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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: MindSpin on March 19, 2011, 10:01:47 PM
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Lol ;D
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Tapped out to strikes! :o :D
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Wow Blanco..... you're right. Rua tapped at the end of that!!!!
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I think we are slowly eliminating any evidence of that shady org for good. Fixed fights powered by the Yakuza are s shit-stain on the legitimacy of the current sport of MMA. The farther we are from the "old days" of PRIDE, the better off the sport will be.
Jones doesn't even look like he was in a fight at the press-conference. Shogun was embarrassed last night. What nerve he had claiming that Jones was showing no respect before the fight.
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I think we are slowly eliminating any evidence of that shady org for good. Fixed fights powered by the Yakuza are s shit-stain on the legitimacy of the current sport of MMA. The farther we are from the "old days" of PRIDE, the better off the sport will be.
Jones doesn't even look like he was in a fight at the press-conference. Shogun was embarrassed last night. What nerve he had claiming that Jones was showing no respect before the fight.
Shogun beat the UFC light-heavyweight champ, Lyoto Machida, twice, so if he sucks it just means the UFC had as a light-heavyweight champ a guy who was even worse. So:
PRIDE > UFC
As for Jones, the fact he beat Shogun easily is not testament that PRIDE sucked; it's testament to how good Jones is. Again, Shogun had no problem mauling all UFC light-heavyweight competitors to win the UFC light-heavyweight title.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Shogun beat the UFC light-heavyweight champ, Lyoto Machida, twice, so if he sucks it just means the UFC had as a light-heavyweight champ a guy who was even worse. So:
PRIDE > UFC
As for Jones, the fact he beat Shogun easily is not testament that PRIDE sucked; it's testament to how good Jones is. Again, Shogun had no problem mauling all UFC light-heavyweight competitors to win the UFC light-heavyweight title.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He beat Machida once.
Uncle Dana owns all your PRIDE memories, and any future they had. Get over it.
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Let's not forget that TUF posterboy Forrest also finished Rua...lol!
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Let's not forget that TUF posterboy Forrest also finished Rua...lol!
50-yr old Coleman almost did too.
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last night doesn't change the fact that pride fighters won almost all of the titles as soon as they joined the ufc, that's a fact that you dana nut huggers will always have to live with
rampage
anderson
nog
shogun
yep pride always sucked ::)
at least pride fighters are still competitive 4 years later, heck yesterday 2 of them had a belt :D
heck overeem might be the best heavyweight and we all know where he came from
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Mindless can't come to grips with the fact that he doesn't know jack shit about MMA and that nobody on this board respects his opinion. Hating on PRIDE doesn't make you seem more intelligent or knowledgeable-- especially when you have to sign in with your gimmick to "prove" to everyone that someone agrees with you about something. Nobody here gets a check in the mail when a former fighter from PRIDE wins a fight-- none of us give a shit or take it personally. My hopes and dreams are a lot bigger and more important than "proving" that MMA fighters from an organization that doesn't exist anymore are the best.
Hope this helps.
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Pride was okay guys. But the UFC was and is better. You know it. I know it. And it eats you up...lol.
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last night doesn't change the fact that pride fighters won almost all of the titles as soon as they joined the ufc, that's a fact that you dana nut huggers will always have to live with
rampage
anderson
nog
shogun
yep pride always sucked ::)
at least pride fighters are still competitive 4 years later, heck yesterday 2 of them had a belt :D
heck overeem might be the best heavyweight and we all know where he came from
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Earl, why do you think Shogun lost last night?
Not really sure why everyone challenges what org is better. Bottom line is the UFC 5-10 years from now will have better fighters than it does today. The sport is young and training and technique etc, will evolve further.
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Pride was okay guys. But the UFC was and is better. You know it. I know it. And it eats you up...lol.
Who are you talking to exactly? For the past 3 days nobody has mentioned PRIDE on this message board except you. Do you have such an inferiority complex over everyone on this board thinking that your a joke when it comes to MMA that you have to constantly mention PRIDE to validate your opinion?
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Pride was okay guys. But the UFC was and is better. You know it. I know it. And it eats you up...lol.
it was better? really?
so you think tim sylvia and arlovski were better pride heavyweights?
you think chuck was better than all the pride 205 guys?
you think rich franklin was better than dan henderson?
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Earl, why do you think Shogun lost last night?
Not really sure why everyone challenges what org is better. Bottom line is the UFC 5-10 years from now will have better fighters than it does today. The sport is young and training and technique etc, will evolve further.
Irrelevant. The bottom line is that, when both promotions were around, PRIDE had the best fighters. The evidence? PRIDE fighters beat UFC fighters when they fought far more often than not. I will never forget Chucky getting demolished by Rampage or former UFC legend, Mark Coleman, getting mauled by Fedor twice. Lololololol
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Earl, why do you think Shogun lost last night?
Not really sure why everyone challenges what org is better. Bottom line is the UFC 5-10 years from now will have better fighters than it does today. The sport is young and training and technique etc, will evolve further.
i don't know, maybe the long layoff hurt or maybe jones is just better
it's not just the fighters, pride put on a much better show with more fights and better presentation
the fans didn't act like pro wrestling fans, and bas rutten craps all over joe rogan as an announcer
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i don't know, maybe the long layoff hurt or maybe jones is just better
it's not just the fighters, pride put on a much better show with more fights and better presentation
the fans didn't act like pro wrestling fans, and bas rutten craps all over joe rogan as an announcer
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Well, your feeling on better presentations and Bas Rutten are in the minority. The UFC has experienced far greater success for a reason.
Sorry, you want to be an abnormally.
IMO, if you watched the way Shogun trains, he really is outdated pushing up weights on a smith machine, etc....why?
He is still top of the food chain, but the sport is passing him by like many other greats.
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Irrelevant. The bottom line is that, when both promotions were around, PRIDE had the best fighters. The evidence? PRIDE fighters beat UFC fighters when they fought far more often than not. I will never forget Chucky getting demolished by Rampage or former UFC legend, Mark Coleman, getting mauled by Fedor twice. Lololololol
SUCKMYMUSCLE
There was a time when Pride had better fighters. And if you're into the whole fake wrestling thing with fixed fights and fighter narratives, then I can see why you would have liked Pride better. That's not the argument though. All of you Pride ball lickers feel like you're superior to anyone who is a new fan of the sport. You put people down, call them "TUF Newbies" and can't STFU about how much better it was in the "old days". You guys would have loved for Pride & StrikeForce to succeed and you prayed that the UFC would fail.
Well guess what? The UFC is now bigger and better than Pride ever was. Today's UFC fighters are better than anything Pride ever produced. And, it's only getting better. You lose :)
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Well, your feeling on better presentations and Bas Rutten are in the minority. The UFC has experienced far greater success for a reason.
Sorry, you want to be an abnormally.
IMO, if you watched the way Shogun trains, he really is outdated pushing up weights on a smith machine, etc....why?
He is still top of the food chain, but the sport is passing him by like many other greats.
yeah that reason is it is marketed better in the US ::)
one loss to a young phenom and now the sport is passing him by, if shogun won you would have excuses ::)
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Well, your feeling on better presentations and Bas Rutten are in the minority. The UFC has experienced far greater success for a reason.
Sorry, you want to be an abnormally.
IMO, if you watched the way Shogun trains, he really is outdated pushing up weights on a smith machine, etc....why?
He is still top of the food chain, but the sport is passing him by like many other greats.
Abnormally? It's anomaly you stupid fuck. And hes not in the minority, most fans that have been following the sport for more than two years such as yourself agree with him . And when have you ever "watched" the way Shogun trains beyond a clip or two on youtube? Up until yesterday he was the best in the world at 205. Is Ryan Bader's method of training outdated as well? How about Brandon Vera's or anybody else Jones has beaten thus far? Seriously, the more you respond the dumber you look.
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Abnormally? It's anomaly you stupid fuck. And hes not in the minority, most fans that have been following the sport for more than two years such as yourself agree with him . And when have you ever "watched" the way Shogun trains beyond a clip or two on youtube? Up until yesterday he was the best in the world at 205. Is Ryan Bader's method of training outdated as well? How about Brandon Vera's or anybody else Jones has beaten thus far? Seriously, the more you respond the dumber you look.
Wow, tis whole thing seems to be really getting to you...lol. I like Bas, but the guys is very annoying to listen to. Rogan blows him away.
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Wow, tis whole thing seems to be really getting to you...lol. I like Bas, but the guys is very annoying to listen to. Rogan blows him away.
hahaha you can't be serious
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hahaha you can't be serious
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Dead serious. But, this is all a matter of opinion. No sense in arguing about it.
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Abnormally? It's anomaly you stupid fuck. And hes not in the minority, most fans that have been following the sport for more than two years such as yourself agree with him . And when have you ever "watched" the way Shogun trains beyond a clip or two on youtube? Up until yesterday he was the best in the world at 205. Is Ryan Bader's method of training outdated as well? How about Brandon Vera's or anybody else Jones has beaten thus far? Seriously, the more you respond the dumber you look.
Settle down bra....
The fact that you have to ask me where I've seen Shogun train is fact that you really don't follow MMA that close. That right there my friend is one of the dumbest things you have posted. OUTED for sure.
Did you lose money picking Shogun or something?
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LMAOOOOO--
Ok. Enlighten me. Where have you seen Shogun train in person and then explain to me how Ryan Bader, Brandon Vera, or any other strictly UFC product that Jones has dismantled trains in an "outdated" manner and why that affected the outcome of their fight with Jones.
I made a friendly bet with Coltrane that I knew I would probably lose. I'm not bothered by Shogun losing. What annoys me is your typically idiotic response to the fight and the fact that you switch names back and forth to respond to other people on here so it looks like you have support for your opinions.
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Wow, tis whole thing seems to be really getting to you...lol. I like Bas, but the guys is very annoying to listen to. Rogan blows him away.
Dude you are a whiny 14 yr old in mods clothing. I'd say 90% of the threads you start are anti fedor, Pride is dead, type stuff with a bunch of fanboy filler in them, which consists mostly of you and your other accounts hollow posts. It's getting quite annoying, you can probably condense all of the shit you post into 2 threads since it all boils down to the same 2 topics.
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The only person who mentions Pride is Mindspin.Nobody even cares about wots 'better'.1 is American and the other isnt so how can they be compared? They were both enjoyable and had/have great fights.Its pointless comparing when 1 has a ring and the other an octagon...
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How AREN'T you a fan of Pride? It was the greatest MMA show on earth. Even the Fertitta brothers will tell you that.. ???
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How AREN'T you a fan of Pride? It was the greatest MMA show on earth. Even the Ferretti brothers will tell you that.. ???
"Ferretti brothers?" :-\
PRIDE is ancient history, kids. Move along.
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woops
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Its not that im a specific "fanboy" as you label it, but i thought that Pride did have better fights and some incredible fighters.
LHW title since Pride acquisition:
Rampage - Griffin - Evans - Machida - Shogun - Jones
3 from each org, none having a successful defense strangely enough (save Rampage's unification bout because Shogun won the first Machida fight also). Its a fair split for the best of the divisions. Prides glory days were 2004 - 2006 IMO when their divisions were far superior to the UFC's. The merge only strengthened Zuffa's grip on MMA and we are now seeing the benefit of things we used to dream about. Its not like the guys in Pride were unbeatable, but your seeming worship of all things UFC has blinded you to the fact that at one point in time UFC simply could not compete for talent.
Tim Sylvia / Andrei Arlovski vs a prime Fedor = Fedor hands down.
Chuck / Randy / Tito vs Wandy / Shogun = Pride win again
The main divisions were stacked with world class fighters putting on world class fights whilst Dana had no option but to give Sean Gannon a PPV match based on a boxing match with Kimbo.
Pride was corrupt, this much is true, and it eventually cost the company everything. UFC didnt make any headway until the reality show kicked off and then began to amass the $$ required to make itself the #1 org to fight for. The fact that Pride was so strong has assisted in solidifying UFC's grip on the sport, the contrasts between the wrestling industry and this are evident for all to see. I have always loved UFC, it started everything and i remember getting the video of UFC 1 when it was first released and having discussion about it in school with a group of friends who also had an interest. I remember buying a damn M&F magazine because Frank Mir was on the cover and had an article in which he was training with Chuck.
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I have been a legit fan of MMA since its inception and even played with its ideas before it went mainstream, so i have an unbiased view on it as a whole. All i can say is that the direction that the sport is being taken is everything i had hoped for but there is still quite a way to go before it is "there".
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How AREN'T you a fan of Pride? It was the greatest MMA show on earth. Even the Fertitta brothers will tell you that.. ???
Nobody around here is saying that PRIDE was not fun to watch.
The problem is people around here want to compare PRIDE and it's fighters to the current state of MMA/UFC.
So much has changed since then in MMA/UFC it's almost a totally different sport.
Taking nothing away from the champs of 3-5 yerars ago, but there is a whole new breed of UFC champions these days.
This is typical in a relatively new sport ans you will see this progression.
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Its not that im a specific "fanboy" as you label it, but i thought that Pride did have better fights and some incredible fighters.
LHW title since Pride acquisition:
Rampage - Griffin - Evans - Machida - Shogun - Jones
3 from each org, none having a successful defense strangely enough (save Rampage's unification bout because Shogun won the first Machida fight also). Its a fair split for the best of the divisions. Prides glory days were 2004 - 2006 IMO when their divisions were far superior to the UFC's. The merge only strengthened Zuffa's grip on MMA and we are now seeing the benefit of things we used to dream about. Its not like the guys in Pride were unbeatable, but your seeming worship of all things UFC has blinded you to the fact that at one point in time UFC simply could not compete for talent.
Tim Sylvia / Andrei Arlovski vs a prime Fedor = Fedor hands down.
Chuck / Randy / Tito vs Wandy / Shogun = Pride win again
The main divisions were stacked with world class fighters putting on world class fights whilst Dana had no option but to give Sean Gannon a PPV match based on a boxing match with Kimbo.
Pride was corrupt, this much is true, and it eventually cost the company everything. UFC didnt make any headway until the reality show kicked off and then began to amass the $$ required to make itself the #1 org to fight for. The fact that Pride was so strong has assisted in solidifying UFC's grip on the sport, the contrasts between the wrestling industry and this are evident for all to see. I have always loved UFC, it started everything and i remember getting the video of UFC 1 when it was first released and having discussion about it in school with a group of friends who also had an interest. I remember buying a damn M&F magazine because Frank Mir was on the cover and had an article in which he was training with Chuck.
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I have been a legit fan of MMA since its inception and even played with its ideas before it went mainstream, so i have an unbiased view on it as a whole. All i can say is that the direction that the sport is being taken is everything i had hoped for but there is still quite a way to go before it is "there".
Bro, that is an awesome post. QFT! The bickering you see on here is a function of Pride fan boys who think they are better than TUF newbies. Any time something good happens with the UFC, they chime in with how the UFC sucks, Dana White ruined the sport and Pride was better.
Then, of course, anyone who was not an original Pride fan gets defensive and the bickering begins.
You laid it out perfectly in you post. Thank you.
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Bro, that is an awesome post. QFT! The bickering you see on here is a function of Pride fan boys who think they are better than TUF newbies. Any time something good happens with the UFC, they chime in with how the UFC sucks, Dana White ruined the sport and Pride was better.
Then, of course, anyone who was not an original Pride fan gets defensive and the bickering begins.
You laid it out perfectly in you post. Thank you.
Who says all this that u talk about? I dont see any recent threads started by anybody saying UFC sucks, so what are you talking about?
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Nobody around here is saying that PRIDE was not fun to watch.
The problem is people around here want to compare PRIDE and it's fighters to the current state of MMA/UFC.
So much has changed since then in MMA/UFC it's almost a totally different sport.
Taking nothing away from the champs of 3-5 yerars ago, but there is a whole new breed of UFC champions these days.
This is typical in a relatively new sport ans you will see this progression.
You see progression in EVERY sport dumbass, not just new sports.Why do Olympic times keep getting beaten etc etc ::)
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Weren't they using that 'new breed' saying to describe Todd Duffee just before Overeem punched him out in the first round?
And 3 current champs have the size/reach advantage in all of their fights...guess who they are..
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You see progression in EVERY sport dumbass, not just new sports.Why do Olympic times keep getting beaten etc etc ::)
I'm referring to sports with RAPID drastic changes like the UFC/MMA.
Pretty much any X-Games sport would classify.
Olympics progress primarily due to better drugs. We all know that, dumbass.
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I'm referring to sports with RAPID drastic changes like the UFC/MMA.
Pretty much any X-Games sport would classify.
Olympics progress primarily due to better drugs. We all know that, dumbass.
Theres rapid/drastic changes because theres a new champion in a division? Or what other explanation do you have for that statement?
Better drugs? LOL seriously you think thats the only reason?
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Theres rapid/drastic changes because theres a new champion in a division? Or what other explanation do you have for that statement?
Better drugs? LOL seriously you think thats the only reason?
The point that RAPID progression tends to occur in new sports seems to make sense to me. You named the Olympics, which is all well and good. But you don't see major progression in sports like basketball, baseball, or football in the course of 5-7 years like you mma.
The 2000 Yankees could easily win the World Series in 2011, the 90's Cowboys would still be a beast in the NFL, and a prime MJ and the Bulls would still be a tough out in the playoffs in 2011. Go back 10-15 years in the UFC...you think they could hang with today's fighters? Look what Matt Hughes did to Royce Gracie. That fight made me want to cry, seeing a legend get beat down so badly.
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Theres rapid/drastic changes because theres a new champion in a division? Or what other explanation do you have for that statement?
Better drugs? LOL seriously you think thats the only reason?
This has nothing really to do with Jones in of itself, he's just one example. Look at the UFC champs of today and their style of fighting and game plans. That should answer your question.
If not, maybe MMA is not for you.
And in the Olympics, yes, I am 100% serious that better drugs and drug regimens have the biggest difference in performance. These drugs allow everything to improve. Drugs are a necessity for an elite athlete.
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The point that RAPID progression tends to occur in new sports seems to make sense to me. You named the Olympics, which is all well and good. But you don't see major progression in sports like basketball, baseball, or football in the course of 5-7 years like you mma.
The 2000 Yankees could easily win the World Series in 2011, the 90's Cowboys would still be a beast in the NFL, and a prime MJ and the Bulls would still be a tough out in the playoffs in 2011. Go back 10-15 years in the UFC...you think they could hang with today's fighters? Look what Matt Hughes did to Royce Gracie. That fight made me want to cry, seeing a legend get beat down so badly.
Of course they could hang with todays fighters.It all depends what age you want to put them in.If youre talking about fighters in their prime then id still say a Ken Shamrock is as good as anyone in his weight category ever was, even now.And when Gracie was beaten by Hughes im sure there was a difference in wether Gracie was at his prime compared to Hughes who was a beast at that point.So really that makes no sense.Theres NO WAY of comparing a young fighter beating a guy past his best and saying 'oh modern fighters are simply better' ::)
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Of course they could hang with todays fighters.It all depends what age you want to put them in.If youre talking about fighters in their prime then id still say a Ken Shamrock is as good as anyone in his weight category ever was, even now.And when Gracie was beaten by Hughes im sure there was a difference in wether Gracie was at his prime compared to Hughes who was a beast at that point.So really that makes no sense.Theres NO WAY of comparing a young fighter beating a guy past his best and saying 'oh modern fighters are simply better' ::)
Disagree completely, but you seem like a bit of a know-it-all, so believe what you want. ::)
Gracie lost to Hughes because his skill set and level of athleticism was not comparable to that of Hughes, not due to age. The fact is, Matt was totally familiar with Brazilian jiu jitsu, so Royce did not have an advantage like he did in the early days of the UFC. Royce was not a great athlete even in his prime, he just knew a style of grappling that was totally unfamiliar to his opponents.
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Of course they could hang with todays fighters.It all depends what age you want to put them in.If youre talking about fighters in their prime then id still say a Ken Shamrock is as good as anyone in his weight category ever was, even now.And when Gracie was beaten by Hughes im sure there was a difference in wether Gracie was at his prime compared to Hughes who was a beast at that point.So really that makes no sense.Theres NO WAY of comparing a young fighter beating a guy past his best and saying 'oh modern fighters are simply better' ::)
So Rua is past his best all of the sudden?
To say the only reason Hughes won Gracie was because Gracie was past his prime is ignorant.
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So Rua is past his best all of the sudden?
To say the only reason Hughes won Gracie was because Gracie was past his prime is ignorant.
I believe you are both wrong in assuming that its the skill difference that makes the difference. I think its evolution and the age of the fighter that makes the difference in most cases. Even though Gracie was way past his prime and over 40 years old, Matt still would have pounded his head in even if Royce was at his best. However, no holds barred is a completely different ball game.
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I believe you are both wrong in assuming that its the skill difference that makes the difference. I think its evolution and the age of the fighter that makes the difference in most cases. Even though Gracie was way past his prime and over 40 years old, Matt still would have pounded his head in even if Royce was at his best. However, no holds barred is a completely different ball game.
Trying to use your logic...
Is Rua past his prime?
What about BJ...he just had an amazing performance against one of the top WW's in the world, but he's past his prime, right?
Anderson Silva has been fighting a long time...shouldn't he be past his prime by now?
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Disagree completely, but you seem like a bit of a know-it-all, so believe what you want. ::)
Gracie lost to Hughes because his skill set and level of athleticism was not comparable to that of Hughes, not due to age. The fact is, Matt was totally familiar with Brazilian jiu jitsu, so Royce did not have an advantage like he did in the early days of the UFC. Royce was not a great athlete even in his prime, he just knew a style of grappling that was totally unfamiliar to his opponents.
QFT
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Disagree completely, but you seem like a bit of a know-it-all, so believe what you want. ::)
Gracie lost to Hughes because his skill set and level of athleticism was not comparable to that of Hughes, not due to age. The fact is, Matt was totally familiar with Brazilian jiu jitsu, so Royce did not have an advantage like he did in the early days of the UFC. Royce was not a great athlete even in his prime, he just knew a style of grappling that was totally unfamiliar to his opponents.
I actually agree with this.In my actual reply i was just using Shamrock as an example and didnt really think through what i was saying.Id agree that Hughes would beat Gracie at any point, so that wasnt the best example.Gracie was hardly an elite all round mixed martial artist though.I agree with Bill Anvil.Anybody could beat anybody in an octagon, cos styles make it more than anything.Unless someone is elite in striking, grappling, jui jitsu, has a granite chin, and massive gas tank, ANYBODY could beat him
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Trying to use your logic...
Is Rua past his prime?
What about BJ...he just had an amazing performance against one of the top WW's in the world, but he's past his prime, right?
Anderson Silva has been fighting a long time...shouldn't he be past his prime by now?
I didnt say it was the case for EVERY fight, but it is for alot of them. BJ doesn't seem like the same fighter he once was obviously because of the evolution, but he just doesnt seem as aggressive as he used to be. He more worried about getting hit and he doesnt seem like hes got the will to win anymore.