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CHARLESTON, S.C. — Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul visited Charleston on Monday to talk about his possible presidential bid, how to rein in the national debt and the current military action in Libya.
Paul, a tea party favorite who won his Senate seat last fall, is visiting several early presidential voting states independently of his father, once-and-possibly-future presidential candidate Ron Paul.
"The only decision I've made is I won't run against my dad," Rand Paul said.
He has upcoming trips planned to Iowa and New Hampshire, in part, he said, because "I want the tea party to have an influence over who the nominee is in 2012."
Paul said he favors a balanced budget amendment and restructuring Social Security and Medicare to increase the age when future benefits will kick in and to limit benefits to those who have relatively more income. Paul said he is working with South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham on Social Security reform.
Paul also expressed skepticism about the wisdom of the current U.S. military involvement in Libya, particularly when the nation's forces are engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan. "I'm not sure we need to be involved in a third war," he said. "You should ask the question, 'Is Libya a threat to our national security?' I'd like to have that debate."
Paul, whose new "The Tea Party Goes to Washington" book was written with help from Charleston columnist and radio personality Jack Hunter, said his political beliefs are similar to his father's but not always identical. For instance, Paul said unlike his father, he supports keeping open the terrorist prison at Guantanamo Bay and military — not civilian — trials for those captured on the battlefield.
Paul appeared in the College of Charleston's Bully Pulpit Series and the Charleston Meeting, a new invitation-only, center-right organization that invites prominent politicians to address its members off the record.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51722.html#ixzz1HQMBLFKd
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I like Rand Paul. He s not ready for 2012 obviously, but one day he will run.
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I like Rand Paul. He s not ready for 2012 obviously, but one day he will run.
I think he actually might be ready.
Ten years as a doctor.
Fifteen years as founder and chairman of the anti-tax organization Kentucky Taxpayers United (KTU).
He can raise money and get a rise out of crowds, and he's tea party for life, not this part-time bullshit we get with rudy, romney and palin.
And when starting office, he'll only have two years experience as senator - so what? Obama had 4 years, and it was "not enough" - but palin only had a year as governor and that was "plenty!"
Aside from that - the man knows economic issues, and he knows healthcare system. Aren't those the two biggest problems we have? He'll kill all these entitlement programs - and unlike the others who say they will do it, he probably actually will ;)
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Like I keep saying - he is the best political donation I have ever made in my life.
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CHARLESTON, S.C. — Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul visited Charleston on Monday to talk about his possible presidential bid, how to rein in the national debt and the current military action in Libya.
Paul, a tea party favorite who won his Senate seat last fall, is visiting several early presidential voting states independently of his father, once-and-possibly-future presidential candidate Ron Paul.
"The only decision I've made is I won't run against my dad," Rand Paul said.
He has upcoming trips planned to Iowa and New Hampshire, in part, he said, because "I want the tea party to have an influence over who the nominee is in 2012."
Paul said he favors a balanced budget amendment and restructuring Social Security and Medicare to increase the age when future benefits will kick in and to limit benefits to those who have relatively more income. Paul said he is working with South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham on Social Security reform.
Paul also expressed skepticism about the wisdom of the current U.S. military involvement in Libya, particularly when the nation's forces are engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan. "I'm not sure we need to be involved in a third war," he said. "You should ask the question, 'Is Libya a threat to our national security?' I'd like to have that debate."
Paul, whose new "The Tea Party Goes to Washington" book was written with help from Charleston columnist and radio personality Jack Hunter, said his political beliefs are similar to his father's but not always identical. For instance, Paul said unlike his father, he supports keeping open the terrorist prison at Guantanamo Bay and military — not civilian — trials for those captured on the battlefield.
Paul appeared in the College of Charleston's Bully Pulpit Series and the Charleston Meeting, a new invitation-only, center-right organization that invites prominent politicians to address its members off the record.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51722.html#ixzz1HQMBLFKd
"I won't run against my dad" Is this a hint that his dad might be running?
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"I won't run against my dad" Is this a hint that his dad might be running?
yeah, that line stood out for me as well. I will totally wear a RP t-shirt for the next 18 months if he'll run.
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I dont think Rand Paul is experienced enough
I also didn't think Obama was experienced enough
or Palin
etc
I think politicians should have more experience before running than what is usually common now where the only test people have is the mirror test (also applies at congress and senate level)
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He would get my vote
Him, his father or Christie
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He would get my vote
Him, his father or Christie
He is not for the Obama's Libian adventure.
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He is not for the Obama's Libian adventure.
Nobody is perfect ;)
There is certainly good arguments for staying the hell out of Libya, however we have to support the British after their support in Afghanistan and Irak IMO
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yeah, that line stood out for me as well. I will totally wear a RP t-shirt for the next 18 months if he'll run.
And still end up voting Obama.
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And still end up voting Obama.
Wearing the T-shirt is not enough you have to vote too :)
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Wearing the T-shirt is not enough you have to vote too :)
Stunning revelation, Blacken.
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Stunning revelation, Blacken.
Thanks 333386
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Wearing the T-shirt is not enough you have to vote too :)
lol i will totally take a cell pic of rand paul on my primary and general ballot as well.
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I dont think Rand Paul is experienced enough
I also didn't think Obama was experienced enough
or Palin
etc
I think politicians should have more experience before running than what is usually common now where the only test people have is the mirror test (also applies at congress and senate level)
Agree.
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From DU
Rand Paul for President? He's thinking about it
Tonight was listening to Larry Kudlow on the car radio.
His guest was Sen. Rand Paul.
He told Kudlow that he is thinking about running for President. He and Kudlow agreed that there are no candidates that are "pro business and pro growth enough" in the field.
Paul said it would depend in part of what Daddy Paul does. But he wants to be part of the political debate and is considering a run for president.
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I'd vote for him. He'd obliterate Obama in any debate on the economy.
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He will only have a year of senate experience, but he also has this:
Ten years as a doctor.
Fifteen years as founder and chairman of the anti-tax organization Kentucky Taxpayers United (KTU).
Of course, for those who said Obama didn't have enough experience (3 years in senate, 7 years at state senate level), this may not be enough.
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He will only have a year of senate experience, but he also has this:
Ten years as a doctor.
Fifteen years as founder and chairman of the anti-tax organization Kentucky Taxpayers United (KTU).
Of course, for those who said Obama didn't have enough experience (3 years in senate, 7 years at state senate level), this may not be enough.
Obama spent 3 years doing little more than voting "present".
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Obama spent 3 years doing little more than voting "present".
and rand Paul did nothing but break his sole promise to freeze the debt ceiling.
Still, i'll vote for him any day over obama.
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and rand Paul did nothing but break his sole promise to freeze the debt ceiling.
Still, i'll vote for him any day over obama.
Oh my God, he broke a promise! Obama certainly hasn't done that!!!!! ::)
You voted for a guy who spent 3 years voting "present". Is there any Dem you won't vote for?
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You voted for a guy who spent 3 years voting "present".
When did Bob Barr do this?
I'm voting Repub and taking a cell pic of my vote (provided the GOp doesn't run palin).
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When did Bob Barr do this?
I'm voting Repub and taking a cell pic of my vote (provided the GOp doesn't run palin).
I don't believe for a second that you voted Barr. Someone who voted for Barr doesn't log 10,000+ posts defending everything Obama does.
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I don't believe for a second that you voted Barr. Someone who voted for Barr doesn't log 10,000+ posts defending everything Obama does.
Will you give me $1 for every 240 quote I provide where I have bashed obama?
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Will you give me $1 for every 240 quote I provide where I have bashed obama?
I'll give you $1 for every 240 quote where you actually bash Obama without also justifying his actions by attacking the Repubs in a passive aggressive manner. ;)
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He doesn't have the name recognition or the money to be a serious player.
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He doesn't have the name recognition or the money to be a serious player.
I dunno... if Ron Paul was out campaigning for him, the $ would come. RP earned what, 35 million bucks, just in the EARLY primary season? And 12 mil of that was money bombs?
Add in the number of dems who will donate to him (cause no Dem candidate in primary) and 2008 repub voters/donors who wish they had voted Ron Paul... You have a very good potential for raising cash. The infrastructure is there.
NAME? Are you kidding? RON paul has serious name recognition. His kid won an improbale senator job (despite ZERO experience outside of being a doc and running a little special interest group) on NAME RECOGNITION ALONE.
So to your two points, I have to disagree. He has the name and he has the infrastructure to raise the cash. of course, your have a history of shitting on Ron Paul for not being 'viable' then supporting vp candidates dumber than a bag of hair, so...
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I dunno... if Ron Paul was out campaigning for him, the $ would come. RP earned what, 35 million bucks, just in the EARLY primary season? And 12 mil of that was money bombs?
Add in the number of dems who will donate to him (cause no Dem candidate in primary) and 2008 repub voters/donors who wish they had voted Ron Paul... You have a very good potential for raising cash. The infrastructure is there.
NAME? Are you kidding? RON paul has serious name recognition. His kid won an improbale senator job (despite ZERO experience outside of being a doc and running a little special interest group) on NAME RECOGNITION ALONE.
So to your two points, I have to disagree. He has the name and he has the infrastructure to raise the cash. of course, your have a history of shitting on Ron Paul for not being 'viable' then supporting vp candidates dumber than a bag of hair, so...
That's just downright silly. Ron Paul, comparatively, has raised peanuts. He cannot raise nearly enough money to be a viable candidate. There is no way he can raise hundreds of millions, which is what the Republican nominee will need to win.
And name recognition? Please. Rand Paul is an unknown. His name appears nowhere in straw polls. Thune had the same problem, which is why he dropped out before even running. He didn't have the name recognition or the cash.
As much as I like Ron Paul, he is little more than an internet phenom. He ran a long campaign in 2008 and never came close to winning a single primary. He had to fight to win reelection in his Congressional district. To think he has some great national "infrastructure" really makes no sense and conflicts with the actual historical facts. The man will never win a national race. His son might, but certainly not in 2012.
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Rand paul earned the 4th highest in 2009 $ among Senate challengers - for a small state like KY, that's very good.
A man with zero experience in politics, he sure as heck wouldn't have been earning the $ and winning the race if his name was Joe Smith.
You've poo-poo'd Ron Paul for 2 years, so it's no surprise you have it out for his son. It's cool - just remember that those who love Ron Paul will love his son too, very similiar on most issues. Toss in the fact he's the face of the tea party, and see the damage they did in 2010.
He may have a real chance here.
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Rand paul earned the 4th highest in 2009 $ among Senate challengers - for a small state like KY, that's very good.
A man with zero experience in politics, he sure as heck wouldn't have been earning the $ and winning the race if his name was Joe Smith.
You've poo-poo'd Ron Paul for 2 years, so it's no surprise you have it out for his son. It's cool - just remember that those who love Ron Paul will love his son too, very similiar on most issues. Toss in the fact he's the face of the tea party, and see the damage they did in 2010.
He may have a real chance here.
All I've done is state the facts. And how much did Rand Paul raise? Was it even $1 million?
Do you have any idea how much it takes to run a successful presidential campaign?
So now being the face of the tea party is a good thing? lol . . .
I'm sure it's hard for you to accept the 'tea party' movement has already peaked.
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He raised 1.75 million in 2009. Not too shabby for such a low population state, and his first foray into politics.
RON paul led repubs in 1 or 2 quarters in fundraising - and had the win with military donors too, didn't he? And he was out of it early, still go 35 million in the primaries.
I believe most RON paul voters will vote RAND.
I believe RON's $ raising machine will work for RAND.
I believe everyone who cried RON was too old will like RAND.
I think he's got at least as decent a chance as the romneycare mornon Mittens... the "losing to charlie sheen with independents" Palin... the "milking your asses while flip flopping on Libya" newt, etc.
fact is, until a Jeb jumps in, it's amateur hour in the GOP primaries. Rand is the voice of the tea party (not palin, RINO supporting capping emissions, amnesty and TARP) and while the TP is losing some influence, it's still tops among GOP voters.
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Well stop the presses. He raised $1.75 million. Add his father's $35 million (?) and he'd only need about another $462 million.
Even if Rand Paul gets every single Ron Paul voter, he still wins nothing. I said this jokingly before, but I question whether Ron Paul got more votes than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton when they ran for president. The man's national support is paper thin.
What Ron Paul supporters don't like to talk about is the facts, like money, number votes, primary losses, and struggling to win reelection in his home state. For example, here are the results from Ron Paul's home state in 2008 (Republican presidential primary):
John McCain 707,622 51%
Mike Huckabee 521,950 38%
Ron Paul 69,824 5%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2008_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries#Texas_primary
How on earth can the man win a national election when he gets 5 percent of the vote in his home state in a primary??
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How on earth can the man win a national election when Sean Hannity and FOX News trash him nonstop?
That's a really good question man.
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That's a really good question man.
That's good. Pretty consistent with you just making stuff up (like Newt making $14.5 million from his PAC). ::)
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Well stop the presses. He raised $1.75 million. Add his father's $35 million (?) and he'd only need about another $462 million.
Even if Rand Paul gets every single Ron Paul voter, he still wins nothing. I said this jokingly before, but I question whether Ron Paul got more votes than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton when they ran for president. The man's national support is paper thin.
What Ron Paul supporters don't like to talk about is the facts, like money, number votes, primary losses, and struggling to win reelection in his home state. For example, here are the results from Ron Paul's home state in 2008 (Republican presidential primary):
John McCain 707,622 51%
Mike Huckabee 521,950 38%
Ron Paul 69,824 5%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2008_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries#Texas_primary
How on earth can the man win a national election when he gets 5 percent of the vote in his home state in a primary??
it's people like you that keep America from getting back to its true roots.
To my knowledge you have never got on here telling us what policies you don't like from Ron Paul. You've mainly just said, he can't win so fuck that... You've mocked him, you've mocked me for pointing out people talk about him more than other candidates. So what's the beef buddy... lay out what you don't like about this guy's political stance.... Because there are a jillion others like you and I wanna hear what's so wrong with Ron Paul that you can't vote for him?
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That's a really good question man.
That alone should get him voters.
Trashing from FOX News and especially Hannity is a sign you have some good ideas.
If you get the support from Hannity it just meanes you area piece of shit and a traitor to the american cause
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it's people like you that keep America from getting back to its true roots.
To my knowledge you have never got on here telling us what policies you don't like from Ron Paul. You've mainly just said, he can't win so fuck that... You've mocked him, you've mocked me for pointing out people talk about him more than other candidates. So what's the beef buddy... lay out what you don't like about this guy's political stance.... Because there are a jillion others like you and I wanna hear what's so wrong with Ron Paul that you can't vote for him?
LOL! I'm the reason Ron Paul didn't win a single primary? It's my fault he got 5 percent of the vote in the 2008 Republican primary? It's my fault he had trouble convincing people in his own Congressional district to vote for him? lol . . . O.k. That's really funny. :)
When have I ever mocked Ron Paul? Quote me. Maybe I have Alzheimer's, but all I've ever done is talk about how I like the guy, and point out why he will never be president.
What I have mocked is the absurd comments about the evil media conspiracy to suppress Ron Paul, and that this is the reason why he can't get elected.
And to say I've never disagreed with him is flat out false too.