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I know people that train them daily and some 5 or 6 days a week
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Never.
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despite what Tbombz or whatever other internet guru is about to post, Abs cannot be overtrained
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despite what Tbombz or whatever other internet guru is about to post, Abs cannot be overtrained
JNN, you got some sick abs, may I ask how often you train abs?
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overtrained, can't be overtrained?
sory jnn, but if you train abs like me you WILL overtrain them 8)
twice a week tops.
dipends what you want though... I want to improve my ab wheel power... and if you train ab wheel correctly (from standing stance) you cant train abs even twice a week because it's just impossible... you will just wear them out, they won't get better.
First do ab wheel from standing stance 4 sets, then do ab wheel 4 sets from kneeling stance, then do stomac crunches against the wall 4 sets, and then lower abs 4 sets.
each set as many reps as you can.... lol train abs like that every day? Doubt it.
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JNN, you got some sick abs, may I ask how often you train abs?
2-3x's a day
I don't have but I choose to....it's more out of compulsion than necessity
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you should train abs once every 6 months
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Dorian Yates only trains his abs before contest..
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Don't waste your time
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2-3x's a day
I don't have but I choose to....it's more out of compulsion than necessity
3 exercises, and three sets consistenting of high reps?
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Depends on the volume and intensity.
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Never.
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I quit having any of my clients and athletes do almost any type of "crunching" movement years ago.
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I quit having any of my clients and athletes do almost any type of "crunching" movement years ago.
Just curious, what is your thought process behind that protocol? and when you say clients are you including bodybuilders you train?
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I don't train bodybuilders. I'll explain why when I get to a computer. But it has almost everything to do with lumbar flexion, injury and disk degeneration.
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whenever your not sore
im natural now cause I only take shit that occurs in your body naturally
test t3 gh
im GBnatural like all you fckwits try and portray yourself as on a board that facilitates bodybuidling
bodybuilding = here
'natural' twinks = gucci ads and mens health forum :o
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whenever your not sore
im natural now cause I only take shit that occurs in your body naturally
test t3 gh
im GBnatural like all you fckwits try and portray yourself as on a board that facilitates bodybuidling
bodybuilding = here
'natural' twinks = gucci ads and mens health forum :o
;D
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Timmy does them everyday 365 days a year. Always been obsessed with having a six pack.
But, Timmy eats too much chocolate and has too much fun with the chocolate ladies, thus upping his fat and cortisol levels...
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3 exercises, and three sets consistenting of high reps?
it changes from session to session
i get bored fast
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I don't train bodybuilders. I'll explain why when I get to a computer. But it has almost everything to do with lumbar flexion, injury and disk degeneration.
???
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chocolate
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm chocolate donuts
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i been doing 3 sets of abs every time im in the gym for the past couple weeks. been working pretty damn good. spot reduction or not i notice a difference in belly fat just by adding lots of abs. (i do bodyweight exercises, 3 sets only but now im up to about 20 reps per set)
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Set a goal and past it. Easy now it's just routine. Speaking of chocolate though. Timmy was just floating around the Caribbean. Island girls do it better.
which islands?
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In hs i did everyday. Now once a week.
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I've done every ab form of "ab training" imaginable. Mine grew really well, and I stopped training them years ago. I mean once a week I'll do some incline reverse crunches, decline crunches, and bang out a few sets on some weighted ab machine, but I don't think it's really necessary.
Honestly I don't know what to tell you, but I wouldn't worry too much about training them. If you can do a set of fifty jacknives and max out a weighted crunch machine, I don't think you're going to get much more out of your abs doing ab specific workouts.
I tend to agree with coach though -- I think crunching motions are mostly good for spinal degeneration and high blood pressure.
Of course I still do them. ::)
It's funny how people will do a billion specific exercises for their abs but none for the spinal erectors, when they perform pretty much analogous roles.
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whenever your not sore
im natural now cause I only take shit that occurs in your body naturally
test t3 gh
im GBnatural like all you fckwits try and portray yourself as on a board that facilitates bodybuidling
bodybuilding = here
'natural' twinks = gucci ads and mens health forum :o
;D ;D ;D ;D
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training abs?? lol
abs are trained in the kitchen,,you want abs naturally you eat less garbage or eat more garbage and pray you have high natural gh in body and you will knwo it very well because the whores wil be all over you ages 16-22,,
if hormonized...gh and all you can eat buffet will get your abs showing nicely lol,, 9% easily! after 3 months of constant use of gh with ANY TYPE OF DIET YOU CHOOSE,,you heard this right ,,you will see your abs at 9% or under on any type of diet of your choice if you been on legit gh at 5 iu or more for 3 months
any type of diet you chose still doesnt = drinking oil all day ,,it mean restaurant burger,,sushi,,jamaican,,german,,etc wont matter you will be single digit within 3 months of gh usage unles you started at 25-30% ,,most fellas who start gh are between 10-15% and go into single digits effortless within 3 months on the gh
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standing stance ab wheel = only way to go
the other guy using rubber robe to give extra presure
that's how you train abs... not these fancy pancy elements portrayed here; "How can I train abs without training them"... well you can't...
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lol the other guy using rubber robe to give extra presure
that's how you train abs... not these fancy pancy elements portrayed here; "How can I train abs without training them"... well you can't...
you dont trsain abs when experienced bodybuild,,many exercise touch them indirectly and you just dont train them on regular basis and usually not at all,,it is lower bodyfat that will show abs,,again sometime you are single digit and still dont see abdominal clear because you are water fountain see mr 13 place flex show dan hell,,but! abs are not traind via exercise ,,exercise only will grow your midsection when you want to keep it tight and appear small especially with all the hormones,,you train abs in kitchen and the hormones do the rest
gh15 approved
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ofcourse i mention dan hell as joke ,,he has lovely abdominal ,,he is consistantly around 6-7% he just not good in dialing in ,,just dont bombard me with pm that i insult someone as usual
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you dont trsain abs when experienced bodybuild,,many exercise touch them indirectly and you just dont train them on regular basis and usually not at all,,it is lower bodyfat that will show abs,,again sometime you are single digit and still dont see abdominal clear because you are water fountain see mr 13 place flex show dan hell,,but! abs are not traind via exercise ,,exercise only will grow your midsection when you want to keep it tight and appear small especially with all the hormones,,you train abs in kitchen and the hormones do the rest
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if you want hard/strong midsection you need to train abs aswell.
olympic weightlifters all train abs very hard and they are 100000x stronger than any bodybuilder.
Abs get visible easyer when you train them VERY hard, but ofcourse diet is the number one factory to get them visible. I was talkigng about getting them strong.
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you dont trsain abs when experienced bodybuild,,many exercise touch them indirectly and you just dont train them on regular basis and usually not at all,,it is lower bodyfat that will show abs,,again sometime you are single digit and still dont see abdominal clear because you are water fountain see mr 13 place flex show dan hell,,but! abs are not traind via exercise ,,exercise only will grow your midsection when you want to keep it tight and appear small especially with all the hormones,,you train abs in kitchen and the hormones do the rest
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Which exercises train abs indirectly
Also are you saying training abs is useless ??? ???
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Which exercises train abs indirectly
Also are you saying training abs is useless ??? ???
nothing is usless,,drinking milk 4% is also not usless but i just dont do it,,some do some dont,,what i say is that for advance bodybuild the ab training is usless,,we already have abs straining from anything we do any exercise involving chest back legs all you work your abs every squiz your abs work my friend,,the thing with abs is that if you want them to show you need to have low body fat and even then YOU NEED TO HAVE LOWER WATER RETENTION !! how many time you see fella liek groink from this board ,,the fella has muscle from here to china and back big fella hard toned yet abs dont show,,line not show,,he is not high bodyfat,,around 12% why nto show then? they not show because the water retention ! ! ! notice on his midsection he has hard and solid midsection but no abs,,,its because the water retention there is high.....
so not everyone with sub 12% can see abs ,,,the fellas with high water retention will only see them clear at true 7-8% ,,,soem fellas walk around 10% and do not see abs ...they see lines shape but nothing with deep cuts...why? again water retention ,,those are the fellas who need to get down to 7-8% to see the abs clearly
so again ,,it is in the kitchen and in the drug department where you design your abs ...not in the gym,,yes you can get your midsection stronger,,but for the bodybuildr there arre better options out there especially the advance one ,,the begginer yes but the advance ones rarly touch abs
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Which exercises train abs indirectly
Also are you saying training abs is useless ??? ???
squats and deadlifts are the best abs exercises. ;)
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if you want hard/strong midsection you need to train abs aswell.
olympic weightlifters all train abs very hard and they are 100000x stronger than any bodybuilder.
Abs get visible easyer when you train them VERY hard, but ofcourse diet is the number one factory to get them visible. I was talkigng about getting them strong.
I agree...if you want deep abs...no kitchen will help you, you must train them...
For example me...even at low bf% my abs are definately "not cool"...why? because i didnt train them all these years!
I started training them this year religiously...and they have definately thickened up.
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squats and deadlifts are the best abs exercises. ;)
especially front squats. ;)
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especially front squats. ;)
true, i love front squats. ;D ;D
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true, i love front squats. ;D ;D
Have you tried "box squats" in this piece of "equipment"?
(http://feeds2.yourstorewizards.com/1150/images/250x1000/hot-seat-vibrator-sex-toy-furniture.jpg)
Its Bay Likeyyyy!!! ::)
;D
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true, i love front squats. ;D ;D
Now seriously, at my strongest i used to do 160kgs ~ 352 pounds front squats for reps and by the end of the set i would feel my abs were tight..
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Now seriously, at my strongest i used to do 160kgs ~ 352 pounds front squats for reps and by the end of the set i would feel my abs were tight..
how much can you do now days?
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Do some research and find out what Vince Gironda had to say about ab training.
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Do some research and find out what Vince Gironda had to say about ab training.
LOL!!!!
Or wait until TA copy-pastes a lengthy article about ab training on getbig. ;D ;D ;D
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how much can you do now days?
well this was the past summer...now i do 100 kilos for the same reps (4-6), offcycle.
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I agree...if you want deep abs...no kitchen will help you, you must train them...
For example me...even at low bf% my abs are definately "not cool"...why? because i didnt train them all these years!
I started training them this year religiously...and they have definately thickened up.
wrong again,,
notice what you see happen to our midsecion when we go on growth hormone,,all together now pupils....it start seperating and growing apart,,you know that space between the abdominals the median line is somewhere in the middle and then from both side of it there is space....very similar to the space in ones front teeth that you see on many individuals....
this space is how your body respond to high doses of growth hormone,,legit growth hormone,,
what create the big developed skin tight abs is GROWTH HORMONE and the consistant usage of ANABOLICS,, the abs then grow like any other part of the body and seperate ..... the skin tighten aroudn them and they push out ....it happen into 6th month of gh usage at any dosages as long as legit gh ,,and it happen drasticaly when adding insulin to the gh at high doses where the abs start prutruding and go through the skin no matter how much you worked or didnt work them ,,the abs grow like any other muscle and thats what create this deepness,,
we are long pass the time when the bodybuilder set in gym and did 500 crunches,,,long long past this time
now day what create big developed abdominals is the gh ,,the steroid and then the insulin that is added ,,all that along with prep diet will take your abs and shoot them into a new level due to lower and lower bodyfat that has nothing to do with diet directly as i said 100 time before due to hgh but! but! less water retention that has LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTS TO DO WITH diet,,
bodybuilder mainly diet to get rid of 3% bodyfat and water due to water retention ,,the abs will be there no matter what moment body fat us low enough and more importently they will be there even at 10% if! water retention is not very high ,, at 8-9% everyone start seeing abs pretty clear even if water rention and 7% is where you see the tunel starting to show,,from then on is mainly water manipulation and little bit of fat
so thats that
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Do some research and find out what Vince Gironda had to say about ab training.
can you post his ideas? Im a bit lazy to search.
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well this was the past summer...now i do 100 kilos for the same reps (4-6), offcycle.
that's all? I was thinking you would still be bale to do with 130kg....
even I can handle that weight in front squats.
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I know that I need ab isolation exercises. Front squats didn't make my abs stronger, but planks did. I noticed that 3 sets of easy weighted planks activated my abs more than 10 heavy front squat sets did. I think everyone who wants to have a good front squat (not just mediocre, I mean really good) should try different ab exercises because you'll never know.
Ab wheel didn't work for the gym strength like the plank did, but it is the best exercise I have tried for hypertrophy.
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I think everyone who wants to have a good front squat (not just mediocre, I mean really good) should try different ab exercises because you'll never know.
You want a big squat? Try to stretch out your stomach as much as possible. Get the circumference as big as possible. Try to get as much visceral fat as possible. Worked for me! :D
Lots of sugar.
Lots of solid bloating food.
Gallon of milk a day.
:D
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I know that I need ab isolation exercises. Front squats didn't make my abs stronger, but planks did. I noticed that 3 sets of easy weighted planks activated my abs more than 10 heavy front squat sets did. I think everyone who wants to have a good front squat (not just mediocre, I mean really good) should try different ab exercises because you'll never know.
Ab wheel didn't work for the gym strength like the plank did, but it is the best exercise I have tried for hypertrophy.
These isolate a whole lot...
(http://www.pacillo.com/products/keys_mini_ab_bench_b.jpg)
(http://www.tkstar.com/07used/images/flex_ab.jpg)
(http://garage-workbench.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ab-bench.jpg)
(https://www.bbfitness.com/storefront/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/6/167.jpg)
(http://schellers.com/merchant/136/images/large/RMA320.jpg)
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You want a big squat? Try to stretch out your stomach as much as possible. Get the circumference as big as possible. Try to get as much visceral fat as possible. Worked for me! :D
Lots of sugar.
Lots of solid bloating food.
Gallon of milk a day.
:D
That is true in a sense. Though I don't try to artificially stretch my midsection but the muscularity will make it thicker. I think whatever, gives me confidence that I really have strength there.
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I know that I need ab isolation exercises. Front squats didn't make my abs stronger, but planks did. I noticed that 3 sets of easy weighted planks activated my abs more than 10 heavy front squat sets did. I think everyone who wants to have a good front squat (not just mediocre, I mean really good) should try different ab exercises because you'll never know.
Ab wheel didn't work for the gym strength like the plank did, but it is the best exercise I have tried for hypertrophy.
Planks are great, i did a lot of core work in the last year, helped me greatly with my deadlift and squats.
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I'm curious DK, how much can you pull, and what's your bodyweight?
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Have you tried "box squats" in this piece of "equipment"?
(http://feeds2.yourstorewizards.com/1150/images/250x1000/hot-seat-vibrator-sex-toy-furniture.jpg)
Its Bay Likeyyyy!!! ::)
;D
Ever peek inside the women only section of the gym? :-X
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bodybuilder mainly diet to get rid of 3% bodyfat and water due to water retention ,,the abs will be there no matter what moment body fat us low enough and more importently they will be there even at 10% if! water retention is not very high ,, at 8-9% everyone start seeing abs pretty clear even if water rention and 7% is where you see the tunel starting to show,,from then on is mainly water manipulation and little bit of fat
so thats that
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Not sure about this. My abs are showing with a clear line that goes through the middle, actually if I flex it right there's like a half inch depression between the abs. But at the same time I have very little veins showing, the three big heads on my quad muscles can barely be told apart, and my delts are only slightly striated. Everything else besides the abs would indicate that I'm above 12-13% bf at the least. But according to your logic I'm sub 8%bf.
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i never train abs i dont believe in it
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I agree...if you want deep abs...no kitchen will help you, you must train them...
For example me...even at low bf% my abs are definately "not cool"...why? because i didnt train them all these years!
I started training them this year religiously...and they have definately thickened up.
Agree 100% - I have no idea what gh15 is on about but from my personal experience when I dieted down five or six years ago I'd never been able to see my abs because I'd never trained them - you can't define what you don't have.
It's only in the last two years or so I've now got abs because I train them at least once a week with heavy resistance.
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3 or 4 xs a week for me.
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I train abs once or twice a month, when I do I honestly use the 8 minute abs DVD, but I think abs are genetic/diet/cardio..
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i never train abs i dont believe in it
me neither, I'll do it every blue moon, but I won't ever have defined abs so it's a mute point
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me neither, I'll do it every blue moon, but I won't ever have defined abs so it's a mute point
Concentrate on more lineal and rotational core strength.
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Concentrate on more lineal and rotational core strength.
been doing alot more core the past month in the late afternoon workouts
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twice a week is more than enough
your abs get a lot of secondary work from squating, deadlifting and overhead pressing movements
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unless you're lean enough training abs more than once a week is a bit of a waste of time.
get really lean, then train the shit out of them 3 times a week, then you'll see a major difference.
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twice a week is more than enough
your abs get a lot of secondary work from squating, deadlifting and overhead pressing movements
I love this phrase...you read it almost all the time on forums. This, along with "biceps and/or forearms getting worked enough from back training".
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abs are like calves (barring dieting)
either you have em or not...
still id say 2 times a week max...
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training abs?? lol
abs are trained in the kitchen,,you want abs naturally you eat less garbage or eat more garbage and pray you have high natural gh in body and you will knwo it very well because the whores wil be all over you ages 16-22,,
if hormonized...gh and all you can eat buffet will get your abs showing nicely lol,, 9% easily! after 3 months of constant use of gh with ANY TYPE OF DIET YOU CHOOSE,,you heard this right ,,you will see your abs at 9% or under on any type of diet of your choice if you been on legit gh at 5 iu or more for 3 months
any type of diet you chose still doesnt = drinking oil all day ,,it mean restaurant burger,,sushi,,jamaican,,german,,etc wont matter you will be single digit within 3 months of gh usage unles you started at 25-30% ,,most fellas who start gh are between 10-15% and go into single digits effortless within 3 months on the gh
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spoken turth here - havernt done abs since 05, I squat heavy and do alot of lower back
if abs are your 'core' - and you strengthen everythg around the 'core' wouldnt it HAVE to develop so why isolate
if I do abs my left center of my 4 pak cramps up for 4 hours and I cant breathe or take a dump :'(
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spoken turth here - havernt done abs since 05, I squat heavy and do alot of lower back
if abs are your 'core' - and you strengthen everythg around the 'core' wouldnt it HAVE to develop so why isolate
if I do abs my left center of my 4 pak cramps up for 4 hours and I cant breathe or take a dump :'(
;D
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spoken turth here - havernt done abs since 05, I squat heavy and do alot of lower back
:P :P :P
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I was stuck at the same weight on squats for a long time. I started working abs hard (for the first time) and I'm squating more than ever finally.
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I was stuck at the same weight on squats for a long time. I started working abs hard (for the first time) and I'm squating more than ever finally.
can you see any difference in the ab area because of squatting more?
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the worse thing in the world,,is to see bodybuild with large waist and midsection ,,look at jason he look real bad I MEAN REAL BAD no matter how manyh o he win he will never be remember for great physiqe and he know it,,he just wont ,,he will be remember for being heavy thick and really not grainy heavy thick but more of a insulin heavy thick,,very bad memory no matter how much he win ,,its mainly because of the waiist and loss his v taper which wasnt all that amazing back in the day but now day its catastrophic,,
now,, when you train abs and obliqes you will grow that section no matter what you think,,this section of body need to remain tight and appear small to be good bodybuild,,i know now day no one care but in reality the first thign that say you are in great shape is tight small waist or atleast waist that appear small nd wide shoulders,, this is number one importance look at lee hainey! this is very very important because ONLY THOSE FELLAS WIL BE ABLE TO PASS 17 INCH ARMS AS 19 INCH ARMS ONLY THOSE FELLAS WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE ILLUSION OF BEING MUCH BIGGER THAN THEY ARE USUALLY 15-20 LB LOOK BIGGER THAN ACTUAL WEIGHT,,and this abs are develop in the kitchen and in the drug department,,yes working abdoinal is optional and begginers do it a lot it create some kind of foundation ,,but! the abs will be ther ewhen bodyfat is low enough and ofcourse when water retention is not out of control,,
lean = abs,,it is genetic too and some fellas wont have abs no matter how hard and lean they are see boyer,,abs is matter of genetic and how lean you are and even more importento how much water your hold...you can be as lean as a mother fucking chita and still not see lower abs why? becuse you hold too much waterr rr rr rr ,,
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Not sure about this. My abs are showing with a clear line that goes through the middle, actually if I flex it right there's like a half inch depression between the abs. But at the same time I have very little veins showing, the three big heads on my quad muscles can barely be told apart, and my delts are only slightly striated. Everything else besides the abs would indicate that I'm above 12-13% bf at the least. But according to your logic I'm sub 8%bf.
if you can see your abdominal clear you are sub 8% meaning UNDER 8%
if you can see the lines and see the shape of them but seratus and outter abs are more defined than inner abs ,,median line is visible,, then that mean you hold water on you and not so much fat and you are between 8 and 10%
if you see the median line that seperate right from left side but you cant see much more it can either mean you have too much fat or too much water and for that i need to see direct pictures to decide including lower back,,usually those fellas run are between 8 and 12 % depending on if its water or fat that cover the midsection
so yes if your abs are showig with clear line in the middle you are most likley 8-10% bodyfat,,if you show picture i can tell you exactly how much bodyfat you are,,with what you describe with out seeing picture i will say its 8-10% and due to water rentention you think you are 12 like other idiot bodybuild around the world
people always do it they confuse water and fat and it happen almost always between 7 and 12 %
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if you can see your abdominal clear you are sub 8% meaning UNDER 8%
if you can see the lines and see the shape of them but seratus and outter abs are more defined than inner abs ,,median line is visible,, then that mean you hold water on you and not so much fat and you are between 8 and 10%
if you see the median line that seperate right from left side but you cant see much more it can either mean you have too much fat or too much water and for that i need to see direct pictures to decide including lower back,,usually those fellas run are between 8 and 12 % depending on if its water or fat that cover the midsection
so yes if your abs are showig with clear line in the middle you are most likley 8-10% bodyfat,,if you show picture i can tell you exactly how much bodyfat you are,,with what you describe with out seeing picture i will say its 8-10% and due to water rentention you think you are 12 like other idiot bodybuild around the world
people always do it they confuse water and fat and it happen almost always between 7 and 12 %
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Most likely too much fat. Might just be my ab genetics that screw it up.