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How many of you guys here that have bench pressed and overhead pressed for a few years can say with a straight face that your shoulders feel fine?
I have officially quit these exercises, they suck ass. :'(
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I do only incline bench press, haven done flat bench in years.
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How many of you guys here that have bench pressed and overhead pressed for a few years can say with a straight face that your shoulders feel fine?
I have officially quit these exercises, they suck ass. :'(
Flat barbell benching fucked up my right rotator cuff. I vividly remember my supraspinatus ripping at the 6th rep of the 3rd set and thinking " that's gonna put me back 6 months". It's been almost 12 months now and my shoulder still feels like shit.
Never will I do those presses again.
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I have bad shoulders and I bench pressed. But it wasnt bench pressing that initially aggrovated them. It was overhead pressing with a wide grip using a barbell.
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yh
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I have bad shoulders and I bench pressed. But it wasnt bench pressing that initially aggrovated them. It was overhead pressing with a wide grip using a barbell.
My shoulders were sore for months and it really set me back in terms of progress....I had my daughter massage them two nights in a row and now they feel so much better....but before I used to go to the gym and just go heavy right away without warming up..now I MUST warm up.....I initially hurt my left shoulder by going heavy on a shoulder press after I had taken a long layoff...wanted to see if I still had my strength...as I was lifting on the shoulder press machine (with the pin on the last bar) I was straining and heard something go "crack" in my shoulder and felt a twinge.....after that my shoulder was so bad I could not even lift 100 pounds without warming up first......from that moment on I vowed never to let my ego get the best of me....
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you can't do them everyweek, especially once your strength is up their because injuries start occuring more frequently.
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you can't do them everyweek, especially once your strength is up their because injuries start occuring more frequently.
I agree. It's good for an 8 week cycle, then do something else.
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I love flat bench! And after 10 years it finally caught up with me and my shoulder REALLY started hurting, avoided the movement for like 3 months as well as any heavy chest training and its starting to get better!
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I do only incline bench press, haven done flat bench in years.
I hate flat bench press only because my head turns tomatoe red.
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Once hurt my rotator.
Since then I train them at least 3x a week.
Flat bench is my fav - watch your technique.
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Wait till you tear both Rotator Cuff's. ;)
That is when the real fun comes in. 8)
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Alternate between db and bb every few weeks.
What's the fuckin problem here?
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Wait till you tear both Rotator Cuff's. ;)
That is when the real fun comes in. 8)
one of my rotators has been bothering me alot lately. it has progressively been hurting more and more so i don't think it's a tear.
what's the best way to rehabilitate a rotator?
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Alternate between db and bb every few weeks.
What's the fuckin problem here?
This is Getbig and common sense will never prevail. 8)
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Just buy a new set of rotators.
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Just buy a new set of rotators.
thanks!
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How many of you guys here that have bench pressed and overhead pressed for a few years can say with a straight face that your shoulders feel fine?
I have officially quit these exercises, they suck ass. :'(
Are you benching wide? meaning are your elbows wide.
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thanks!
;D ;D
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I fucked up my shoulders 20 years ago from benching and behind the neck presses. Didn't tear my cuffs, but I get pain and intramuscular adhesions (scar tissue) that limits me greatly. I get deep tissue now that my insurance covers it. It's helped somewhat so far.
I have used dumbells exclusively for years, and only do inclines. My shoulder issues have definitely limited me as far as development is concerned. If I could just train pain free, I would be satisfied and grateful!
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one of my rotators has been bothering me alot lately. it has progressively been hurting more and more so i don't think it's a tear.
what's the best way to rehabilitate a rotator?
Get it checked before it becomes a tear. ;)
Ok....Take time off and go see your Dr. ;)
Not that hard, brah. You can put ice on your shoulders if ya want, but if it hurts, use ya head. :D
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I love flat bench! And after 10 years it finally caught up with me and my shoulder REALLY started hurting, avoided the movement for like 3 months as well as any heavy chest training and its starting to get better!
this..
Im built for benching .. done it for years .. but after a while it catches up with you.
so i do more dumbell work now..and incline barbell (which i hate)
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Get it checked before it becomes a tear. ;)
Ok....Take time off and go see your Dr. ;)
Not that hard, brah. You can put ice on your shoulders if ya want, but if it hurts, use ya head. :D
yeah but if i go to a doctor and it's not torn he will prolly just tell me i need rehab. which i can do myself anyways.
will go and get it checked anyways.
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well my shoulders are fragile as glass... im seriously thinking of stopping all over head pressing, and i wouldnt dream of doing flat benches, i wouldnt even do flat d/b presses these days
ive got to keep on top of rotar exersizes and all the scap stretches and presses or im fucked, coming off gear worsens these problems x10 too
some people are built to press heavy weight and some arent, after 5+ years of training youl know which group you belong in, if you ignore the signs youl pay the price
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There are no exercises to speed up the healing of an injured cuff. Just time.
There are exercises to prevent it from happening (again). Internal and external rotation. Google many good site.
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There are no exercises to speed up the healing of an injured cuff. Just time.
There are exercises to prevent it from happening (again). Internal and external rotation. Google many good site.
should i rest completly or should i do really light training just to get blood in there?
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The goal of too many young guys who start training is to bench big numbers.
There`s nothing wrong with this but when you go heavy all the time for years and try max singles a lot or always as some idiots do,then that`s where trouble begins.
Truthfully,most guyswhose goal is to bench 315,365,or 405 etc. etc.,more than likely never will and more than likely will develop shoulder problems for their efforts.
Leave the ego at the door and train your pecs!!
Heavy is relative.......what`s heavy for 5-6 or 8-12 reps for you is still heavy, though it may not be 495 or 550.
Thank me later.
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I can honestly say that I've been fortunate and never had shoulder issues. Done pressing movements consistently for over 20yrs
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me2 i feel blessed i havent had problems with delts yet. i hear so many people complain
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should i rest completly or should i do really light training just to get blood in there?
Training with extreme light weight will give you some pain relieve for a short time, and you get at least a little exercise. But the injury will not heal quicker. You could do a course of ibuprofen or diclofenac for a day or ten at maximum dose. Don't overdose. The medication is only useful in the early stage. An injection with corts does more harm than good.
If you can stand laying down on the injured shoulder you can start doing a bit more.
If you rip it again you can put your workout stuff on ebay.
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me2 i feel blessed i havent had problems with delts yet. i hear so many people complain
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Imagine benching these. :D
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wow your mom is hot :o :o
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Imagine benching these. :D
Internal rotations are a good move in this case...use some power reps as well and finish with The Joe Weider Anal Priciple.
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I hate flat bench press
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I used to train on bench press machine, and on the flat bench press setting, my right shoulder would hurt --a weird feeling, and it made me pissed as well...
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I used to train on bench press machine, and on the flat bench press setting, my right shoulder would hurt --a weird feeling, and it made me pissed as well...
That's the fucking thing. It pisses you off and you just hit it to hard. Kinda like girls.
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Training with extreme light weight will give you some pain relieve for a short time, and you get at least a little exercise. But the injury will not heal quicker. You could do a course of ibuprofen or diclofenac for a day or ten at maximum dose. Don't overdose. The medication is only useful in the early stage. An injection with corts does more harm than good.
If you can stand laying down on the injured shoulder you can start doing a bit more.
If you rip it again you can put your workout stuff on ebay.
alright. i will try do some really light rotational work just for getting blood there. hope it will heal faster that way.
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That's the fucking thing. It pisses you off and you just hit it to hard. Kinda like girls.
It felt like it was being "over torqued", and taking more stress or torque than the left shoulder. So it has to be body mechanics...
Also when I do lateral or front raises (more front than lateral), I hear a slight clicking sound, usually it's a heavier weight.
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haha weird pic
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Are you benching wide? meaning are your elbows wide.
yep
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I do only incline bench press, haven done fat year
FIXED
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well my shoulders are fragile as glass... im seriously thinking of stopping all over head pressing, and i wouldnt dream of doing flat benches, i wouldnt even do flat d/b presses these days
ive got to keep on top of rotar exersizes and all the scap stretches and presses or im fucked, coming off gear worsens these problems x10 too
some people are built to press heavy weight and some arent, after 5+ years of training youl know which group you belong in, if you ignore the signs youl pay the price
I read this in another thread.. stop pressin and do the lateral raises that you said in another thread.
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I hurt my shoulders, first overhead db pressing then on bench. But it's cause I was doing these exercises wrong (didn't understand how to set my back up, didn't pay attention to how i was feeling).
If you set up right and know how to execute the movement, I don't see why you must necessarily injure yourself at some point. Maybe I just have more to learn?
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I think this is more an individual thing, I can bench and overhead till the cows come home, but dips destroy me in short order. The past few years I've given way more of my time over to inclines and various overhead work and my shoulders have never felt better. Also as Wes said, was to Warm up and slowly move to the bigger numbers, I hate it, cause it makes me feel old, but I've taken to a couple of more warm up set and more progressively moving the weight up.
Also, find one grip range and stay in it for the majority of your work, none of this changing all the time stuff. The best advice I ever heard on figuring out grip was from Bill Seno, a Word class powerlifter from the 60's, who said to just do a set of push ups and look at your hands, that spacing should be your benching grip.
On Rotator Cuff work, here's a .pdf to the best book on the subject - http://www.irongarmx.net/Articles/7_minute_rotator_cuff_solution.pdf . It's good stuff.
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I used to train on bench press machine, and on the flat bench press setting, my right shoulder would hurt --a weird feeling, and it made me pissed as well...
Actually I rarely ever used any chest pressing machines, they would bother my shoulders. I never liked being locked in to planes of motion.
Free weights ftw
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My shoulders are great! never had problem with them, but my wrists hurts when I bench press. :-\
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It felt like it was being "over torqued", and taking more stress or torque than the left shoulder. So it has to be body mechanics...
Also when I do lateral or front raises (more front than lateral), I hear a slight clicking sound, usually it's a heavier weight.
I get that sound as well....never know whether to stop or keep going
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If you set up right and know how to execute the movement, I don't see why you must necessarily injure yourself at some point. Maybe I just have more to learn?
If you lift long enough, you will get injured, the trick is not to let it become chronic, rather just a little bump in the road.
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yo
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My number one shoulder exercise now is heavy wide upright rows. I know it's considered dangerous as well, but I never had problems with it, even with a injured cuff. Guess it's individual.
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no shoulder problems but for a while when I was doing alot of pressing movements my elbows hurt like mad. Really sensitive all the time even to the smallest knock. Cut the pressing right back and no pain atall now.
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no shoulder problems but for a while when I was doing alot of pressing movements my elbows hurt like mad. Really sensitive all the time even to the smallest knock. Cut the pressing right back and no pain atall now.
elbow supports for your heavy sets help alot with elbow issues, mine flare up from time to time with work and through training..
altho ditching skullcrushers and over head extension helps even more
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My number one shoulder exercise now is heavy wide upright rows. I know it's considered dangerous as well, but I never had problems with it, even with a injured cuff. Guess it's individual.
Thats the worst thing you can do for your delts, but if it works for you, then its ok..
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I think this is more an individual thing, I can bench and overhead till the cows come home, but dips destroy me in short order. The past few years I've given way more of my time over to inclines and various overhead work and my shoulders have never felt better. Also as Wes said, was to Warm up and slowly move to the bigger numbers, I hate it, cause it makes me feel old, but I've taken to a couple of more warm up set and more progressively moving the weight up.
Also, find one grip range and stay in it for the majority of your work, none of this changing all the time stuff. The best advice I ever heard on figuring out grip was from Bill Seno, a Word class powerlifter from the 60's, who said to just do a set of push ups and look at your hands, that spacing should be your benching grip.
On Rotator Cuff work, here's a .pdf to the best book on the subject - http://www.irongarmx.net/Articles/7_minute_rotator_cuff_solution.pdf . It's good stuff.
Great book.
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Thats the worst thing you can do for your delts, but if it works for you, then its ok..
exactly, i believe thats the most dangerous excersize for shoulders
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I get that sound as well....never know whether to stop or keep going
i get the same click in my bad shoulder. probably the rotator cuff not holding it together.
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I can overhead press close to 300lbs and bench about 400.
My shoulders feel perfectly fine. On bench press I always retract my shoulder plates to protect them.
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goud i think ur shoulders are stronger than your pecs
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Def lol
I press 120lb DB's for sets of 10 now for shoulder press.
Bench press I am doing 3x9 with 320lbs
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i get the same click in my bad shoulder. probably the rotator cuff not holding it together.
I've had that click in my shoulders for as far back as I can remember. I work my rotator cuff religiously and still have the click in both shoulders. Thankfully I don't have shoulder pain. Doesn't seem to affect my lifts either.
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but i hate bp basically because i suck bad at it
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In a lot of cases is the click not calcium deposits?
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In a lot of cases is the click not calcium deposits?
Don't know exactly - in my case the shoulder that clicks is the one that's less stable.
As long as there's no accompanying pain one should be save... as with clicking knees.
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I have had a clicking shoulder before. Never any pain with it. Just goes away. Did not notice it come on or disappear only now I think back.
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Def lol
I press 120lb DB's for sets of 10 now for shoulder press.
Bench press I am doing 3x9 with 320lbs
opposite for me my chest is stronger....
i still move good weight for delts but my chest is a lot stronger
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My shoulders and triceps are very strong and look very strong.
My chest is lacking and thats where I fail on the bench press.
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locking out on bench hits tris and front delts more the only time i lock is when im maxing for 1 to 3 reps because i have to lock out
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and my chest is very well developed ,... try it
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elbow supports for your heavy sets help alot with elbow issues, mine flare up from time to time with work and through training..
altho ditching skullcrushers and over head extension helps even more
I had elbow issues as well..flares up periodically and are a bitch to work through....I hate that there is nothing you can do except wait for the pain to stop on its own
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I think most of us have a small problem now and again. I had problems with my right shoulder...for 3 months i could not press at all..i had a few injections from the Doc and it has got better... i had a bit of Bursitis and over stressed the shoulder structure..should know better with 44... ;D
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1. If your shoulder hurts, get away fron anything straight bar.
2. When you bench, avoid using a wide grip with elbow wide.
3. Take a narrower grip, with the elbows slightly internally rotated and bring the bar to the sternum instead to or above the nipple line. Save you shoulders.
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I thought everybody had that clicking in their shoulders at one time or another.......Goudy`s lifts are like he`s from another planet! :)
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my left shoulder makes a shitload of cracks
i blame the constant behind the neck presses for shoulders and behind neck pulldowns for 3 yrs straight !
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but i hate bp basically because i suck bad at it
This is the truth to why a lot of people hate it. At least you're honest. Not everyone's built for it, but it's not a bad exercise as long as it is done correctly.
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This is the truth to why a lot of people hate it. At least you're honest. Not everyone's built for it, but it's not a bad exercise as long as it is done correctly.
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Decline benches are kinder to your shoulders.
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Declines suck.
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yeh for you..
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Decline benches are kinder to your shoulders.
Truth. And you don't have to use that steeply declined bench that most gyms have. Slide a 25 lb plate under the front of the flat bench, very slight decline.
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Been doing them for years and no problems.
....I just make sure I stretch good before.
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Made the switch from bar to DBs years ago. I think that saved me a lot of wear and tear, and has allowed me to continue to lift. No direct shoulder work, tho.
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