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Listen to him
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Listen to him
Great interview...
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Spot on.
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Ugly fucker. (sans homo)
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so what was the point of the video?
a guy who used anabolic s bitching about the use of them?
a guy who missed out on millions because of his addiction to them, also, bitching about them,
and a guy who speaks about being clean, yet engages in dirty butthole sex with other men?
is that the jist of it?
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people talking about themselves in 3'rd person makes me ::) ... pompousus homo...
great physique but also built on steroids which he also hypocritically talks about.
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:P
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yes.. rod & bob as well as being close friends, also engaged in greco-roman bouts in the traditional naked style outdoors in the sand, it helped with their conditioning
they then took turns in wiping each others backs whilst engaging in vigorous anal intercourse
no homo
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He said abuse, not use. Ob>iously, Bob wasn't against the use of AAS, but the abuse of it to the point where the physique becomes grotesque as opposed to aesthetic and balanced. I still don't understand why the 90's standard isn't adhered to today. They reached the ideal combination of size, density, and shape, without the distended bellies and slin look. Who the fuck actually thinks that today's standard is progress? Boggles my mind...
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Great interview, Bob had one of the best physiques all time (a bigger Frank Zane) back when symmetry mattered.
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We took Bob diving with the dolphins many years ago and he spent an hour or so in the tank with two of them. Bob swore that they were trying to communicate with him and block his exit from the tank
Wait ..... Maybe it was Cory Everson who they would not allow to get out of the tank.
It's been a while but I do recall that they both had one hell of a great experience with those gentle and intelligent critters.
Cory, Bob.... If you read this, correct my stupidity!
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Great interview, Bob had one of the best physiques all time (a bigger Frank Zane) back when symmetry mattered.
for sure
to me, bbing is reeves, zane, paris, benfatto and then the rest
of course, today we have branch..
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Bob P. = Great Physique
Bob P. = Homo Sexual
Bob P. = ALL PED
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Bob P. = Great Physique
Bob P. = Homo Sexual
Bob P. = ALL PED
Not nearly as much as you might think.
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hes gay? weird cause he sounds straight.
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hes gay? weird cause he sounds straight.
the magazines use to print he was a ladies' man.
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Good footage...I miss those days!
You can see the intensity those guys put into each rep. Especially Gaspari. He literally willed himself to become as good as he got. He was hungry for it, and wouldn't accept failure.
E>en though they were on a shitload of stuff, training seemed to be a much more important ingredient to their success. Now it really is all drugs, and it shows... :(
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Good post Figo, I'm curious, would you include Labrada on your list as well? Yeah, it's true that Paris had a great classical physique, but his torso was a tad bit too long.
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He said abuse, not use. Ob>iously, Bob wasn't against the use of AAS, but the abuse of it to the point where the physique becomes grotesque as opposed to aesthetic and balanced. I still don't understand why the 90's standard isn't adhered to today. They reached the ideal combination of size, density, and shape, without the distended bellies and slin look. Who the fuck actually thinks that today's standard is progress? Boggles my mind...
judges and fanboys...
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it almost seemed like satire hearing the number of times he said "sport."
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Bob is a cat who had it all . . . there is no question in THE BEEF's mind that Bob is rolling in cash and cock. Bay likey???
THE BEEF
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bob is not a cat
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Bob wasn't against the use of AAS, but the abuse of it to the point where the physique becomes grotesque as opposed to aesthetic and balanced.
Aesthetics and balance is mostly genetic. Bob used as many drugs as all the rest at that time. Rich Gaspari could never look as aesthetic as Paris... and it's not because Gaspari abused drugs.
The point where a physique becomes grotesque is very subjective. Bob was HUGE. I'm sure grotesque to those who view Reeves as the ideal.
There is no such thing as use and abuse of bodybuilding drugs. Entirely subjective, use for one is abuse to another. I'm sure many would have thought Bob's use of the new drug hGH was abusive since the effects weren't well known.
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Aesthetics and balance is mostly genetic. Bob used as many drugs as all the rest at that time. Rich Gaspari could never look as aesthetic as Paris... and it's not because Gaspari abused drugs.
The point where a physique becomes grotesque is very subjective. Bob was HUGE. I'm sure grotesque to those who view Reeves as the ideal.
There is no such thing as use and abuse of bodybuilding drugs. Entirely subjective, use for one is abuse to another. I'm sure many would have thought Bob's use of the new drug hGH was abusive since the effects weren't well known.
You make some good points. Yes, it all depends on perspecti>e I guess. And yes, Bob hit the jackpot in the looks and aesthetics department. As did Ree>es. Gaspari of course could ne>er look like Bob. And what he achie>ed was actually more inpressi>e in some ways considering his genetic shortcomings.
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judges and fanboys...
That would be it... :(
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Bob always sounded like Carl Sagan
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Gaspari of course could ne>er look like Bob. And what he achie>ed was actually more inpressi>e in some ways considering his genetic shortcomings.
Gaspari probably made the most out of his genetics out of any bodybuilder ever. I think 3 2nd places at the Olympia. :o He was good but you could easily think of dozens of bodybuilders who theoretically were much better bodybuilders yet never even made it to the pros.
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Aesthetics and balance is mostly genetic. Bob used as many drugs as all the rest at that time. Rich Gaspari could never look as aesthetic as Paris... and it's not because Gaspari abused drugs.
The point where a physique becomes grotesque is very subjective. Bob was HUGE. I'm sure grotesque to those who view Reeves as the ideal.
There is no such thing as use and abuse of bodybuilding drugs. Entirely subjective, use for one is abuse to another. I'm sure many would have thought Bob's use of the new drug hGH was abusive since the effects weren't well known.
Surely there must be some objective standard to abuse. It someone eats themselves to a 450 lbs mass of fat can we say they abuse food? They featured this lady who self applied those derma fillers that are used for wrinkles and her face was a bloated mess. She actually looked pretty good when she just started the wrinkle treatment. Downing a few beers on weekends versus someone who gets drunk everyday?
Anabolic hormones/HG can be very healthy if properly use. It makes you a better you -- at least physically. When it gets to the point where compromises your health then maybe we can define that as abuse.
I love advil. When I take it I'm like a new man by the next day. But I only use it when it gets to the point where pain and stiffness has a marked effect on my day to day life. If there were no side effects I'd be on that stuff year round. (Speaking of which, any update to that study you posted way back when on advil actually having positive effects on hypertrophy?)
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To establish standards of use/abuse re: bodybuilding drugs, you need to define a purpose for bodybuilding.
If the purpose is to get as massive as possible, then as long as the drugs are helping you get bigger, there's no abuse. If the purpose is to achieve a physique that causes envy amongst your male peers, the ceiling separating use from abuse is much, much lower.
If the purpose is to see how many drugs you can take without exploding, well then it seems like there's almost no case qualifying as "abuse." :D
Coming up with a definition (and therefore purpose) of bodybuilding, is a much trickier task, however...
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When it gets to the point where compromises your health then maybe we can define that as abuse.
Sure, but any and all use of steroids can potentially compromise your health. Like I said in another thread, even true HRT can cause polycythemia (at like 100mg test/week). It's clearly described in the literature. It's just how much risk are you willing to take?
Surely there must be some objective standard to abuse.
The "objective standard" for the medical community is any use that is not indicated in the PDR. All bodybuilding applications are abuse. We are of course smart enough to see that this isn't very objective at all. But who will we get to set the "abuse standard"?
Bob thought he wasn't abusing. But Reeves may have thought Bob was in fact abusing. Lee Haney thinks modern bodybuilders are abusing drugs when they use GH and insulin. But some other old-timer surely thought Lee was crazy for using "animal steroids" on himself. Who is right?
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I'm right! :)
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Not nearly as much as you might think.
He was 6' 220 lbs.
He was probably on the typical gymrat cycle.
It's all about sculpting the physique and putting the mass in the right areas like Zane.
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Sure, but any and all use of steroids can potentially compromise your health. Like I said in another thread, even true HRT can cause polycythemia (at like 100mg test/week). It's clearly described in the literature. It's just how much risk are you willing to take?
The "objective standard" for the medical community is any use that is not indicated in the PDR. All bodybuilding applications are abuse. We are of course smart enough to see that this isn't very objective at all. But who will we get to set the "abuse standard"?
Bob thought he wasn't abusing. But Reeves may have thought Bob was in fact abusing. Lee Haney thinks modern bodybuilders are abusing drugs when they use GH and insulin. But some other old-timer surely thought Lee was crazy for using "animal steroids" on himself. Who is right?
I think Haney and Paris are right! I tell you why, with Haney bodybuilding reached is peak : the maximum amount of muscular mass with aesthetic look without the distended gut that came with the advent of Yates (the palumbismo era of bodybuilding). I might add that Yates in the first years of his Olympia domination did not show any sign of palumbismo ,and even in the last part of his competitive career is gut was not as pronunced like today bodybuilder.
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Looks to me like a guy whose heart wasn't in the sport. He (or it) ran its course and said "C-ya!"-- never to return.
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Bob Paris was fantastic.
Another point, if I may. Has anyone else noticed how comparatively articulate Bob, Mike, Rich and Tom were in those interviews? Especially so in light of the absolute morons we have today. Coleman is a mental eunuch incapable of expressing himself and he is just one example and to be honest perhaps the most egregious amongst today's bodydoping retards, but still...What the fuck? Morons the lot of them.
Plus today's chumpions train with a very limited range of motion. Contrast that with the majority of the men of the 40s through theearly 90s. There is more to life than weight training, but when looking at the posers of today it would seem that there is less to them than meets the eye. Especially if you hear them talk.
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I think Haney and Paris are right! I tell you why, with Haney bodybuilding reached is peak : the maximum amount of muscular mass with aesthetic look without the distended gut that came with the advent of Yates (the palumbismo era of bodybuilding). I might add that Yates in the first years of his Olympia domination did not show any sign of palumbismo ,and even in the last part of his competitive career is gut was not as pronunced like today bodybuilder.
Well you are talking aesthetics not health. Aesthetics is pretty subjective. Most would not disagree that big guts don't look too good, but it's still subjective. I have seen old timers complain that "today's bodybuilders" (speaking of 80s bodybuilders) all look the same. All chemically developed and all are pretty symmetrical. Saying how it was much better in their day when one guy had a good chest and another had good arms. Now everyone looked identical. :D Even pretty recently older bodybuilders have complained that now everyone's thighs are too big, when others think they are now finally in proportion. Remember Gironda's ideal? Thighs should not be bulbuous, they should measure the same at the top as at the knee.
I remember Arnold saying that today's bodybuilders have too big necks and look shit, they look like powerlifters instead of bodybuilders. :D
So you see, it's pretty hard to set an aesthetics standard everyone agrees with. And if it was set, it would take even the little competition element that is there out of it. The one with genetically correct proportions would always win and the other guys couldn't do shit to beat him, as the guy was already the ideal.
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Well you are talking aesthetics not health. Aesthetics is pretty subjective. Most would not disagree that big guts don't look too good, but it's still subjective. I have seen old timers complain that "today's bodybuilders" (speaking of 80s bodybuilders) all look the same. All chemically developed and all are pretty symmetrical. Saying how it was much better in their day when one guy had a good chest and another had good arms. Now everyone looked identical. :D Even pretty recently older bodybuilders have complained that now everyone's thighs are too big, when others think they are now finally in proportion. Remember Gironda's ideal? Thighs should not be bulbuous, they should measure the same at the top as at the knee.
I remember Arnold saying that today's bodybuilders have too big necks and look shit, they look like powerlifters instead of bodybuilders. :D
So you see, it's pretty hard to set an aesthetics standard everyone agrees with. And if it was set, it would take even the little competition element that is there out of it. The one with genetically correct proportions would always win and the other guys couldn't do shit to beat him, as the guy was already the ideal.
The ideal used to be that the arms, neck and calves measured the same while your chest was the equivalent measurement of both of your thighs. Your waist should be just that, a waist and not a waste. Today's bloated, beached whales have the latter of those two. ;D
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This is the ideal. It should have stopped there. Much better than the chemical look of Bob Paris et al.
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/vincegironda/vincegironda4.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/vincegironda/vincegironda6.jpg)
(http://builtreport.com/gironda/023.jpg)
(http://builtreport.com/gironda/009.jpg)
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I think Haney and Paris are right! I tell you why, with Haney bodybuilding reached is peak : the maximum amount of muscular mass with aesthetic look without the distended gut that came with the advent of Yates (the palumbismo era of bodybuilding). I might add that Yates in the first years of his Olympia domination did not show any sign of palumbismo ,and even in the last part of his competitive career is gut was not as pronunced like today bodybuilder.
BODYBUILDING DID NOT PEAK WITH HANEY. FLEX WHEELER, KEVIN LEVRONE, SEAN RAY, CHRIS CORMIER, LEE PREIST, DEXTER JACKSON, VICTOR MARTINEZ, VINCE TAYLOR, ... SO MANY GUYS HAD AESTHETIC, v TAPERED, NO DISTENSION PHYSIQUES THAT SURPASS ANYTHING THE 80'S HAD TO OFFER.
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This is the ideal. It should have stopped there. Much better than the chemical look of Bob Paris et al.
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/vincegironda/vincegironda4.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/vincegironda/vincegironda6.jpg)
(http://builtreport.com/gironda/023.jpg)
(http://builtreport.com/gironda/009.jpg)
That is easily attainable---you have 19 yr olds who look like that, and dudes coming out of prison looking bigger and more cut...
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That is easily attainable---you have 19 yr olds who look like that, and dudes coming out of prison looking bigger and more cut...
Nah, you gotta have the right proportions, not just size. It's hard to train so you have no ugly quad sweep and a small ass. Like I said, quads should measure same top, middle and bottom.
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He said abuse, not use. Ob>iously, Bob wasn't against the use of AAS, but the abuse of it to the point where the physique becomes grotesque as opposed to aesthetic and balanced. I still don't understand why the 90's standard isn't adhered to today. They reached the ideal combination of size, density, and shape, without the distended bellies and slin look. Who the fuck actually thinks that today's standard is progress? Boggles my mind...
Homosexuals who love hypermasculinity.
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Homosexuals who love hypermasculinity.
;D
flex wheeler was the pinnacle for aesthetic bodybuilding.
ronnie/dorian/ruhl are the pinnacle for beastly(hypermasculine) bodybuilding.
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Nah, you gotta have the right proportions, not just size. It's hard to train so you have no ugly quad sweep and a small ass. Like I said, quads should measure same top, middle and bottom.
You have to take genetics into account, some people have fuller muscle bellies, so having quads the same at the top, middle, and bottom is almost impossible...and if you look at the quads from a side view, and visually draw a line, they flare out from the hip, widen at the top, and taper at the bottom. One of the reasons why when you draw you use ovals, not squares, as the body encompasses oval shapes, not squares.
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You have to take genetics into account, some people have fuller muscle bellies, so having quads the same at the top, middle, and bottom is almost impossible...and if you look at the quads from a side view, and visually draw a line, they flare out from the hip, widen at the top, and taper at the bottom. One of the reasons why when you draw you use ovals, not squares, as the body encompasses oval shapes, not squares.
I'm just making a point. That aesthetic ideals differ. That was Gironda's ideal. He was against squats because they gave you a big ass and turnip shaped thighs. Someone else may think a small ass is ugly as hell, man or woman. :D
It was his genetics that gave him those proportions, for the most part, and not training.
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You cannot say bodybuilding has "regressed" quite the opposite is true. Guys are bigger and leaner than ever before.
The problem I think comes down to one big thing- bodybuilding is dead in terms of mainstream appeal and profitability for the athletes. What this means is that the genetic pool of up and comers and guys who want to get into the sport is dwindling. Guys with the best genetics are playing other sports. For the most part no one wants to be a bodybuilder except a small group like the Ronnie Colemans, Jay Cutlers etc (who could have excelled at other sports), your homo types like Will Harris and Kai Green and here and there your genetic oddity's who do very little and achieve a lot (Wolf jumps to mind).
I mean overall this whole debate over mass vs aesthetics and what have you does come down to genetics by and large. The reason why so many top guys look like shit is because they are not that great genetically and are super huge because they are mega responders to GH and Slin. That pretty much sums it up. They don't need to train hard, just pump more and more drugs and stand onstage at 250 260 270 and collect a check. But you can see right away when you look at them that the look is not good. It's just an odd look, I cannot put it into words.
The bottom line is that as long as there is no money or fame to be had, 9/10 guys with great genetics aren't going to do it and thus you are left with an inferior gene pool. The guys who do make it aren't going to look nearly as good as the 70's 80's and 90's there is no way around it. The Bob Paris type guys, the Shawn Rays, Kevin Levrones, guys who looked fantastic without 36 IU's of GH are playing basketball, baseball, boxing, MMA etc. Everyone cites the same group of bodybuilders as being "the best ever" and not having "the bloated mess" look and for good reason- they were genetically superior and did not need mega doses to get huge and ripped. They naturally had wide shoulders small waist, great arms and back etc. The drugs simply took great genes and multiplied with great training produced amazing physiques.
I could go on but that is the gist of it. Phil Heath has damn near no competition right now because he is a genetic elite. He should be competing against the Shawn Rays, Kevin Levrones and Lee Haney's of today BUT THERE AREN'T ANY! But he is a great example of how shallow the gene pool is now. His genetics aren't the best ever, they are up there for sure, but there should be at least 8-9 guys who have similarly great genetics that he could battle it out with and there isn't. So we the fans of the sport sit around bitching about the good ol days because it's the fucking truth. Bodybuilding today ain't what it used to be.
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flex wheeler was the pinnacle for aesthetic bodybuilding.
ronnie/dorian/ruhl are the pinnacle for beastly(hypermasculine) bodybuilding.
No he wasn't, he was very narrow, average chest, bad calves.
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No he wasn't, he was very narrow, average chest, bad calves.
You are thinking post- car accident flex. Before his car wreck he was easily THE best a bodybuilder has EVER looked. Check out 1993 Arnold Classic if you doubt me. You will never find a better onstage physique.
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You are thinking post- car accident flex. Before his car wreck he was easily THE best a bodybuilder has EVER looked. Check out 1993 Arnold Classic if you doubt me. You will never find a better onstage physique.
Good muscle belly's, average structure. Any version.
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You could argue that Flex had very poor symmetry yet was very pleasing aesthetically.
He was like Heath. Block out the arms in any pic and see how small they become.
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Bob Paris looked great from the front 1983-1988 but he never had a great back ever and post 1988 he overdeveloped his legs and hips which made his back look even worse.
Great shape from the front though.
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nice pool, they probably were in his sponsors house and had epic private sessions there many times :-X ;D
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Gaspari probably made the most out of his genetics out of any bodybuilder ever. I think 3 2nd places at the Olympia. :o He was good but you could easily think of dozens of bodybuilders who theoretically were much better bodybuilders yet never even made it to the pros.
Yup, I agree.
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Surely there must be some objective standard to abuse. It someone eats themselves to a 450 lbs mass of fat can we say they abuse food? They featured this lady who self applied those derma fillers that are used for wrinkles and her face was a bloated mess. She actually looked pretty good when she just started the wrinkle treatment. Downing a few beers on weekends versus someone who gets drunk everyday?
Anabolic hormones/HG can be very healthy if properly use. It makes you a better you -- at least physically. When it gets to the point where compromises your health then maybe we can define that as abuse.I love advil. When I take it I'm like a new man by the next day. But I only use it when it gets to the point where pain and stiffness has a marked effect on my day to day life. If there were no side effects I'd be on that stuff year round. (Speaking of which, any update to that study you posted way back when on advil actually having positive effects on hypertrophy?)
Just like anything in life, moderation is the key.
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Bob Paris was fantastic.
Another point, if I may. Has anyone else noticed how comparatively articulate Bob, Mike, Rich and Tom were in those interviews? Especially so in light of the absolute morons we have today. Coleman is a mental eunuch incapable of expressing himself and he is just one example and to be honest perhaps the most egregious amongst today's bodydoping retards, but still...What the fuck? Morons the lot of them.
Plus today's chumpions train with a very limited range of motion. Contrast that with the majority of the men of the 40s through theearly 90s. There is more to life than weight training, but when looking at the posers of today it would seem that there is less to them than meets the eye. Especially if you hear them talk.
Good post...
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Homosexuals who love hypermasculinity.
Anyone in particular come to mind?
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I'm just making a point. That aesthetic ideals differ. That was Gironda's ideal. He was against squats because they gave you a big ass and turnip shaped thighs. Someone else may think a small ass is ugly as hell, man or woman. :D
It was his genetics that gave him those proportions, for the most part, and not training.
For me it's not so much the size of the ass but is it tight enough to bounce a quarter off of.
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This is the ideal. It should have stopped there. Much better than the chemical look of Bob Paris et al.
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/vincegironda/vincegironda4.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/vincegironda/vincegironda6.jpg)
(http://builtreport.com/gironda/023.jpg)
(http://builtreport.com/gironda/009.jpg)
All cigars and alcohol...
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"bodybuilding" was gay, it still is. Nothing changed.
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This is the ideal. It should have stopped there. Much better than the chemical look of Bob Paris et al.
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/vincegironda/vincegironda4.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/vincegironda/vincegironda6.jpg)
(http://builtreport.com/gironda/023.jpg)
(http://builtreport.com/gironda/009.jpg)
Hahaa
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For me it's not so much the size of the ass but is it tight enough to bounce a quarter off of.
Trolling for Sev!? I think your bait's a tad large. ;D
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Thighs should not be bulbuous, they should measure the same at the top as at the knee.
Haha WTF
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He was 6' 220 lbs.
He was probably on the typical gymrat cycle.
It's all about sculpting the physique and putting the mass in the right areas like Zane.
Check out what he looks like today. His body today gives a hint at the amount of abuse he did during his bodybuilding days. His body today is his natural body. Probably 170 pound tops. 6'0 170 ::) This man took a boat load of gear in his day. Hell he's smaller than Tom Prince today.
www.bobparis.com
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Bob had one of the most amazing physiques of all time. However he was a deep and troubled young man who without question had difficulty justifing steroid use and the whole moral issue around a grown man just lifting weights for a living.Couple this with a very tempestious relationship with joe weider regarding how bobs sexuality was portrayed in the mags, it is little wonder the gave up at 33.
I still think his best shape may have been when he won the 1983 nationals.
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For those of you interested, Bobs book ''Gorilla Suit'' is a very insightful look at how he viewed Bodybuilding.
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Bob had one of the most amazing physiques of all time. However he was a deep and troubled young man who without question had difficulty justifing steroid use and the whole moral issue around a grown man just lifting weights for a living.Couple this with a very tempestious relationship with joe weider regarding how bobs sexuality was portrayed in the mags, it is little wonder the gave up at 33.
I still think his best shape may have been when he won the 1983 nationals.
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For those of you interested, Bobs book ''Gorilla Suit'' is a very insightful look at how he viewed Bodybuilding.
You know Bob Paris definitely had to be screwed in bbing to retire at 33. I can only imagine, being gay yet portrayed like a ladie's man in the magazines, having to take steroids to put on the required mass to compete. Guy probably HATES bodybuilding now.
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You know Bob Paris definitely had to be screwed in bbing to retire at 33. I can only imagine, being gay yet portrayed like a ladie's man in the magazines, having to take steroids to put on the required mass to compete. Guy probably HATES bodybuilding now.
Didn't Lee Haney retire at 31-32?
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You know Bob Paris definitely had to be screwed in bbing to retire at 33. I can only imagine, being gay yet portrayed like a ladie's man in the magazines, having to take steroids to put on the required mass to compete. Guy probably HATES bodybuilding now.
Being portrayed as the ladies man was a massive problem for Bob - Him and Joe Weider used to argue all the time over it. Bob did think of a comeback when he was 35 but after contacting Weider about possible sponsership, Weider was uncommital and Bob decided to go down a different path and not bother with BB.
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Didn't Lee Haney retire at 31-32?
Yes he did - I think Haney was 33 when he called it a day.
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Yes he did - I think Haney was 33 when he called it a day.
OMG, just like Jesus Christ!
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Being portrayed as the ladies man was a massive problem for Bob - Him and Joe Weider used to argue all the time over it. Bob did think of a comeback when he was 35 but after contacting Weider about possible sponsership, Weider was uncommital and Bob decided to go down a different path and not bother with BB.
And now he goes on Oprah(a woman living in the closet) to spin his tales. Isn't that ironic?
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lol, Bob Paris was on Orpah?
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lol, Bob Paris was on Orpah?
Yeah recently too. I think he is a life wellness speaker now or something. Good for him, guy looks great for his age.
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Check out what he looks like today. His body today gives a hint at the amount of abuse he did during his bodybuilding days. His body today is his natural body. Probably 170 pound tops. 6'0 170 ::) This man took a boat load of gear in his day. Hell he's smaller than Tom Prince today.
www.bobparis.com
Looks alright - just real lean...
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You could argue that Flex had very poor symmetry yet was very pleasing aesthetically.
He was like Heath. Block out the arms in any pic and see how small they become.
(http://www.basketball.de/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=190)
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Looks alright - just real lean...
Looks a little too thin IMO. Probably his age and diet also though. I haven't had so little muscle since I was 13...I do not get how guys lose THAT MUCH muscle, he must not have had much base when he started using anabolics. I am only 5ft9.5 and I could not starve myself below 180. In fact I tried when I was 26 and only got down to 185 and looked like I was near death from cancer. No clue how anyone who has trained seriously can get down that low in weight.
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Looks alright - just real lean...
mofo got no lips, he looks like Where's Waldo, with no glasses...odd how some dudes age, like Dennis Newman....
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mofo got no lips, he looks like Where's Waldo, with no glasses...odd how some dudes age, like Dennis Newman....
...odd the things some guys notice, like Baygbm.
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bob is not a cat
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Good post Figo, I'm curious, would you include Labrada on your list as well? Yeah, it's true that Paris had a great classical physique, but his torso was a tad bit too long.
of his day, Lee Labrada was my favorite bber, but unfortunately his height held him back
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Not nearly as much as you might think.
whats the big secret?
share some shit with us, rory & bob's training & diet, and whats the harm in mentioning hypothetically (supposing they ever chose to do aas), what aas they could've used...
cmon already! ;D
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This is the ideal. It should have stopped there. Much better than the chemical look of Bob Paris et al.
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/vincegironda/vincegironda4.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/vincegironda/vincegironda6.jpg)
(http://builtreport.com/gironda/023.jpg)
(http://builtreport.com/gironda/009.jpg)
vince was the drug/prep guru of his day, thats what he did
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Isn't Labrada taller than Benafetto? Also, how about Paul-Jean Guillume? The dude had a great classical physique, plus he was supposedly a lifetime natural.
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Isn't Labrada taller than Benafetto? Also, how about Paul-Jean Guillume? The dude had a great classical physique, plus he was supposedly a lifetime natural.
Labrada had a perfect build barring height, i think he was more proportionate than Benafetto.
Paul jean had a very good build, wasn't natty.
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You know Bob Paris definitely had to be screwed in bbing to retire at 33. I can only imagine, being gay yet portrayed like a ladie's man in the magazines, having to take steroids to put on the required mass to compete. Guy probably HATES bodybuilding now.
You have no idea how much. He doesn't answer any fitness or bodybuilding related questions under any circumstances because he's more focused nowadays on acting, doing lectures, and writing. That's why he's so lean for. He did it intentantly because he only wants serious part and doesn't want to be typecast as a meathead. He played a recurring character in "Defying Gravity" on ABC but that show was cancelled last year. I hardly even recognized him. Recently, he was on Oprah's show.
As far as his comments go...time has proven him correct. Bodybuilding is no longer on TV with the exception of Craig Titus and movie roles are scarce and paltry.
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Labrada had a perfect build barring height, i think he was more proportionate than Benafetto.
Paul jean had a very good build, wasn't natty.
I think Benfatto had a better build , Labrada's waist was too thick for his height.
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Also, Benafettos torso was medium-short and not medium-long, like Paris' is. Medium-short torso>Medium-long torso
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Isn't Labrada taller than Benafetto? Also, how about Paul-Jean Guillume? The dude had a great classical physique, plus he was supposedly a lifetime natural.
labrada was great at least one time uncrowned mr o, 1989, and 90 was between ray & labrada, benfatto should've been not lower than 4th, in the espn commentary of that contest zane had lots of praise for francis
labrada 5'4", benfatto 5'6" or 5'7", met benfatto in person last yr, appears 5'7"
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Bob had one of the most amazing physiques of all time. However he was a deep and troubled young man
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For those of you interested, Bobs book ''Gorilla Suit'' is a very insightful look at how he viewed Bodybuilding.
funny, I don't get that from the book. he was no more troubled than any other gay guy growing up in the midwest in the 70s.
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I think Benfatto had a better build , Labrada's waist was too thick for his height.
True. Didn't have the smallest waist which was a weak point but very balanced regardless.
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Bob Paris is my favorite bodybuilder (after Arnold)....
And yes reading his book you do get a sense that things were not how he wanted them to be...
He had a lot of beef with Weider and with the growing abuse of Steroids in the sport.... Plus he got so into the lifestyle and was travelling soooo much for appearances and started drinking a lot. I love in his book the part he talks with that hair stylist on the plane while he was wasted! lol
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Bob Paris is my favorite bodybuilder (after Arnold)....
And yes reading his book you do get a sense that things were not how he wanted them to be...
He had a lot of beef with Weider and with the growing abuse of Steroids in the sport.... Plus he got so into the lifestyle and was travelling soooo much for appearances and started drinking a lot. I love in his book the part he talks with that hair stylist on the plane while he was wasted! lol
is that Gorilla Suit?
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Bob Paris is my favorite bodybuilder (after Arnold)....
And yes reading his book you do get a sense that things were not how he wanted them to be...
He had a lot of beef with Weider and with the growing abuse of Steroids in the sport.... Plus he got so into the lifestyle and was travelling soooo much for appearances and started drinking a lot. I love in his book the part he talks with that hair stylist on the plane while he was wasted! lol
Sounds cool actually. Post up some stories.
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Sounds cool actually. Post up some stories.
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funny, I don't get that from the book. he was no more troubled than any other gay guy growing up in the midwest in the 70s.
Bob thought about and came close to committing suicide more than once during his teenage years and never ever came to terms with the amount of chemicals it took to get to the top of the tree.
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Bob thought about and came close to committing suicide more than once during his teenage years and never ever came to terms with the amount of chemicals it took to get to the top of the tree.
Seems like the ole "blame the parents mentality". Its like an antisemitic trying to be an actor in Hollywood without realizing Hollywood is run by the Jews.
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is that Gorilla Suit?
Yes
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Bob never ever came to terms with the amount of chemicals it took to get to the top of the tree.
from what I gathered reading "beyond built" many yrs ago, bob was taking aas long before his mr america win, I dont think he had too much issues with drugs, maybe the judging direction, or issues with weider, this is the usual thing with the retired guys, badmouthing the current crop, and being hypocrites.
maybe Im wrong, maybe someone on this board that trained with bob and rory can enlighten us ???
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from what I gathered reading "beyond built" many yrs ago, bob was taking aas long before his mr america win, I dont think he had too much issues with drugs, maybe the judging direction, or issues with weider, this is the usual thing with the retired guys, badmouthing the current crop, and being hypocrites.
maybe Im wrong, maybe someone on this board that trained with bob and rory can enlighten us ???
In that book does he mention which aas he was mostly using?
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In that book does he mention which aas he was mostly using?
no, its still a subject skimmed through very lightly, even though to anyone in the know, reality is, its very important to any success
one of those guides to the bbing lifestyle ala weider fairytales, well-written, but unrealistic, if you get my point
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No matter what you think of Bob as a person, everything he said back then is still relevant...if not more.
BUT we also have to keep in mind that aesthetics are very subjective.
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No matter what you think of Bob as a person, everything he said back then is still relevant...if not more.
BUT we also have to keep in mind that aesthetics are very subjective.
Winklaar is the epithomy of shitty aesthetics .. a rhino looks like a rembrandt next to him ... he represents generation nothingness
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Winklaar is the epithomy of shitty aesthetics .. a rhino looks like a rembrandt next to him ... he represents generation nothingness
I wouldn't actually say that---if you look at his physique in terms of out line he is very aesthetic, his abs only look weird when he crunches down and does a FDB, when not doing that he has a crisp clean lines...he's no Levrone, but he is in the Levrone mold...
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I wouldn't actually say that---if you look at his physique in terms of out line he is very aesthetic, his abs only look weird when he crunches down and does a FDB, when not doing that he has a crisp clean lines...he's no Levrone, but he is in the Levrone mold...
you clearly have no idea what aesthetic is :-\
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Bob P. = Great Physique
Bob P. = Homo Sexual
Bob P. = ALL PED
Bob P. = Great DNA Receptors
Bob P. = Great IFBB Pro.
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Listen to him
this is the same view I have
arnold n serge n bob ish figure were best
dorian n ronny n even haney too far
yuck
look bad
they threw out symmetry in favor or ultimate puff up size on drugs
they should have size competition sperate from symmetry
size=max muscel building ro extrem mucle etc
bodybuilding is about beautiful symmetic body and weider shmoes have ruined that trying to over sell roind n protien powder
to me this is obvious