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Lose to Clevland...LOL!
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so did the lakers last week. It wont matter though
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True but no, that doesn't really matter..lol!
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Knicks will get to atleast a conference finals in the next 5 years. They have changed the game of NY bball after such a dismal past decade+
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they have amare. and carmelo. and are coached by D'a'n'to'ni.
this translates to lots of scoring and ZERO DEFENSE. the Cavs outrebounded them by 20, hahahahha, cant win big games if you dont play defense.
look for the knicks to have a couple seasons of pretty good records, and maybe a few playoff series wins, but thats as far as they will go.
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you are talking about soccer right?
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unless chris paul gets there and distributes the ball...they are doomed for nothingness. anthony is just there for bright lights, big city vs the shithole called colorado. really...there isnt a more pathetic state. nice going anthony to get out of that hell hole.
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unless chris paul gets there and distributes the ball...they are doomed for nothingness. anthony is just there for bright lights, big city vs the shithole called colorado. really...there isnt a more pathetic state. nice going anthony to get out of that hell hole.
Are you serious?
They have Chauncey Billups running the point......
He's one of the best point guards of the past decade and he's still got some mileage left in him.
Their main problem is they are a small team without much depth now after that trade.
They'll be hell to play in the 1st round of the playoffs and next season will be better if they can add another marque player and add a bit more size inside/depth.
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Playoff basketball is possession basketball. It's about execution on an individual aspect, both by player and by team possession. This is why D'antoni has failed previously in the playoffs.
The Knicks have just added the 5th best player in the league, and both of their stars are excellent half court players. The Knicks will be very good in years to come, assuming they bring in the right role players, D'antoni's system will allow them to win enough games in the regular season to get a home court first round series, and they will advance to an eastern conference finals in the next 5 years.
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Playoff basketball is possession basketball. It's about execution on an individual aspect, both by player and by team possession. This is why D'antoni has failed previously in the playoffs.
The Knicks have just added the 5th best player in the league, and both of their stars are excellent half court players. The Knicks will be very good in years to come, assuming they bring in the right role players, D'antoni's system will allow them to win enough games in the regular season to get a home court first round series, and they will advance to an eastern conference finals in the next 5 years.
Who is the fifth best player in the league???
I can name 10 players right now id rather have then carmelo.
He's a damn good player. But def not a top 5 guy in the nba.
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i have a question
do any of you even play basketball?
not when you were young, but now.
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i have a question
do any of you even play basketball?
not when you were young, but now.
Thinking of going back to play with balls?
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i have a question
do any of you even play basketball?
not when you were young, but now.
I havent played in about 2 years. And the last time before that was about 4 years ago.
So im due!
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i have a question
do any of you even play basketball?
not when you were young, but now.
No, Im too old. But I did in college.
Who is the fifth best player in the league???
I can name 10 players right now id rather have then carmelo.
He's a damn good player. But def not a top 5 guy in the nba.
Carmelo is the 5th best player in the league.
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you dont win finals -or get there for that matter- with only two good offensive players, the rest of the team being made of scrubs and with no defense. They re going to get crushed by
bulls
spurs
lakers
mavs
celtics
notice i didnt mention magic or heat, who have no chance either. A team is more than just one or two good/great players.
And a big lol at slashing a team that was just gelling. Poor felton, mozgov, gallo. generation "i want it all i want i now" going nowhere by ignoring the basics.
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you dont win finals -or get there for that matter- with only two good offensive players, the rest of the team being made of scrubs and with no defense. They re going to get crushed by
bulls
spurs
lakers
mavs
celtics
notice i didnt mention magic or heat, who have no chance either. A team is more than just one or two good/great players.
And a big lol at slashing a team that was just gelling. Poor felton, mozgov, gallo. generation "i want it all i want i now" going nowhere by ignoring the basics.
Of course you dont. You do however get to a championship game by building a team around foundation players. And that is exactly what melo and amare are. This season is a wash, but as I said, in the next 5 years they will be adding pieces while other teams you mentioned change.
It doesnt matter if they were gelling as they were, they were never going anywhere with that team, and in pro sports its win it all or just another loser.
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mavs spurs celtics and lakers are clearely firing their last bullets. I see mavs and spurs ending like the suns. I guess lakers will get girffin or howard who knows.
I dont know if heat and knicks are going to become the next powerhouses. I guess bosh is going to ge this ass traded for quality role players. He doesnt mix with alpha males like wade and lebron who took control of everything as soon as he joined. He s the weakest link in the trio and im sure lebron has alrdy convinced wade that he doesnt belong to their team.
Where dwight howard is going to land next is also going to change a lot of things. It would be funny to see him with deron in new jersey.
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mavs spurs celtics and lakers are clearely firing their last bullets.
I dont know if heat and knicks are going to become the next powerhouses.
Where dwight h is going to land is going to change a lot of things.
agreed completely, but in this guard dominated league he will have to align himself with a perimeter presence to win.
with the 4 teams you mentioned on the down slope, the heat knicks bulls thunder are certainly positioning themselves properly to be serious contenders in the next 5 years.
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I havent played in about 2 years. And the last time before that was about 4 years ago.
So im due!
No, Im too old. But I did in college.
Carmelo is the 5th best player in the league.
thought so. i like playing basketball, havent played in a long time. never got into watching it on t.v. however.
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agreed completely, but in this guard dominated league he will have to align himself with a perimeter presence to win.
with the 4 teams you mentioned on the down slope, the heat knicks bulls thunder are certainly positioning themselves properly to be serious contenders in the next 5 years.
yeah i forgot the thunder sorry for that, i knew one was missing .
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yeah i forgot the thunder sorry for that, i knew one was missing .
Yep, Durant may just be the best player in the league over the next 5 years, and may very likely win multiple multiple scoring titles.
There has not been a single team in the last 40 years to win a title who doesnt have a hall of fame player on their roster.
The stars win in the nba.
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No, Im too old. But I did in college.
Carmelo is the 5th best player in the league.
Heres 10 players off the top of my head who id rather have on my team than carmelo ( who is just a scorer and not even the best pure scorer in the league, that honour goes to kevin durant. )
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant
Pao Gasol
Dwight Howard
Now dont get me wrong, Carmelo is a damn good player. But definetely not top 5 in the league. He does one thing. Score.
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Heres 10 players off the top of my head who id rather have on my team than carmelo ( who is just a scorer and not even the best pure scorer in the league, that honour goes to kevin durant. )
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant
Pao Gasol
Dwight Howard
No you wouldnt. And if you would, well thats why youre not an nba exec lol. Not that I am, but your list is wrong.
The top 3 in the league are:
kobe, lebron, durant. You can argue who is 1-3, kobe will be the first to fall out of there due to age, but hes clearly the most accomplished and goes down as the best of the 3 till they start winning multiple titles.
#4 is wade
#5 is melo.
Even amare has publicly deferred to melo in press conference as the leader. Amare never did nor would win as the primary option.
The nba is about perimeter players who can take over the game and score. In order to win a GREAT player MUST be the primary option.
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Yep, Durant may just be the best player in the league over the next 5 years, and may very likely win multiple multiple scoring titles.
There has not been a single team in the last 40 years to win a title who doesnt have a hall of fame player on their roster.
The starts win in the nba.
2004 detroit pistons
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thought so. i like playing basketball, havent played in a long time. never got into watching it on t.v. however.
I have always followed basketball very closely. My body just wasnt cut out for it unfortunately.
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2004 detroit pistons
Rasheed Wallace will be in the HOF. But lol I knew someone was gonna bring that up..
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No you wouldnt. And if you would, well thats why youre not an nba exec lol. Not that I am, but your list is wrong.
The top 3 in the league are:
kobe, lebron, durant. You can argue who is 1-3, kobe will be the first to fall out of there due to age, but hes clearly the most accomplished and goes down as the best of the 3 till they start winning multiple titles.
#4 is wade
#5 is melo.
Even amare has publicly deferred to melo in press conference as the leader. Amare never did nor would win as the primary option.
The nba is about perimeter playerstake over the game and score. In order to win a GREAT player MUST be the primary option.
Sorry but you're wrong the nba is about size!
Thats why the lakers have been in the finals the past 3 years and almost every single nba champion EVER has had a dominant post player.
Defense and ez baskets ( inside scoring ) and depth win in the league. Perimiter players are great but they dont win you big games. Thats why the heat are 1-7 against the lakers, celtics, bulls, and san antonio this year.
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Sorry but you're wrong the nba is about size!
Thats why the lakers have been in the finals the past 3 years and almost every single nba champion EVER has had a dominant post player.
Defense and ez baskets ( inside scoring ) and depth win in the league. Perimiter players are great but they dont win you big games. Thats why the heat are 1-7 against the lakers, celtics, bulls, and san antonio this year.
this is correct
and rasheed in the HOF is kinda iffy.
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No you are both wrong.
1st regular season means nothing. So it doesnt matter what the heats record is vs whoever.
2nd Sheed definitely gets in.
3rd perimeter greats can win with role bigs much easier than superstar bigs with no outside presence. It just doesnt happen.
These are facts.
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No you are both wrong.
1st regular season means nothing. So it doesnt matter what the heats record is vs whoever.
2nd Sheed definitely gets in.
3rd perimeter greats can win with role bigs much easier than superstar bigs with no outside presence. It just doesnt happen.
These are facts.
Sorry bro but you're totally wrong.
With the exception of the chicago bulls with the greatest player who's played the game and one year the pistons won the championship. Every team in the past 25 years who has won an nba championship has had a dominant big!
Now thats a fact.
And you're right regular season means nothing, thats why teams like the phoenix suns and cleveland cavaliers have had great reg seasons records but have fizzled in the postseason.
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I cant believe you guys are even arguing this. Since the magic/bird era, ie the modern era of nba basketball, it has been an unquestionably perimeter dominated league. Look at who the finals MVP was in the last 30 years. It was a perimeter player twice as often as a big. This is a perimeter player dominated league and the great ones are the ones who win. Period.
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Sorry bro but you're totally wrong.
With the exception of the chicago bulls with the greatest player who's played the game and one year the pistons won the championship. Every team in the past 25 years who has won an nba championship has had a dominant big!
Now thats a fact.
And you're right regular season means nothing, thats why teams like the phoenix suns and cleveland cavaliers have had great reg seasons records but have fizzled in the postseason.
exactly. the jordan-pippen bulls are the SOLE team as far back as i can remember who won a title without a dominance front court.
Kobe (best perimeter player in the world) could not win until he got Gasol in the great collusions of 2008... the Lakers for the last 3 years have had by far the best front court in the nba.
celtics won with KG and the rest of their manufactured super team (2nd best front court in the nba besides the Lakers)
Spurs leaned on Duncan
Rockets had Olajuwon
the list gpes on and on
in the playoffs the game slows down, and the teams with the best half court execution, paint scoring, and defense wins.
the past is littered with the corpses of the hyped-up high scoring regular season teams (shaq-hardaway magic, early 2000's kings, nash-stoudemire suns, all the dallas teams, etc etc..)
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I cant believe you guys are even arguing this. Since the magic/bird era, ie the modern era of nba basketball, it has been an unquestionably perimeter dominated league. Look at who the finals MVP was in the last 30 years. It was a perimeter player twice as often as a big. This is a perimeter player dominated league and the great ones are the ones who win. Period.
ROFL you are completely wrong, the entire 80's and 90's were big-man dominated eras...its only since around 2003ish that its become a perimeter player's league. and even then, its STILL the teams with the best front courts that win playoff series. the sole exception to this has been the Jordan bulls.
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I cant believe you guys are even arguing this. Since the magic/bird era, ie the modern era of nba basketball, it has been an unquestionably perimeter dominated league. Look at who the finals MVP was in the last 30 years. It was a perimeter player twice as often as a big. This is a perimeter player dominated league and the great ones are the ones who win. Period.
I cant believe you are arguing this either.
Because what im saying is fact lol.
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ROFL you are completely wrong, the entire 80's and 90's were big-man dominated eras...its only since around 2003ish that its become a perimeter player's league. and even then, its STILL the teams with the best front courts that win playoff series. the sole exception to this has been the Jordan bulls.
True, basketball will forever be about size.
Its a big mans game.
I agree with everything you said above and pretty much cant say anything more on this topic.
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exactly. the jordan-pippen bulls are the SOLE team as far back as i can remember who won a title without a dominance front court.
Kobe (best perimeter player in the world) could not win until he got Gasol in the great collusions of 2008... the Lakers for the last 3 years have had by far the best front court in the nba.
celtics won with KG and the rest of their manufactured super team (2nd best front court in the nba besides the Lakers)
Spurs leaned on Duncan
Rockets had Olajuwon
the list gpes on and on
in the playoffs the game slows down, and the teams with the best half court execution, paint scoring, and defense wins.
the past is littered with the corpses of the hyped-up high scoring regular season teams (shaq-hardaway magic, early 2000's kings, nash-stoudemire suns, all the dallas teams, etc etc..)
Totally wrong and attempted to be skewed version of history.
Of course it takes more than one good player to win a championship, but with that said...
Kobe got help from Pau, but it was still kobes show.
Celtics win behind Pierce and hell KG isnt even a inside presence, hes just tall, and shoots jumpers.
Spurs most recently leaned on parker and ginobli, not duncan.
Heat win when Wade goes nuts in the playoffs.
Early 2k lakers win behind Shaq but still it becomes Kobes team when push comes to shove. Why....?
Then you got a whole bunch of Michael and the Rockets only win when he doesnt play AND because Big Shot Robert Horry hits unbelievable clinchers.
Then its Isaih, Bird, Magic era.
Thats what happened
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Totally wrong and attempted to be skewed version of history.
Of course it takes more than one good player to win a championship, but with that said...
Kobe got help from Pau, but it was still kobes show.
Celtics win behind Pierce and hell KG isnt even a inside presence, hes just tall, and shoots jumpers.
Spurs most recently leaned on parker and ginobli, not duncan.
Heat win when Wade goes nuts in the playoffs.
Early 2k lakers win behind Shaq but still it becomes Kobes team when push comes to shove. Why....?
Then you got a whole bunch of Michael and the Rockets only win when he doesnt play AND because Big Shot Robert Horry hits unbelievable clinchers.
Then its Isaih, Bird, Magic era.
Thats what happened
Are you just delusional or dont have a clue about basketball?
The lakers were a 7th seed at best and were bounced out of the playoffs in the 1st rd every year after shaq left until they got gasol (coincidentally they made the nba finals that same year )
KG is one of the best POWER forwards in the last 20 years. He's an inside prescence on both ends of the floor.
Tim Duncan IS the best pf in the history of the game. He IS the reason the spurs have been so good for the past decade and why david robinson has his one nba title. Oh yea that team had neither parker or manu.
The heat won because they had Shaq. Plain and simple.
The lakers teams were shaqs teams. Not Kobe's which was evident by the lakers record when shaq was traded.
Now anything else???
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Are you just delusional or dont have a clue about basketball?
The lakers were a 7th seed at best and were bounced out of the playoffs in the 1st rd every year after shaq left until they got gasol (coincidentally they made the nba finals that same year )
KG is one of the best POWER forwards in the last 20 years. He's an inside prescence on both ends of the floor.
Tim Duncan IS the best pf in the history of the game. He IS the reason the spurs have been so good for the past decade and why david robinson has his one nba title. Oh yea that team had neither parker or manu.
The heat won because they had Shaq. Plain and simple.
The lakers teams were shaqs teams. Not Kobe's which was evident by the lakers record when shaq was traded.
Now anything else???
Yes, the else is that you are clueless. Im not saying that inside presence isnt important, but in the NBA and at the highest level teams are built from the outside in.
So tell me then, why did the Lakers pick Kobe over Shaq? And the Heat won cause of Shaq? You obviously didnt watch the playoffs that year, because no one would say that.
When Duncan won yes he was the best player, but that is the one example, besides the fact that they had sean elliot, avery johnson, and robert horry to save their ass in game 5.
So in the last 30 years the Finals MVP was a perimeter player TWICE as many times as an inside player. EXPLAIN
You are just wrong, Im sorry
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Yes, the else is that you are clueless. Im not saying that inside presence isnt important, but in the NBA and at the highest level teams are built from the outside in.
So tell me then, why did the Lakers pick Kobe over Shaq? And the Heat won cause of Shaq? You obviously didnt watch the playoffs that year, because no one would say that. Because Kobe is/was alot younger and Kobe is a DAMN good player. And yes they won because of shaq, you do realize the heat were 42-40 the year before they got shaq then won the finals 2 years after his arrival.
When Duncan won yes he was the best player, but that is the one example, besides the fact that they had sean elliot, avery johnson, and robert horry to save their ass in game 5. LOL, the guys u named were all role players.
So in the last 30 years the Finals MVP was a perimeter player TWICE as many times as an inside player. EXPLAIN. The reason the teams won was because of defense and interior prescence. Not perimiter players
You are just wrong, Im sorry
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Yes, the else is that you are clueless. Im not saying that inside presence isnt important, but in the NBA and at the highest level teams are built from the outside in.
So tell me then, why did the Lakers pick Kobe over Shaq? And the Heat won cause of Shaq? You obviously didnt watch the playoffs that year, because no one would say that.
When Duncan won yes he was the best player, but that is the one example, besides the fact that they had sean elliot, avery johnson, and robert horry to save their ass in game 5.
So in the last 30 years the Finals MVP was a perimeter player TWICE as many times as an inside player. EXPLAIN
You are just wrong, Im sorry
95% of the nba's coaches, GM's, and analysts disagree with you there bro.
and for the rest: the Lakers chose kobe over shaq in 2005 because shaq was already on the decline and kobe was entering his prime and had lots of good years left.
thats it.
if the choice was 2000 shaq or 2005 kobe, they would have picked shaq 10 times out of 10.
and LMFAO at suggesting tim duncan owes his titles to sean elliot and AVERY FUCKING JOHNSON LOLOLOLOL they were both there for only one title and were COMPLETELY CARRIED by tim duncan the whole way.
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95% of the nba's coaches, GM's, and analysts disagree with you there bro.
and for the rest: the Lakers chose kobe over shaq in 2005 because shaq was already on the decline and kobe was entering his prime and had lots of good years left.
thats it.
if the choice was 2000 shaq or 2005 kobe, they would have picked shaq 10 times out of 10.
and LMFAO at suggesting tim duncan owes his titles to sean elliot and AVERY FUCKING JOHNSON LOLOLOLOL they were both there for only one title and were COMPLETELY CARRIED by tim duncan the whole way.
JM we're beating a dead horse here.
I give up.
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I give up.
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Good.
And by the way, on your 10 guys Id pick before Melo list, which is what this argument was actually about, 7 were perimeter players. :D ;)
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Tacoloco laying the smackdown on flexington, John Matrix..
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Tacoloco laying the smackdown on flexington, John Matrix..
Maybe Flexington is just used to people deferring to him in basketball discussion because he's blackish?
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Good.
And by the way, on your 10 guys Id pick before Melo list, which is what this argument was actually about, 7 were perimeter players. :D ;)
That was just 10 id pick ahead of him. There are plenty more :)
Carmelo is a great talent, but not top 5 @ all.
BTW.......Wade and LBJ are more of slashers/scorers then perimiter players. But im sure you realized that.
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Maybe Flexington is just used to people deferring to him in basketball discussion because he's blackish?
Maybe you're just used to talking to people who have no clue about basketball.
Therefore leaving you under the false impression that you actually know what you're talking about.
When obviously from this discussion you dont!
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That was just 10 id pick ahead of him. There are plenty more :)
Dude you cant be serious.
You picked 10, only 3 were big, and of those 3 no one would pick pau or amare before melo. Come on.
That means of the top 11 players in the league, 9 of the first 10 are perimeter.
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Dude you cant be serious.
You picked 10, only 3 were big, and of those 3 no one would pick pau or amare before melo. Come on.
That means of the top 11 players in the league, 9 of the first 10 are perimeter.
Do you know how many times Denver made it out of the first round of the playoffs in the 7 years they had carmelo???
ONCE!
And he's a top five talent???
Come on bro, just give up.
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http://dimemag.com/2010/02/the-top-5-players-in-the-nba/
Hmmm let's see what a basketball magazine has to say.
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http://dimemag.com/2010/02/the-top-5-players-in-the-nba/
Hmmm let's see what a basketball magazine has to say.
Carmelo does one thing, which he does quite well. But all he does is score! He doesnt defend and he rebounds poorly. He's a great scorer. That doesnt make him a top 5 talent.
He's not a top 5 player. Top five players dont make it out of the first round once in 7 years.
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Carmelo does one thing, which he does quite well. But all he does is score! He doesnt defend and he rebounds poorly. He's a great scorer. That doesnt make him a top 5 talent.
He's not a top 5 player. Top five players dont make it out of the first round once in 7 years.
Lets see what Bill Simmons, The Sports Guy from ESPN, major column writer and author of The Book of Basketball: The NBA According to The Sports Guy which spent 5 weeks on the New York Times best seller list thinks, as he grades the nba trades post deadline.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110225/part1&sportCat=nba
PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALIZE THAT CARMELO IS A LEGITIMATE SUPERSTAR: F-minus-minus
One of the strangest subplots this week: Everyone rushing to pick Carmelo's game apart, especially people who rely on advanced metrics and ended up getting caught up in small-picture stuff. Carmelo has one elite skill (he rebounds extremely well for a small forward) and one transcendent skill (he's as good as anyone in the league at scoring and/or getting to the line, especially in crunch time). You can absolutely, positively, unquestionably win a championship if Carmelo Anthony is your creator at the end of a basketball game. The Knicks didn't have anyone like that. Few teams do.
Now throw this in: He's only 26.
Now throw this in: Ten guys started the 2011 All-Star Game. In a 30-team league, the Knicks suddenly have two of them.
Now throw this in: The other players know. They know who's good. They know who's worth a damn. They know who they'd go to war with. So you can't discount (A) how well Carmelo played on the 2008 Olympic team; (B) how much the other guys respected him; and (C) how the key guys on that team were Kobe, LeBron, Wade and Carmelo. It can't be forgotten. It just can't. Neither can the fact that he nearly carried a limited Nuggets team to the Finals two years ago.
Now throw this in: If there was ever a player who could be ignited by a great basketball city and a consistently fantastic crowd, it's Carmelo Anthony. He's been stuck in a relatively icy cruise control for two solid years, playing in a city he didn't totally love, being professional about it, trying hard every game ... and yet, there was something detached about him. No longer. I hate how he weaseled his way to the Knicks and pissed on Denver fans, but that's over. Let's look at this thing objectively: He's going to kill it with the Knicks. I'd bet anything. They haven't had someone like this since Bernard King, which is funny because I always thought Melo was Bernard 2.0. Playing in New York isn't for everyone, but in this case, it will be the best thing that ever happened to Carmelo Anthony.
I keep hearing that you can't win a title with Melo and Amare. Agreed. But you can win the title with Carmelo, Amare and Chris Paul (or Dwight Howard, or Deron Williams). In the short term, you can make some noise, rock the building and make Knicks fans forget about the 10 excruciating years they just endured. And you can scare the living hell out of the fans from the other Eastern contenders. Believe me, as a Celtics fan, I want no part of the Knicks this spring for one reason: You never want to play a playoff series in which the other team has the best guy. There's a decent chance Carmelo could just go off 1984 Bernard-style in Round 1 or Round 2. I'm crapping my pants just thinking about it. Over everything else, THAT is why they had to make this trade. A week ago, the Knicks were a .500 team. Now, they matter. And if you're throwing stats at me, I'll counter with this one: 15 for 15. Thank you and please drive through.