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At least 37 Syrian protesters killed, hospital says
By Suleiman al-Khalidi
DERAA, Syria | Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:04pm EDT
(Reuters) - The main hospital in the southern Syrian city of Deraa has received the bodies of at least 37 protesters who were killed in a confrontation with security forces, a hospital official said Thursday.
Security forces opened fire on hundreds of youths at the northern entrance to Deraa Wednesday afternoon, according to witnesses, in a dramatic escalation of nearly a week of protests in which at least 44 civilians have been killed since Friday.
Around 20,000 people marched Thursday in the funerals for nine of those killed, chanting freedom slogans and denying official accounts that infiltrators and "armed gangs" are behind the killings and violence in Deraa.
"Traitors do not kill their own people ... God, Syria, Freedom. The blood of martyrs is not spilled in waste!" they chanted in Deraa's southern cemetery.
As Syrian soldiers armed with AK-47s roamed the streets of the southern city, residents emptied shops of staples and basic goods and said they feared the government of President Bashar al-Assad was intent on crushing the revolt by force.
Assad, a close ally of Iran, key player in neighboring Lebanon and supporter of militant groups opposed to Israel, has dismissed rising demands for reform in Syria, a country of 20 million people run by the Baath Party since a 1963 coup.
A government statement said "outside parties" were spreading lies about the situation in Deraa, which is near the Jordanian border. It blamed "armed gangs" for the violence.
Some people recalled the 1982 massacre in Hama, when Assad's father, Hafez al-Assad, sent troops to the conservative religious city to crush the armed wing of the Muslim Brotherhood. Human rights groups say at least 20,000 died.
"If the rest of Syria does not erupt Friday, we will be facing annihilation," said one resident, referring to Friday prayers, the only time citizens are allowed to gather en masse without government permission.
DIFFERENT TIMES
The environment today is very different from that of 1982, when Syria was supported by the Soviet Union and its minority Alawite rulers were firming up their control of the country against religious and secular opponents without serious criticism from the international community.
Assad, who is facing mounting criticism by the West for the bloodshed in Deraa, "is not against any Syrian citizen," Syrian Vice President Farouk al-Shara was quoted as saying this week.
The protesters in Deraa, a mainly Sunni city, have shouted slogans against the government's alliance with Shi'ite Iran, breaking a taboo on criticizing Syrian foreign policy.
But their slogans have also emphasized the unity of Syria, a country of myriad sects and ethnicities where Islamists have been allowed by the government to exercise more social influence on society in the last few years.
Deraa is tribal, with emphasis on big families and significant income from expatriates around the world. The people are conservative, but old leftist and Nasserite influences linger. The Baath Party, which has a secular ideology, and the army, have recruited many cadres from Deraa.
The army has so far taken a secondary role -- mostly manning checkpoints -- in confronting demonstrations. Secret police and special police units wearing all black have been more visible in Deraa since the protests erupted last Friday.
Witnesses said hundreds of soldiers patrolled Deraa's main streets as heavy rain fell, with scores manning intersections to prevent public gatherings. Travelers on a main highway near Deraa said they saw convoys of trucks carrying up to 2,000 soldiers heading to Deraa Wednesday night.
VOCAL ANTI-IRANIAN SENTIMENT
In a separate attack in the early hours of Wednesday, security forces fired at protesters in the vicinity of the Omari mosque in Deraa's old quarter, residents said.
Two people killed in that attack, a man and a woman called Ibtissam Masalmeh, were buried in Deraa Wednesday. Thousands marched in the funeral chanting calls for freedom, and -- for the first time since protests broke out Friday -- slogans against Iran and Lebanon's armed Shi'ite movement Hezbollah.
"Honorable Syrians don't rely on Iran or Hezbollah," they chanted..
YouTube footage showed what was purported to be the street in front of the mosque before the attack, with sound of gunfire audible and a person inside the mosque grounds yelling: "Brother don't shoot. This country is big enough for me and you."
The United Nations and the United States condemned the violence. France, which occupied Syria from 1925 to 1946, urged the ruling elite to open up to dialogue and democratic change.
Britain called on Syria to respect people's right to peaceful protest and to take action on their grievances.
The Baath Party has banned opposition and enforced emergency laws since 1963. But the wave of Arab unrest which has toppled leaders in Tunisia and Egypt presents Assad with the biggest challenge to his rule since he succeeded his father Hafez al-Assad, who ruled Syria for 30 years until his death in 2000.
(Additional reporting by John Irish in Paris; writing by Khaled Yacoub Oweis in Damascus, editing by Myra MacDonald)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/24/us-syria-idUSTRE72N2MC20110324?pageNumber=2
Syrians are dying left and right. Will that pathetic excuse for a president intervene here? He could kill two birds with one stone. These protesters seem to hate Iran/Hezbollah. Think about the damage this can do to Iranian interests in the region. Knocking their biggest ally out of the picture would do a lot to stabilize that region.
Will Obama help them or throw them to the wolves? Given that he has pissed on the head of the Iranian populace twice now I'm guessing the Syrian people will meet the same fate. :-\
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Silence from team kneepad of course.
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where is syria on the world oil export list? ;)
We intervene for oil and for terrorism. If a country doesn't EXPORT either, we don't go in.
Is this really news to anyone here?
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where is syria on the world oil export list? ;)
We intervene for oil and for terrorism. If a country doesn't EXPORT either, we don't go in.
Is this really news to anyone here?
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it's not so much obama's policy, as american policy. a very smart author was on msnc the other morning, talking about why we're not in africa fixing things in other places. he wrote a book on the turmoil in some country i can't recall.
he pointed at all these recent US interventions. Showed if the country exported oil or terrorism, we got invovled. if not, we didn't bother. not a dem or repub thing. Just a USA thing.
If you think it's incorrect, don't just roll your eyes. Tell me the laundry list of US interventions - here's a list of US military interventions from 1890 to today.
http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html
it's like a laundry list of oil nations and terrorist training states, to be honest.
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So bama lied us into war correct.
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You don't even know what you're talking about, hence the rolled eyes.
So Syria doesn't export terrorism? Where the fuck have you been for the last few decades? And the oil argument you constantly throw out is retarded. We invaded Iraq for oil, spent all that money taking it over to secure the oil..............and then we let China win the contracts to the biggest fields in Iraq. Why would we go through all that effort and then let China win contracts left and right? Humor me. ::)
You really don't think anything through and you try to pass off stupid CT claims as fact. Move along.
So bama lied us into war correct.
Hahaha, backfire on that 240 post.
Obama = war criminal.
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It's funny how now people are Using events around the world to question why we haven't intervened. It's not too unsimilar to the same thing libs did with Bush.
But, Bama has yet to commit 100k soliers and a trillion dollars on a lie, so the differences remain.
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It's funny how now people are Using events around the world to question why we haven't intervened. It's not too unsimilar to the same thing libs did with Bush.
But, Bama has yet to commit 100k soliers and a trillion dollars on a lie, so the differences remain.
We're using events around the world to showcase the pathetic double standard being played by the Obama regime.
Obama has said we intervened in Libya to prevent civilians getting killed. Well, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria and Iran have all killed protesters recently. Syria is killing them by the truckload. What makes them different?
Our bill on Libya is already approaching $1 billion (if it hasn't exceeded it already). For a war we shouldn't be in.
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if syris sent men who downed 4 US planes, we'd be in there.
if syrian's leaders were about to massace 100,000 people, we'd be in there.
A few dozen people ain't shit.
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if syris sent men who downed 4 US planes, we'd be in there.
if syrian's leaders were about to massace 100,000 people, we'd be in there.
A few dozen people ain't shit.
Gadhafi was about to massacre 100,000 people? You sound like Chris Tingles.
Syria finances Hezbollah, who, up until 9/11, had killed more Americans than any other terrorist group on the planet. ::)
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We're using events around the world to showcase the pathetic double standard being played by the Obama regime.
Obama has said we intervened in Libya to prevent civilians getting killed. Well, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria and Iran have all killed protesters recently. Syria is killing them by the truckload. What makes them different?
Our bill on Libya is already approaching $1 billion (if it hasn't exceeded it already). For a war we shouldn't be in.
I know what you are doing, but its the same fucking BS as with the Bush administration. The difference is, BUSH did it in a much bigger way. First it was WMD's then it was freeing them from a evil dictator then it was spreading democracy.
I just love how people sing the same songs on different sides.
That being said, just for your indulgence, OB's is a serious fuck up in foreign policy.
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I feel sorry for the people, but since when is every country OUR problem? Its not our problem, if we go out saving everyone, were gonna fuck ourselves.
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I know what you are doing, but its the same fucking BS as with the Bush administration. The difference is, BUSH did it in a much bigger way. First it was WMD's then it was freeing them from a evil dictator then it was spreading democracy.
I just love how people sing the same songs on different sides.
That being said, just for your indulgence, OB's is a serious fuck up in foreign policy.
I don't approve of what Bush did and I'm certainly not approving of the God-King's.
This guy is such a tw@t that he won't even call it a war. They keep referring to it as "kinetic military action". At least Bush called it for what it was. ::)
I feel sorry for the people, but since when is every country OUR problem? Its not our problem, if we go out saving everyone, were gonna fuck ourselves.
It's not our problem. But we're going to look even worse in the eyes of the Muslim as they watch us cherry pick which civilians to support. It's completely hypocritical and Obama put us in this situation by running into Libya guns-a-blazing.
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It's not our problem. But we're going to look even worse in the eyes of the Muslim as they watch us cherry pick which civilians to support. It's completely hypocritical and Obama put us in this situation by running into Libya guns-a-blazing.
Look even worse? Sure the U.S image CAN get worse, but its plenty bad as it is so don't worry about that. Cherry picking? Well it would have been best not to intervene AT ALL, since now were gonna look like "cherry pickers" What kinda logic is that anyway?
Obama put us in this situation? Ummmm, might have to go back a few administrations to blame anything on anyone really.
Anyway, the Warmonger wins yet again.
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Obama put us in this situation? Ummmm, might have to go back a few administrations to blame anything on anyone really.
How so?
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How so?
His entire post is incoherent.
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Death toll for today now stands at 100+. Protesters unloaded on by Syrian govt. forces.
The UK Telegraph actually got hold of video showing them firing on the protesters at the link:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/8403452/Syrian-forces-open-fire-on-protesters.html
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01856/BodiesSyria_1856004a.jpg)
Syria next, Obama? ::)
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holy shit, they're starting to massacre them!
WTF is making all these morons decide 2011 is the year of he overthrow?
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Cairo speech. Bamas fault.
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holy shit, they're starting to massacre them!
WTF is making all these morons decide 2011 is the year of he overthrow?
I'd guess it has to do with watching one country's people succeed and deciding to take a chance like they did. In some cases it works (Tunisia, Egypt) and in others the world throws them to the wolves (Iran, Syria).
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BF making bloody tampons like 240 shrivel up and die in this thread.
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Obama gets tough w allies, easy pickings and targets, and avoids the real causes of trouble like iran an syria.
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Thousands of Syrian mourners burn Baath party buildings
DAMASCUS – Thousands of mourners at a funeral for a Syrian killed in anti-government protests burned a ruling Baath party building and a police station on Saturday as authorities freed 260 prisoners in a bid to placate reformists.
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was facing the deepest crisis of his 11 years in power after security forces fired on protesters on Friday, adding to a death toll that rights groups have said now numbers in the dozens.
Mosques across Deraa announced the names of “martyrs” whose funerals would be held in the southern city and on Saturday hundreds were gathering in the main square chanting for freedom.
Three bare-chested young men climbed onto the rubble of a statue of late President Hafez al-Assad, which protesters pulled down on Friday in a scene that recalled the toppling of Saddam Hussein’s statue in Iraq in 2003 by US troops.
A witness said they had cardboard signs reading “the people want the downfall of the regime”, a refrain heard in uprisings across the Arab world from Tunisia to Egypt to Yemen.
In nearby Tafas, mourners in the funeral procession of Kamal Baradan, who was killed on Friday in Deraa, set fire to the Baath party building and the police station, residents said.
A human rights lawyer said on Saturday that 260 prisoners, mostly Islamists, had been released after completing at least three-quarters of their sentences.
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=213904&R=R3
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It's funny how now people are Using events around the world to question why we haven't intervened. It's not too unsimilar to the same thing libs did with Bush.
But, Bama has yet to commit 100k soliers and a trillion dollars on a lie, so the differences remain.
I am a Bush supporter..but this is correct
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I am a Bush supporter..but this is correct
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Do you mean that you like when women grow out the hair on their vag?
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Do you mean that you like when women grow out the hair on their vag?
I do like that actually
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To survive, Assad must contain majority Sunni unrest before it infects army
(Debka)- The protest against Bashar Assad’s regime is swelling. From its first epicenter in the southern town of Deraa it spread Friday, March 25, to new cities, Homs, Aleppo, Latakia and parts of Damascus. It has quickly attained the scale unforeseen by the regime of
a popular uprising by the majority Sunni population (74 percent) against Allawite-dominated (15 percent) rule.
Army troops gunned the protesters down in what witnesses described as a massacre of scores and hundreds injured, raising calls from the opposition for international intervention.
The authorities were caught unawares by the upsurge of street rallies that followed preachers’ sermons in hundreds of Sunni mosques calling on their congregations to go out and drive the Assads and the minority Allawite sect from power. The Syrian secret service missed the Muslim Brotherhood’s hand in organizing this mass street eruption. The strongest rallying cry came from the influential radical Egyptian television preacher Yussuf Qaradawi who called on Syria’s Sunni community to stand up for its rights as a majority.
Because the army’s 4th Division commanded by Bashar’s brother Maher Assad, the only unit to be manned by Allawites, is tied down in suppressing riots in the southern town of Deraa and most of the troops in all other units are Sunnis, Assad is short of trusted contingents to defend his regime. He figured that fresh outbreaks in Deraa would inflame the rest of the country and therefore kept the 4th Division in place.
But the outbreaks spread to other key cities anyway under slogans calling for solidarity with the martyrs of Deraa and threatening his power centers in Damascus and beyond.
Neither the conciliatory measures announced on Thursday nor the security crackdown against protesters has succeeded in stifling dissent and defusing the crisis.
Defiancecontinues in Deraa itself even after demonstrators were gunned down with live bullets. The al-Omari mosque, which was stormed by security forces on Tuesday night, was reported to be back in the hands of protesters.The mosque has been the focal point of dissent in Deraa.
The tipping point for the 11-year old Assad regime (which followed the one his father established after a military coup) is therefore not far off unless he makes the right decision or receives outside help.
He can either opt for the Qaddafi option, for instance, or follow the example of the King of Bahrain.
From the outset of the Libya revolt in February, Muammar Qaddafi opted for abandoning the east and focusing his military effort on preserving his centers of power in Tripoli and its outlying towns. After stabilizing his rule, he planned to set out and wrest the rest of the country from the rebels opposing his regime.
So far, his gamble has succeeded. The rebels backed by international forces have not unseated him.
Will Assad decide after Friday that he has enough loyal military strength to buttress his rule over all of Syria, or choose to pull in his horns and concentrate on saving Damascus?
Since much of his army is unreliable, the Syrian ruler may have to opt for the Bahrain remedy – namely, calling for outside help as did King Hamid al Khalifa who asked Riyadh for Saudi forces to prop up his throne against a Shiite-led uprising.
The allies who come to mind in the case of Assad are Iran, the Lebanese Hizballah, pro-Iranian Palestinian groups with bases in Damascus – Hamas, Jihad Islami and Ahmad Jibril’s Popular Palestinian Front-General Command.
It would take Tehran no more than a few hours to fly Revolutionary Guards units into Damascus. An Iranian command structure is already positioned at Syrian armed forces headquarters in Damascus. Also available to Tehran is an Iraqi Shiite militia, the Mehdi Army of the radical cleric Moqtada Sadr, a good personal friend both of Hizballah’s Hassan Nasrallah and Assad.
Saturday, there was widespread speculation that Tehran would do its utmost to rescue the Syrian ruler who only recently opened the port of Latakia for an Iranian base.
Giving Hizballah a foothold in Syria is more complicated given the unstated competition between him and the Syrian ruler and the latter’s reservations about the former’s rising military strength and effective secret and terrorist capabilities. Assad would undoubtedly take into account that once Hizballah gained a foothold in Syria, it would be hard to dislodge.
Putting the fate of the Assad regime in the hands of radical Palestinian organizations would be equally imprudent and, worse, a humiliation.
It would give Palestinians their second open door to an Arab uprising, the first of which gave Hamas undreamed of leverage in Egypt.
Assad may even stage an attack on Israel as a desperate diversionary tactic from his troubles.
http://www.debka.com/article/20803/
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To survive, Assad must contain majority Sunni unrest before it infects army
(Debka)- The protest against Bashar Assad’s regime is swelling. From its first epicenter in the southern town of Deraa it spread Friday, March 25, to new cities, Homs, Aleppo, Latakia and parts of Damascus. It has quickly attained the scale unforeseen by the regime of
a popular uprising by the majority Sunni population (74 percent) against Allawite-dominated (15 percent) rule.
Army troops gunned the protesters down in what witnesses described as a massacre of scores and hundreds injured, raising calls from the opposition for international intervention.
The authorities were caught unawares by the upsurge of street rallies that followed preachers’ sermons in hundreds of Sunni mosques calling on their congregations to go out and drive the Assads and the minority Allawite sect from power. The Syrian secret service missed the Muslim Brotherhood’s hand in organizing this mass street eruption. The strongest rallying cry came from the influential radical Egyptian television preacher Yussuf Qaradawi who called on Syria’s Sunni community to stand up for its rights as a majority.
Because the army’s 4th Division commanded by Bashar’s brother Maher Assad, the only unit to be manned by Allawites, is tied down in suppressing riots in the southern town of Deraa and most of the troops in all other units are Sunnis, Assad is short of trusted contingents to defend his regime. He figured that fresh outbreaks in Deraa would inflame the rest of the country and therefore kept the 4th Division in place.
But the outbreaks spread to other key cities anyway under slogans calling for solidarity with the martyrs of Deraa and threatening his power centers in Damascus and beyond.
Neither the conciliatory measures announced on Thursday nor the security crackdown against protesters has succeeded in stifling dissent and defusing the crisis.
Defiancecontinues in Deraa itself even after demonstrators were gunned down with live bullets. The al-Omari mosque, which was stormed by security forces on Tuesday night, was reported to be back in the hands of protesters.The mosque has been the focal point of dissent in Deraa.
The tipping point for the 11-year old Assad regime (which followed the one his father established after a military coup) is therefore not far off unless he makes the right decision or receives outside help.
He can either opt for the Qaddafi option, for instance, or follow the example of the King of Bahrain.
From the outset of the Libya revolt in February, Muammar Qaddafi opted for abandoning the east and focusing his military effort on preserving his centers of power in Tripoli and its outlying towns. After stabilizing his rule, he planned to set out and wrest the rest of the country from the rebels opposing his regime.
So far, his gamble has succeeded. The rebels backed by international forces have not unseated him.
Will Assad decide after Friday that he has enough loyal military strength to buttress his rule over all of Syria, or choose to pull in his horns and concentrate on saving Damascus?
Since much of his army is unreliable, the Syrian ruler may have to opt for the Bahrain remedy – namely, calling for outside help as did King Hamid al Khalifa who asked Riyadh for Saudi forces to prop up his throne against a Shiite-led uprising.
The allies who come to mind in the case of Assad are Iran, the Lebanese Hizballah, pro-Iranian Palestinian groups with bases in Damascus – Hamas, Jihad Islami and Ahmad Jibril’s Popular Palestinian Front-General Command.
It would take Tehran no more than a few hours to fly Revolutionary Guards units into Damascus. An Iranian command structure is already positioned at Syrian armed forces headquarters in Damascus. Also available to Tehran is an Iraqi Shiite militia, the Mehdi Army of the radical cleric Moqtada Sadr, a good personal friend both of Hizballah’s Hassan Nasrallah and Assad.
Saturday, there was widespread speculation that Tehran would do its utmost to rescue the Syrian ruler who only recently opened the port of Latakia for an Iranian base.
Giving Hizballah a foothold in Syria is more complicated given the unstated competition between him and the Syrian ruler and the latter’s reservations about the former’s rising military strength and effective secret and terrorist capabilities. Assad would undoubtedly take into account that once Hizballah gained a foothold in Syria, it would be hard to dislodge.
Putting the fate of the Assad regime in the hands of radical Palestinian organizations would be equally imprudent and, worse, a humiliation.
It would give Palestinians their second open door to an Arab uprising, the first of which gave Hamas undreamed of leverage in Egypt.
Assad may even stage an attack on Israel as a desperate diversionary tactic from his troubles.
http://www.debka.com/article/20803/
If he did that, he would get his ass kicked in no time
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Hillary Clinton: No U.S. Intervention In Syria Because Assad Is A “Reformer"
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the U.S. won’t enter into the internal conflict in Syria the way it has in Libya.
“No,” Clinton said, when asked on the CBS “Face the Nation” program if the U.S. would intervene in Syria’s unrest. Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad’s security forces clashed with protesters in several cities yesterday after his promises of freedoms and pay increases failed to prevent dissent from spreading across the country.
Clinton said the elements that led to intervention in Libya — international condemnation, an Arab League call for action, a United Nations Security Council resolution — are “not going to happen” with Syria, in part because members of the U.S. Congress from both parties say they believe Assad is “a reformer.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-27/u-s-won-t-intervene-in-syria-unrest-clinton-says-on-cbs.html
Assad a reformer? Hahahahahahahahah! I need some of the stuff the people in this regime are smoking.
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Embarrassing.
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Embarrassing.
Yes it is embarresing to hear americans be such pussies
If we all were like you the Nazis had won in WW2
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Did syria declare war on us like hitler did?
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I think the japanese did
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Which shows how utterly ignorant and stupid you are. Read a book and stop typing.
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Which shows how utterly ignorant and stupid you are. Read a book and stop typing.
Enlighten me then oh wise elder...
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Hitler declared war on the usa.
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Hitler declared war on the usa.
So you are saying that if Hitler had not declared war on the US we should simply ignore Holocaust and let the Nazis exterminate the jews?
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Have you ever read a book on the topic? Yes or no?
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Have you ever read a book on the topic? Yes or no?
Read a book on WW2? Yes
A book specifically about how the US got involved? No
But please enlighten me
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Read a book on WW2? Yes
A book specifically about how the US got involved? No
But please enlighten me
Do your own research.
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Syrian Protesters Claim to Have Captured Five Iranian Revolutionary Guards
Syrian sources announced that residents of the city of Dara’a were able to capture five elements of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards who participated in suppressing the peaceful demonstrations protesting the regime of Bashar al-Asad in Syria, alongside with elements form Hezbollah and Syrian security forces, according to what was reported by the website “Beirut Observer.”
The sources stated: “Residents of Dara’a are holding the five elements in a secret location, and contacted one of the satellite television stations, believe to be al-Jazeera, in order to communicate with them to show the video tape of the prisoners. However, they were surprised half an hour later by Syrian security forces, who demolished the house of one of those who was contacting the satellite station.”
The sources pointed out that, “The Iranian prisoners confessed that each element receives the sum of one million Syrian lira monthly from the Syrian authorities in exchange for participating in suppressing the protesters.”
The sources also stated: “The Syrian security forces are sweeping the city of Dara’a to find those elements before the residents are able to show the video tape and expose the Syrian regime.”
Previous news reports spoke of Mahir al-Asad, the brother of Bashar al-Asad, entering the Syrian city of Dara’a accompanied by 5,000 elements from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, supported by the Fourth Division of the Syrian Army, which was stationed outside the city.
http://translating-jihad.blogspot.com/2011/03/syrian-protesters-claim-to-have.html
How long until Asad emulates Iran and calls in Hezbollah to take care of things?
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Hopefully Osama won't miss this opportunity to damage U.S. interests and apologize for the actions of the protestors. ::)
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Hopefully Osama won't miss this opportunity to damage U.S. interests and apologize for the actions of the protestors. ::)
An empowered, nuclear-armed Iran seems to be the goal of Obama's Middle East policy.
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Cairo speech. Bamas fault.
nope..wrong again..
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Hitler declared war on the usa.
yes you are technically correct..Hitler did declare war on America...but he and Germany were nowhere near prepared to fight with us..it was just empty words....the Japanese were the ones who attacked and therefore drew our attention first...
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After PH it didn't matter who declared on who. We were brought into the war.
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After PH it didn't matter who declared on who. We were brought into the war by FDR.
Settle down there, alex jones.
If FDR hadn't done what he done, we wouldn't have been able to enjoy the Ben Affleck work of art that was the film carrying the same name.
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Settle down there, alex jones.
If FDR hadn't done what he done, we wouldn't have been able to enjoy the Ben Affleck work of art that was the film carrying the same name.
LOL!