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STYLES MAKE FIGHTS
BOTH THESE MEN LIKE TO BRAWL
PACQUIAO'S GREATEST TEST TO DATE
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Inside their lives. Outside the ring. SHOWTIME SPORTS presents FIGHT CAMP 360°: PACQUIAO VS. MOSLEY. This four-part documentary series gives fans unprecedented access to the lives of boxing superstars Manny Pacquiao and "Sugar" Shane Mosley as they prepare for their World Welterweight Championship matchup. Go beyond the gym and behind the scenes for a ringside seat into the deals, disputes and drama leading up to the biggest boxing event of the year.
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Manny Pacquiao is being called the greatest boxer since Muhammad Ali
Notable wins/loses:
Shane Mosley is considered one of the best welterweights of the past 20 years
Notable wins/loses:
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Manny Pacquiao's interview with 60 Minutes
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I can't wait for this one......I love both fighters.....I give the edge to Manny....But Shane will bring the audience to the edge of their seats!!!
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All big Las Vegas fights are fun. If you get a chance, please try and attend one.
If I were a betting man, I might place a dollar or two on Manny.
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Why dont they be REAL men,m get in a cage and roll round with their legs wrapped rounf each other?
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All big Las Vegas fights are fun. If you get a chance, please try and attend one.
If I were a betting man, I might place a dollar or two on Manny.
this is one of those fights that no one really wants to see but the boxing marketing machine will push anyway.
Shane looking for 1 last big pay day
Paq just trying not lose and mess up his big pay day with Floyd.
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Pac will whip his ass.
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Pacman will KO his ass in 5
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Mosley is done,shot and finished!His trainer know it,his camp know it,but nobody will tell him because the show must go on and there is a lot money to be made.
In my opinion he lost his last fight with Sergio Mora and Mora is B level fighter.
Against Mayweather Shane lost every rounds beside the second when he hit Floyd with two overhead punches.Shane was lucky that Floyd does not have much power in his punch and was just was looking to score a 12 rounds victory instead of KO with him.
The reality is that Shane is done since long time,his footwork is garbage now.Do you remember his fight with Mayorga? Mosley vs Mayorga was a close fight until an out of shape Mayorga gassed out at the end of fight and Shane KO him.
Shane victory with Margarito was mislading because Margarito had to lose 50 pounds in 8 weeks leading to the fight.Rumor was that Margarito after the victory with Cotto balloned to close to 200 pounds.The dramatic weight loss and fact that Margarito knew before to step in the ring that he would be suspended and possibly radiate from competitive boxing because he was cougth with illegal wrapping by the officials minutes before the bouts allowed Shane easy KO Margarito. In that fight Margarito was shadow of himself,he was spent physically and mentally!
This will be the easiest fight for Pacquiao since Hatton,MANNY WILL KO MOSLEY INSIDE 6 ROUNDS, maybe less if Mosley corner trow the towel.
Shane should have retired already long time ago, keeping fighting fighter like Pacquiao at 40 years old could leave Mosley with serious brain damage!
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Mosley is done,shot and finished!His trainer know it,his camp know it,but nobody will tell him because the show must go on and there is a lot money to be made.
In my opinion he lost his last fight with Sergio Mora and Mora is B level fighter.
Against Mayweather Shane lost every rounds beside the second when he hit Floyd with two overhead punches.Shane was lucky that Floyd does not have much power in his punch and was just was looking to score a 12 rounds victory instead of KO with him.
The reality is that Shane is done since long time,his footwork is garbage now.Do you remember his fight with Mayorga? Mosley vs Mayorga was a close fight until an out of shape Mayorga gassed out at the end of fight and Shane KO him.
Shane victory with Margarito was mislading because Margarito had to lose 50 pounds in 8 weeks leading to the fight.Rumor was that Margarito after the victory with Cotto balloned to close to 200 pounds.The dramatic weight loss and fact that Margarito knew before to step in the ring that he would be suspended and possibly radiate from competitive boxing because he was cougth with illegal wrapping by the officials minutes before the bouts allowed Shane easy KO Margarito. In that fight Margarito was shadow of himself,he was spent physically and mentally!
This will be the easiest fight for Pacquiao since Hatton,MANNY WILL KO MOSLEY INSIDE 6 ROUNDS, maybe less if Mosley corner trow the towel.
Shane should have retired already long time ago, keeping fighting fighter like Pacquiao at 40 years old could leave Mosley with serious brain damage!
Excuses. Shane would have beaten Margarito any day of the week past and present. Let's be realistic. His style was all wrong vs shane.
And if what you say is true about marg being 200 pre (which I highly doubt since I've never heard of that at all) that is not shane's fault.
Fact is shane is in over his head looking to get paid and has a punchers chance in his back pocket and that's about it. Sure he's bigger, stronger and has nice hand speed still and chin , but he's old. He'll be there for Manny to find. As soon as shane unleashes a bomb upside manny's big head and manny just bangs his gloves together and bangs his hips saying bring it......this fight is over and might get stopped late possibly if manny mashes the gas going for the ko.
Don't waste your $$$.
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Shane only has a punchers chance. Manny's punch out put and conditioning will be way to much for a 40 year old Mosley. This isn't a mega fight at all. At 40 Mosley is really putting his health on the line here. This Filipino hurts people. My bet is if Manny wins he'll retire.
mosley is shot, which roach, arum, and all the thieves of boxing know, but the ppv fools think this is a REAL bout. this is the 3rd fighter pac has fought that fmw already exposed.
mosley has a big right hand chance in this fight because pac has no clue how to fight defensive. see round 2.
no way pac is the best fighter beating guys after fmw already fought them.
pac will fight bradley next to prove he can fight a young black fighter since bradley has to come up and has a non-punchers chance vs berto who is raw but would throw bombs and upper cuts on pac in which something meaningful would land big time, and roach and arum aint having that happen to their 40% cut of the purse meal ticket. '
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It's been all downhill for Mosley these past few years. He's done, finished, kaputt. Pacquiao will entertain the crowd for 4-5 rounds then finish it. Mosley was fantastic at his peak but he's way too old now.
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mosley is shot, which roach, arum, and all the thieves of boxing know, but the ppv fools think this is a REAL bout. this is the 3rd fighter pac has fought that fmw already exposed.
mosley has a big right hand chance in this fight because pac has no clue how to fight defensive. see round 2.
no way pac is the best fighter beating guys after fmw already fought them.
pac will fight bradley next to prove he can fight a young black fighter since bradley has to come up and has a non-punchers chance vs berto who is raw but would throw bombs and upper cuts on pac in which something meaningful would land big time, and roach and arum aint having that happen to their 40% cut of the purse meal ticket. '
Berto seems like he is a rugged counter puncher away from getting KTFO imo. His youth, speed ..etc is covering a TON of holes in his game I feel.
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Berto seems like he is a rugged counter puncher away from getting KTFO imo. His youth, speed ..etc is covering a TON of holes in his game I feel.
i said he was raw...but pac plays a defenseless boxing game. styles make fights. berto would land some meaningful stuff vs pac, real meaningful, which would top anything marquez put on pac at lighter weights. dont worry that fight wont happen unless berto loses back-back fights and goes on crack.
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Excuses. Shane would have beaten Margarito any day of the week past and present. Let's be realistic. His style was all wrong vs shane.
And if what you say is true about marg being 200 pre (which I highly doubt since I've never heard of that at all) that is not shane's fault.
Fact is shane is in over his head looking to get paid and has a punchers chance in his back pocket and that's about it. Sure he's bigger, stronger and has nice hand speed still and chin , but he's old. He'll be there for Manny to find. As soon as shane unleashes a bomb upside manny's big head and manny just bangs his gloves together and bangs his hips saying bring it......this fight is over and might get stopped late possibly if manny mashes the gas going for the ko.
Don't waste your $$$.
Dream on my friend! Manny will fight Mosley in the exact way he fought De La Hoya ,he will move around and making impossible for Shane to punch him . Manny will punch to oblivion Shane until the fight will be stopped or Shane will be KO .Shane wont be able to hit Manny like it was not able to hit him Oscar,and Oscar was better boxer and more intelligent than Shane ever was.Dont tell me that Shane won twice with Oscar because he clearly lost the second fight and was stolen to Oscar the same way was stolen against Trinidad!Oscar should won both fights ( the second with Mosley and the one with Trinidad with 3 point margin)Watch the fight if you do not believe me ,they are on youtube. And I am not a Oscar fan!
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i said he was raw...but pac plays a defenseless boxing game. styles make fights. berto would land some meaningful stuff vs pac, real meaningful, which would top anything marquez put on pac at lighter weights. dont worry that fight wont happen unless berto loses back-back fights and goes on crack.
lol
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Dream on my friend! Manny will fight Mosley in the exact way he fought De La Hoya ,he will move around and making impossible for Shane to punch him . Manny will will punch to oblivion Shane until the fight will be stopped or Shane will be KO .Shane wont be able to hit Manny like it was not able to hit him Oscar,and Oscar was better boxer and more intelligent than Shane ever was.Dont tell me that Shane won twice with Oscar because he clearly lost the second fight and was stolen to Oscar the same way was stolen against Trinidad!Oscar should won both fights ( the second with Mosley and the one with Trinidad with 3 point margin)Watch the fight if you do not believe me ,they are on youtube. And I am not a Oscar fan!
blind oscar lover right here. you must be mexican.
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Dream on my friend! Manny will fight Mosley in the exact way he fought De La Hoya ,he will move around and making impossible for Shane to punch him . Manny will will punch to oblivion Shane until the fight will be stopped or Shane will be KO .Shane wont be able to hit Manny like it was not able to hit him Oscar,and Oscar was better boxer and more intelligent than Shane ever was.Dont tell me that Shane won twice with Oscar because he clearly lost the second fight and was stolen to Oscar the same way was stolen against Trinidad!Oscar should won both fights ( the second with Mosley and the one with Trinidad with 3 point margin)Watch the fight if you do not believe me ,they are on youtube. And I am not a Oscar fan!
Obviously you don't read. I have shane losing this fight aswell.
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Obviously you don't read. I have shane losing this fight aswell.
I have read what you said but I am telling you that Manny will not brawl with Shane. He will move in and out and hit mosley with blistering speed!
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blind oscar lover right here. you must be mexican.
No my friend I am not mexican and not mexican-american and as matter of fact I am not even Oscar fan!
Please watch both fights(the second with Shane and the Trinidad) and came back and tell me that Oscar did not win both fight with 3 points margin!
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Manny will have him figured out by round 2. Then look for Brother Nazim to stop the fight. He's already got the towel in his hand.
I agree 100%!
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Manny will have him figured out by round 2. Then look for Brother Nazim to stop the fight. He's already got the towel in his hand.
what kind of nonsense is this? fmw had him figured out before they stepped in the ring. before shane was known as toasted, roach was on youtube saying, shane was too big, would balloon to 160 by the bell. that went out the door when they fought a bigger marg at 5'11" but said sergio at 5'9" at the same catch weight was too big ::). BS cherry picking! oscar, hatton and shane were already exposed by fmw. yep...that makes pac best lb for lb king. they knew clottie would blood clot. i give them some credit for a shot cotto but he fights head first so that fight was a bit made since they saw him get dismantle by iron fist.
Sergio Martinez - this guy is well within manny's range given he is slimmer than shane and much smaller than marg, would dismantle manny within 2-3 rounds.
Judah - He is actually fighting well again at super light, never had the size to be a true 147. Has his confidence back and still has crazy hand speed. Roach wont even fuck with this fight at 144 because you cant gauge can manny get a punch off faster than judah which fmw had major problems doing until judah had one of his breakdowns in the ring. ::)
Berto - He is too young and crazy, by mistake slips something thru on manny and manny will have to fight his ass off to get berto off of him. watch berto when he gets a guy in trouble.
paul williams - yeah, he is just too big, but isnt a puncher, a work horse. he'd probably wear manny down with this size since manny cant produce the 160 punch that sergio can.
bradley - young, ok speed but no real power to hurt manny who will clock him throughout the fight. safe fight for arum's bank acct.
marquez - who the fuck wants to see him and pac again outside of mexicans? manny has outgrown him. plus fmw exposed him too at 144 or better.
fmw - they will fight fmw because of the payday. even if manny lost which he will be counter punch the fuck out the stadium or fmw will pull another number like he did on mosley and fight coming forward against manny who has no clue of a defensive fight.
Bradley is the easy money and safe fight for arum. this is about arum now, manny matters to arum's bank acct.
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lol @ blacks trying to take Manny down a notch...meanwhiles... Floyd is straight up acting like a bitch...what is it ..two or three years he has been ducking pacman ????
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It was only a couple years ago that Shane beat Margarito and gave Cotto all he could handle.
Don't count Shane out. He didn't look good against Mayweather because he's very technical.
Pacman is much like Mosley in that they both like to stand and trade. Mosley is still quicker than Margarito and Cotto.
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lol @ blacks trying to take Manny down a notch...meanwhiles... Floyd is straight up acting like a bitch...what is it ..two or three years he has been ducking pacman ????
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Sergio is the best in the game now. As i remember in BA...there were no blacks. well...that's what the natives say.
fmw = fuck arum. that's why you cant get a fight. fmw hasnt taken an arum fight in over 10 yrs. that should tell you something.
manny, the best lb4lb ::)
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I want a getbig decription of going to one of these vegas fights and the partying after. Something along the lines of the mexico trip thread.
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Sergio is the best in the game now. As i remember in BA...there were no blacks. well...that's what the natives say.
fmw = fuck arum. that's why you cant get a fight. fmw hasnt taken an arum fight in over 10 yrs. that should tell you something.
manny, the best lb4lb ::)
MAYWEATHER IS A COWARD!This is the reason why he does not want to fight Pacquiao or anybody elsethat has a chance to beat him,Arum is just an excuse for him like was in the past ,so he does not have to fight Pacquiao now or Margarito and Cotto when they were at the top of their game years ago when he went in retirement fo the fiirst time!
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One more thing regarding Mayweather! He claim to be the best ever supposely because he never lost (when in reality he clearly lost his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo, by 3 points,but they gave to Floyd:the fight is on youtube for all of you to watch)
So the best ever should be considered Joe Calzaghe?
I dont think so!
Once he lose for the first time all this mistique about Floyd been the greatest ever will be over and he will be remembered like an ordinary champion with great skill and very little balls!
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One more thing regarding Mayweather! He claim to be the best ever supposely because he never lost (when in reality he clearly lost his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo, by 3 points,but they gave to Floyd:the fight is on youtube for all of you to watch)
So the best ever should be considered Joe Calzaghe?
I dont think so!
Once he lose for the first time all this mistique about Floyd been the greatest ever will be over and he will be remembered like an ordinary champion with great skill and very little balls!
He's not the greatest fighter ever but IMHO he's the best technical boxer ever.
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MAYWEATHER IS A COWARD!This is the reason why he does not want to fight Pacquiao or anybody elsethat has a chance to beat him,Arum is just an excuse for him like was in the past ,so he does not have to fight Pacquiao now or Margarito and Cotto when they were at the top of their game years ago when he went in retirement fo the fiirst time!
why fight marg because he can take 50 shots to the head per round? punch drunk mexican by 40.
cotto is shot.
i said fmw should meet sergio martinez at 154. that's the REAL fight.
he will counter-punch the fuck out of manny whose arms are too short to do anything when fmw rolls and counters. paul williams or sergio vs fmw is a different story.
arum will pitch pac vs fmw for his cut of 40%.
why would fmw be afraid of pac when there are monsters out there like sergio and williams who would give him fits?
keep believing the pac press machine.
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One more thing regarding Mayweather! He claim to be the best ever supposely because he never lost (when in reality he clearly lost his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo, by 3 points,but they gave to Floyd:the fight is on youtube for all of you to watch)
So the best ever should be considered Joe Calzaghe?
I dont think so!
Once he lose for the first time all this mistique about Floyd been the greatest ever will be over and he will be remembered like an ordinary champion with great skill and very little balls!
best ever FMW ::)
hearns would have caught him with a big right. then we could have seen which shoulder he rolled to on the canvas first.
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i think all of y'all are forgetting that they are both juicing. which means mosley still has a good chance.
with that being said its all about how mosley goes about his strategy. if he uses his jab its going to be a long night for manny.
but if he wants to brawl with manny like most people think then its comes down to if mosley still has the desire because in manny fights with clottey and magarito they just stood there like a punching bag. when in reality clottey and magarito should of steam rolled him based of size, power and chin.
for eg. when magarito landed his only combo to the body he broke mannys ribs and then went back to becoming a punching bag
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Episode 2 Fight Camp 360 Pacquiao Vs. Mosley
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got to agree with mosley being shot,,,, imo he never ecoverd from his 1st losses to that big tall fucker that i cant seem to recall his name,,,
i dont get the pac man hate tho, he a pure fighter who can box, little terrier who ive never seen in a boring fight, still cant believe zab judahs name keeps being mentioned along side him, as if roach or manny would loose sleep over cry baby judah
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Shittin me right.. Manny in 3.. TKO
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STYLES MAKE FIGHTS
BOTH THESE MEN LIKE TO BRAWL
PACQUIAO'S GREATEST TEST TO DATE
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Inside their lives. Outside the ring. SHOWTIME SPORTS presents FIGHT CAMP 360°: PACQUIAO VS. MOSLEY. This four-part documentary series gives fans unprecedented access to the lives of boxing superstars Manny Pacquiao and "Sugar" Shane Mosley as they prepare for their World Welterweight Championship matchup. Go beyond the gym and behind the scenes for a ringside seat into the deals, disputes and drama leading up to the biggest boxing event of the year.
I don't think it's Pacquiao's greatest test to date....he will dominate, just like Floyd did.
His greatest test to date was the Marquez fights....if he doesn't get Floyd after Shane, I'd like to see another Marquez fight.
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manny will pepper shane. i'm not sure of a knockout because he'd have to sit on his punches and give shane at least one clean right to test his chin but shane is too gone to even finish him if he got lucky. shane wins no more than 1 rd, and it probably goes 12 rd. roach wont let him exchange with mosley. he'll go in and out the whole fight.
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Until Manny looses. No way Mayweather is gonna fight him. It's not that he doesn't want to fight Manny. Mayweather doesn't want to fight anyone. He wants to be a celebrity and not do the work. He wants to be viewed like Jordan, Jeter, and Tiger. But these guys proved they were the best. Mayweather is only a good looking guy that has promoted himself correctly. But the thing here is. Hollywood didn't work for him. He has a flash lifestyle and a whole bunch of children. Eventually he's gonna have to fight. Thats how he earns his money. And eventually he's going to loose. Then he's gonna end up just like Evander and Roy Jones Jr.. Guaranteed.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. may as well end up just like is father : a punch drunk ex-boxer with slurred speach!
In the meantime enjoy the beat down of Sugar Leonard to Mayweather Sr: 8)
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. may as well end up just like is father : a punch drunk ex-boxer with slurred speach!
In the meantime enjoy the beat down of Sugar Leonard to Mayweather Sr: 8)
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Circa 5:10, fast hands right there. You need the heart of a champion (great cardio skills) to do this at that point (10th round). Even though Macquiao or Mayweather aregreat athletes, they're nowhere near as good as that generatin (Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler) was.
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got to agree with mosley being shot,,,, imo he never ecoverd from his 1st losses to that big tall fucker that i cant seem to recall his name,,,
Vernon Forrest...who is dead from a car robbery
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Circa 5:10, fast hands right there. You need the heart of a champion (great cardio skills) to do this at that point (10th round). Even though Macquiao or Mayweather aregreat athletes, they're nowhere near as good as that generatin (Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler) was.
I agree 100% with you!
Duran,Leonard,Hearns and Hagler were samething special!
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Enjoy the episode 3 of Fight Camp 360: Pacquiao vs Mosley! :)
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I'll be ringside and in the ring for the post fight interview(s) that night. Watch the PPV and critique my fashion.
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Enjoy the episode 3 of Fight Camp 360: Pacquiao vs Mosley! :)
Hell yeah that was a great episode. Thanks for posting!
I'll be ringside and in the ring for the post fight interview(s) that night. Watch the PPV and critique my fashion.
Damn you're lucky. This fight is GUARENTEED TO BE INCREDIBLY EXCITING!
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That girl is built for pleasure.
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Final Episode!
Fight is TODAY!!!
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MANNY WILL WIN EASILY.
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Where is Swede?
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Where is Swede?
where is sweeeeede, for REAL!
maby some persian muslim guy who claims to be spanish (even though sand people look nothing like spanish) in the clubs snipered him.... ;D
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if he has any chance in this fight, he'll have to give up the 1st 6rds, crowd pac and lay on him on the ropes, use his size as an advantage, just punch to the body and arms. he wont win on points so giving up the 1st couple rounds and a point deduction for clinching and elbows are irrelevant vs wearing down a smaller man, and finding his chin late in the fight . brother naz is a fool if he lets shane fight pac the 1st 6 rds. and pac is not going to stand in front of him like fmw did, so he wont slip a right in there.
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The problem with Manny is that he is a true lightweight. Going up to welterweight he loses endurance and his power might not be up to the best in the welterweight division.
How many fighters are great in their weight class and then for bigger pay days they go up a class or two? Many times they lose what made them so good.
Imagine being at your fastest weight for a 5K and then gaining 10 pounds for a new weight class trying to have the same conditioning. It can be done but Manny has a small frame. Shane is a natural for the weight class.
I think Manny will win but don't be suprised if Shane knocks him out.
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He's not the greatest fighter ever but IMHO he's the best technical boxer ever.
What's that code for? Someone who takes zero risks while fighting?
Is he technically as good as Robinson, Pep, Whitaker? Guys that actually fought with balls.
And yes this is a joke fight, Mosley is done at the elite level.
Mayweather and Pacs career management is a disgrace.
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What's that code for? Someone who takes zero risks while fighting?
Is he technically as good as Robinson, Pep, Whitaker? Guys that actually fought with balls.
And yes this is a joke fight, Mosley is done at the elite level.
Mayweather and Pacs career management is a disgrace.
i hate to agree with you on anything, but your 100% correct there
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i hate to agree with you on anything, but your 100% correct there
No hard feelings. ;)
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Someone who takes zero risks while fighting?
Is he technically as good as Robinson, Pep, Whitaker? Guys that actually fought with balls.
He wins fights without taking risks , what's that tell you?
You may not like his style but Yes, technically he's superior to Robinson ,Pep and Whitaker ......
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He wins fights without taking risks , what's that tell you?
You may not like his style but Yes, technically he's superior to Robinson ,Pep and Whitaker ......
No way man. He is straight up textbook with most of his ouput, It's rarer to improvise and mixing attack and defense creates opportunity's for your opponents. Some of the shit that Pep and Pea used to do would be impossible for Floyd to replicate.
Robinson would dominate him at welter, Pea would win too although it wasn't his best weight.
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god damn..
sweet suprise for Mosley
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Is he technically as good as Robinson, Pep, Whitaker? Guys that actually fought with balls.
Mayweather and Pacs career management is a disgrace.
Wrong styles. FMW would out point Whitaker in a sleeper. Robinson more of a slugger but a bit hand slow like Cotto. Pep?
at 147 FMW's defense and style is ass backwards for Hearns who would measure him on the ropes and end it somewhere after the 6th.
Ray Leonard, too slick, too much offense, too much chin, would clean the house with him like he did with his dad.
Whit had alot of Camacho and Prince Nas in him. FMW too technical for this type of BS.
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Wrong styles. FMW would out point Whitaker in a sleeper. Robinson more of a slugger but a bit hand slow like Cotto. Pep?
at 147 FMW's defense and style is ass backwards for Hearns who would measure him on the ropes and end it somewhere after the 6th.
Ray Leonard, too slick, too much offense, too much chin, would clean the house with him like he did with his dad.
Whit had alot of Camacho and Prince Nas in him. FMW too technical for this type of BS.
ARE YOU FUCKING OUT OF YOUR MIND? ROBINSON HAND SLOW SLUGGER?
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING G-THONG!
ROBINSON WAS ONE OF THE FASTEST IF NOT THE FASTEST BOXER WHO EVER LIVED IN IN THE WELTERWEIGHT AND MIDDLEWEIGHT CLASS BESIDE HAVING A GREAT PUNCHINGPOWER ,GREAT CHIN AND TECNIQUE.
ROBINSON IS THE BEST BOXER OF ALL TIME WHO FOUGHT THE HARDEST OPPONENT.
ROBINSON AT WELTERWEIGHT WOULD KILL MAYWEATHER AND PACQUIAO!
NOBODY CAN TOUCH ROBINSON OR EVEN CAME CLOSE !
ROBINSON IS THE P4P BEST PERIOD!
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CHECK THIS VIDEO G-THONG!
ROBINSON THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!
THE ONLY MAN WHO CAN CAME CLOSE IN POWER DEPARTMENT BUT AT LIGHTWEIGHT WAS ROBERTO DURAN!
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ARE YOU FUCKING OUT OF YOUR MIND? ROBINSON HAND SLOW SLUGGER?
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING G-THONG!
ROBINSON WAS ONE OF THE FASTEST IF NOT THE FASTEST BOXER WHO EVER LIVED IN IN THE WELTERWEIGHT AND MIDDLEWEIGHT CLASS BESIDE HAVING A GREAT PUNCHINGPOWER ,GREAT CHIN AND TECNIQUE.
ROBINSON IS THE BEST BOXER OF ALL TIME WHO FOUGHT THE HARDEST OPPONENT.
ROBINSON AT WELTERWEIGHT WOULD KILL MAYWEATHER AND PACQUIAO!
NOBODY CAN TOUCH ROBINSON OR EVEN CAME CLOSE !
ROBINSON IS THE P4P BEST PERIOD!
robinson would not beat FMW who would out point him.
robinson would have lost to hearns at 147 in a nasty knockout.
magnificent power vs stationery chin first white fighters but you dont get this type of fight vs FMW.
robinson was not as fluid and slick as ray leonard who would give FMW's shoulder first protect my chin with the right style fits.
hating on fmw doesn't take away his technique and craft.
afraid. no, boxer is afraid. fmw is gun-shy with his undefeated record.
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ROBERTO DURAN THE GREATEST LIGHTWEIGHT AND LATIN BOXER OF ALL TIME!
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ROBERTO DURAN THE GREATEST LIGHTWEIGHT AND LATIN BOXER OF ALL TIME!
classless b e a n e r! pushed leonard at the end of the 1st fight. got what he deserved in the 2nd fight and the vicious knockout by hearns who would have put his lights out at 147 early in their careers. probably the best LW ever, so no dispute.
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ROBINSON WOULD MURDER MAYWEATHER AND I REPEAT HE WOULD MURDER MAYWETHER!
IN HIS CAREEAR MAYWEATHER NEVER FOUGHT SO MANY HARD OPPONENT LIKE ROBINSON HAD TOO!
JACKE LA MOTTA ,CARMEN BASILIO,GENE FULLMER,ROCKY GRAZIANO ETC...
ROBINSON WAS A FEARLESS BOXER!
MAYWEATHER IS A COWARD AFRAID TO LOSE!
AND EVEN WITH HIS GREAT SKILL AND TECNIQUE IF FLOYD WAS BORN IN THE SAME ERA AS ROBINSON HE WOULD BE A NOBODY WITH HIS FRAIL HAND! REMEMBER AT THAT TIME BOXER HAD TO FIGHT EVERY MOUNTH WITH A LOT LESS HAND PROTECTION WITHIN THEIR GLOVES!
MAYWEATHER CARREER WOULD HAVE NOT HAVE SURVIVED ONE YEAR BOXING IN THAT ERA!
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ROBINSON WOULD MURDER MAYWEATHER AND I REPEAT HE WOULD MURDER MAYWETHER!
IN HIS CAREEAR MAYWEATHER NEVER FOUGHT SO MANY HARD OPPONENT LIKE ROBINSON HAD TOO!
JACKE LA MOTTA ,CARMEN BASILIO,GENE FULLMER,ROCKY GRAZIANO ETC...
ROBINSON WAS A FEARLESS BOXER!
MAYWEATHER IS A COWARD AFRAID TO LOSE!
AND EVEN WITH HIS GREAT SKILL AND TECNIQUE IF FLOYD WAS BORN IN THE SAME ERA AS ROBINSON HE WOULD BE A NOBODY WITH HIS FRAIL HAND! REMEMBER AT THAT TIME BOXER HAD TO FIGHT EVERY MOUNTH WITH A LOT LESS HAND PROTECTION WITHIN THEIR GLOVES!
MAYWEATHER CARREER WOULD HAVE NOT HAVE SURVIVED ONE YEAR BOXING IN THAT ERA!
again, a fighter who isn't fluid as ray leonard or who doesn't have a clean one shot punch like hearns, fmw can ink out a points win with his style of just bait, clinch, counter and slide. the only reason mostley dropped those big rights on fmw because fmw went out of text to prove something Mosley and stood toe-toe with him.
robinson was great but dropped 19 fights or so, is on the top 10 ever, but fmw would milk out a win, 6-5-1 rounds.
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Wrong styles. FMW would out point Whitaker in a sleeper. Robinson more of a slugger but a bit hand slow like Cotto. Pep?
at 147 FMW's defense and style is ass backwards for Hearns who would measure him on the ropes and end it somewhere after the 6th.
Ray Leonard, too slick, too much offense, too much chin, would clean the house with him like he did with his dad.
Whit had alot of Camacho and Prince Nas in him. FMW too technical for this type of BS.
I think the opposite, i think Pea does most things as well as Floyd but is naturally more gifted and unorthodox. I think he outpoints him.The only thing he has in common with Naz is being unorthodox, Naz had shit defence and relied on his power way too much, Camacho and Whitaker have similarity's.
Robinson has way too much of everything, power, combinations, movement at welter for Floyd. Cotto handspeed? Come on bro.....Robinson had exceptional handspeed.
Pep was a featherweight so we would be talking about a lower weight. I would take Pep by decision, he had trouble with Sadler post plane crash/prime, but that was largely down to roughhousing and Saddler being a physical freak who couldn't give a fuck about boxing rules.
Hearns is a very bad style matchup i agree, but Hearns is a bad style matchup for 99% of welters that ever fought.
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Shittin me right.. Manny in 3.. TKO
I agree but not that quick. Not that he couldn't it's just he won't. They'll drag this out for the full 12.
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again, a fighter who isn't fluid as ray leonard or who doesn't have a clean one shot punch like hearns, fmw can ink out a points win with his style of just bait, clinch, counter and slide. the only reason mostley dropped those big rights on fmw because fmw went out of text to prove something Mosley and stood toe-toe with him.
robinson was great but dropped 19 fights or so, is on the top 10 ever, but fmw would milk out a win, 6-5-1 rounds.
You clearly don't know the difference in era's. A lot of Ray's losses were post prime at middle and fighting in a great middleweight era, far higher fight regularity and not much emphasis placed on the O. He was a big puncher. His amateur record was 89 bouts, 69 of which were knockouts, 40 in the first round. He was about 131-1 at one point as a pro or something stupid at one point. He pretty much did everything better than Leonard, though Leonard at his best was great too.
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again, a fighter who isn't fluid as ray leonard or who doesn't have a clean one shot punch like hearns, fmw can ink out a points win with his style of just bait, clinch, counter and slide. the only reason mostley dropped those big rights on fmw because fmw went out of text to prove something Mosley and stood toe-toe with him.
robinson was great but dropped 19 fights or so, is on the top 10 ever, but fmw would milk out a win, 6-5-1 rounds.
LOL! AT ROBINSON LOST 19 FIGHT!
OF CORSE HE LOST 19 (1 KO) FIGHT. HE FOUGHT 200 TIMES,WON 173 (108 KO),DRAW 6, PLUS 2 NO CONTEST, IN A VERY LONG CAREEAR (25 YEARS)!
AT ONE TIME HE HAD ABOUT 100 CONSECUTIVE VICTORY!
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FLOYD TRY TO EMULATE THAT!
BY THE WAY CHECK HIS RECORD!
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=009625&cat=boxer
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You clearly don't know the difference in era's. A lot of Ray's losses were post prime at middle and fighting in a great middleweight era, far higher fight regularity and not much emphasis placed on the O. He was a big puncher. His amateur record was 89 bouts, 69 of which were knockouts, 40 in the first round. He was about 131-1 at one point as a pro or something stupid at one point. He pretty much did everything better than Leonard, though Leonard at his best was great too.
THANK YOU JAIME!
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BY THE WAY THAT ROBINSON IS THE GREATEST EVER IS NOT ONLY MY OPINION BUT ALSO THEOPINION OF BOXING EXPERTS( AND EVEN ROGER MAYWETHER THINK ROBINSON IS THE GREATEST: HE SAID THAT MANY TIMES)!
ESPN RANKING!
http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm
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LOL! AT ROBINSON LOST 19 FIGHT!
OF CORSE HE LOST 19 (1 KO) FIGHT. HE FOUGHT 200 TIMES,WON 173 (108 KO),DRAW 6, PLUS 2 NO CONTEST, IN A VERY LONG CAREEAR (25 YEARS)!
AT ONE TIME HE HAD ABOUT 100 CONSECUTIVE VICTORY!
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FLOYD TRY TO EMULATE THAT!
BY THE WAY CHECK HIS RECORD!
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=009625&cat=boxer
whytf did i even bother? he only had one fight at 149 3/4. he'd be fucked trying to make weight with a fmw fight. thanks for your getbig knownledge. how about comparing him to hagler at 157-160? they list him as welterweight in resources. he was in and out the division like manny skipping weights and fighting BS.
like i said, fmw would out point his dehydrated ass, 6-5-1 rounds.
fmw would get ko'ed by hearns and outworked by leonard.
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Robinson was one of the best boxers ever ,no doubt but if you think Robinson is/was technically better than Mayweather I have to say you don't know shit about boxing.
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Shane wins by KO 8th-10th rd. Manny is the most overated boxer in the last 25 yrs. Can't wait to see him get exposed tonight
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Robinson was one of the best boxers ever ,no doubt but if you think Robinson is/was technically better than Mayweather I have to say you don't know shit about boxing.
I JUST SAY PUT MAYWEATHER IN THE SAME ENVIROMENT AND ERA ROBINSON FOUGHT AND SEE HOW LONG FLOYD LAST!
WHEN YOU COMPARE TWO MAN YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM IN THE SAME CONDITION !
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I JUST SAY PUT MAYWEATHER IN THE SAME ENVIROMENT AND ERA ROBINSON FOUGHT AND SEE HOW LONG FLOYD LAST!
this is SR record from the hearns and leonard era
Total fights 35
Wins 28
Wins by KO 18
Losses 6
FMW Jr is more skilled. wtf, you think? at 147 he gets past probably everyone but leonard and hearns. he could possibly cheat at defeat against hearns if he could avoid the right. duran is a bull and pin-point puncher but not sure he brings anymore than a young oscar would bring against fmw. maybe fmw goes 1-2 (correctoin) against those 3.
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whytf did i even bother? he only had one fight at 149 3/4. he'd be fucked trying to make weight with a fmw fight. thanks for your getbig knownledge. how about comparing him to hagler at 157-160? they list him as welterweight in resources. he was in and out the division like manny skipping weights and fighting BS.
like i said, fmw would out point his dehydrated ass, 6-5-1 rounds.
fmw would get ko'ed by hearns and outworked by leonard.
INSTEAD OF NOT BOTHER GO AND LOOK HOW MANY FIGHT ROBINSON HAD AT 147 AND UNDER WHEN HE WAS PROFESSIONAL.
LOOK AT BOXREC PAGE 3 AND YOU WILL SEE THE HE FOUGHT MANY TIME AT THAT WEIGHT !
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=009625&cat=boxer&pageID=3
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Robinson was one of the best boxers ever ,no doubt but if you think Robinson is/was technically better than Mayweather I have to say you don't know shit about boxing.
Robinson is more attributes mixed with technical ability than Mayweather, whose whole style is shaped around technical boxing.
Who gives a shit anyway, a lot of the greats weren't that technical, you go with the style that best suits your attributes.
Robinson was more gifted.
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INSTEAD OF NOT BOTHER GO AND LOOK HOW MANY FIGHT ROBINSON HAD AT 147 AND UNDER WHEN HE WAS PROFESSIONAL.
LOOK AT BOXREC PAGE 3 AND YOU WILL SEE THE HE FOUGHT MANY TIME AT THAT WEIGHT !
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=009625&cat=boxer&pageID=3
ok, i didnt look through of the pages. ::)
didnt think this was life and death.
fmw still out points him 6-5-1
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this is SR record from the hearns and leonard era
Total fights 35
Wins 28
Wins by KO 18
Losses 6
FMW Jr is more skilled. wtf, you think? at 147 he gets past probably everyone but leonard and hearns. he could possibly cheat at defeat against hearns if he could avoid the right. duran is a bull and pin-point puncher but not sure he brings anymore than a young oscar would bring against fmw. maybe fmw goes 1-2 (correctoin) against those 3.
HOLY SHIT !
I DID KNOW YOU WERE SO FUCKING IGNORANT !
I AM TALKING ABOUT RAY SUGAR ROBINSON G-TONG, NOT RAY SUGAR LEONARD!
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this is SR record from the hearns and leonard era
Total fights 35
Wins 28
Wins by KO 18
Losses 6
FMW Jr is more skilled. wtf, you think? at 147 he gets past probably everyone but leonard and hearns. he could possibly cheat at defeat against hearns if he could avoid the right. duran is a bull and pin-point puncher but not sure he brings anymore than a young oscar would bring against fmw. maybe fmw goes 1-2 (correctoin) against those 3.
Well Duran beat prime Leonard so this doesn't make a great deal of sense. Oscar and Duran? WTF.
Norton is more skilled than Foreman, it doesn't really equate to much when you add physical attributes.
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BY THE WAY LEONARD WOULD KICK FLOYD ASS TOO ,LIKE HE DID TO HIS FATHER YEARS AGO!
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ok, i didnt look through of the pages. ::)
didnt think this was life and death.
fmw still out points him 6-5-1
So you only know about his career through way of a casual boxrec view G? Ok enough said.
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I JUST SAY PUT MAYWEATHER IN THE SAME ENVIROMENT AND ERA ROBINSON FOUGHT AND SEE HOW LONG FLOYD LAST!
WHEN YOU COMPARE TWO MAN YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM IN THE SAME CONDITION !
Ali would kill Tyson ,Marciano would destroy klitschko ,Duran would .......................b lah ,blah , I hate fantasy arguments .
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G-THONG LOOK AT LEONARD IN HIS PRIME WHEN HE KO HEARNS AT 147!
DO YOU STILL THINK FLOYD HAS A CHANCE WITH LEONARD TOO NOW?
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HOLY SHIT !
I DID KNOW YOU WERE SO FUCKING IGNORANT !
I AM TALKING ABOUT RAY SUGAR ROBINSON G-TONG, NOT RAY SUGAR LEONARD!
fmw beats robinsons on pts at 147
fmw loses to leonard on pts at 147
fmw loses to hearn by ko at 147
fmw possible drawn vs duran at 147
robinson or not, this is about fmw vs 147s of other eras since his record isnt legit in his generation since people hate him so much. technically, he is better than his father who ray leonard dominated but couldn't knock out. it lends me to believe fmw would be a harder target for leonard so no knockout but a pts win. that being said, robinson by boxing historians is not a fluid moving and slick fighter as a ray leonard and that is what you need to beat fmw or just nasty one shot power like hearns while he is on the ropes. since robinson isnt fluid and fought and knocked out a shit load of stiff white boys, he attributes would just get him a split decision lost vs fmw. as with any puncher, he couldnt land a bingo shot on fmw and you'd be right.
hate doesn't kill fmw's tech ability and you need certain attributes to over whelm them, and robinson lacks in certain areas that leonard and hearns in particular at 147 dont.
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G-THONG LOOK AT LEONARD IN HIS PRIME WHEN HE KO HEARNS AT 147!
DO YOU STILL THINK FLOYD HAS A CHANCE WITH LEONARD TOO NOW?
dumbass, did i say fmw would lose to leonard?
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Ali would kill Tyson ,Marciano would destroy klitschko ,Duran would .......................b lah ,blah , I hate fantasy arguments .
those russian brothers are a joke. sad day for heavyweights when you have to look for a good flyweight fight.
oh, i do think the foreman who beat frazier would destroy tyson. damn near same styles.
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Who gives a shit anyway, a lot of the greats weren't that technical, you go with the style that best suits your attributes.
I agree ,that's why in my first post I said FMW is not the best fighter ever (not even close).
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I agree ,that's why in my first post I said FMW is not the best fighter ever (not even close).
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and you're the one with the messi threads.
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those russian brothers are a joke. sad day for heavyweights when you have to look for a good flyweight fight.
oh, i do think the foreman who beat frazier would destroy tyson. damn near same styles.
This guy is going to change that.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=375245.msg5331641#msg5331641
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fmw beats robinsons on pts at 147
fmw loses to leonard on pts at 147
fmw loses to hearn by ko at 147
fmw possible drawn vs duran at 147
robinson or not, this is about fmw vs 147s of other eras since his record isnt legit in his generation since people hate him so much. technically, he is better than his father who ray leonard dominated but couldn't knock out. it lends me to believe fmw would be a harder target for leonard so no knockout but a pts win. that being said, robinson by boxing historians is not a fluid moving and slick fighter as a ray leonard and that is what you need to beat fmw or just nasty one shot power like hearns while he is on the ropes. since robinson isnt fluid and fought and knocked out a shit load of stiff white boys, he attributes would just get him a split decision lost vs fmw. as with any puncher, he couldnt land a bingo shot on fmw and you'd be right.
hate doesn't kill fmw's tech ability and you need certain attributes to over whelm them, and robinson lacks in certain areas that leonard and hearns in particular at 147 dont.
You are hugely ignorant about the era and the fighters. Leonard was getting bounced around by Norris, had aready retired then promptly retired again at the same stage in his career that Robinson was beating great middleweights. I showed you his knockout record at welter in the am's, he was just as gifted physically as Tommy and was better overall than Leonard.
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and you're the one with the messi threads.
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You are hugely ignorant about the era and the fighters. Leonard was getting bounced around by Norris, had aready retired then promptly retired again at the same stage in his career that Robinson was beating great middleweights. I showed you his knockout record at welter in the am's, he was just as gifted physically as Tommy and was better overall than Leonard.
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you must be kidding.
why dont you just post leonard vs camacho? ::)
you must be kidding.
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you must be kidding.
why dont you just post leonard vs camacho? ::)
you must be kidding.
Comparative stages in their careers or did you miss that bit?
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Comparative stages in their careers or did you miss that bit?
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post eye surg and multiple retirements. sure.
how about stick to the championship yrs?
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fmw beats robinsons on pts at 147
fmw loses to leonard on pts at 147
fmw loses to hearn by ko at 147
fmw possible drawn vs duran at 147
robinson or not, this is about fmw vs 147s of other eras since his record isnt legit in his generation since people hate him so much. technically, he is better than his father who ray leonard dominated but couldn't knock out. it lends me to believe fmw would be a harder target for leonard so no knockout but a pts win. that being said, robinson by boxing historians is not a fluid moving and slick fighter as a ray leonard and that is what you need to beat fmw or just nasty one shot power like hearns while he is on the ropes. since robinson isnt fluid and fought and knocked out a shit load of stiff white boys, he attributes would just get him a split decision lost vs fmw. as with any puncher, he couldnt land a bingo shot on fmw and you'd be right.
hate doesn't kill fmw's tech ability and you need certain attributes to over whelm them, and robinson lacks in certain areas that leonard and hearns in particular at 147 dont.
floyd mayweather on the same level as robinson you sure man?
i dont even have him top 15
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G-THONG ROBINSON IS THE GREATEST EVER FOR A REASON , BECAUSE IS THE BEST AND NOBODY CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO HIM!
YOU CAN'T WIN THIS ARGUMENT !
LET IT GO!
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G-THONG ROBINSON IS THE GREATEST EVER FOR A REASON , BECAUSE IS THE BEST AND NOBODY CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO HIM!
YOU CAN'T WIN THIS ARGUMENT !
LET IT GO!
i thought get big arguments were a way of life. jaime just started making retirement comparisons. lets do the wheel chair edition.
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G-THONG ROBINSON IS THE GREATEST EVER FOR A REASON , BECAUSE IS THE BEST AND NOBODY CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO HIM!
YOU CAN'T WIN THIS ARGUMENT !
LET IT GO!
Wilde, Greb, Pep and a few others have a claim to the title, it's down to preferance. Ray had zero weaknesses though.
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BY THE WAY FLOYD IS NOT UNDEFEATED!
HE CLEARLY LOST TO CASTILLO IN HIS FIRST FIGHT WITH HIM!
ANYBODY WHO THINK FLOYD IS THE BEST EVER BECAUSE NEVER LOST HAS TO WATCH THIS FIGHT AND WILL KNOW THAT HE IS NOT UNBEATABLE BECAUSE HE LOST BY 3 POINT AT LEAST WITH CASTILLO!
THAT WAS A SHAME THAT THEY GAVE THE VICTORY TO FLOYD BECAUSE IF THE JUDGES WERE FAIR THAT NIGHT, NOW THAT COWARD OF FLOYD WOULD NOT BE REGARDED BY IDIOTS BOXING FANS OF AS THE BEST EVER!
THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT THINK FLOYD IS THE GREATEST ARE CLUELESS CASUAL BOXING FANS THAT STARTED TO WATCH FIGHT AFTER THE YEAR 2000!
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The greatest defensive boxer ever
Hahaa, how can't you not love this guy
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Manny in 5 ...
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The greatest defensive boxer ever
Hahaa, how can't you not love this guy
Thanks. Until a power puncher with quick hands caught up to him. Hello, Roy Jones, Prince Nas, Camacho, Whit, etc. Nice vid though.
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BY THE WAY FLOYD IS NOT UNDEFEATED!
HE CLEARLY LOST TO CASTILLO IN HIS FIRST FIGHT WITH HIM!
ANYBODY WHO THINK FLOYD IS THE BEST EVER BECAUSE NEVER LOST HAS TO WATCH THIS FIGHT AND WILL KNOW THAT HE IS NOT UNBEATABLE BECAUSE HE LOST BY 3 POINT AT LEAST WITH CASTILLO!
THAT WAS A SHAME THAT THEY GAVE THE VICTORY TO FLOYD BECAUSE IF THE JUDGES WERE FAIR THAT NIGHT, NOW THAT COWARD OF FLOYD WOULD NOT BE REGARDED BY IDIOTS BOXING FANS OF AS THE BEST EVER!
THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT THINK FLOYD IS THE GREATEST ARE CLUELESS CASUAL BOXING FANS THAT STARTED TO WATCH FIGHT AFTER THE YEAR 2000!
mayweather got his ass whupped this fight NO DOUBT
.... not even top 15 ever....
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mayweather got his ass whupped this fight NO DOUBT
.... not even top 15 ever....
ONCE FLOYD LOSE AT SCORE CARDS OR BY KO FOR THE FIRST TIME HE WILL BE JUST ANOTHER ROY JONES !
NOT EVEN TOP 30!
FLOYS BETTER BE RETIRED SO HE CAN CONTINUE TO CLAIM FOR THE REST OF HIS DELUSIONAL LIFE HE IS THE GREATEST!
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ONCE FLOYD LOSE AT SCORE CARDS OR BY KO FOR THE FIRST TIME HE WILL BE JUST ANOTHER ROY JONES !
NOT EVEN TOP 30!
FLOYS BETTER BE RETIRED SO HE CAN CONTINUE TO CLAIM FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE HE IS THE GREATEST!
he lost that fight to castillo..... no question
floyd knows his legacy rides on his suposed unbeaten record which is whyhes danced around fighting manny... he doesnt want is
manny whould whup his ass....
mayweather isnt an all time great....
shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as robinson... leonard etc
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mayweather got his ass whupped this fight NO DOUBT
.... not even top 15 ever....
sloppy aggression, ineffective shots inside, shots off of fmw's gloves and forearms, a crowd pleasing power punch here and there but he lost the fight on pts to fmw. next?
find me a better fight where fmw actually lost.
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he lost that fight to castillo..... no question
floyd knows his legacy rides on his suposed unbeaten record which is whyhes danced around fighting manny... he doesnt want is
manny whould whup his ass....
mayweather isnt an all time great....
shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as robinson... leonard etc
manny is the all-time best, is the one moving thru divisions beating the best in each class like marg, hatton, oscar, mosley tonight, etc. ::)
it's crazy that fmw already defeated 3 of them.
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sloppy aggression, ineffective shots inside, shots off of fmw's gloves and forearms, a crowd pleasing power punch here and there but he lost the fight on pts to fmw. next?
find me a better fight where fmw actually lost.
be unbiased.... he battered mayweather..... no question...
same as manny will batter mayweather which mayweather knows which is why he keeps pulling his antics....
do you really think mayweathers name should be mentioned in the same sentence as robinson and leanard.....
no way
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manny is the all-time best, is the one moving thru divisions beating the best in each class like marg, hatton, oscar, mosley tonight, etc. ::)
it's crazy that fmw already defeated 3 of them.
over the hill hatton... over the hill delahoya over the hill mosely i agree
compare how manny battered the same mayweather fought ::)
manny will whupp mayweathers ass no question
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over the hill hatton... over the hill delahoya over the hill mosely i agree
compare how manny battered the same mayweather fought ::)
manny will whupp mayweathers ass no question
get rid of golden boy and arum esp and that fight, manny vs fmw, will happen. fmw wont walk away from a table where arum is pocketing a big % of the purse.
mosley had to drop golden boy just to get the fight with manny because arum wasnt splitting shit with oscar
ali wouldn't fuck with don king during his career. same thing going on with fmw and arum.
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Manny wanted to fight ... then fmw started coming out with this drug test blood test shit..... playing his usual dumb games....
i cant see that fight happening and if it does it will be waaaay down the line.... not anytime now....
but for the fight tonight i think mosley is gonna get hurt....
it would be cool if he won exciting but i cant see it
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get rid of golden boy and arum esp and that fight, manny vs fmw, will happen. fmw wont walk away from a table where arum is pocketing a big % of the purse.
mosley had to drop golden boy just to get the fight with manny because arum wasnt splitting shit with oscar
ali wouldn't fuck with don king during his career. same thing going on with fmw and arum.
Don King promoted the Ali vs. Foreman fight.
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sloppy aggression, ineffective shots inside, shots off of fmw's gloves and forearms, a crowd pleasing power punch here and there but he lost the fight on pts to fmw. next?
find me a better fight where fmw actually lost.
WATCH THE ALL FUCKING FIGHT G-THONG!
AND COME BACK AND TELL ME FLOYD DID NOT LOSE!
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WATCH THE ALL FUCKING FIGHT G-THONG!
AND COME BACK AND TELL ME FLOYD DID NOT LOSE!
i watched it just now floyd lost no question
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i watched it just now floyd lost no question
YOU DID BUT G-THONG OBVIOSLY DID NOT!
HE KEEP TALKING UP TO HIS ASSHOLE LIKE WHEN HE SAID THAT ROBINSON FOUGHT ONLY ONE TIME AT 147!
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Don King promoted the Ali vs. Foreman fight.
THAT ANOTER PROOF THATG-THONG HAS NO CLUE OF WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!
HE HE ONLY WOULD HAVE WATCHED THE MOVIE "WHEN WE WERE KING" HE WOULD KNOW THAT!
AGAIN ARUM IS JUST AN EXCUSE FOR FLOYD NOT TO FIGHT MANNY,LIKE IT WAS WHEN HE USED AS EXCUSE TO AVOID MARARITO AND COTTO FOR FEAR TO LOSE WHEN MARGARITO WAS BEATING EVERYBODY IN THE DIVISION AND COTTO WAS UNDEFEATED AND THEN FLOYD RETIRED FOR THE FIRST TIME!
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THAT ANOTER PROOF THATG-THONG HAS NO CLUE OF WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!
HE HE ONLY WOULD HAVE WATCHED THE MOVIE "WHEN WE WERE KING" HE WOULD KNOW THAT!
AGAIN ARUM IS JUST AN EXCUSE FOR FLOYD NOT TO FIGHT MANNY,LIKE IT WAS WHEN HE USED AS EXCUSE TO AVOID MARARITO AND COTTO FOR FEAR TO LOSE WHEN MARGARITO WAS BEATING EVERYBODY IN THE DIVISION AND COTTO WAS UNDEFEATED AND THEN FLOYD RETIRED FOR THE FIRST TIME!
G thing didn't even know that Ray Robinson fought at welterweight for a large part of his career.....He seems to know modern fighters well though, so i won't give him to much shit over it.
He should shut the fuck up about the old school guys though. :(
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G thing didn't even know that Ray Robinson fought at welterweight for a large part of his career.....He seems to know modern fighters well though, so i won't give him to much shit over it.
He should shut the fuck up about the old school guys though. :(
like i'm going to research all this BS on getbig. who do you think i am, Sev?
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MAYWEATHER IS SCARED. FIRST HE WAS 0FFERED 50 MIL AND DECLINED AND N0W WANTS 100 MILLI0N AND IS BITCHING AB0UT DRUG TESTING WHEN THEY ALREADY TEST. MAYWEATHER HAS ALREADY L0ST AGAINST PAC MENTALLY. THERE IS N0 WAY HE'LL WIN.
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A link anyone?
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A link anyone?
http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv.html
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http://boxingguru.eu/gurutv.html
thanks bro.
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http://www.super-sportz.net/Channel%201.htm
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ESPN reported that Manny was is a car accident today... They said he was going to church and he got rear ended by his own security staff. They said Manny is fine.
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Travieso Arce next ,watch him he always put on a good show.
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Travieso Arce next ,watch him he always put on a good show.
Arce a reincarnation of Roberto Duran.
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Shane wins by KO 8th-10th rd. Manny is the most overated boxer in the last 25 yrs. Can't wait to see him get exposed tonight
HAHAHAHAHAHA. If Mosley beats Manny, this will be the biggest upset since Tyson's loss to Buster. Sorry, not gonna happen. Mosley is old a fuk and sucks now. I hope I'm wrong cause I hate Manny, but Mosley is shit and prime was 10 fuking years ago.
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i wouldnt mind seeing mosley winning
but NO WAY is that gonna happen
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streams are going down here is another
http://premier--games.yolasite.com/
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Arce a reincarnation of Roberto Duran.
Entertaining fighter no doubt .
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horrible fight.
fmw please sign the contract, so this BS comes to an end.
anyway...good night.
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Boxing sucks now. These twinks dance around for 12 rounds and get big money? The days of destruction like Tyson, Hagler, Hearns, etc..are gone.
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what a shit fight.. made the undercard look good
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Boxing sucks now. These twinks dance around for 12 rounds and get big money? The days of destruction like Tyson, Hagler, Hearns, etc..are gone.
Disagree. You're witnessing history. Pacquiao is the best fighter on the planet and in the history of boxing. Even if he lost to Mayweather he'd still be the best.
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Disagree. You're witnessing history. Pacquiao is the best fighter on the planet and in the history of boxing. Even if he lost to Mayweather he'd still be the best.
I am not a fan of technical fighters. I want blood. Pacquiao could not hang with some guys from the 80's. Wilfred Benitez for one.
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Boxing sucks now. These twinks dance around for 12 rounds and get big money? The days of destruction like Tyson, Hagler, Hearns, etc..are gone.
You must not watch boxing much.
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I am not a fan of technical fighters. I want blood. Pacquiao could not hang with some guys from the 80's. Wilfred Benitez for one.
Hang on. I have a pic from our strongman camp from today. I have a video as well but can't upload it from my blackberry (lost the cord) but it was funny.
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Manny carried Mosley after the knock down in the 3rd. Mosley was on his way to being murdered. Definitely Manny - killer instinct tonight.
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Disagree. You're witnessing history. Pacquiao is the best fighter on the planet and in the history of boxing. Even if he lost to Mayweather he'd still be the best.
out of your mind. flash knockdown vs a rigamortis legged over the hill fighter.
how the hell can he be the best beating guys after fmw defeated them?
147
leonard
hearns
duran
...destory this runt.
fmw's def is better and a master counter puncher. you think mosley slowed down the fight.
wild guess, fmw is milking a couple yrs off of manny's speed prolonging this thing.
who knows?
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I am not a fan of technical fighters. I want blood. Pacquiao could not hang with some guys from the 80's. Wilfred Benitez for one.
Pacquiao isn't a technical fighter
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out of your mind. flash knockdown vs a rigamortis legged over the hill fighter.
how the hell can he be the best beating guys after fmw defeated them?
147
leonard
hearns
duran
...destory this runt.
fmw's def is better and a master counter puncher. you think mosley slowed down the fight.
wild guess, fmw is milking a couple yrs off of manny's speed prolonging this thing.
who knows?
Dude, Pacquiao hasn't beat just a bunch of tomato cans, he's beat the best....and by pummlings. Remember Delahoya? Delahoya QUIT in the 8th round because he was too fast and couldn't keep up.....he almost literally killed hatton, margaritos face looked like it went through a meat grinder.......you can't be serious?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/IMG00484-20110507-1314.jpg)
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One could think Pac is the GOAT, except when you consider one large factor. Barrera, Morales, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, and Mosley are all of his biggest wins yet all of these fights were post-prime for these fighters. They were all wounded warriors and/or over-the-hill.
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Pacquiao isn't a technical fighter
no, he is the greatest ever but his career past super lightweight is a joke thanks to arum and roach.
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Coach, Oscar's face was fuked up from Stevie Forbes before the Pac fight. Stevie fukin Forbes. Oscar was so over the hill it wasn't even funny. He was smart to quit. It doesn't take a tough guy to get beat on, it takes a dumb one. Oscar knew he couldn't do fuk all, even said his mind knew what to do but his body wasn't following through.
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guess who pac fights next? i thought it was bradley. no, it's the guy FMW exposed at 147 who can't carry the size. The circus continues.
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Oscar and Mosley were over the hill way past their prime but Cotto, Clottey ,Hatton ,Marquez ,Morales they are legit wins for Manny ,because a fighter loses a fight it doesn't mean they are shot and don't forget that Manny is a very small guy fighting &guy/stronger fighters.
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(http://www.thefightnetwork.com/data/blog/4/1654_540.jpg)
Let's see Pac fight this man.
Even if they could meet at a reasonable weight, Freddie wouldn't let Pac in the same area as Sergio.
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(http://www.thefightnetwork.com/data/blog/4/1654_540.jpg)
Let's see Pac fight this man.
Even if they could meet at a reasonable weight, Freddie wouldn't let Pac in the same area as Sergio.
Sergio can't make 150lbs
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Sergio can't make 150lbs
He was at 154 in '08-'09. Wouldn't make much sense for him to drop down and take the risk now though unless there were completely no other options. Freddie would want him drained down to 147, weak and walking dead before Manny fights him.
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Coach, Oscar's face was fuked up from Stevie Forbes before the Pac fight. Stevie fukin Forbes. Oscar was so over the hill it wasn't even funny. He was smart to quit. It doesn't take a tough guy to get beat on, it takes a dumb one. Oscar knew he couldn't do fuk all, even said his mind knew what to do but his body wasn't following through.
true...stevie notted oscar's a$$ up pretty good too. the post fight was hilarious...smaller steve forbes not a scratch on him the UD victor delahoya looked like he got his with a bag of fk'n cement. LOL
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You must not watch boxing much.
not anymore because of bullshit fights like this one.
Now I have to go beat the piss out of my wife just to get some satisfaction. >:(
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not anymore because of bullshit fights like this one.
Now I have to go beat the piss out of my wife just to get some satisfaction. >:(
LOL. ;D
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i think floyd will fancy this fight much more after watching mosleys performance, on brit tv there was a comment that prince nazeem hamed stated he thinks floyd has mannies ticket, and will put big money on it...
i still fancy pac man tho...(no homo )
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Sergio can't make 150lbs
his handlers already said they'd prefer he fight at 153-154 vs trying to put him 5'9" in the ring with a 6'0" SMW at a catch weight for 163-164. manny already fought Marg 5'11" at 153-4. once again, roach and arum at work saying Sergio is TOO big. ::)
the better fight at 153-54 is actually Sergio vs FMW. ::) Forget I typed that.
A good boxer with speed and life in him will give Manny hell. FMW could bring the fight to a stand still, would counter Manny out the right the minute he tried to up the pace like he did again a dead fighter like Shane.
BTW, Shane will need this last payday to still payoff the ex and pay for the new one.
Candidates:
Judah at 143-144 - Roach and Arum said no because he is on a win streak of 6 fights and has life again after leaving 147 which was too much for him. Manny wins but Judah still has the ability to get a punch off faster.
Bradley - After the Mosley fight, I'm not so sure. Manny is 34 or whatever, is slowing down a bit. Maybe Bradley gives him trouble. But i think since Bradley throws marshmellows vs this year's fight of the year candidates (below), it's a safe fight for Arum.
Marquez - FMW exposed him a 147. Arum will say this is the only money fight for Manny but even Manny vs Clottie sold 1.1M PPVs. in other words Manny is the draw, not his opponent. Someone needs to call Arums BS.
Berto or Ortiz - Why did I even bother typing that?
IFBB and WBA Champs - Still too young, too good, too european. Either one won't fight stateside, and Arum isnt fucking with a unification fight with a REAL champ over 138.
I said I give manny credit for Cotto, but other fights are BS over super lightweight. He was a legit fighter light weight and down. You know they are cherry picking his fights.
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his handlers already said they'd prefer he fight at 153-154 vs trying to put him 5'9" in the ring with a 6'0" SMW at a catch weight for 163-164. manny already fought Marg 5'11" at 153-4. once again, roach and arum at work saying Sergio is TOO big. ::)
the better fight at 153-54 is actually Sergio vs FMW. ::) Forget I typed that.
A good boxer with speed and life in him will give Manny hell. FMW could bring the fight to a stand still, would counter Manny out the right the minute he tried to up the pace like he did again a dead fighter like Shane.
BTW, Shane will need this last payday to still payoff the ex and pay for the new one.
Candidates:
Judah at 143-144 - Roach and Arum said no because he is on a win streak of 6 fights and has life again after leaving 147 which was too much for him. Manny wins but Judah still has the ability to get a punch off faster.
Bradley - After the Mosley fight, I'm not so sure. Manny is 34 or whatever, is slowing down a bit. Maybe Bradley gives him trouble. But i think since Bradley throws marshmellows vs this year's fight of the year candidates (below), it's a safe fight for Arum.
Marquez - FMW exposed him a 147. Arum will say this is the only money fight for Manny but even Manny vs Clottie sold 1.1M PPVs. in other words Manny is the draw, not his opponent. Someone needs to call Arums BS.
Berto or Ortiz - Why did I even bother typing that?
IFBB and WBA Champs - Still too young, too good, too european. Either one won't fight stateside, and Arum isnt fucking with a unification fight with a REAL champ over 138.
I said I give manny credit for Cotto, but other fights are BS over super lightweight. He was a legit fighter light weight and down. You know they are cherry picking his fights.
L0L BRADLEY AND JUDAH ARE N0T 0N M0SLEY'S LEVEL. Y0U MUST BE TR0LLING. ARE Y0U SERI0USLY SAYING MANNY IS D0DGING FIGHTS N0W? W0W AND JUDAH F0R CRYING 0UT L0UD.
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Pacquiao isn't a technical fighter
HE IS. HE FIGHTS AT ANGLES. HE'S ACTUALLY ALL TECHNIQUE. HE THR0WS 5-6 PUNCHES AT 0NCE IN 2-3 DIFFERENT ANGLES. THE FIGHTER D0SEN'T KN0W WHAT HIT HIM.
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L0L BRADLEY AND JUDAH ARE N0T 0N M0SLEY'S LEVEL. Y0U MUST BE TR0LLING. ARE Y0U SERI0USLY SAYING MANNY IS D0DGING FIGHTS N0W? W0W AND JUDAH F0R CRYING 0UT L0UD.
Bitch Gimmick, go look at Arum's comments. Why aren't FMW and Manny avoiding fights?
IFBB Champ 147
WBA Champ 147
Ortiz 147
Berto 147
Martinez 153 (in the mix now)
Judah's name was brought up to Arum, and he said NO at 143 but YES to Marquez at the weight
Bradley is the consensus fighter if Manny fights a young black fighter but has marshmellow hands and has to inflate up to 147 like Marquez. Good win for Manny if Arum lets it happen.
Manny is basically fighting guys coming off bad performances or just at the end of the road. I don't blame, Manny, blame Arum's bank account, because Manny will be a broke Bitch in the Fils in 10 yrs, but he'll have his state salary.
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HE IS. HE FIGHTS AT ANGLES. HE'S ACTUALLY ALL TECHNIQUE. HE THR0WS 5-6 PUNCHES AT 0NCE IN 2-3 DIFFERENT ANGLES. THE FIGHTER D0SEN'T KN0W WHAT HIT HIM.
He also has no fucking defence against anyone that can counter punch well.
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JOKE.
Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach said after mismatch that a third bout against Juan Manuel Marquez could be in the cards, unless his charge could come to terms on a contest the entire boxing community, sports world and PPV distributors want to see -- a megafight against Floyd Mayweather Jr. A Pacquiao-Mayweather bout was derailed in 2010 over the latter's demands for random drug testing. Since then, Mayweather has begun embroiled in legal trouble and issued an ethnic, homophobic rant on Ustream against the man he is vying with for the mythical best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet designation.
There have been reports that Pacquiao-Marquez could meet in October. Marquez has twice fought Pacquiao, overcoming three knockdowns in the opening round to earn a draw when they first battled in May 2004 before losing his WBC super-featherweight title to the Filipino in a controversial split decision in March 2008.
FMW already proved Marquez is nothing at 147. Now, Pac will take on another FMW ex.
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HE IS. HE FIGHTS AT ANGLES. HE'S ACTUALLY ALL TECHNIQUE. HE THR0WS 5-6 PUNCHES AT 0NCE IN 2-3 DIFFERENT ANGLES. THE FIGHTER D0SEN'T KN0W WHAT HIT HIM.
Haha ,OK assbruise.
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Manny carried Mosley I think. After he rocked him in the third he stepped off the gas. Either that or Manny is starting to slide.
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JOKE.
Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach said after mismatch that a third bout against Juan Manuel Marquez could be in the cards, unless his charge could come to terms on a contest the entire boxing community, sports world and PPV distributors want to see -- a megafight against Floyd Mayweather Jr. A Pacquiao-Mayweather bout was derailed in 2010 over the latter's demands for random drug testing. Since then, Mayweather has begun embroiled in legal trouble and issued an ethnic, homophobic rant on Ustream against the man he is vying with for the mythical best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet designation.
There have been reports that Pacquiao-Marquez could meet in October. Marquez has twice fought Pacquiao, overcoming three knockdowns in the opening round to earn a draw when they first battled in May 2004 before losing his WBC super-featherweight title to the Filipino in a controversial split decision in March 2008.
FMW already proved Marquez is nothing at 147. Now, Pac will take on another FMW ex.
Dude, get of Floyds nuts.
Dude is a bitch plain and simple, dodging Manny the way he has.
He's scared of getting exposed.
Even I can see that, and I know jack shit about boxing.
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Dude, get of Floyds nuts.
Dude is a bitch plain and simple, dodging Manny the way he has.
He's scared of getting exposed.
Even I can see that, and I know jack shit about boxing.
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manny looked exposed tonight, doesn't really adjust if the fight is slowed down to a crawl.
you can only fight manny if you drop your promotion, so arum gets that cut. i guess you dont know the history of fmw vs arum.
fmw said he'd take 100M to fight manny. in other words, manny just drop arum and lets neg a great deal between us two fighters. sorry, arum and roach got manny by the balls and had him sign a deal with the devil when he walked into roaches guym, so he isn't fighting until arum breaks him down and pockets his 37% a gag.
manny P4P after last night. ::)
get your 50$ ready for the Marquez vs Manny III joke in Oct.
Go Arum!
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manny looked exposed tonight
haha,ok thong
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typical shane packing it in last night rd 2 before the knockdown. This guy puzzles me at times. His stubborn attitude works in favor or against him at times. Naz was basically running a therapy session in between rds simply to get shane back in the fight...reminds me of what his dad used to do with him vs forrest, wright even oscar in first fight at rd 5-6. Puzzling for such a decorated fighter.
As far as manny..nothings changed..the guy comes forward and he comes to fight. It is what it is with him. Angles and rapid fire out the south paw stance. Your biggest fear as a right handed fighter is getting caught at HIS angle out HIS stance with something you didn't see. You will go down if caught no matter his size.
As far as floyd vs manny...floyd's defense kills that angle sh*t completely b/c he goes into that shell and will simply push him off, raise the elbow, catch the shots and counter..pot shot, and turn manny while manny is trying to turn him. I still conclude manny vs pbf would be a bore fest with floyd winning a bore fest.
floyd vs manny will not live up to the hype in my opinion. two totally different styles. One rapid fire and one that will catch every single shot with his gloves to land his one counter. Boring.
Bring on martinez vs williams III, Ortiz vs Berto II, Hopkins vs Pascal II, Kahn vs Prescott II, Klit vs Haye..etc. there are TONS of fights I'd love to see on top of manny vs floyd in boxing. They are not the only two carrying boxing imo. If they don't fight, oh well.
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Bring on martinez vs williams III, Ortiz vs Berto II, Hopkins vs Pascal II, Kahn vs Prescott II, Klit vs Haye..etc. there are TONS of fights I'd love to see on top of manny vs floyd in boxing. They are not the only two carrying boxing imo. If they don't fight, oh well.
i'm glad you see thru the manny BS, and yes, pull out the Tylenol PM when he and FMW fight. FMW will clinch, elbow and tie-up after every one of his counter shots.
martinez vs williams III - unless williams finds magical hand speed, he'll get hurt again.
Hopkins vs Pascal II - i didn't care for 1st. Pascal will put in his road work again.
Kahn vs Prescott II - Arum fight. Haven't seen prescott lately. Guess his skills have eroded since the knockout for them to take the rematch.
Ortiz vs Berto II - time for berto to get the damn family out of his corner and bring in steward.
Klit vs Haye - Dreamscape for Haye.
The better fight is for Maranda to go back to 160 and fight Martinez. Maranda is getting killed by SMW and most of them would walk thru Martinez's stuff. Potential fight of the Year.
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The sound of that punch never gets old .
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why dont martinez go up to fight klitschco...you know to test himself and prove he's the best...
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why dont martinez go up to fight klitschco...you know to test himself and prove he's the best...
Martinez has never fought weighing in 200 plus lb, where as Manny has fought around 154lb. Manny needs to stop the cherry picking,
Another thing.
Mosley was looking at Manny like a lover the majority of the fight, what did he touch gloves about 1000 times, take his cheque, be all best buddys, that shit isn't boxing sorry.
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Martinez has never fought weighing in 200 plus lb, where as Manny has fought around 154lb. Manny needs to stop the cherry picking,
that's not the point...point is pacman is fighting 5 weight classes above where he should be and people still wanna discredit him because he hasnt fought this or that person...lets see martinez go up 5-6-7-8 weight classes then on top of that tell him to fight the absolute best in those classes or he's cherry picking...Im a martinez fan btw....
the fight is mayweather and that fight isnt/hasnt happened because of mayweather not pacman...
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that's not the point...point is pacman is fighting 5 weight classes above where he should be and people still wanna discredit him because he hasnt fought this or that person...lets see martinez go up 5-6-7-8 weight classes then on top of that tell him to fight the absolute best in those classes or he's cherry picking...Im a martinez fan btw....
the fight is mayweather and that fight isnt/hasnt happened because of mayweather not pacman...
Nah, he started when he was about 16 or something. People grow a lot between their mid teens and thirties, also worth bearing in mind is the small differences in divisions in the modern era.
The differences at the upper weights are a lot more pronounced. Besides as far as i know Martinez isn't fighting shot to pieces cruiserweights and getting everyone hugginh his nuts for it.
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Martinez has never fought weighing in 200 plus lb, where as Manny has fought around 154lb. Manny needs to stop the cherry picking,
Another thing.
Mosley was looking at Manny like a lover the majority of the fight, what did he touch gloves about 1000 times, take his cheque, be all best buddys, that shit isn't boxing sorry.
Touching gloves is a sign of respect ,it have nothing to do with the way you perform , is a competition not a real fight.
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Touching gloves is a sign of respect ,it have nothing to do with the way you perform , is a competition not a real fight.
Problem being he was doing it constantly, the whole fight had a surreal atmosphere. No intensity.
You show respect at the begining and at the end, or as a sign of sportmanship. It was a glorified sparring session.
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Nah, he started when he was about 16 or something. People grow a lot between their mid teens and thirties, also worth bearing in mind is the small differences in divisions in the modern era.
The differences at the upper weights are a lot more pronounced. Besides as far as i know Martinez isn't fighting shot to pieces cruiserweights and getting everyone hugginh his nuts for it.
are you saying 154lbs is pacmans natural fighting weight?..it's not even close man...All im saying is people sound absurd in the same vain as its absurd to say martenez should go fight a heavyweight and on top of that fight the best heavyweight...
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. It was a glorified sparring session.
Nah ,it was a mismatch
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that's not the point...point is pacman is fighting 5 weight classes above where he should be and people still wanna discredit him because he hasnt fought this or that person...lets see martinez go up 5-6-7-8 weight classes then on top of that tell him to fight the absolute best in those classes or he's cherry picking...Im a martinez fan btw....
the fight is mayweather and that fight isnt/hasnt happened because of mayweather not pacman...
Sergio Martinez can out box a 40 yr old SMW, punch drunk CW and Evan Holyfield at HW if he runs and hit enough and if Arum can find the LEGIT belts to pull this kind of BS off and sell it to people. Now, hand pick a SWW, WW and SLW, and set those fights at catch weights which they do know. The problem is Sergio is 36 yrs old, so age got him. Manny rise cover 138 is complete BS. No fucking way he fights Margo for belt coming off of a suspension when there was Berto and two other 147 belt holders in Europe who are putty much young and undefeated. Hope you dropping $50 for the Pac vs Marq III fight in Oct.
Love me some Arum more than Manny and Shane like touching gloves.
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are you saying 154lbs is pacmans natural fighting weight?..it's not even close man...All im saying is people sound absurd in the same vain as its absurd to say martenez should go fight a heavyweight and on top of that fight the best heavyweight...
Not far off 154lb at this stage in his career no, he was an emaciated teenager when he started out.
When has Martinez ever weighed within 5-10lbs even of average heavyweight 225lb?
I'm not even saying he should fight Martinez, just for him and Mayweather who are top p4p, to keep fighting shot/diminished fighters is a bit of a piss take.
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Not far off 154lb at this stage in his career no, he was an emaciated teenager when he started out.
When has Martinez ever weighed within 5-10lbs even of average heavyweight 225lb?
I'm not even saying he should fight Martinez, just for him and Mayweather who are top p4p, to keep fighting shot/diminished fighters is a bit of a piss take.
what are you thinking about? martinez has problems making 160 but is too small for a SMW even at 164. there's the question about drying him out and getting him down to 154, but he'd still fuck manny. he may just loose just enough vs FMWbecause FMW is probably more comfortable at 152 now.
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Martinez was 175lbs 10 days before his last fight.
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Martinez was 175lbs 10 days before his last fight.
But you know he'd have problems with SMW like Ward, right? Pavlik and Lopez looked like cruiser weights last night. He can make 154-55 but FMW and Manny wont touch the fight, so he gets to knock out Williams again..
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But you know he'd have problems with SMW like Ward, right? Pavlik and Lopez looked like cruiser weights last night. He can make 154-55 but FMW and Manny wont touch the fight, so he gets to knock out Williams again..
Of course he would have problems , that's why you have to give credit to Manny he was a flyweight champion (112 lbs ) FFS.
PS: I agree that ODH and Mosley were BS fights.
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Of course he would have problems , that's why you have to give credit to Manny he was a flyweight champion (112 lbs ) FFS.
PS: I agree that ODH and Mosley were BS fights.
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i've given him credit for his sub 138lb fights. this Arum super lightweight and up stuff is BS. I said a younger sergio can get 7 belts if you can manufacturer his fights. He'd beat Maranda at catch weight of 163 for a vacant SMW. You can easily pick off belts with him with slobs under 160. 154, 147, 144 - just do them at catch weights.
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manny could have stayed in the 125-135lbs range fought every 3 months and racked 100 wins if he wanted....i guess people are gonna hate no matter what...
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i've given him credit for his sub 138lb fights. this Arum super lightweight and up stuff is BS. I said a younger sergio can get 7 belts if you can manufacturer his fights. He'd beat Maranda at catch weight of 163 for a vacant SMW. You can easily pick off belts with him with slobs under 160. 154, 147, 144 - just do them at catch weights.
I agree , still a great fighter.
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manny could have stayed in the 125-135lbs range fought every 3 months and racked 100 wins if he wanted....i guess people are gonna hate no matter what...
no body is hating on manny. it's a BS game letting his camp cherry him thru a welterweight division and saying he is the best ever when he isnt even unify with the current champs. that was unheard of in the days of ray leonard, duran and hearns at 147.
he (arum) 's getting paid, so it's all good.
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what are you thinking about? martinez has problems making 160 but is too small for a SMW even at 164. there's the question about drying him out and getting him down to 154, but he'd still fuck manny. he may just loose just enough vs FMWbecause FMW is probably more comfortable at 152 now.
First sentence i was referring to Manny.
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He also has no fucking defence against anyone that can counter punch well.
L0L M0SLEY IS A C0UNTER PUNCHER AND LANDED M0RE CLEAN SH0TS 0N MAYWEATHER THAN 0N MANNY.
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Bitch Gimmick, go look at Arum's comments. Why aren't FMW and Manny avoiding fights?
IFBB Champ 147
WBA Champ 147
Ortiz 147
Berto 147
Martinez 153 (in the mix now)
Judah's name was brought up to Arum, and he said NO at 143 but YES to Marquez at the weight
Bradley is the consensus fighter if Manny fights a young black fighter but has marshmellow hands and has to inflate up to 147 like Marquez. Good win for Manny if Arum lets it happen.
Manny is basically fighting guys coming off bad performances or just at the end of the road. I don't blame, Manny, blame Arum's bank account, because Manny will be a broke Bitch in the Fils in 10 yrs, but he'll have his state salary.
MARTINEZ WALKS AR0UND AT 185 LBS. WHY THE FUCK W0ULD MANNY FIGHT S0ME0NE THAT BIG WH0 CUTS THAT MUCH WEIGHT? IT MAKES N0 SENSE. N0NE 0F TH0SE 0THER FIGHTERS W0ULD P0SE A CHALLENGE T0 MANNY. Y0U'RE N0T MAKING SENSE N0W.
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that's not the point...point is pacman is fighting 5 weight classes above where he should be and people still wanna discredit him because he hasnt fought this or that person...lets see martinez go up 5-6-7-8 weight classes then on top of that tell him to fight the absolute best in those classes or he's cherry picking...Im a martinez fan btw....
the fight is mayweather and that fight isnt/hasnt happened because of mayweather not pacman...
THIS MANNY IS A TRUE 135 LBER. HE WEIGHS IN AT 142 LBS F0R M0ST 0F HIS FIGHTS AND THE FUCKING M0R0NS ARE SAYING HE'S DUCKING MARTINEZ. FUCKING N00BS WHEN IT C0MES T0 B0XING.
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haha,ok thong
HE'S JUST TR0LLING
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MARTINEZ WALKS AR0UND AT 185 LBS. WHY THE FUCK W0ULD MANNY FIGHT S0ME0NE THAT BIG WH0 CUTS THAT MUCH WEIGHT? IT MAKES N0 SENSE. N0NE 0F TH0SE 0THER FIGHTERS W0ULD P0SE A CHALLENGE T0 MANNY. Y0U'RE N0T MAKING SENSE N0W.
Better fights regardless. It does get confusing with the sheer ammount of weight cutting granted.
Your other post is a contradiction in terms. If he weighs 142 lb dry and shredded then how the fuck is he a true 135lb, where is the weight coming off?
Nobody said he is ducking Martinez, but his stay at welter just like Floyd's hasn't been against the best opposition, in fact it's completely handpicked based on styles/diminished fighters.
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Better fights regardless. It does get confusing with the sheer ammount of weight cutting granted.
Your other post is a contradiction in terms. If he weighs 142 lb dry and shredded then how the fuck is he a true 135lb, where is the weight coming off?
Nobody said he is ducking Martinez, but his stay at welter just like Floyd's hasn't been against the best opposition, in fact it's completely handpicked based on styles/diminished fighters.
SIGH. N0T DRY AND SHREDDED. HE D0SEN'T CUT WATER WEIGHT LIKE THE 0THER FIGHTS. EVERY0NE ELSE D0ES. HE M0VED UP 7 WEIGHT CLASSES ALREADY FR0M 105 T0 150? D0 Y0U WANT HIM T0 G0 T0 HEAVYWEIGHT N0W? WHAT BETTER FIGHTS ARE 0UT THERE F0R HIM T0 FIGHT? JUDAH IS N0T AT THE SAME LEVEL AS M0SLEY 0R C0TT0. BRADLEY AND 0RTIZ ARE N0T T0P CLASS FIGHTERS AND MANNY W0ULD WIN EASILY. BERT0 WAS C0NSIDERED THE NEXT BIG THING AND WAS CLEARLY 0VERRATED WHEN HE L0ST. THE 0NLY PERS0N F0R MANNY LEFT T0 FIGHT IS MAYWEATHER.
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, but his stay at welter just like Floyd's hasn't been against the best opposition, in fact it's completely handpicked based on styles/diminished fighters.
These are the current champs : welter, Ortiz ,Zaveck ans Senchenko
superwelter,Cotto ,Alvarez ,Bundrage.
Would you give him credit if he beat any of these fighters?
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SIGH. N0T DRY AND SHREDDED. HE D0SEN'T CUT WATER WEIGHT LIKE THE 0THER FIGHTS. EVERY0NE ELSE D0ES. HE M0VED UP 7 WEIGHT CLASSES ALREADY FR0M 105 T0 150? D0 Y0U WANT HIM T0 G0 T0 HEAVYWEIGHT N0W?
I'm not to fussed what he does, but if you choose to campaign at a certain weight then you should fight the top fighters, also without weight cutting stipulations to drain fighters. If that's too much then don't fight at said weight.
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These are the current champs : welter, Ortiz ,Zaveck ans Senchenko
superwelter,Cotto ,Alvarez ,Bundrage.
Would you give him credit if he beat any of these fighters?
FUNNY THING IS HE ALREADY BEAT C0TT0 WH0'S BETTER THAN ANY 0F TH0SE 0THER FIGHTERS THERE. THEY'RE EITHER HATERS 0R JUST N00BS WHEN IT C0MES T0 B0XING.
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FUNNY THING IS HE ALREADY BEAT C0TT0 WH0'S BETTER THAN ANY 0F TH0SE 0THER FIGHTERS THERE. THEY'RE EITHER HATERS 0R JUST N00BS WHEN IT C0MES T0 B0XING.
You are right , the problem is the competition that Pacquiao is facing, Cotto is the best fighter he ever faced at welter and there is nobody with esclusion of Mayweather at the level of Pacquiao!
The only way for Pacquiao to test himself would be fighting Martinez at 154 and defend his Junior middleweight belt!
The problem today with boxing nowdays are the the ridicolous 17 weight class and the absurd 4 alphabet world belt (WBA,WBO,WBC,IBF)!
How the fuck can you call yourself world champion and title holder of one of the mentioned belt when there are another 3 world champion with a world champion belt!
And 17 weight class is total bullshit too!
Boxing should go back to the original 8 weight class (no junior or super bullshit weight class attached to the original weight class) and only 1 unified world champion belt in order to regain the prestige it once had! And one more thing no more bullshit catchweight,if you fight for a welterweight world belt you fight until 147 not one once less!
Boxing is dying because of that and young kids that are in to fighting sport have allready switched to MMA!
That is sad because I love boxing and I don't care of MMA at all, but boxing have done this to himself!
Too much money ,to many unscroupolus promoter and corrupted boxing organization are killing this moribund sport that lack of new talent!
When Robinson and Armstrong were world champion there was only one world belt and only 8 weight class!
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By the way after watching the fight last night between Pacquiao vs Mosley, I think Mosley should call himself Sugar SHAME Mosley now for the cowardly way he handled himself in the ring!
He got paid 5 million dollars and never once took the risk to attack Pacquiao, at least Margarito tried so Cotto too!
African-american boxer used to be the best and now are a joke , just like what the sport is becaming!
Were are the great african-american boxing warriors of the 80 ,the Pryor,the Hagler,the Hearns etc...?
Now we have coward like Mayweather who duck anybody who has chance to beat him,coward like Mosley that pocket 5 million dollars and never tryed to punch Pacquiao for fear to be hurted by counter-punches,and boring fighter like Bradley and Alexander and Dawson!
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By the way after watching the fight last night between Pacquiao vs Mosley, I think Mosley should call himself Sugar SHAME Mosley now for the cowardly way he handled himself in the ring!
He got paid 5 million dollars and never once took the risk to attack Pacquiao, at least Margarito tried so Cotto too!
African-american boxer used to be the best and now are a joke , just like what the sport is becaming!
Were are the great african-american boxing warriors of the 80 ,the Pryor,the Hagler,the Hearns etc...?
Now we have coward like Mayweather who duck anybody who has chance to beat him,coward like Mosley that pocket 5 million dollars and never tryed to punch Pacquiao for fear to be hurted by counter-punches,and boring fighter like Bradley and Alexander and Dawson!
pac got $25M for high fives. Arum jacked everyone including the PPV audience and Golden Boy.
Arum is about to rob people again in Oct with Marquez who will get a $5M payday too.
FMW gets credit for Ortiz if all goes well. Young, Aggressive, Coming off of his Best Fight, a legit win over Berto who people said FMW or Manny should have fought. His technique is shit but who has technique equal to FMW, not even those euro champs (IFBB and WBA) who wont fight him in Vegas.
Sergio? - He has a punch probably equal to a good 168 fighter. In the REAL world, not playing message board warriors, FMW or Manny would need him to take the fight at 150, so he loses some muscle, some of the 160 power and stamina which his camp wont take since he has problems making 160 now. That's similar to Oscar going down to 144 when he fought Manny, nothing in his tank after a couple of rounds vs a full 154 when he fought FMW. That's how you treat a fight with a TRUE 147 vs Sergio.
I'd be more comfortable with Manny vs Berto instead of Marquez He has a lost now, so that shouldnt be a problem for Roach and Arum. Problem even with the lost, he can throw serious leather. You think little Manny would have gotten up from the right he dropped on a 160 lb (his weight at the bell) Ortiz.
I think we're getting close to Manny vs FMW in 2012. An Arab country put a $110M bid on the table for the fight in 2012
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Manny is a great fighter, but even his biggest fans have to admit he is handled PERFECTLY.
he always fights guys on his terms
Even when he fights guys bigger...that's their only advantage. .. he's always the guy with the superior physical tools in the ring be it speed or power
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The sound of that punch never gets old .
Good stuff. Turned Paul completely off. Sergio put A LOT of power behind that shot man. lol
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You are right , the problem is the competition that Pacquiao is facing, Cotto is the best fighter he ever faced at welter and there is nobody with esclusion of Mayweather at the level of Pacquiao!
The only way for Pacquiao to test himself would be fighting Martinez at 154 and defend his Junior middleweight belt!
The problem today with boxing nowdays are the the ridicolous 17 weight class and the absurd 4 alphabet world belt (WBA,WBO,WBC,IBF)!
How the fuck can you call yourself world champion and title holder of one of the mentioned belt when there are another 3 world champion with a world champion belt!
And 17 weight class is total bullshit too!
Boxing should go back to the original 8 weight class (no junior or super bullshit weight class attached to the original weight class) and only 1 unified world champion belt in order to regain the prestige it once had! And one more thing no more bullshit catchweight,if you fight for a welterweight world belt you fight until 147 not one once less!
Boxing is dying because of that and young kids that are in to fighting sport have allready switched to MMA!
That is sad because I love boxing and I don't care of MMA at all, but boxing have done this to himself!
Too much money ,to many unscroupolus promoter and corrupted boxing organization are killing this moribund sport that lack of new talent!
When Robinson and Armstrong were world champion there was only one world belt and only 8 weight class!
WHY W0ULD MANNY FIGHT A GUY WH0 WALKS AT 185 LBS WHILE MANNY WALKS AR0UND AT 140 LBS? THIS MAKES N0 SENSE. HE D0SEN'T NEED T0 FIGHT A GUY 4 WEIGHT CLASSES UP T0 TEST HIMSELF.
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Manny is a great fighter, but even his biggest fans have to admit he is handled PERFECTLY.
he always fights guys on his terms
Even when he fights guys bigger...that's their only advantage. .. he's always the guy with the superior physical tools in the ring be it speed or power
M0SLEY IS 0NE 0F THE FASTEST FIGHTERS T0DAY REGARDLESS 0F AGE AND W0ULD PUMMEL ANY 0F THE CHAMPS INCLUDING JUDAH.
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WHY W0ULD MANNY FIGHT A GUY WH0 WALKS AT 185 LBS WHILE MANNY WALKS AR0UND AT 140 LBS? THIS MAKES N0 SENSE. HE D0SEN'T NEED T0 FIGHT A GUY 4 WEIGHT CLASSES UP T0 TEST HIMSELF.
M0SLEY IS 0NE 0F THE FASTEST FIGHTERS T0DAY REGARDLESS 0F AGE AND W0ULD PUMMEL ANY 0F THE CHAMPS INCLUDING JUDAH.
gimmick crack, what you think margo walking weight is and he is bigger than martinez? continued stupidity.
mosley is done, and judah isn't far behind but he would have been a better fight for manny at 143. that's why arum passed. dude done won his last 4-5 fights under 147 in which he lost 6 fights. doesnt that tell you something?
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gimmick crack, what you think margo walking weight is and he is bigger than martinez? continued stupidity.
mosley is done, and judah isn't far behind but he would have been a better fight for manny at 143. that's why arum passed. dude done won his last 4-5 fights under 147 in which he lost 6 fights. doesnt that tell you something?
Y0U REALLY ARE CLUELESS WHEN IT C0MES T0 B0XING. MARTINEZ IS MUCH BIGGER THAN MARGRATI0. MARINTEZ WALKS AR0UND AT 185 LBS MAX C0ME FIGHT NIGHT. MARGARTI0 WAS 160 LBS C0ME FIGHT TIME AGAINST MANNY. MARTINEZ F0UGHT PAUL WILLIAMS AT 160 LBS AND CUT WEIGHT T0 MAKE THAT. MANNY WEIGHS IN AT 142 LBS WITH0UT CUTTING WATER WEIGHT. THAT'S A 40 LB ADVANTAGE AND 4 WEIGHT CLASSES Y0U FUCKING M0R0N. HE'S BEEN FIGHTING UNDER 147. YES IT TELLS ME HE SH0ULDN'T FIGHT S0ME0NE WH0 C0MES IN AT FIGHT TIME WEIGHING 180 LBS. HE WEIGHS IN AT 142 LBS. WHY W0ULD HE FIGHT AB0VE 147 LBS. JUDAH L0ST T0 CL0TTEY F0R CRYING 0UT L0UD WH0 MANNY DEM0LISHED AND Y0U THINK HE'D GIVE MANNY A BETTER FIGHT? 0KAY Y0U'RE EITHER A C0MPLETE M0R0N 0R JUST A STUPID TR0LL. N0T A VERY FUNNY 0NE EITHER.
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WHY W0ULD MANNY FIGHT A GUY WH0 WALKS AT 185 LBS WHILE MANNY WALKS AR0UND AT 140 LBS? THIS MAKES N0 SENSE. HE D0SEN'T NEED T0 FIGHT A GUY 4 WEIGHT CLASSES UP T0 TEST HIMSELF.
Listen to me Asbrus , I like Pacquiao, but he is a world champion at 154 (title holder of the WBC Junior middleweight belt) and because of that he should fight at that weight with a legitimate opponent like Martinez.
If you are world champion on that weight class you should fight the best in the world at the limit of that weight class, not one once less!
I am not saying he should fight Martinez at 160 unless Pacquiao want also the world middleweight belt , but should fight Martinez at 154 since he is the Junior middleweight champion of the world and defend is belt!
The Greats of the past did it (Robinson,Armstrong and others too) and remember at that time there was only one world champion belt and only 8 weight class!
If Pacquiao want to belong in that categorie of the all time Greats at the level of Armstrong and Robinson that is what he should do:fight the best at the weight class you are world champion and not ducking the best like that coward of Mayweather!
And believe me even if Pacquiao lose at 154 with Martinez his legacy won't be diminished because his past accomplishment are so great that nobody can disregard it!
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Listen to me Asbrus , I like Pacquiao, but he is a world champion at 154 (title holder of the WBC Junior middleweight belt) and because of that he should fight at that weight with a legitimate opponent like Martinez.
If you are world champion on that weight class you should fight the best in the world at the limit of that weight class, not one once less!
I am not saying he should fight Martinez at 160 unless Pacquiao want also the world middleweight belt , but should fight Martinez at 154 since he is the Junior middleweight champion of the world and defend is belt!
The Greats of the past did it (Robinson,Armstrong and others too) and remember at that time there was only one world champion belt and only 8 weight class!
If Pacquiao want to belong in that categorie of the all time Greats at the level of Armstrong and Robinson that is what he should do:fight the best at the weight class you are world champion and not ducking the best like that coward of Mayweather!
And believe me even if Pacquiao lose at 154 with Martinez his legacy won't be diminished because his past accomplishment are so great that nobody can disregard it!
FIRST 0F ALL MARTINEZ D0SEN'T EVEN FIGHT AT 154 LBS ANYM0RE. HE W0ULD HAVE T0 CUT 30 LBS 0F WATER WEIGHT T0 MAKE WEIGHT. ALS0, MANNY D0SEN'T HAVE T0 D0 ANYTHING. THE FIGHTERS AGREE T0 FIGHT HIM AT THAT WEIGHT. MANNY IS ALREADY D0ING EVERY0NE A FAV0R BY FIGHTING AT THAT WEIGHT. HE F0UGHT NEAR THAT WEIGHT BECAUSE 0F LACK 0F C0MPETITI0N. HE'S A VERY SMALL 147 LBER. ACTUALLY MANNY SH0ULD BE FIGHTING AT 135-140 LBS. HE'S WEIGHING IN AT A 142 LBS FIGHTING AT 154 LBS. 0BVI0USLY, HE'S N0T G0ING T0 FACE A GUY WEIGHING 180 LBS. IT'S C0MM0N SENSE. YAH MANNY IT'S N0T FAIR/ ST0P WEIGHING IN AT 142 LBS AT BEATING GUYS 25 LBS HEAVIER THAN Y0U. WHY D0N'T Y0U FIGHT A GUY WH0 WEIGHS IN AT 185 LBS C0ME FIGHT NIGHT N0W? END SARCASMS HERE.
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M0SLEY IS 0NE 0F THE FASTEST FIGHTERS T0DAY REGARDLESS 0F AGE AND W0ULD PUMMEL ANY 0F THE CHAMPS INCLUDING JUDAH.
ummm it's 2011, not 2003. Shane Mosley's been SHOT for a while now
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WHY W0ULD MANNY FIGHT A GUY WH0 WALKS AT 185 LBS WHILE MANNY WALKS AR0UND AT 140 LBS? THIS MAKES N0 SENSE. HE D0SEN'T NEED T0 FIGHT A GUY 4 WEIGHT CLASSES UP T0 TEST HIMSELF.
this^ all day long...
people on this of all forums(suposedly a bodybuilding forum)...should know all about weight manipulation...pacman cuts zero lbs to fight guys that cut weight to make the 150's...but thats not good enough for the haters they want a guy that in all reality should be fighting in the 130's to fight guys that walk around in 180's...while were at it lets have gsp fight overeem...you know to prove GSP is the best ::) ...& have martinez fight klitschko you know...just to test himself ::) ...
these guys dont appreciate or obviously dont understand weight cutting...or they are just trolling...
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this^ all day long...
people on this of all forums(suposedly a bodybuilding forum)...should know all about weight manipulation...pacman cuts zero lbs to fight guys that cut weight to make the 150's...but thats not good enough for the haters they want a guy that in all reality should be fighting in the 130's to fight guys that walk around in 180's...while were at it lets have gsp fight overeem...you know to prove GSP is the best ::) ...& have martinez fight klitschko you know...just to test himself ::) ...
these guys dont appreciate or obviously dont understand weight cutting...or they are just trolling...
I THINK IT'S A C0MBINATI0N 0F B0TH BUT M0RE 0F THEM N0T KN0WING ANYTHING AB0UT THE SP0RT 0F B0XING AND WEIGHT CUTTING.
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FIRST 0F ALL MARTINEZ D0SEN'T EVEN FIGHT AT 154 LBS ANYM0RE. HE W0ULD HAVE T0 CUT 30 LBS 0F WATER WEIGHT T0 MAKE WEIGHT. ALS0, MANNY D0SEN'T HAVE T0 D0 ANYTHING. THE FIGHTERS AGREE T0 FIGHT HIM AT THAT WEIGHT. MANNY IS ALREADY D0ING EVERY0NE A FAV0R BY FIGHTING AT THAT WEIGHT. HE F0UGHT NEAR THAT WEIGHT BECAUSE 0F LACK 0F C0MPETITI0N. HE'S A VERY SMALL 147 LBER. ACTUALLY MANNY SH0ULD BE FIGHTING AT 135-140 LBS. HE'S WEIGHING IN AT A 142 LBS FIGHTING AT 154 LBS. 0BVI0USLY, HE'S N0T G0ING T0 FACE A GUY WEIGHING 180 LBS. IT'S C0MM0N SENSE. YAH MANNY IT'S N0T FAIR/ ST0P WEIGHING IN AT 142 LBS AT BEATING GUYS 25 LBS HEAVIER THAN Y0U. WHY D0N'T Y0U FIGHT A GUY WH0 WEIGHS IN AT 185 LBS C0ME FIGHT NIGHT N0W? END SARCASMS HERE.
Sergio Martinez fought at 153 1/4 in 2009 against Kermit Cintron and it is only 5'10'. There is no way that he fought at 185 on fight night!
Sergio is 1 inch shorter than Margarito that got destroyed by Pacquiao last november at 165 fight night (after he rehidrated himself from 150 at weight in)
Martinez could easy weight 154 at the weight in and fight Pacquiao for the Junior Middleweight belt that Pac hold!
Pacquiao will be weighting for sure less than 150 on the fight night and would be at disavantage against the bigger Martinez , like he was against Margarito 147 Pac vs 165 Margarito on fight night!
Henry Armstrong never complain about the fact that he alwais was lighter and smaller than all his opponent and became 3 weight class world champion at the same time in an era when there was only 8 weight classes and one world champion belt!
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Sergio Martinez fought at 153 1/4 in 2009 against Kermit Cintron and it is only 5'10'. There is no way that he fought at 185 on fight night!
Sergio is 1 inch shorter than Margarito that got destroyed by Pacquiao last november at 165 fight night (after he rehidrated himself from 150 at weight in)
Martinez could easy weight 154 at the weight in and fight Pacquiao for the Junior Middleweight belt that Pac hold!
Pacquiao will be weighting for sure less than 150 on the fight night and would be at disavantage against the bigger Martinez , like he was against Margarito 147 Pac vs 165 Margarito on fight night!
Henry Armstrong never complain about the fact that he alwais was lighter and smaller than all his opponent and became 3 weight class world champion at the same time in an era when there was only 8 weight classes and one world champion belt!
THIS WAS 2009. 2009 IS N0T 2012. MARTINEZ CAN N0 L0NGER MAKE 153. HE F0UGHT WILLIAMS AT 160 AND CAME IN AT 185 FIGHT NIGHT. I SAW THE FUCKING FIGHT. I KN0W. IF MARTINEZ WEIGHED IN AT 154 S0MEH0W HE'D C0ME IN FIGHT NIGHT AT 174 AND MANNY W0ULD BE 145. THAT'S 4 WEIGHT CLASSES AB0VE. FIGHTERS WEREN'T CUTTING WEIGHT BACK THEN AS MUCH AS THEY ARE N0W 24 H0URS BEF0RE. IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME AND WHEN HE M0VED UP IN WEIGHT HE WASN'T 0UT WEIGHED 40 LBS.
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This Legend is only 1/2 a inch taller than Pacquiao but tested himself against bigger and younger opponents on his way to became Junior middleweight champion of the world and Middleweight champion of the world and an all time greats !
Duran was 33 at the time he became Junior Middleweight champion of the world!
Duran was 37 at the time he became Middleweight champion of the world
Guess what? If you want to be a LEGEND and be recognized an all time great Pac should do what Duran did!
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This Legend is only 1/2 a inch taller than Pacquiao but tested himself against bigger and younger opponents on his way to became Junior middleweight champion of the world and Middleweight champion of the world and an all time greats !
Duran was 33 at the time he became Junior Middleweight champion of the world!
Duran was 37 at the time he became Middleweight champion of the world
Guess what? If you want to be a LEGEND and be recognized an all time great Pac should do what Duran did!
WTF? I'M N0T SURE IF Y0U'RE BEING SERI0US 0R TR0LLING . FIRST 0F ALL, DURAN IS N0T EVEN 0N THE SAME LEVEL AS MANNY. HE'D GET PUMMELED BY MANNY. DURAN 0NLY M0VED UP 4 WEIGHT CLASSES FR0M 135- 160. THAT IS 0NLY 25 LBS. MANNY WENT UP 53 FUCKING LBS. MANNY HAS W0N 8 W0RLD TITLES IN 8 DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES FR0M 103 T0 154. N0 0NE HAS M0VED UP AS MUCH WEIGHT AS MANNY. N0W Y0U WANT HIM T0 G0 UP AN0THER 4 WEIGHT CLASSES T0 MAKE IT 12 T0 PR0VE HIMSELF? 0KAY PR00F Y0U'RE A TR0LL.
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You said 154 world champion !
This is the weight were he should fight Martinez since Pac is the title holder!
Believe me Martinez would come down at 154 no problem in order to have the chance to fight Pacquiao!
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You said 154 world champion !
This is the weight were he should fight Martinez since Pac is the title holder!
Believe me Martinez would come down at 154 no problem in order to have the chance to fight Pacquiao!
0NLY PR0BLEM IS WHAT MANNY DID IS FAR M0RE IMPRESSIVE THAN WHAT DURAN 0R ARMSTR0NG DID. MANNY F0UGHT AT 154 LBS WHEN HE WAS 0NLY REALLY 142 LBS. S0 HE WAS A 140 LBER FIGHTING 2 WEIGHT CLASSES AB0VE. MANNY D0SEN'T NEED T0 D0 ANYTHING ANYM0RE. HE'S ALREADY D0NE WHAT N0 0THER B0XER HAS D0NE. HE CAN RETIRE N0W AND STILL BE 0NE 0F THE GREATEST BUT HE D0SEN'T NEED T0 FIGHT A GUY WH0'S G0ING T0 SH0W UP FIGHT TIME AT 174 IF HE MAKES 154. N0 0NE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND W0ULD D0 THAT. IT'S INSANITY F0R HIM T0 TRY THAT. MANNY W0ULD BE 0UTWEIGHED BY 30 LBS C0ME FIGHT TIME SINCE HE ALWAYS WEIGH INS L0W 140'S AND NEVER CUTS WATER.
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0NLY PR0BLEM IS WHAT MANNY DID IS FAR M0RE IMPRESSIVE THAN WHAT DURAN 0R ARMSTR0NG DID. MANNY F0UGHT AT 154 LBS WHEN HE WAS 0NLY REALLY 142 LBS. S0 HE WAS A 140 LBER FIGHTING 2 WEIGHT CLASSES AB0VE. MANNY D0SEN'T NEED T0 D0 ANYTHING ANYM0RE. HE'S ALREADY D0NE WHAT N0 0THER B0XER HAS D0NE. HE CAN RETIRE N0W AND STILL BE 0NE 0F THE GREATEST BUT HE D0SEN'T NEED T0 FIGHT A GUY WH0'S G0ING T0 SH0W UP FIGHT TIME AT 174 IF HE MAKES 154. N0 0NE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND W0ULD D0 THAT. IT'S INSANITY F0R HIM T0 TRY THAT. MANNY W0ULD BE 0UTWEIGHED BY 30 LBS C0ME FIGHT TIME SINCE HE ALWAYS WEIGH INS L0W 140'S AND NEVER CUTS WATER.
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For how great Pacquiao he is at lightweight, he would lose with Duran!
Even Freddy Roach said that!
listen the interview!
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For how great Pacquiao he is at lightweight, he would lose with Duran!
Even Freddy Roach said that!
listen the interview!
THAT WAS M0RE 0F A RESPECT T0 DURAN IF ANYTHING. R0ACH KN0WS MANNY KILL HIM. DURAN IS THE M0ST 0VERRATED FIGHTER IN B0XING HIST0RY. HIS BEST WIN WAS AGAINST LE0NARD AND THEN HE G0T HIS ASS KICKED 2ND TIME.
HE'S 1-5 AGAINST THE ALL TIME GREATS. HE L0ST T0 BENITEZ AND KIRLAND IN HIS PRIME WH0 ARE N0T EVEN THAT G00D.
Taken from Ryan Manquinana's interview with Roach.
RM : The two boxing greats who Mannys been compared to as of late, due to his success in moving up multiple weight classes are Roberto Duran and Pernell Whitaker. How do you think Manny would match up with them at 135?
FR : Its tough to compare eras, of course. Pernell was a great boxer, and Manny has trouble with the counter-punching style a little bit, but I dont think Pernell could stand the pressure. With Duran, I think Manny could beat him. Duran was a ballsy guy; he liked to fight, but, you know, No Más made me wonder if he had any quit in him. In the past, at [lightweight], I picked Duran to win, but this time I think Manny would win by decision now.
THAT WAS ALS0 BEF0RE MANNY BEAT HATT0N AND DE LA H0YA. N0W HE'D PR0BABLY SAY MANNY BY K0. DURAN WAS T00 SL0W F0R MANNY AND IT W0ULD BE EASY TARGET PRACTICE.
103 Wins (70 knockouts, 32 decisions, 1 retirement), 16 Losses (4 knockouts, 12 decisions) [4]
Res. Opponent Type Rd., Time Date Location Notes
Loss Héctor Camacho Decision (unan.) 12 (12) 2001-07-14 Denver, Colorado Lost NBA Super-Middleweight title.
Win Patrick Goossen Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 2000-08-12 Toppenish, Washington
Win Pat Lawlor Decision (unan.) 12 (12) 2000-06-16 Panama City, Panama Won NBA Super-Middleweight title.
Loss Omar Gonzalez Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1999-03-06 Buenos Aires, Argentina
Loss William Joppy TKO 3 (12), 2:54 1998-08-28 Las Vegas, Nevada Fight was for WBA Middleweight title.
Win Felix Jose Hernandez Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1998-01-31 Panama City, Panama
Win David Radford Decision (unan.) 8 (8) 1997-11-15 Temba, South Africa
Win Jorge Fernando Castro Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1997-06-14 Panama City, Panama
Loss Jorge Fernando Castro Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1997-02-15 Buenos Aires, Argentina
Win Mike Culbert TKO 6 (10) 1996-09-27 Chester, West Virginia
Win Ariel Cruz KO 1 (10) 1996-08-31 Panama City, Panama
Loss Héctor Camacho Decision (unan.) 12 (12) 1996-06-22 Atlantic City, New Jersey Fight was for IBC Middleweight title.
Win Ray Domenge Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1996-02-20 Miami, Florida
Win Wilbur Garst TKO 4 (10) 1995-12-21 Fort Lauderdale, Florida
Win Roni Martinez TKO 7 (10), 2:59 1995-06-10 Kansas City, Missouri
Loss Vinny Pazienza Decision (unan.) 12 (12) 1995-01-14 Atlantic City, New Jersey Fight was for IBC Super-Middleweight title.
Win Heath Todd TKO 7 (10) 1994-10-18 Bay Saint Louis, Mississippi
Loss Vinny Pazienza Decision (unan.) 12 (12) 1994-06-25 Las Vegas, Nevada Fight was for IBC Super-Middleweight title.
Win Terry Thomas TKO 4 (10) 1994-03-29 Bay Saint Louis, Mississippi
Win Carlos Montero Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1994-02-22 Marseille, France
Win Tony Menefee TKO 8 (10) 1993-12-14 Bay Saint Louis, Mississippi
Win Sean Fitzgerald KO 6 (10) 1993-08-17 Bay Saint Louis, Mississippi
Win Jacques LeBlanc Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1993-06-29 Bay Saint Louis, Mississippi
Win Ken Hulsey KO 2 (10), 2:45 1992-12-17 Cleveland, Ohio
Win Tony Biglen Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1992-09-30 Buffalo, New York
Loss Pat Lawlor TKO 6 (10), 1:50 1991-03-18 Las Vegas, Nevada
Loss Sugar Ray Leonard Decision (unan.) 12 (12) 1989-12-07 Las Vegas, Nevada Fight was for WBC Super-Middleweight title.
Win Iran Barkley Decision (split) 12 (12) 1989-02-24 Atlantic City, New Jersey Won WBC Middleweight title.
Win Jeff Lanas Decision (split) 10 (10) 1988-10-01 Chicago, Illinois
Win Paul Thorn Retirement 6 (10) 1988-04-14 Atlantic City, New Jersey
Win Ricky Stackhouse Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1988-02-05 Atlantic City, New Jersey
Win Juan Ferreyra Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1987-09-12 Miami, Florida
Win Victor Claudio Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1987-05-16 Miami, Florida
Loss Robbie Sims Decision (split) 10 (10) 1986-06-23 Caesars Palace, Las Vegas
Win Jorge Suero KO 2 (10), 1:45 1986-04-18 Panama City, Panama
Win Manuel Zambrano KO 2 (10), 2:57 1986-01-31 Panama City, Panama
Loss Thomas Hearns KO 2 (15) 1984-06-15 Caesars Palace, Las Vegas Fight was for WBC Light-Middleweight title.
Loss Marvin Hagler Decision (unan.) 15 (15) 1983-11-10 Caesars Palace, Las Vegas Fight was for WBA, WBC and IBF Middleweight titles.
Win Davey Moore TKO 8 (15), 2:02 1983-06-16 Madison Square Garden, New York City Won WBC Light Middleweight title
Win Pipino Cuevas TKO 4 (12), 2:26 1983-01-29 Los Angeles, California
Win Jimmy Batten Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1982-11-12 Miami, Florida
Loss Kirkland Laing Decision (split) 10 (10) 1982-09-04 Detroit, Michigan
Loss Wilfred Benítez Decision (unan.) 15 (15) 1982-01-30 Caesars Palace, Las Vegas Fight was for WBC Light Middleweight title.
Win Luigi Minchillo Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1981-09-26 Caesars Palace, Las Vegas
Win Nino Gonzalez Decision (unan.) 10 (10) 1981-08-09 Cleveland, Ohio
Loss Sugar Ray Leonard TKO 8 (15), 2:44 1980-11-25 New Orleans, Louisiana The "No Más Fight"; lost WBC Welterweight title.
Win Sugar Ray Leonard Decision
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LOL! :D
Freddy Roach lying about his favorite pupil in order to show respect to Duran who problably he never met !
You call me troll for saying the same thing Roach said!
I think you are a young teenager who justed started watching boxing after the year 2000 and really don't know shit about the great of the past!
I have been a fans of the sport for over 25 years and Pacquiao is my favorite fighter now, but Duran believe me when I tell you that Duran was better than Pacquiao!
Duran fought and lost a close decision at middleweight with a prime Hagler (the second best middleweight of all time) , a man that would kill Martinez with ease.
Duran won against one of the greatest welterweight of all time Ray Leonard when Leonard was at his prime!
The problem with Duran is that he was never consistent with his training habit and eating habit like Pacquiao and sametime he got to out of shape close to the fight night!
Duran was a natural lightweight!
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people on this of all forums(suposedly a bodybuilding forum)...should know all about weight manipulation...pacman cuts zero lbs to fight guys that cut weight to make the 150's...but thats not good enough for the haters they want a guy that in all reality should be fighting in the 130's to fight guys that walk around in 180's...while were at it lets have gsp fight overeem...you know to prove GSP is the best ::) ...& have martinez fight klitschko you know...just to test himself ::) ...
these guys dont appreciate or obviously dont understand weight cutting...or they are just trolling...
FIRST 0F ALL MARTINEZ D0SEN'T EVEN FIGHT AT 154 LBS ANYM0RE. HE W0ULD HAVE T0 CUT 30 LBS 0F WATER WEIGHT T0 MAKE WEIGHT. ALS0, MANNY D0SEN'T HAVE T0 D0 ANYTHING. THE FIGHTERS AGREE T0 FIGHT HIM AT THAT WEIGHT. MANNY IS ALREADY D0ING EVERY0NE A FAV0R BY FIGHTING AT THAT WEIGHT. HE F0UGHT NEAR THAT WEIGHT BECAUSE 0F LACK 0F C0MPETITI0N. HE'S A VERY SMALL 147 LBER. ACTUALLY MANNY SH0ULD BE FIGHTING AT 135-140 LBS. HE'S WEIGHING IN AT A 142 LBS FIGHTING AT 154 LBS. 0BVI0USLY, HE'S N0T G0ING T0 FACE A GUY WEIGHING 180 LBS. IT'S C0MM0N SENSE. YAH MANNY IT'S N0T FAIR/ ST0P WEIGHING IN AT 142 LBS AT BEATING GUYS 25 LBS HEAVIER THAN Y0U. WHY D0N'T Y0U FIGHT A GUY WH0 WEIGHS IN AT 185 LBS C0ME FIGHT NIGHT N0W? END SARCASMS HERE.
these 2 post say it all and can not be argued with...anyone that has cut weight for a bodybuilding show or a fight know as much...
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LOL! :D
Freddy Roach lying about his favorite pupil in order to show respect to Duran who problably he never met !
You call me troll for saying the same thing Roach said!
I think you are a young teenager who justed started watching boxing after the year 2000 and really don't know shit about the great of the past!
I have been a fans of the sport for over 25 years and Pacquiao is my favorite fighter now, but Duran believe me when I tell you that Duran was better than Pacquiao!
Duran fought and lost a close decision at middleweight with a prime Hagler (the second best middleweight of all time) , a man that would kill Martinez with ease.
Duran won against one of the greatest welterweight of all time Ray Leonard when Leonard was at his prime!
The problem with Duran is that he was never consistent with his training habit and eating habit like Pacquiao and sametime he got to out of shape close to the fight night!
Duran was a natural lightweight!
I JUST SH0WED Y0U AN INTERVIEW AFTER WHAT R0ACH SAID. HE SAID MANNY W0ULD WIN. THAT WAS DURAN'S BEST WIN. AND THEN HE L0ST T0 THE GREATS IN HIS PRIME. H0NESTLY Y0U'RE THE NEWBIE IN B0XING. Y0U HAVE MADE S0 MANNY ERR0RS IN EVERY 0NE 0F Y0UR P0STS AND I HAD T0 C0RRECT THEM. Y0U SAID MARTINEZ NEVER SH0WED UP AT 185 WHEN IN HIS LAST FIGHT HE DID AGAINST WILLIAMS. Y0U SAID THAT DURAN W0N 4 TITLES BUT FAILED T0 SEE MANNY W0N 8. Y0U'RE IMPLYING BECAUSE MANNY D0SEN'T WANT T0 FIGHT A SUPER MIDDLE WEIGHT THAT HE'S DUCKING FIGHTERS.IF Y0U ACTUALLY HAD ANY B0XING KN0WLEDGE Y0U W0ULD N0T SAY 0UTRAGE0US THINGS LIKE THAT. Y0U HAVE N0 IDEA WHAT Y0U ARE TALKING AB0UT.
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I JUST SH0WED Y0U AN INTERVIEW AFTER WHAT R0ACH SAID. HE SAID MANNY W0ULD WIN. THAT WAS DURAN'S BEST WIN. AND THEN HE L0ST T0 THE GREATS IN HIS PRIME. H0NESTLY Y0U'RE THE NEWBIE IN B0XING. Y0U HAVE MADE S0 MANNY ERR0RS IN EVERY 0NE 0F Y0UR P0STS AND I HAD T0 C0RRECT THEM. Y0U SAID MARTINEZ NEVER SH0WED UP AT 185 WHEN IN HIS LAST FIGHT HE DID AGAINST WILLIAMS. Y0U SAID THAT DURAN W0N 4 TITLES BUT FAILED T0 SEE MANNY W0N 8. Y0U'RE IMPLYING BECAUSE MANNY D0SEN'T WANT T0 FIGHT A SUPER MIDDLE WEIGHT THAT HE'S DUCKING FIGHTERS.IF Y0U ACTUALLY HAD ANY B0XING KN0WLEDGE Y0U W0ULD N0T SAY 0UTRAGE0US THINGS LIKE THAT. Y0U HAVE N0 IDEA WHAT Y0U ARE TALKING AB0UT.
LOL!
I am the one that have no boxing knowlege and you are the one who said that Bernitez was not that good ,when instead he is regarded one of the best portorican boxer of all time and 3 weight class world champion!
Please explain me how Martinez weighted 185 pound against Williams when he is 5'10' and ripped on fight night!
By the way Martinez for your knowlege fought and lost and got TKO at welterweight against Margarito years ago!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfred_Ben%C3%ADtez
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LOL!
I am the one that have no boxing knowlege and you are the one who said that Bernitez was not that good ,when instead he is regarded one of the best portorican boxer of all time and 3 weight class world champion!
Please explain me how Martinez weighted 185 pound against Williams when he is 5'10' and ripped on fight night!
By the way Martinez for your knowlege fought and lost and got TKO at welterweight against Margarito years ago!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfred_Ben%C3%ADtez
C0MPARED T0 THE GREATS HE ISN'T THAT G00D AND I D0N'T C0NSIDER DURAN A T0P 10 FIGHTER AS HE IS 1-5 AGAINST THE ALL TIME GREATS. BEATING 0NE GREAT FIGHTER AND THEN L0SING T0 HIM TWICE AND HAVING L0SING STREAK D0SEN'T PUT Y0U IN THE T0P 10. DURAN WAS A PUNCHING BAG F0R HEARNS,LE0NARD,HAGLER,AND BENITEZ. JUST BECAUSE HE'S RIPPED D0SEN'T MEAN HE'S N0T HEAVIER THAN 160. THEY WEIGHED IN AT 160 AND HE CUT WEIGHT T0 MAKE IT. L00K MAN B0XING HAS WEIGHT CLASSES F0R A REAS0N. Y0U S0UND LIKE A LITTLE KID WH0 WANTS T0 SEE LIGHTWEIGHTS FIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHTS.Y0U TRIED T0 MAKE A P0INT THAT MANNY IS D0DGING FIGHTERS BY CLAIMING DURAN WENT UP IN WEIGHT WHEN HE 0NLY M0VED UP 25 LBS C0MPARED T0 MANNY'S 54 LBS. I'M D0NE ARGUING WITH TR0LLS LIKE Y0U.
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C0MPARED T0 THE GREATS HE ISN'T THAT G00D AND I D0N'T C0NSIDER DURAN A T0P 10 FIGHTER AS HE IS 1-5 AGAINST THE ALL TIME GREATS. BEATING 0NE GREAT FIGHTER AND THEN L0SING T0 HIM TWICE AND HAVING L0SING STREAK D0SEN'T PUT Y0U IN THE T0P 10. DURAN WAS A PUNCHING BAG F0R HEARNS,LE0NARD,HAGLER,AND BENITEZ. JUST BECAUSE HE'S RIPPED D0SEN'T MEAN HE'S N0T HEAVIER THAN 160. THEY WEIGHED IN AT 160 AND HE CUT WEIGHT T0 MAKE IT. L00K MAN B0XING HAS WEIGHT CLASSES F0R A REAS0N. Y0U S0UND LIKE A LITTLE KID WH0 WANTS T0 SEE LIGHTWEIGHTS FIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHTS.Y0U TRIED T0 MAKE A P0INT THAT MANNY IS D0DGING FIGHTERS BY CLAIMING DURAN WENT UP IN WEIGHT WHEN HE 0NLY M0VED UP 25 LBS C0MPARED T0 MANNY'S 54 LBS. I'M D0NE ARGUING WITH TR0LLS LIKE Y0U.
Duran is ranked 6 in the all time greatest boxer list by ESPN!
http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm
END OF THE DISCUSSION!