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Beach, you live in Hawaii. 333 believes the State of Hawaii is lying about having a record of Obama's birth. Apparently you can get a certificate of live birth by just requesting it, and somehow they put a city in Hawaii on there. Have you known of any scams like this going on in Hawaii? If this is indeed true, wouldn't illegals be flooding Hawaii and requesting these documents?
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Beach, you live in Hawaii. 333 believes the State of Hawaii is lying about having a record of Obama's birth. Apparently you can get a certificate of live birth by just requesting it, and somehow they put a city in Hawaii on there. Have you known of any scams like this going on in Hawaii? If this is indeed true, wouldn't illegals be flooding Hawaii and requesting these documents?
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Bb is NOT a birther. But he's a huge 911 nutjob and believes in space aliens.
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Beach, you live in Hawaii. 333 believes the State of Hawaii is lying about having a record of Obama's birth. Apparently you can get a certificate of live birth by just requesting it, and somehow they put a city in Hawaii on there. Have you known of any scams like this going on in Hawaii? If this is indeed true, wouldn't illegals be flooding Hawaii and requesting these documents?
I'm unaware of any scams like that. I don't believe there is any merit to the birther conspiracy. Some legitimate questions have been raised, but it's really a loser of an argument IMO.
The issue of his birthplace has been settled. Both Dr. Chiyome Fukino (former state department health director) and former Governor Lingle confirmed birth records exist, whatever those records are. Neither woman is an Obama fan and had no reason to cover for him if some grand conspiracy existed. In fact, Lingle took some heat for questioning his local roots (but not his birthplace).
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The issue is what "birth records" exist. Its not a long form BC for sure and so far ambercrombie hasa only said there exists "notes" on this, whatever the hell that means.
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The issue is what "birth records" exist. Its not a long form BC for sure and so far ambercrombie hasa only said there exists "notes" on this, whatever the hell that means.
I don't think that's really an issue. Let's assume no long form BC exists and all they have are "notes." It's still the state officials who have the final say on whether those notes constitutes sufficient records to confirm his birth in Hawaii. And they've already had their say.
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That's all well and good for technicalities, but in reality its a massive con on the public.
Beach - do you realize that Obama never even stepped foot into mainland America until he was 18 y/o?
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That's all well and good for technicalities, but in reality its a massive con on the public.
Beach - do you realize that Obama never even stepped foot into mainland America until he was 18 y/o?
I wouldn't call definitive statements by a departmental director and the governor technicalities. They're the only ones who can make the determination.
Does not surprise me that he never stepped foot on the mainland till he was 18. Not much different than many other kids born in Hawaii. Why does that matter?
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I'm unaware of any scams like that. I don't believe there is any merit to the birther conspiracy. Some legitimate questions have been raised, but it's really a loser of an argument IMO.
The issue of his birthplace has been settled. Both Dr. Chiyome Fukino (former state department health director) and former Governor Lingle confirmed birth records exist, whatever those records are. Neither woman is an Obama fan had no reason to cover for him if some grand conspiracy existed. In fact, Lingle took some heat for questioning his local roots (but not his birthplace).
what are the legitimate questions?
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Side note : You really believe in space aliens?
Anyway.... the birther topic has been put to rest. Anyone still carrying it is scratching the bottom of the barrel for material. If anything kooky existed, the Clinton Machine would have found it.
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Side note : You really believe in space aliens?
Anyway.... the birther topic has been put to rest. Anyone still carrying it is scratching the bottom of the barrel for material. If anything kooky existed, the Clinton Machine would have found it.
Problem is that obama wont release his records or authorize their release. Ambercrombie set out to disprove the birthers' claims and threw his hands in the air and said he cant find a bc for obama either.
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Believing one man or believing state officials that issued it and confirmed it?
Gee. Hard question.
Keep trying.
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I'm unaware of any scams like that. I don't believe there is any merit to the birther conspiracy. Some legitimate questions have been raised, but it's really a loser of an argument IMO.
The issue of his birthplace has been settled. Both Dr. Chiyome Fukino (former state department health director) and former Governor Lingle confirmed birth records exist, whatever those records are. Neither woman is an Obama fan and had no reason to cover for him if some grand conspiracy existed. In fact, Lingle took some heat for questioning his local roots (but not his birthplace).
Thanks Beach. So the State of Hawaii is correct. I guess 333 is toast on this idea.
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Thanks Beach. So the State of Hawaii is correct. I guess 333 is toast on this idea.
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Yawn. You idiots supporting obama are playing dumb on purpose because you know he is hiding something deeply damaging to him that he could never have released to the public.
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Yawn. You idiots supporting obama are playing dumb on purpose because you know he is hiding something deeply damaging to him that he could never have released to the public.
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You just want to DAMAGE obama? It's not a question of legitimacy of president, is it?
if his mother slept around, you want the world to know. Your birther motive - to make obama look bad - reflects poorly.
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You just want to DAMAGE obama? It's not a question of legitimacy of president, is it?
if his mother slept around, you want the world to know. Your birther motive - to make obama look bad - reflects poorly.
My birther motive is that if obama is subject to blackmail from other nations who know his real birth story - we deserve to know.
He is lying and EVERYONE knows it. Yet, because he is barry the first black democrat potus, no one says a word. When Bush was POTUS we heard about his national guard records 24/7. Why the differene? Simple - white liberal guilt, 95% minority sheep behavior, and other morons too scared to deal w this.
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His mother was a documented liberal slut with interracial tendencies for Asians, blacks, Samoans, native americans, pygmies, klingons, and the like. I said in a previous thread-- Obama does not know who his father is-- which is why he won't release the document.
Racist post reported.
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His mother was a documented liberal slut with interracial tendencies for Asians, blacks, Samoans, native americans, pygmies, klingons, and the like. I said in a previous thread-- Obama does not know who his father is-- which is why he won't release the document.
Racist post reported.
LoL @ documented
btw - why not just leave out the word "post" and just say "racist reported"
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My birther motive is that if obama is subject to blackmail from other nations who know his real birth story - we deserve to know.
He is lying and EVERYONE knows it. Yet, because he is barry the first black democrat potus, no one says a word. When Bush was POTUS we heard about his national guard records 24/7. Why the differene? Simple - white liberal guilt, 95% minority sheep behavior, and other morons too scared to deal w this.
Subject to? Hahaha what an idiotic statement. You should get into fiction writing the dreams and stories you make up would make you a lot of money off CT'ers on the right.
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Subject to? Hahaha what an idiotic statement. You should get into fiction writing the dreams and stories you make up would make you a lot of money off CT'ers on the right.
Where is the long form BC signed by a doc as to where he was born? Hawaii officials say they never lost any records and the the next people in sequence to his birth records were born three days after his alleged number.
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Where is the long form BC signed by a doc as to where he was born? Hawaii officials say they never lost any records and the the next people in sequence to his birth records were born three days after his alleged number.
::) Why does it matter? According to you Hawaii is lying about him being born there so any long form is fraudulent correct? Hawaii is lying on the COLB so why would the long form be any more proof?
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::) Why does it matter? According to you Hawaii is lying about him being born there so any long form is fraudulent correct? Hawaii is lying on the COLB so why would the long form be any more proof?
The COB is pure nonsense and contains info already proven to be fraudulent.
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The COB is pure nonsense and contains info already proven to be fraudulent.
So Hawaii is lying like you said. So why would a Hawaiian long form be any less fraudulent than a COLB issued by the same state?
You can't have it both ways dude. Either Hawaii is legit and the documents it produces are real and official. Or they are committing fraud and any document relating to Obama is made up INCLUDING the long form BC. Pick one.
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So Hawaii is lying like you said. So why would a Hawaiian long form be any less fraudulent than a COLB issued by the same state?
You can't have it both ways dude. Either Hawaii is legit and the documents it produces are real and official. Or they are committing fraud and any document relating to Obama is made up INCLUDING the long form BC. Pick one.
Hawaii says its comports with what they have on record but says its "notes", not a long form BC, thy are relying upon. They listed bama's birth fathers' race as "african" yet that was not even an option in 1961!
So what did they base the COLB on?
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Hawaii says its comports with what they have on record but says its "notes", not a long form BC, thy are relying upon. They listed bama's birth fathers' race as "african" yet that was not even an option in 1961!
So what did they base the COLB on?
No they didn't say that. You know why? Because they can not legally disclose information about his original BC without his consent. They produced the COLB with the information they have, they say it is official, you say it isn't. You have no way of proving it isn't and they won't tell you what it is due to privacy law. Please stop making things up like they said they don't have it. The governor never said he couldn't find it, just that he went as far as he could without consent, meaning he can not release it or have access to it without Obama's consent. The same way he i can not access your birth records without your consent.
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33,
just give us an estimate as to how many people would have to be 'in on it'? I mean, the man has the top job in the world - and he faked his birth and college, and everyone is playing along?
100? 1000? 100,000 people in on it?
Give us an estimate.
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33,
just give us an estimate as to how many people would have to be 'in on it'? I mean, the man has the top job in the world - and he faked his birth and college, and everyone is playing along?
100? 1000? 100,000 people in on it?
Give us an estimate.
lol 240 I am having flash backs. :D
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33,
just give us an estimate as to how many people would have to be 'in on it'? I mean, the man has the top job in the world - and he faked his birth and college, and everyone is playing along?
100? 1000? 100,000 people in on it?
Give us an estimate.
1 Person. Obama.
$10 and this all ends.
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Why do you keep bringing up the $10?
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Why do you keep bringing up the $10?
Because if Obama authorizes the release of his records, which is about $10, all the questions regarding his eligbility will be resolved.
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1 Person. Obama.
$10 and this all ends.
Hahaha yeah right. You'll cry "it's a fake" Like i said you can not have it both ways. The State of Hawaii can not produce fraudulent documents according to you, and ones that are not. That doesn't make any sense. On one hand they commit fraud, on the other they don't?
Either Hawaiian state documents are official or they are not. If they are not then your argument is stupid as you are asking for a fraudulent document produced by a state complicit in the CT of Obama being born in Kenya.
So no $10 doesn't make this go away.
Common sense does. Something not even all the money in the world could buy you.
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Because if Obama authorizes the release of his records, which is about $10, all the questions regarding his eligbility will be resolved.
And when they release another COLB because that is what the State of Hawaii does then what?
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Hahaha yeah right. You'll cry "it's a fake" Like i said you can not have it both ways. The State of Hawaii can not produce fraudulent documents according to you, and ones that are not. That doesn't make any sense. On one hand they commit fraud, on the other they don't?
Either Hawaiian state documents are official or they are not. If they are not then your argument is stupid as you are asking for a fraudulent document produced by a state complicit in the CT of Obama being born in Kenya.
So no $10 doesn't make this go away.
Common sense does. Something not even all the money in the world could buy you.
So 333 which is it...
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And when they release another COLB because that is what the State of Hawaii does then what?
The colb was created in 2007. The State of Hawaii says it has all records from 1961 and none were lost or destroyed. So if they rleease the 2007 COLB, its more CYA for Barry covering up something.
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The colb was created in 2007. The State of Hawaii says it has all records from 1961 and none were lost or destroyed. So if they rleease the 2007 COLB, its more CYA for Barry covering up something.
I thought the COLB was a fake though? The State released a fake record that was fraudulent according to you. They create it off the records they have, which due to privacy laws, can not disclose. Using that same line of thinking, if the COLB is fraudulent then all the documents on file must be as well right? So the LFBC is fraudulent and doesn't matter if it's released correct?
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I thought the COLB was a fake though? The State released a fake record that was fraudulent according to you. They create it off the records they have, which due to privacy laws, can not disclose. Using that same line of thinking, if the COLB is fraudulent then all the documents on file must be as well right? So the LFBC is fraudulent and doesn't matter if it's released correct?
The COLB was created in 2007 for Obama's run for POTUS. It contains evidence and info not reported in 1961, yet omits the doc and hospital ofbirth. hhhmmmm?
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Because if Obama authorizes the release of his records, which is about $10, all the questions regarding his eligbility will be resolved.
So is it about authorizing the records or paying the $10?
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The COLB was created in 2007 for Obama's run for POTUS. It contains evidence and info not reported in 1961, yet omits the doc and hospital ofbirth. hhhmmmm?
It was issued by the state of Hawaii was it not? And you argue that it is fraudulent do you not? It is issued off records held by the state is it not? And if the COLB is fraudulent then aren't all the records used to create it thereby fraudulent? Including a LFBC?
Isn't that the logical conclusion to make 333? Yes or no.
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So is it about authorizing the records or paying the $10?
You tell me?
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You tell me?
so you really think its about the $10?
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so you really think its about the $10?
No! I think he is hiding seriously damaging info that would have resulted in him losing the primary and general election if it was divulged and we deserve to know one way or the other.
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No! I think he is hiding seriously damaging info that would have resulted in him losing the primary and general election if it was divulged and we deserve to know one way or the other.
Why do you deserve to know? And you don't believe the State of Hawaii anyway so why would you believe anything they release?
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Why do you deserve to know? And you don't believe the State of Hawaii anyway so why would you believe anything they release?
Because he gets to send people to their deaths in a war. and no - i dont believe HA because tey have yet to say that they are confirming a long form BC, but "notes" that they refuse to tell about.
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Because he gets to send people to their deaths in a war. and no - i dont believe HA because tey have yet to say that they are confirming a long form BC, but "notes" that they refuse to tell about.
They can't confirm it and those notes are the Long Form BC for all you know. Can you prove differently? No.
Besides if HA is lying how would a LFBC be any more truthful? Explain that.
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No! I think he is hiding seriously damaging info that would have resulted in him losing the primary and general election if it was divulged and we deserve to know one way or the other.
So then why do you keep bringing up the $10?
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So then why do you keep bringing up the $10?
Because it shows the ludicrous nature of Obama keeping his records secret and the minor effort it would take for him to resolve this.
You and I both know he is hiding seriuosly damaging info.
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Because it shows the ludicrous nature of Obama keeping his records secret and the minor effort it would take for him to resolve this.
You and I both know he is hiding seriuosly damaging info.
No, YOU don't know that. You are speculating and forming another one of your stupid biased fantasy based opinions.
You obviously have a hard time separating facts from opinions. Not surprisingly.
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Yawn. You idiots supporting obama are playing dumb on purpose because you know he is hiding something deeply damaging to him that he could never have released to the public.
So Beach is just secretly an Obama supporter playing dumb? Like the entire state of Hawaii?
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No, YOU don't know that. You are speculating and forming another one of your stupid biased fantasy based opinions.
You obviously have a hard time separating facts from opinions. Not surprisingly.
Yeah because most sensible people spend millions to conceal what can be released for $10. ::) ::) ::)
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Once again, you got totally shit on here in a thread. You have nothing to argue or support your previous arguments without contradicting yourself and boxing your little self into a corner that you can't get out of.
And you wonder why the board considers you delusional?
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Once again, you got totally shit on here in a thread. You have nothing to argue or support your previous arguments without contradicting yourself and boxing your little self into a corner that you can't get out of.
And you wonder why the board considers you delusional?
Hey lickyourass - where is the long form BC signed by a doc listing the place of birth signed by either a doc or official?
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It was issued by the state of Hawaii was it not? And you argue that it is fraudulent do you not? It is issued off records held by the state is it not? And if the COLB is fraudulent then aren't all the records used to create it thereby fraudulent? Including a LFBC?
Isn't that the logical conclusion to make 333? Yes or no.
Yes or no. Is the logical conclusion, any document from the State of Hawaii is fraudulent because all the records used to produce the COLB are fraudulent? Meaning any LFBC would be fraudulent anyway? Yes or No.
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No! I think he is hiding seriously damaging info that would have resulted in him losing the primary and general election if it was divulged and we deserve to know one way or the other.
Why did mccain/palin keep quiet about it? They're in on it too?
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He cant show the long form BC because he knows it will contradict the bogus COLB they released.
Again - they listed the fathers' race as "african" yet that was not even an option in 1961 on the long form BC.
So again - where is the long form BC signed by a doc showing the place of birth and naming the doc?
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Hey lickyourass - where is the long form BC signed by a doc listing the place of birth signed by either a doc or official?
Who cares where it is? Taking the word of a state official over some little internet crybaby isn't a hard choice to make. Actually, it's pretty easy in fact.
It's like whenever I read one of your posts, I hear strange banjo music in the background.....
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Who cares where it is? Taking the word of a state official over some little internet crybaby isn't a hard choice to make. Actually, it's pretty easy in fact.
It's like whenever I read one of your posts, I hear strange banjo music in the background.....
again - where is the long form BC sign by a doc or state official naming the doc or hospital?
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Yes or no. Is the logical conclusion, any document from the State of Hawaii is fraudulent because all the records used to produce the COLB are fraudulent? Meaning any LFBC would be fraudulent anyway? Yes or No.
Yes or no 333.
If the Hawaiian state officials are using fraudulent documents to create a COLB, would that not mean any LFBC is fraudulent as well? If one is not believable how can the other be?
Yes or no.
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Yes or no 333.
If the Hawaiian state officials are using fraudulent documents to create a COLB, would that not mean any LFBC is fraudulent as well? If one is not believable how can the other be?
Yes or no.
funny - cause the gov Hawaii says he cant find a BC, the guy Adams says he was told none exists, and the bezst they have said so far is that "notes on file" are what they have, which means nothing. No long form BC, no hospital records, nodoc records, nothing at all.
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funny - cause the gov Hawaii says he cant find a BC, the guy Adams says he was told none exists, and the bezst they have said so far is that "notes on file" are what they have, which means nothing. No long form BC, no hospital records, nodoc records, nothing at all.
Why do you lie and why do you dodge the question?
BTW notes on file includes LFBC ;) but guess what? They can't release it without consent. Gov of Hawaii never said he couldn't find it. NEVER. That is a lie. He said he could not proceed any further, meaning under Hawaiian privacy laws you can not request and show certain information without consent. Meaning he can not show Obama's LFBC without his consent.
They have it in the file. It's called 'notes' Or what? Did you think they had actual 'notes' like post its in his file saying 'born in hawaii'? Hahahaha what an idiot! this is classic watching you make a fool of yourself. Keep it up! :D
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Why do you lie and why do you dodge the question?
BTW notes on file includes LFBC ;) but guess what? They can't release it without consent. Gov of Hawaii never said he couldn't find it. NEVER. That is a lie. He said he could not proceed any further, meaning under Hawaiian privacy laws you can not request and show certain information without consent. Meaning he can not show Obama's LFBC without his consent.
They have it in the file. It's called 'notes' Or what? Did you think they had actual 'notes' like post its in his file saying 'born in hawaii'? Hahahaha what an idiot! this is classic watching you make a fool of yourself. Keep it up! :D
Thats utter bullshit. They never said there is a long form BC on record.
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Why do you lie and why do you dodge the question?
BTW notes on file includes LFBC ;) but guess what? They can't release it without consent. Gov of Hawaii never said he couldn't find it. NEVER. That is a lie. He said he could not proceed any further, meaning under Hawaiian privacy laws you can not request and show certain information without consent. Meaning he can not show Obama's LFBC without his consent.
They have it in the file. It's called 'notes' Or what? Did you think they had actual 'notes' like post its in his file saying 'born in hawaii'? Hahahaha what an idiot! this is classic watching you make a fool of yourself. Keep it up! :D
just curious, what is your occupation
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Thats utter bullshit. They never said there is a long form BC on record.
Prove it. They said they have notes in the file. Notes meaning LFBC. Prove it's not.
Go on.
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Prove it. They said they have notes in the file. Notes meaning LFBC. Prove it's not.
Go on.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47512486/Sworn-Affidavit-by-Tim-Adams-No-Hawaii-Hospital-Generated-Long-Form-Birth-Cert-Exists-for-Obama
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/47512486/Sworn-Affidavit-by-Tim-Adams-No-Hawaii-Hospital-Generated-Long-Form-Birth-Cert-Exists-for-Obama
A former clerk swore it was not it there. Yet the State of Hawaii says that it is. That the "notes" are sufficient to certify he was born in Hawaii. What would those notes be? Hmmm you think they just made some up? Or you think they have a record of a Birth in one of their hospitals as those notes?
Who am i going to believe. One guy, who is likely doing this for attention, or a whole State....
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333 just curious.
Exactly how many cases have been successful in proving or requesting this LFBC?
I mean a clerk has sworn it doesn't exist. Shouldn't this be a cut and dry case for you, a lawyer?
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333 just curious.
Exactly how many cases have been successful in proving or requesting this LFBC?
I mean a clerk has sworn it doesn't exist. Shouldn't this be a cut and dry case for you, a lawyer?
Cases have been dismissed on the "standing" issue, but never on the merits of the action itself. That is a techincal legal issue far above your comprehension. Ask GW to explain it to you.
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Cases have been dismissed on the "standing" issue, but never on the merits of the action itself. That is a techincal legal issue far above your comprehension. Ask GW to explain it to you.
So that's a no?
Not one case in any court in this country has found in favor of anyone on this issue? Even with this sworn affidavit that you so proudly proclaim as the key evidence? Not one judge? Not even in a red state? Wow. I thought everyone hated Obama, perhaps one of those Louisiana judges? No? Texas? No? Not one?
I'm sorry how many?
Zero?
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So that's a no?
Not one case in any court in this country has found in favor of anyone on this issue? Even with this sworn affidavit that you so proudly proclaim as the key evidence? Not one judge? Not even in a red state? Wow. I thought everyone hated Obama, perhaps one of those Louisiana judges? No? Texas? No? Not one?
I'm sorry how many?
Zero?
like I said - its a techincal legal issue far above your comprehension. ask GW to explain it to you.
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Sounds like another deflection from 33333 veiled in an insult.
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like I said - its a techincal legal issue far above your comprehension. ask GW to explain it to you.
how many cases?
I thought this was easy to prove. You have a former clerk saying so, swearing to it. Just produce that as evidence right? Then BAM this whole CT gets unraveled.
Surely you can take it on right? You must know some Obama hating judges.
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Sounds like another deflection from 33333 veiled in an insult.
Its not an insult - but a techinical legal issue i really don't have the patience to explain to you. I'll send GW a pm to educate you.
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Its not an insult - but a techinical legal issue i really don't have the patience to explain to you. I'll send GW a pm to educate you.
I don't care about the technicality. Surely a country with such vast legal resources can overcome a technicality or has Obama stolen all the best players for his team? Leaving us with 333 and GW to fight to good old fight?
Is this all about not being picked by team Obama?
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I don't care about the technicality. Surely a country with such vast legal resources can overcome a technicality or has Obama stolen all the best players for his team? Leaving us with 333 and GW to fight to good old fight?
Is this all about not being picked by team Obama?
No - like I said - the issue of "standing" is very complex and far beyond your comprehension or understanding.
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Its not an insult - but a techinical legal issue i really don't have the patience to explain to you. I'll send GW a pm to educate you.
Are you lost?
I am not asking it to be explained, KC is. ::)
And it was an insult to KC.
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Are you lost?
I am not asking it to be explained, KC is. ::)
And it was an insult to KC.
It was a fact and statement based upon his demonstrated ignorance as to the litigation that has been filed in this matter thus far. If that qualifies as an insult, fine.
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It was a fact and statement based upon his demonstrated ignorance as to the litigation that has been filed in this matter thus far. If that qualifies as an insult, fine.
Well 1 thing i can say for KC, he's not a coward who will deflect issues or posts. ;)
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Well 1 thing i can say for KC, he's not a coward who will deflect issues or posts. ;)
Or act completely oblivious to common sense, reality, and in your face fact either. ;) ;)
BOOOOOOOMMMMM
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Or act completely oblivious to common sense, reality, and in your face fact either. ;) ;)
BOOOOOOOMMMMM
Yeah, throw the entire republican party in that boat too. ::)
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Or act completely oblivious to common sense, reality, and in your face fact either. ;) ;)
BOOOOOOOMMMMM
Another deflecting attempt ::)
I am surprised you didn't ask for the long form again.
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Yeah, throw the entire republican party in that boat too. ::)
They are ignoring the issue. That's fine,doesnt mean I will. Everyne knows he is hidinig something serious, not to mention his college, law shool, school, passport, and other records.
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Another deflecting attempt ::)
I am surprised you didn't ask for the long form again.
I'm not deflecting anything. You cant show a long form BC and neither can obama. The best you can go by is a forged doc andthe statements of a govt official.
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They are ignoring the issue. That's fine,doesnt mean I will. Everyne knows he is hidinig something serious, not to mention his college, law shool, school, passport, and other records.
No I am not. Actually you can take credit for me looking into it much more.
I agreed with you on previous threads that's he's likely hiding something.
Every one doesn't know he's hiding something. about 25% of people polled suspect he is.
Get your facts straight.
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I'm not deflecting anything.
(In a friendly contrary tone) "Fuck you, you are not deflecting?" ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
You cant show a long form BC and neither can obama. The best you can go by is a forged doc andthe statements of a govt official.
If I can't show the long form why do you keep on asking me? And why do you keep on bringing up the $10 thing when its not the issue here?
If the government of Hawaii says it is, its good enough for me t the moment, until substantial evidence surfaces. Not your speculative arguments befit of a 911 nut job. And its good enough for republican party, McCain, Fact check.org, Bill O'Reilly etc....
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Not your speculative arguments befit of a 911 nut job.
Actually, there are thousands of military, police, FDNY, EMS, scientists, physicists, and former govt officials that say the 911 story stinks to high heaven.
hell, there is video of Rumsfeld saying "We shot down that plane over Penn", for god's sake. On youtube!
I'd say the 911 story's doubters are much more credible than a TV voice who used to feud with Rosie and Whoopi.
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Actually, there are thousands of military, police, FDNY, EMS, scientists, physicists, and former govt officials that say the 911 story stinks to high heaven.
hell, there is video of Rumsfeld saying "We shot down that plane over Penn", for god's sake. On youtube!
I'd say the 911 story's doubters are much more credible than a TV voice who used to feud with Rosie and Whoopi.
Not much and the movement is fading.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=371061.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=371061.0)
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Deflecting or delusional? Is there a difference with him?
I mean my god... an entire Republican state covering up for a liberal Prez. If that isn't a damn good 2008 campaign tactic, then I don't know what is.
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Deflecting or delusional? Is there a difference with him?
I mean my god... an entire Republican state covering up for a liberal Prez. If that isn't a damn good 2008 campaign tactic, then I don't know what is.
Where's the long form?
;) ;D
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Deflecting or delusional? Is there a difference with him?
I mean my god... an entire Republican state covering up for a liberal Prez. If that isn't a damn good 2008 campaign tactic, then I don't know what is.
Not a Republican state. Just a department and governor. Most of the state government consists of liberal democrats. I believe we have the smallest percentage of Republicans in the country? One Republican in the Senate (out of twenty-five) and about seven or eight in the House (out of twenty-five).
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Not a Republican state. Just a department and governor. Most of the state government consists of liberal democrats. I believe we have the smallest percentage of Republicans in the country? One Republican in the Senate (out of twenty-five) and about seven or eight in the House (out of twenty-five).
I thought the state voted Red in POTUS elections.
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I thought the state voted Red in POTUS elections.
No way. Hawaii voters have tunnel vision. Doesn't matter what the rest of the country is doing. They vote Democrat. We are essentially a one party state.
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No - like I said - the issue of "standing" is very complex and far beyond your comprehension or understanding.
But it's not above yours right?
So why can't you find a way around this? Surely this matter of national security is so important and the evidence you have so damning that there can really be only one conclusion a judge could make - Obama is not born here. So why not take it up and fight the fight?