIA comes amid a tumultuous dispute over whether he is immune from criminal prosecution under international rules enacted to protect diplomats overseas. New protests in Pakistan erupted after The Guardian newspaper in London decided to publish details about Davis' relationship with the CIA.
.The U.S. had repeatedly asserted that Davis had diplomatic immunity and should have been released immediately. The State Department claimed Davis was "entitled to full criminal immunity in accordance with the Vienna Convention" and was a member of the "technical and administrative staff" at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad.
The Associated Press learned about Davis working for the CIA last month, immediately after the shootings, but withheld publication of the information because it could endanger his life while he was jailed overseas, with at least some protesters there calling for his execution as a spy.
The AP had intended to report Davis' CIA employment after he was out of harm's way, but the story was broken Sunday by The Guardian. The CIA asked The AP and several other U.S. media outlets to hold their stories as the U.S. tried to improve Davis' security situation.
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I don't see that info in your story.
The underlined section does not say that
Based on interviews in the US and Pakistan, the Guardian can confirm that the 36-year-old former special forces soldier is employed by the CIA. "It's beyond a shadow of a doubt," said a senior Pakistani intelligence official. The revelation may complicate American efforts to free Davis, who insists he was acting in self-defence against a pair of suspected robbers, who were both carrying guns.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/20/us-raymond-davis-lahore-cia
They had no evidence and were basing their entire story on interviews they conducted. The obama admin then outed him. Sorry to burst your bubble. They could have played the diplomat angle all the way with this one and instead they chose to admit that a man currently imprisoned in a Pakistani jail is a CIA operative. Smart move. ::)
We ship this country billions of dollars a year and then we can't even get them to hand over a guy we're claiming has diplomatic immunity. Yet another reason in the laundry list of them to sever all ties with Pakistan. And a good example of how little clout Obama actually has.
BF - do you ever listen to John Batchelor? He has been on this issue for weeks.
Never heard of him actually.
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American Held in Pakistan Worked for CIA, U.S. Officials Say
By TOM WRIGHT And ADAM ENTOUS
WASHINGTON—The American detained in Pakistan in the killing of two armed men was working secretly in the country for the Central Intelligence Agency, U.S. officials say.
The disclosures about Raymond Davis, a former Army Special Forces soldier who worked as a contractor in Pakistan for the CIA, might complicate U.S. efforts to secure his release and exacerbate growing tensions between between U.S. and Pakistani intelligence agencies. Pakistani intelligence officials say they weren't informed by the U.S. about Mr. Davis's role with the CIA and warned that ties may have been damaged beyond repair by the case.
Mr. Davis has been held by Pakistani authorities in the eastern city of Lahore since late January. He was on a contract with the CIA as a protective officer, responsible for providing security to American personnel, including intelligence officers who help orchestrate covert operations against al Qaeda militants and their allies, U.S. officials said.
The CIA carries out drone strikes in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan that are deeply unpopular in Pakistan, and U.S. officials fear the release of information about Mr. Davis's ties to the CIA could endanger his life in detention. As a security officer, U.S. officials said, Mr. Davis wasn't directly involved in the CIA's spy or drone operations. "Rumors to the contrary are simply wrong," a U.S. official said.
The U.S. says Mr. Davis, 36 years old, shot the two men in self-defense when they tried to rob him.
Pakistani security officials escort Raymond Allen Davis, a U.S. citizen, to a local court in Lahore, Pakistan in late January .His arrest has strained the relationship between the U.S. and Pakistan.
U.S. officials had asked several U.S. news organizations, including The Wall Street Journal, not to publish information about Mr. Davis's work with the CIA because of fears over his safety in jail. U.S. officials agreed to release details about the case Monday after senior ISI officials were quoted over the weekend describing his ties to the CIA.[/size]
U.S. President Barack Obama referred to Mr. Davis last week as "our diplomat" and said that he was covered by diplomatic immunity and should be immediately released. Facing public anger over the killings, Pakistan has refused to do so. As an interim step, U.S. officials have asked the Pakistanis to do more to ensure Mr. Davis's security.
The jail where Mr. Davis is being held in Lahore holds about 4,000 inmates, most of them militants, according to U.S. officials. They said that Mr. Davis was moved to a separate part of the jail facility and that all the guards in that area have had their guns taken away for fear that one of them might try to kill him. Dogs are tasting or smelling his food to make sure it doesn't contain poison. A major concern for the U.S. is that local police are allowing protesters near the prison, officials said.
"The Pakistanis have a solemn obligation to protect Ray Davis. If they're not going to release him—which they certainly should based on his diplomatic immunity—surely they can find a safer place for him," a U.S. official said.
A senior official with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, said Pakistan wasn't initially aware Mr. Davis was working for the CIA. The official said he believes the U.S. could be using other undeclared operatives like Mr. Davis as a way of circumventing visa restrictions imposed by Islamabad on the U.S. spy agency. The ISI's decision to reveal Mr. Davis's CIA ties reflect Pakistani anger over U.S. conduct in the case. Comments last week by CIA Director Leon Panetta that relations between the two agencies were among "the most complicated" he has ever seen also rankled the ISI.
"We didn't even know about him," the ISI official said. "We don't know how many Raymond Davises there could be running around."
The CIA has "acted with arrogance toward ISI which has resulted in weakening the relationship on which it is entirely dependent," the senior ISI official added. "Irrespective of the commonality of objectives in this war on terror, it is hard to predict if the relationship will ever reach the level at which it was prior to the Davis episode."
Pakistani authorities are under intense pressure from Islamist and student groups not to release Mr. Davis. Regular street protests since the Jan. 27 incident have called for Mr. Davis to be hanged.
Mr. Davis says he fired on two armed men in self-defense as they approached his white Honda Civic at a crowded intersection in broad daylight. The men had earlier robbed other people in the area, U.S. officials say.
Mr. Davis, who was alone, fired nine shots with a Glock pistol from inside the car, seven of which hit the men in various parts of their bodies, according to police officers in Lahore.
He attempted to flee in the car but was arrested moments later. A second vehicle from the U.S. Consulate in Lahore that attempted to rescue him killed a bystander. The driver of that vehicle wasn't detained and hasn't been identified.
Pakistan authorities say they recovered items including a make-up kit and long-range radio from Mr. Davis's vehicle.
According to excerpts from a preliminary Pakistani police report obtained by U.S. officials and shared with The Wall Street Journal, the two dead Pakistani men were found with pistols, live rounds and five stolen cell phones. According to police documents, one of the dead Pakistani men had "cocked his pistol and pointed it towards [the] American."
Little is known about where Mr. Davis has traveled in Pakistan on behalf of the CIA. He arrived in Lahore as a short term contractor for the CIA in January 2010, but U.S. officials say he has done multiple tours as a security employee for the agency over the past four years.
Police in Lahore say eyewitnesses who recognize his photo remember seeing him late last year in a northern suburb of the city where Afghan refugees live.
Senior police officers in Lahore have said Mr. Davis is likely guilty of murder even though they have yet to formally charge him. They deny the men were planning to attack Mr. Davis and say they may have been armed because of a feud in which one of the men's elder brothers had recently been killed.
U.S. officials say such comments by police officials leading the investigation mean Mr. Davis is unlikely to get a fair hearing if the case goes to trial.
Mr. Obama, in his first comments on the incident last week, said Mr. Davis is covered by a 1961 treaty on diplomatic immunity to which the U.S. and Pakistan are both signatories. U.S. officials said Mr. Davis's status working with the CIA in no way diminishes his right to immunity.
A court in Lahore will decide next month whether Mr. Davis has diplomatic immunity.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704476604576158393645440806.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
Pretty stupid. Might as well just sign the guy's death warrant. Paging Valerie Plame.
did you even read the story you posted
I pray to the baby jebus we can get some intelligent right wingers on this board someday
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He is on 770 from 9 to 1. Its like taking grad level phd work on economics and foreign policy every night.
Its a great show. GW listens to him all the times as well. Well worth checking out. Amazing guests every night.
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they did not out him your facts are all fu#ked up :o
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did you even read the story you posted
I pray to the baby jebus we can get some intelligent right wingers on this board someday
Since when do we take anything the ISI says to be factual, you stupid fuck? This is the same organization that experts say has upwards of 7 agents serving on the Taliban's leadership council. Obama had no reason whatsoever to confirm the ISI's claim. He did and outed the guy. Stupid move and you're an even stupider person for siding with him.
they did not out him your facts are all fu#ked up :o
Sorry, the Obama admin did. No one gives two shits about what the ISI claims as they're full of shit 99% of the time. Now go away you illiterate, uneducated, unemployed gimmick. :D :D :D :D :D
The guy is sitting in Pakistani jail, has already had a riot of prisoners trying to kill him and then Obama goes and admits he's actually a CIA agent. FAIL.
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i correct you again you fool nice spelling but no common sense :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Since when do we take anything the ISI says to be factual, you stupid fuck? This is the same organization that experts say has upwards of 7 agents serving on the Taliban's leadership council. Obama had no reason whatsoever to confirm the ISI's claim. He did and outed the guy. Stupid move and you're an even stupider person for siding with him.
Sorry, the Obama admin did. No one gives two shits about what the ISI claims as they're full of shit 99% of the time. Now go away you illiterate, uneducated, unemployed gimmick. :D :D :D :D :D
ISI outed him and released the info to the media
Stop being so stupid all the time and THINK.
Why do you think the Administration confirmed it
hint - you'll find the answer in the story you posted
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ISI outed him and released the info to the media
Stop being so stupid all the time and THINK.
Why do you think the Administration confirmed it
hint - you'll find the answer in the story you posted
The ISI could beat their chest until they were blue in the face and no one would believe them. They're arguably the least trustworthy organization on the planet and their track record proves it. This is the same organization that has agents sitting on the Taliban leadership council and is believed to be orchestrating the most violent parts of the Afghan insurgency. They have less credibility than you do.
Obama confirming it, while this guy sits in a Pakistani prison, where they had to separate him, take all the weapons from the guards and even test his food for poison, is tantamount to a death sentence. Especially given the unpopularity of the CIA-led drone program going on in Pakistan right now.
It's funny that you seem to think the ISI pulls the strings on their relationship with the CIA.
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it's fun to watch a guy try to convince himself he's right :D :D :D
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The ISI could beat their chest until they were blue in the face and no one would believe them. They're arguably the least trustworthy organization on the planet and their track record proves it. This is the same organization that has agents sitting on the Taliban leadership council and is believed to be orchestrating the most violent parts of the Afghan insurgency. They have less credibility than you do.
Obama confirming it, while this guy sits in a Pakistani prison, where they had to separate him, take all the weapons from the guards and even test his food for poison, is tantamount to a death sentence. Especially given the unpopularity of the CIA-led drone program going on in Pakistan right now.
It's funny that you seem to think the ISI pulls the strings on their relationship with the CIA.
do you think Obama Admin consulted with the CIA or just decided to do this on his own
think for a few seconds before you answer
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The sentence before the one you quoted in your previous posts destroys your entire argument about the ISI's credibility.
"A senior official with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, said Pakistan wasn't initially aware Mr. Davis was working for the CIA."
It notes that the senior ISI operative had no idea the guy was a CIA agent, basically admitting that he was outed by the US (i.e. the Obama admin). And how would the ISI become aware of that? You honestly think the CIA would out one of their own operatives? Ha. Wishful thinking.
Think a few seconds before you answer. It's going to take some damn good kneepadding to word your way around that.
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The Associated Press
updated 2/21/2011
WASHINGTON — An American jailed in Pakistan for the fatal shooting of two armed men was secretly working for the CIA and scouting a neighborhood when he was arrested, a disclosure likely to further frustrate U.S. government efforts to free the man and strain relations between two countries partnered in a fragile alliance in the war on terror.
Raymond Allen Davis, 36, had been working as a CIA security contractor and living in a Lahore safe house, according to former and current U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to talk publicly about the incident.
Davis, a former Special Forces soldier who left the military in 2003, shot the men in what he described as an attempted armed robbery in the eastern city of Lahore as they approached him on a motorcycle. A third Pakistani, a bystander, died when a car rushing to help Davis struck him. Davis was carrying a Glock handgun, a pocket telescope and papers with different identifications.
..Meanwhile, the Obama administration insisted anew Monday that Davis had diplomatic immunity and must be set free.
In a hastily arranged conference call with reporters shortly after details of Davis' employment were reported, senior State Department officials repeated the administration's stance that he is an accredited member of the technical and administrative staff of the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad. They said the Pakistani government had been informed of his status in January 2010 and that Pakistan is violating its international obligations by continuing to hold him.
The officials would not comment on Davis' employment but said it was irrelevant to the case because Pakistan had not rejected his status The officials spoke only on grounds of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
The revelation that Davis was an employee of the CIA comes amid a tumultuous dispute over whether he is immune from criminal prosecution under international rules enacted to protect diplomats overseas. New protests in Pakistan erupted after The Guardian newspaper in London decided to publish details about Davis' relationship with the CIA.
.The U.S. had repeatedly asserted that Davis had diplomatic immunity and should have been released immediately. The State Department claimed Davis was "entitled to full criminal immunity in accordance with the Vienna Convention" and was a member of the "technical and administrative staff" at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad.
The Associated Press learned about Davis working for the CIA last month, immediately after the shootings, but withheld publication of the information because it could endanger his life while he was jailed overseas, with at least some protesters there calling for his execution as a spy.
The AP had intended to report Davis' CIA employment after he was out of harm's way, but the story was broken Sunday by The Guardian. The CIA asked The AP and several other U.S. media outlets to hold their stories as the U.S. tried to improve Davis' security situation.
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Good underlining. That, coupled with the fact that the ISI had no idea he was a CIA agent, pretty much shows that the CIA wasn't involved in outing the guy, leaving only the Obama admin as responsible. Or do you think your every day White House desk jockey is privy to which CIA operatives are working in Pakistan, arguably the most covert of all operations the CIA is doing right now? Did you intend to self-own yourself like that?
All signs point to Obama throwing this guy to the wolves. It's not surprising that two of the stupidest people on this board are incapable of seeing that. Not surprising given that one would struggle to pass third grade English and the other thinks George Washington was a far-left whackjob like himself as well as actually arguing that the near-bankruptcy post office is doing "fine". :D :D :D
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The sentence before the one you quoted in your previous posts destroys your entire argument about the ISI's credibility.
"A senior official with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, said Pakistan wasn't initially aware Mr. Davis was working for the CIA."
It notes that the senior ISI operative had no idea the guy was a CIA agent, basically admitting that he was outed by the US (i.e. the Obama admin). And how would the ISI become aware of that? You honestly think the CIA would out one of their own operatives? Ha. Wishful thinking.
Think a few seconds before you answer. It's going to take some damn good kneepadding to word your way around that.
you're aware of the defintion the definition of the word "initially"?
Now, again, try to take some time and think about this
Can you speculate on some reason why the Obama Admin might, at this point confirm he worked for the CIA
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All signs point to Obama throwing this guy to the wolves
only in your simple mind but hey at lease you didn't get the news from fox nation or did you. :D :D :D i'm sure glen beck will agree with you :D :D :D :D :D
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BF - put on 770 now. Batchelor is discussing this now.
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"CIA spy" Davis was giving nuclear bomb material to Al-Qaeda, says report
Yahoo ^ | 2/20/2011 | ANI | ANI
Double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis has been found in possession of top-secret CIA documents, which point to him or the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) operating in the region, providing Al-Qaeda terrorists with "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents," according to a report.
Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned "grave" as it appears that open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States, The European Union Times reports.
The SVR warned in its report that the apprehension of 36-year-old Davis, who shot dead two Pakistani men in Lahore last month, had fuelled this crisis.
According to the report, the combat skills exhibited by Davis, along with documentation taken from him after his arrest, prove that he is a member of US' TF373 black operations unit currently operating in the Afghan War Theatre and Pakistan's tribal areas, the paper said.
(Excerpt) Read more at in.news.yahoo.com ...
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The Russian KGB or what ever they are called is a very reliable source. Can Americans get any more dumbed down. i would take that story with a grain of salt ::) sounds to me like a trumped up charge to hold him :o
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The Russian KGB or what ever they are called is a very reliable source. Can Americans get any more dumbed down. i would take that story with a grain of salt ::) sounds to me like a trumped up charge to hold him :o
I agree, take it with a grain of salt.
Not sure why the Admin outed this guy. Dude's got some serious balls being in that shithole and gathering intel for us.