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vid:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110407/ts_yblog_thecutline/trump-brings-media-blitz-to-nbc-steamrolls-meredith-vieira-on-birther-issue
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love it
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Proves nothing. It was days after he was allegedly born ad placed in there by the grandparents. Not based on hospital or registrar records.
Where is the long form BC?
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Proves nothing. It was days after he was allegedly born ad placed in there by the grandparents. Not based on hospital or registrar records.
Where is the long form BC?
Yes because they knew he was going to be a president some day. ::)
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Whats this? the Penny Saver ???
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Whats this? the Penny Saver ???
Hawaii two major newspaper.
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Che's having a hard time dealing with the reality of Obama's hidden lies.
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Che's having a hard time dealing with the reality of Obama's hidden lies.
Coach is having a hard time dealing with his stupidity.
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His mother is American therefore he is American.
Where you are born shouldn't mean shit especially in this day in age where it is mainly bright people who work overseas for big money and possibly have kids there.
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Zzziiinnng!
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His mother is American therefore he is American.
Where you are born shouldn't mean shit especially in this day in age where it is mainly bright people who work overseas for big money and possibly have kids there.
WRONG.... Law clearly states.. Person has to be BORN IN US SOIL to run for president
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WRONG.... Law clearly states.. Person has to be BORN IN US SOIL to run for president
I know the law you moron... It is ridiculous.
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WRONG.... Law clearly states.. Person has to be BORN IN US SOIL to run for president
He was born in Hawaii , what would be the reason /motive to put his name as a new born in a Hawaiian newspaper ???
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Why doesn't Obama just show the damn BC Already? He has a Kenyan BC that's why
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Why doesn't Obama just show the damn BC Already? He has a Kenyan BC that's why
Explain the newspaper
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Aliens did it!
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Explain the newspaper
I'm not here to talk about the past.. ;D
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I'm not here to talk about the past.. ;D
I agree, fuck Obama and all politicians.
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1) im not a obama fan and I agree he should post his BC
2) People are fools, trump MUST bash obama non stop to get votes, by talking about obamas birth he got tons of people now liking him
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That isn't Katie Couric you blithering idiot.
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Ok...I'm done f**king with you guys and as much as I hate to admit it, he does have his BC. Still doesn't change the fact he's the absolut worst president in the history of this country, dude make Carter look like JFK!
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Trump/Paul 2012
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vid:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110407/ts_yblog_thecutline/trump-brings-media-blitz-to-nbc-steamrolls-meredith-vieira-on-birther-issue
all this article does is show that Trump repeatedly lied and Meredith Viera did not challenge him on his lies so if your intention was to show the Trump is a proven liar then congratulations
The birther position has been thoroughly debunked, and it hasn't gained traction within the journalistic mainstream. But Trump has nonetheless been on a media blitz in recent weeks promoting it.
When the issue came up on "Today"--which airs on the same network as Trump's "Celebrity Apprentice"--Vieira didn't exactly hold his feet to the fire.
"His grandmother in Kenya said he was born in Kenya and she was there and witnessed the birth," said Trump, reiterating a claim that has been proven false, as Vieira sat by silently. (You can watch the exchange in the clip above.)
Critics took note.
"Trump simply steamrolled over her challenges, for instance, on Hawaii's policy as to what birth documents it makes available," writes Time's James Poniewozik. "But she also let him make the claim that Obama's grandmother said she saw him born in Kenya--an old, and long-debunked, chestnut of birthers that ranks up there with the fake Mombassa birth certificate--without questioning it. So now millions of Today viewers are invited to take it as fact."
A spokeswoman for the "Today Show" did not respond to a request seeking comment on whether Vieira felt that she had adequately pressed Trump on his claims. But judging by how some of her peers in TV news have handled Trump in the same situation, she appears to have failed.
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Trump/Paul 2012
Co-signed Nugga...
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Trump/Paul 2012
Me/Your Mom tonight
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Wasn't it about 3-4 years ago that the Republicans wanted to change the law so Arnold Schwarzenegger could run?
My how things change...
Couple of other things to note:
1. There is nothing that any person has proven to say that Obama is not the legally appoint President of the United States... I'm sure with all of Trump's cash his "people on the ground in Hawaii" will find something. ::)
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2. Trump isn't going to run... He keeps saying "If I run, If I run"... That's code for, "Listen to me... I'm not running, but I like to talk a lot and have people listen."
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I already told you guys he had it, he showed it and that's why he doesn't address it. I wasn't bullshitting in my last post. You guys know I never stick up for this prick.
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Haha I suppose Trump's high paid investigators somehow failed to uncover this. ::)
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all this article does is show that Trump repeatedly lied and Meredith Viera did not challenge him on his lies so if your intention was to show the Trump is a proven liar then congratulations
Scarecrow can pout about when the DONALD throws that lazy communist out of the WhiteHouse on his Burrhead!
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Proves nothing. It was days after he was allegedly born ad placed in there by the grandparents. Not based on hospital or registrar records.
Where is the long form BC?
So his grandparents are going to place an ad in a paper in 1961 to hide Obama's birthplace because they know that 48 years later he would be elected president of the United States...... ::)
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Merideth Veira = fwap, fwap fwap.
Katie Couric = FWAPFWAPFWAPFWAPFWAPFWAP FWAPFWAP....ahhhhhh.
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Haha I suppose Trump's high paid investigators somehow failed to uncover this. ::)
You can put anything in the news paper if you pay for it..
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Obama's own grandmother said she witnessed the birth in Kenya.
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Obama's own grandmother said she witnessed the birth in Kenya.
No... That's not true.
Her interpreter assumed he was born in Kenya... They cleared it up in the same interview where she "allegedly" said that.
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So his grandparents are going to place an ad in a paper in 1961 to hide Obama's birthplace because they know that 48 years later he would be elected president of the United States...... ::)
Maybe they were trying to get him American citizenship.
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Maybe they were trying to get him American citizenship.
How could he have ever been denied it? If your mother is American you can be born on the moon and you will automatically be granted citizenship.
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Maybe they were trying to get him American citizenship.
Oh brother ::)
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yes, and it is clearly impossible to forge a photograph of a microfiche copy of a newspaper clipping..........
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How could he have ever been denied it? If your mother is American you can be born on the moon and you will automatically be granted citizenship.
Exactly, and it's not like anyone jumped up and said, I'm gonna make sure he can be President...
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He was born in Hawaii , what would be the reason /motive to put his name as a new born in a Hawaiian newspaper ???
maybe,,hawaii was not a state when he was born you ever thought about that,,,,donal trump knows all
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Wasn't it about 3-4 years ago that the Republicans wanted to change the law so Arnold Schwarzenegger could run?
My how things change...
Couple of other things to note:
1. There is nothing that any person has proven to say that Obama is not the legally appoint President of the United States... I'm sure with all of Trump's cash his "people on the ground in Hawaii" will find something. ::)
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2. Trump isn't going to run... He keeps saying "If I run, If I run"... That's code for, "Listen to me... I'm not running, but I like to talk a lot and have people listen."
QFT!
Trump is just being a media whore like always to HYPE his TV show... He's not going to run.
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I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT 'barry soetoro' IS BARAK OBAMAS ORGINAL NAME
HE HAD IT CHANGED WHEN HE WAS IN COLLEGE
he wanted a "stronger name"
so che that article means nothing. its already well known his name is barry soetoro
fixed
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How could he have ever been denied it? If your mother is American you can be born on the moon and you will automatically be granted citizenship.
He may not have been born in the country. additionally, the SS obama has been using has been proven to be a fraud and belonging to someone in CT.
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barry soetoro
is barak obamas original name ,this is one of those media stories thats swept under the rug by the left but actually a very well known fact
hes a name changin bitch neargr
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Guys - we have a "Birther" thread on the politics board with EVERYTHING on this topic.
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Maybe they were trying to get him American citizenship.
There wasn't any need to. Barack's mother was an American citizen so even if he was born on Mars, he still would have been an American citizen. That would have been the same case for John McCain who was born in Panama. And again, why would they try to cover up his citizenship back in 1961 when there was no reason to at the time.
At this point and time, people will argue to the bitter end regardless of what paperwork or information is shown. Show a document and they'll declare it a fake....have someone state that they remember him being born in America and they'll say that they are lying. It doesn't matter
The only reason Trump is saying all of this is obviously to pander more votes from the Tea Party. Anyone who is running for president should steer clear of this matter or they are going to get laughed out of the running
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barry soetoro
is barak obamas original name ,this is one of those media stories thats swept under the rug by the left but actually a very well known fact
hes a name changin bitch neargr
It says Mr and Mrs Barack Obama......his fathers actual name was Barack Obama Sr...... ::)
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There wasn't any need to. Barack's mother was an American citizen so even if he was born on Mars, he still would have been an American citizen. That would have been the same case for John McCain who was born in Panama. And again, why would they try to cover up his citizenship back in 1961 when there was no reason to at the time.
At this point and time, people will argue to the bitter end regardless of what paperwork or information is shown. Show a document and they'll declare it a fake....have someone state that they remember him being born in America and they'll say that they are lying. It doesn't matter
The only reason Trump is saying all of this is obviously to pander more votes from the Tea Party. Anyone who is running for president should steer clear of this matter or they are going to get laughed out of the running
Its not that easy - she was only 18 y/o and there is an issue that she might not have been able to confer NBC status to obama since there was a laws in Hawaii at the time requiring someone to be there ten years or some shit to be able to confer NBC status. .
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Its not that easy - she was only 18 y/o and there is an issue that she might not have been able to confer NBC status to obama since there was a laws in Hawaii at the time requiring someone to be there ten years or some shit to be able to confer NBC status. .
Sounds like you have researched this extensively... or some shit.
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It says Mr and Mrs Barack Obama......his fathers actual name was Barack Obama Sr...... ::)
thats NOT HIS ORIGINAL NAME
his original name is Barry Soetoros
he had a name change in college
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Trump/Paul 2012
excellent !!
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Its not that easy - she was only 18 y/o and there is an issue that she might not have been able to confer NBC status to obama since there was a laws in Hawaii at the time requiring someone to be there ten years or some shit to be able to confer NBC status. .
Well that's the argument to where Obama would have to be a naturally born US citizen rather than just a US citizen to be President. The only problem with that is that he was still born in America and if they were going to use that argument then our 21st President Chester Arthur would have never been elected as his father was an Irish citizen. If you're born on American soil, you are a naturally born US citizen regardless as to the status of your parents. Otherwise, no one in this country would be a US citizens at all.
Ultimately, any legal challenge to this has been thrown out and will be thrown out so he's there to stay. If people want him out of the Oval Office, they'll have to beat him in an election fair and square.
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thats NOT HIS ORIGINAL NAME
his original name is Barry Soetoros
he had a name change in college
And he wont release ANY records on his name change either. Lolo Soetoro, the stepfather who allegedly adopted him, never filed adoption papers for the public either. He registered Barry in indonesia as "Barry Soetoro" but the wird thing is that one needed to be an indonesian citizen to get into their schools.
The whole thing is beyond bizarre.
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thats NOT HIS ORIGINAL NAME
his original name is Barry Soetoros
he had a name change in college
Wrong... His mother didn't even meet her 2nd husband (Mr Soetoros) until after Barrack was born...
To the state he would have been Barrack Obama junior.
He may have unofficially been referred to as Barry Soetoros during his youth but so what... His father did abandon him afterall.
Lee Priest uses his step dad's surname but his official surname is different.
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And he wont release ANY records on his name change either. Lolo Soetoro, the stepfather who allegedly adopted him, never filed adoption papers for the public either. He registered Barry in indonesia as "Barry Soetoro" but the wird thing is that one needed to be an indonesian citizen to get into their schools.
The whole thing is beyond bizarre.
Rubbish.
My aunt lived in Jakarta for years and her white kids went to several schools.
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Wrong... His mother didn't even meet her 2nd husband (Mr Soetoros) until after Barrack was born...
To the state he would have been Barrack Obama junior.
He may have unofficially been referred to as Barry Soetoros during his youth but so what... His father did abandon him afterall.
Lee Priest uses his step dad's surname but his official surname is different.
::) ::) He registered in Occidental as "Barry soetoro". Where is the legal name change docs?
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thats NOT HIS ORIGINAL NAME
his original name is Barry Soetoros
he had a name change in college
Time for a little history lesson.......
His name was originally Barack Obama Jr until his mother remarried a man named Lolo Soetoros in 1964 and had his name changed to Bary Soetoros when he was three years old. He changed his name back to Barack Obama Jr in college as it originally was when he was born.
Yes, he changed his name but back to his original birth name. Why would anyone want to keep the name of someone who wasn't your biological father... ::)
In any event, it has little to do with anything. His fathers name was Barack Obama Sr which is why that name is in the newspaper clip.
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::) ::) He registered in Occidental as "Barry soetoro". Where is the legal name change docs?
Show us a scan of his admission form then.
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And he wont release ANY records on his name change either. Lolo Soetoro, the stepfather who allegedly adopted him, never filed adoption papers for the public either. He registered Barry in indonesia as "Barry Soetoro" but the wird thing is that one needed to be an indonesian citizen to get into their schools.
The whole thing is beyond bizarre.
Why would he need to show his name change documents for?? Has nothing to do with citizenship and he's already stated that he changed his name back to his birth name. It would have only meant that he would have been elected as Barry Soetoro. if he kept the name
BTW, you don't need to be an Indonesian citizen to attend an Indonesian school. That's ridiculous.
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I'm an Englishman, so I am sure my opinion is irrelevant. I am not a birther or otherwise.
I have a birth certificate and I know which hospital in which I was born. Apparently, it was quite a traumatic experience for my mother and so she can actually remember where it occured.
I can produce said document at will and every few years I do something that requires it. As such, I can't actually see why Obi can't just produce his. I can't see how you can buy a house, get married, register your childrens births etc without a copy to hand.
Maybe it's an English thing...
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Time for a little history lesson.......
His name was originally Barack Obama Jr until his mother remarried a man named Lolo Soetoros in 1964 and had his name changed to Bary Soetoros when he was three years old. He changed his name back to Barack Obama Jr in college as it originally was when he was born.
Yes, he changed his name but back to his original birth name. Why would anyone want to keep the name of someone who wasn't your biological father... ::)
In any event, it has little to do with anything. His fathers name was Barack Obama Sr which is why that name is in the newspaper clip.
People do it if their father is an asshole as his most likely was.
I bet his name was never officially changed in the united states but who cares. Probably was easier to go by his stepdad's name in Asia to save redtape.
Not like they had computers to cross check things.
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I'm an Englishman, so I am sure my opinion is irrelevant. I am not a birther or otherwise.
I have a birth certificate and I know which hospital in which I was born. Apparently, it was quite a traumatic experience for my mother and so she can actually remember where it occured.
I can produce said document at will and every few years I do something that requires it. As such, I can't actually see why Obi can't just produce his. I can't see how you can buy a house, get married, register your childrens births etc without a copy to hand.
Maybe it's an English thing...
The state of Hawaii produced one and it is online....
Is it the original hardcopy from 1961? No it isn't but how many people still have their original copy? I have lost my birth certificate a few times and had to get it replaced. You can't get a replacement unless your state has your birth records on file though.
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The state of Hawaii produced one and it is online....
Is it the original hardcopy from 1961? No it isn't but how many people still have their original copy? I have lost my birth certificate a few times and had to get it replaced. You can't get a replacement unless your state has your birth records on file though.
Problem is that he lists a fraudulent SS # on the COLB as well as the factthat it lists the fathers race as "AFRICAN" when that was no even a choice or option in 1961. The 2007 COLB was created for the campaign and is not backed up by anything. Its pure nonsense, not signed by anyone, lists no doctor, place of birth, etc. There are no hospital records, no docto records, no time and place of birth, amercrombie said he cant find a BC, Adams says there is no BC, etc.
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People do it if their father is an asshole as his most likely was.
I bet his name was never officially changed in the united states but who cares. Probably was easier to go by his stepdad's name in Asia to save redtape.
Not like they had computers to cross check things.
Maybe...I don't know but my actual point was that why should anyone give a shit about the circumstances of his name change or his family tree for that matter. His father was a rolling stone and a drunken bastard. No one should be responsible for their father being a fuck up.
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sorry vince didnt mean to offend my african american brother, i didnt realize those facts. have a good day bro
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Problem is that he lists a fraudulent SS # on the COLB as well as the factthat it lists the fathers race as "AFRICAN" when that was no even a choice or option in 1961. The 2007 COLB was created for the campaign and is not backed up by anything. Its pure nonsense, not signed by anyone, lists no doctor, place of birth, etc. There are no hospital records, no docto records, no time and place of birth, amercrombie said he cant find a BC, Adams says there is no BC, etc.
You ain't doing too well today fella...
From factcheck.org
Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.
The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.
The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.
We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.
Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.
We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."
Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.
When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."
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Maybe...I don't know but my actual point was that why should anyone give a shit about the circumstances of his name change or his family tree for that matter. His father was a rolling stone and a drunken bastard. No one should be responsible for their father being a fuck up.
Yet for some reason he traveled to Kenya and then adopted all of the communist/marxist ideas of that pofs father he had.
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Problem is that he lists a fraudulent SS # on the COLB as well as the factthat it lists the fathers race as "AFRICAN" when that was no even a choice or option in 1961. The 2007 COLB was created for the campaign and is not backed up by anything. Its pure nonsense, not signed by anyone, lists no doctor, place of birth, etc. There are no hospital records, no docto records, no time and place of birth, amercrombie said he cant find a BC, Adams says there is no BC, etc.
Certificate of live birth created just for the Barack Obama campaign..... ::)
No doctor and no place of birth.... ::)
No hospital records...... ::)
Fathers race listed as African.... ::)
People need to realize that nothing will be accomplished arguing this matter. All the legal challenges have been thrown out of court and it serves no purpose for anyone running for President to argue it unless they are pandering for votes from the Tea Party which is what Trump is doing.
It would be better to leave the matter alone and concentrate on other things that have substance such as the real estate market, war on terror, health care reform, unemployment rates, gas prices....etc. You can't get elected President by arguing about Obama's citizenship....... ::)
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You ain't doing too well today fella...
From factcheck.org
Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.
The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.
The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.
We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.
Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.
We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."
Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.
When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."
Notce the difference?
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Certificate of live birth created just for the Barack Obama campaign..... ::)
No doctor and no place of birth.... ::)
No hospital records...... ::)
Fathers race listed as African.... ::)
People need to realize that nothing will be accomplished arguing this matter. All the legal challenges have been thrown out of court and it serves no purpose for anyone running for President to argue it unless they are pandering for votes from the Tea Party which is what Trump is doing.
It would be better to leave the matter alone and concentrate on other things that have substance such as the real estate market, war on terror, health care reform, unemployment rates, gas prices....etc. You can't get elected President by arguing about Obama's citizenship....... ::)
Ha ha ha ha ha! ! ! ! ! !
do youreally think obama wants to discuss those issues given how fucking miserable and horrible his presidency has beenon almost every single issue you listed?
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Notce the difference?
You are as sharp as a marble.
If these women asked the state of Hawaii for a replacement birth certificate (if their houses burnt down and they were destroyed) they wouldn't get a direct copy of the original with all that info. Most likely because when the department of health in Hawaii put all these records onto computer they streamlined the info required.
The streamlined document would still be enough to get an american passport... or run for president.
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Certificate of live birth created just for the Barack Obama campaign..... ::)
No doctor and no place of birth.... ::)
No hospital records...... ::)
Fathers race listed as African.... ::)
People need to realize that nothing will be accomplished arguing this matter. All the legal challenges have been thrown out of court and it serves no purpose for anyone running for President to argue it unless they are pandering for votes from the Tea Party which is what Trump is doing.
It would be better to leave the matter alone and concentrate on other things that have substance such as the real estate market, war on terror, health care reform, unemployment rates, gas prices....etc. You can't get elected President by arguing about Obama's citizenship....... ::)
LOL .. WTF has the chump done to make any of those listed concerns better for the people in this country ?
Trump for President is the best option this country has given all the alternatives
and the bit about nothing being accomplished arguing this matter .. is mostly true .. because the fraudulent POS is never going to address it with any type of proof that is substantial .. there's millions of citizens that can PRODUCE a Birth Certificate
Trump made a brilliant statement by saying the ONLY thing good Obama has done is run a winning campaign
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Ha ha ha ha ha! ! ! ! ! !
do youreally think obama wants to discuss those issues given how fucking miserable and horrible his presidency has beenon almost every single issue you listed?
Those are issues that Obama has to explain because they are real issues that affect the people that are going to re-elect him. . His citizenship has no meaning to a person out of a job or lost their home in a foreclosure.
I was laid off from my job at Alltel because of the economic slump under George Bush's presidency. Because of that, I went from making 60k a year to unloading trucks at Walmart for 7.25 an hour for a year and posing down with Billy Guns at the Olympia to pay my bills and pay off the debts I racked up. So when the election was going, do you think I gave a shit about Obama's citizenship??? Fuck no....
That's what I mean by real issues....issues that personally affect people's lives. But having said that...my opinion is that all politicans...democrat, republican, etc are scumbags who will do anything, say anything, or be anything to get elected. Fuck everyone of them.
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You are as sharp as a marble.
If these women asked the state of Hawaii for a replacement birth certificate (if their houses burnt down and they were destroyed) they wouldn't get a direct copy of the original with all that info. Most likely because when the department of health in Hawaii put all these records onto computer they streamlined the info required.
The streamlined document would still be enough to get an american passport... or run for president.
So? It shows thwe Hawaii has the original on record if one exists. So why wont obama release it?
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So? It shows thwe Hawaii has the original on record if one exists. So why wont obama release it?
The document released is what the state gives people who want to apply for a passport as proof of birth details.
A passport and some world travel is what you need to expand your horizons btw.
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So? It shows thwe Hawaii has the original on record if one exists. So why wont obama release it?
Federal privacy laws prohibit the release of any birth certificate, long or short without the person's consent. A birth certificate contains information that can be used for identity fraud. Having said that, the issue wouldn't go away regardless of what information is shown or printed as they will simply argue it being fake or fraudulent as was done with the other birth certificate or something else.
I think the newspaper article in 1961 announcing his birth in Hawaii should have ended the issue completely.
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vid:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110407/ts_yblog_thecutline/trump-brings-media-blitz-to-nbc-steamrolls-meredith-vieira-on-birther-issue
whos gimmick are you?
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He released it, just not to the public.
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Federal privacy laws prohibit the release of any birth certificate, long or short without the person's consent. A birth certificate contains information that can be used for identity fraud. Having said that, the issue wouldn't go away regardless of what information is shown or printed as they will simply argue it being fake or fraudulent as was done with the other birth certificate or something else.
I think the newspaper article in 1961 announcing his birth in Hawaii should have ended the issue completely.
Wrong - the newspaper article does nothing of the sort. Its doenst list a date, place, location , anything.
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I think the newspaper article in 1961 announcing his birth in Hawaii should have ended the issue completely.
People print birth announcements in newspapers outside their state all the time. For example, grandparents, people who have moved from an area where they have roots, etc. I have a nephew who was born here (prematurely), but family lives in another state. The birth announcement was in their local newspaper, not here. Just like obits.
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If Obama winds up not being a citizen, this is going to help push the One World agenda into saying that a president of any country doesn't have to be a citizen of that country ANYMORE. And even if he is a citizen, "they're" pre-conditioning our minds into thinking its not a big deal anyway and should be abolished. Guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger are at the forefront of pushing that agenda.
Bravo, The One World Government agenda, Bravo.
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People print birth announcements in newspapers outside their state all the time. For example, grandparents, people who have moved from an area where they have roots, etc. I have a nephew who was born here (prematurely), but family lives in another state. The birth announcement was in their local newspaper, not here. Just like obits.
Are you saying that any Kenyan can get US citizenship printing a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper ???
::) ::) ::)
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If Obama winds up not being a citizen, this is going to help push the One World agenda into saying that a president of any country doesn't have to be a citizen of that country ANYMORE. And even if he is a citizen, "they're" pre-conditioning our minds into thinking its not a big deal anyway and should be abolished. Guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger are at the forefront of pushing that agenda.
Bravo, The One World Government agenda, Bravo.
while none of that is true, one world government would be fantastic.
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while none of that is true, one world government would be fantastic.
Like the United Nations works like a charm. Oh brother.
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while none of that is true, one world government would be fantastic.
Everyone please ignore this blatant retard.
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Everyone please ignore this blatant retard.
i wouldn't worry about anyone listening to mongo face.
as for some points that i'll throw in:
1. i was born in Eastern Europe. Yes, that's not Hawaii. When I got accepted to college, they asked for an ORIGINAL birth certificate that they would scan and give back to me. My parents somehow found it. Yes, a birth certificate from a country that changed names and regimes a dozen times since I was born, with the organizational skills of Sloth from the Goonies , somehow produced an original birth certificate and mailed to me to the US. It was the original because, well, it was old, and it was signed by the doctor who delivered me, so my mom said it was real. I find it hard to believe that one of the United States would have such a hard time finding an original copy of the birth certificate.
2. If the state of hawaii says the certificate of live birth is the equivalent of a birth certificate, then i have no choice but to take their word for it, as long as they can show a precedent where they were deemed equal (which i'm sure they can do easily).
3. the "damage" barry has caused to the us can easily be reversed with votes and a stroke of a pen; not like he brought the gulags back.
4. it destroys the credibility of his opponents to keep bringing this shit up. just drop it already; attack the man's policies, not the man. i don't agree with 99% of the shit he says, but he's been a textbook republican as of late because he realized that'll get him re-elected. if he just knocks it off with the obamacare bullshit, i'd almost vote for him. almost.
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it destroys the credibility of his opponents to keep bringing this shit up. just drop it already; attack the man's policies, not the man.
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Are you saying that any Kenyan can get US citizenship printing a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper ???
Even better....Why would they bother to in 1961??? There would have been no reason to.
::) ::) ::)
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X1000
do you really think bama wants to discuss issues
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i wouldn't worry about anyone listening to mongo face.
as for some points that i'll throw in:
1. i was born in Eastern Europe. Yes, that's not Hawaii. When I got accepted to college, they asked for an ORIGINAL birth certificate that they would scan and give back to me. My parents somehow found it. Yes, a birth certificate from a country that changed names and regimes a dozen times since I was born, with the organizational skills of Sloth from the Goonies , somehow produced an original birth certificate and mailed to me to the US. It was the original because, well, it was old, and it was signed by the doctor who delivered me, so my mom said it was real. I find it hard to believe that one of the United States would have such a hard time finding an original copy of the birth certificate.
2. If the state of hawaii says the certificate of live birth is the equivalent of a birth certificate, then i have no choice but to take their word for it, as long as they can show a precedent where they were deemed equal (which i'm sure they can do easily).
3. the "damage" barry has caused to the us can easily be reversed with votes and a stroke of a pen; not like he brought the gulags back.
4. it destroys the credibility of his opponents to keep bringing this shit up. just drop it already; attack the man's policies, not the man. i don't agree with 99% of the shit he says, but he's been a textbook republican as of late because he realized that'll get him re-elected. if he just knocks it off with the obamacare bullshit, i'd almost vote for him. almost.
I attack the policies and yes, I also attack the man because the policies ARE THE MAN, it's what he represents and portrays. But, he does in fact have his BC and like I said a million other times, it was shown. You will never see me defend this commie rat bastard any other time.
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I attack the policies and yes, I also attack the man because the policies ARE THE MAN, it's what he represents and portrays. But, he does in fact have his BC and like I said a million other times, it was shown. You will never see me defend this commie rat bastard any other time.
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Obama is worse than Carter.
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Wrong - the newspaper article does nothing of the sort. Its doenst list a date, place, location , anything.
The date is on the newspaper and the paper is in Hawaii. Why would his parent go through the trouble in having a newspaper print his birth in a paper in Hawaii if he was born anywhere else at the time in 1961. Its the most ridiculous thing ever. There's no way to explain it and you couldn't make it into any Hollywood script.
Its a futile argument and only a complete moron who refutes all the evidence and common sense around who will believe it.
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The date is on the newspaper and the paper is in Hawaii. Why would his parent go through the trouble in having a newspaper print his birth in a paper in Hawaii if he was born anywhere else at the time in 1961. Its the most ridiculous thing ever. There's no way to explain it and you couldn't make it into any Hollywood script.
Its a futile argument and only a complete moron who refutes all the evidence and common sense around who will believe it.
Grandparents made the claim.
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Grandparents made the claim.
That was already addressed back in 2008. She was speaking in Swahili and the translator made a mistake. Once you hear the full recording you'll hear the translator say that he wasn't born in Mombasa.
Its still on time....
http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma
Next..... ::)
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The date is on the newspaper and the paper is in Hawaii. Why would his parent go through the trouble in having a newspaper print his birth in a paper in Hawaii if he was born anywhere else at the time in 1961. Its the most ridiculous thing ever. There's no way to explain it and you couldn't make it into any Hollywood script.
Its a futile argument and only a complete moron who refutes all the evidence and common sense around who will believe it.
His parents didnt do dick, it was te grandparents.
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His parents didnt do dick, it was te grandparents.
Well, if they keep arguing this then they will be giving Obama another term. Move onto something else
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Well, if they keep arguing this then they will be giving Obama another term. Move onto something else
I can do both at the same time.
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I attack the policies and yes, I also attack the man because the policies ARE THE MAN, it's what he represents and portrays.
I agree with the Coach.
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I wanna know how it would be possible for two students who have no money and are heavily pregnant can afford to fly to Kenya where the chances of having a safe birth are ten times less likely and why the hell they would bother doing as such?
Next people will be saying the parents didn't even meet in Hawaii.
I'm more surprised the fact his mother was a secular humanist hasn't been more of an issue and the fact Obama probably is as well but he knew he would have to church himself up to ever enter political life.
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Louis Farrakhan Jr is president. Deal with it.
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The states is financially fucked. This has been evident for a while now, give it a few more years and the wheels will fall off. It's almost comical what the country has/is doing to itself
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Obama has lost his Oparh Winfrey backing..OBama is toast 8)
Source: Oprah Winfrey Will Not Endorse Obama in 2012
Updated: Friday, 08 Apr 2011, 6:43 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 08 Apr 2011, 6:43 PM EDT
(NewsCore) - Oprah Winfrey, the queen of daytime television, will not be publicly endorsing President Barack Obama for re-election in 2012, a source told Pop Eater.
Back in 2008, the billionaire talk show host endorsed then-Senator Barack Obama -- the first time she had publicly taken sides in a US presidential election.
"For 2012, much has changed for Oprah," the source told Pop Eater. "She now has her own cable channel called OWN that has been struggling to find an audience -- she isn't going to do anything to alienate them."
Winfrey's daytime talk show will end its 25-year run on May 25. She will then spend the majority of her time at the helm of OWN, the Oprah Winfrey Network, a joint venture with Discovery Communications which debuted on Jan. 1.
After a big debut that averaged 583,000 viewers in primetime the first week, OWN has seen its ratings fall below those of the channel it replaced, the Discovery Health Channel.
"Unlike in 2008, when a drop in ratings didn't matter as much for the queen of TV, Oprah is now fighting every day to get people to tune into OWN," the source added, noting that while Winfrey will likely support Obama again, she will do so more privately.
"Helping a friend keep the most important job in the world is great, but making sure her OWN network thrives is now her priority," the source said.
In March 2011, Forbes magazine estimated Winfrey's net worth to be $2.7 billion.
PopEater
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Like the United Nations works like a charm. Oh brother.
::) as if the united nations has any kind of authority
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Obama has lost his Oparh Winfrey backing..OBama is toast 8)
Source: Oprah Winfrey Will Not Endorse Obama in 2012
Updated: Friday, 08 Apr 2011, 6:43 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 08 Apr 2011, 6:43 PM EDT
(NewsCore) - Oprah Winfrey, the queen of daytime television, will not be publicly endorsing President Barack Obama for re-election in 2012, a source told Pop Eater.
Back in 2008, the billionaire talk show host endorsed then-Senator Barack Obama -- the first time she had publicly taken sides in a US presidential election.
"For 2012, much has changed for Oprah," the source told Pop Eater. "She now has her own cable channel called OWN that has been struggling to find an audience -- she isn't going to do anything to alienate them."
Winfrey's daytime talk show will end its 25-year run on May 25. She will then spend the majority of her time at the helm of OWN, the Oprah Winfrey Network, a joint venture with Discovery Communications which debuted on Jan. 1.
After a big debut that averaged 583,000 viewers in primetime the first week, OWN has seen its ratings fall below those of the channel it replaced, the Discovery Health Channel.
"Unlike in 2008, when a drop in ratings didn't matter as much for the queen of TV, Oprah is now fighting every day to get people to tune into OWN," the source added, noting that while Winfrey will likely support Obama again, she will do so more privately.
"Helping a friend keep the most important job in the world is great, but making sure her OWN network thrives is now her priority," the source said.
In March 2011, Forbes magazine estimated Winfrey's net worth to be $2.7 billion.
PopEater
Oprah will still be supporting Obama......chuckle. Do you seriously think that she would endorse Huckabee, Romney, or Trump???? She simply won't be an active participant as she was before going around holding speeches and raising money...... ::).
Man, people report such nonsense just to get readers sucked in. Besides, the machine has been started up and I wouldn't be surprised if Obama raises a billion dollars for his reelection campaign. The speed in which he raised funds years ago was very scary and made me wonder where all that money came from.....same with McCain.
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Oprah will still be supporting Obama......chuckle. Do you seriously think that she would endorse Huckabee, Romney, or Trump???? She simply won't be an active participant as she was before going around holding speeches and raising money...... ::).
Man, people report such nonsense just to get readers sucked in. Besides, the machine has been started up and I wouldn't be surprised if Obama raises a billion dollars for his reelection campaign. The speed in which he raised funds years ago was very scary and made me wonder where all that money came from.....same with McCain.
pot/kettle
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while none of that is true, one world government would be fantastic.
Its coming bro. But when it does happen, the next fight will be with the Aliens "they" show us in hologram form. Careful what you wish for MR. COINTELPRO >:(
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obama is controlled by the reptiles
time for men to declare freedom
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Oprah will still be supporting Obama......chuckle. Do you seriously think that she would endorse Huckabee, Romney, or Trump???? She simply won't be an active participant as she was before going around holding speeches and raising money...... ::).
Man, people report such nonsense just to get readers sucked in. Besides, the machine has been started up and I wouldn't be surprised if Obama raises a billion dollars for his reelection campaign. The speed in which he raised funds years ago was very scary and made me wonder where all that money came from.....same with McCain.
1. Idiot blacks, college kids, gult ridden white liberals looking to rid their tortured conscience of their white guilt, enviro freaks, gays, lesbians, union hacks, govt employees, and other moron segments of society.
2. Wall Street
3. Overseas. obama took in hundreds of millions from overseas and got busted turning off the credt card verification on his website.
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1. Idiot blacks, college kids, gult ridden white liberals looking to rid their tortured conscience of their white guilt, enviro freaks, gays, lesbians, union hacks, govt employees, and other moron segments of society.
2. Wall Street
3. Overseas. obama took in hundreds of millions from overseas and got busted turning off the credt card verification on his website.
The only moron segment of the society I've heard is from you. Both political parties take in money from unsavory sources. I've known Republicans that take money from Tobacco companies, Corporations, white supremicist groups, radicals, Religous zealots, and other nutcases.
When I was a kid, I took up a summertime job working on the campaign of a Republican congressman. People were so caught up that I was told that I could only eat pizza from Dominoes because the CEO was pro-life...... ::) ::)
The moment you realize that no political party gives a shit about you or anyone else without deep pockets. The better you will be off
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Vince pwning some people in this thread.
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The only moron segment of the society I've heard is from you. Both political parties take in money from unsavory sources. I've known Republicans that take money from Tobacco companies, Corporations, white supremicist groups, radicals, Religous zealots, and other nutcases.
When I was a kid, I took up a summertime job working on the campaign of a Republican congressman. People were so caught up that I was told that I could only eat pizza from Dominoes because the CEO was pro-life...... ::) ::)
The moment you realize that no political party gives a shit about you or anyone else without deep pockets. The better you will be off
August 14, 2008
Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes
By Pamela Geller
I have been researching, documenting and studying thousands upon thousands of Obama's campaign donations for the past month. Egregious abuse was immediately evident and I published the results of my ongoing investigation. Each subsequent post built a more damning case against Obama's illegal contribution activity.
The media took little notice of what I was substantiating. I went so far as to upload the documents so that anyone could do their own research. I asked readers to download the documents and a number of folks pitched in.
Despite dropping the groundbreaking bombshell story of "Palestinian" brothers from the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza who donated $33,000 to Obama's campaign, no big media picked up the story. Jihadis donating to Obama from Gaza? Could there be a bigger story? Foreign donations are illegal, but this story was all that and so much more. The "Palestinian" brothers were proud and vocal of their "love" for Obama. Their vocal support on behalf of "Palestinians" spoke volumes to Obama's campaign.
And yet still no media.
But Obama pricked up his ears. He smelled trouble and while no media asked, he answered anyway. Sen. Obama's campaign immediately scrambled and contended they had returned the $33,500 in illegal contributions from Palestinians in Hamas-controlled Gaza, despite the fact that records do not show that it was returned and the brothers said they have not received any money. Having gone through all of Obama's refunds redesignations etc, no refund was made to Osama, Hossam, or Edwan Monir in the Rafah refugee camp. And still no media.
One of the Gazan brothers, Monir Edwan (identified here), claimed he bought "Obama for President" T-shirts off Obama's website and then sold the T-shirts in Gaza for a profit. All purchases on the Barack Obama website are considered contributions.
The Palestinians allegedly claimed "they were American citizens", so said Obama's people. They listed their address -- zip code 972 (ironically the area code for Israel) and they input "GA"the state abbreviation for Georgia (screen shot here) They actually lived in a Hamas controlled refugee camp. So if Obama's people thought it was "Georgia" why did they ship the tee shirts to the correct address in Gaza? Shipping overseas to a Gaza refugee camp is vastly different than the state next door.
Still no media.
"Some young men even bought the T-shirts for 60 shekel ($17.29), which is a lot to spend in Gaza on a T-shirt, but that is how much Gazans like Obama," Edwan claimed in a follow up article in the conservative websiet WorldNetDaily. And Hamas has publicly endorsed Obama.
And still no media.
Obama's campaign said the Palestinian brothers in the Middle East made $33,000 in illegal donations to the campaign via the internet.
The donations came in between Sept. 20 and Dec. 6 and virtually all of the money, about $33,500, was returned by December 6. But the refunds weren't reported to the Federal Election Commission due to a technical error, campaign officials said.
If McCain had been involved with something so dark and nefarious, taking money from Islamic jihad, his candidacy would never withstand the media blowback.
But it was the son of hope, the agent of change, the one we have been waiting for , so the media yawned.
The jihad donations were hardly the only bloody red flags. The first in my series of posts ran July 19th. The documents were so unwieldy, readers like John, Doc, and Cathy (who discovered Rafah) were working furiously to cross check our findings at the FEC site and then mine the data.
Obama's overseas (foreign) contributors are making multiple small donations, ostensibly in their own names, over a period of a few days, some under maximum donation allowances, but others are aggregating in excess of the maximums when all added up. The countries and major cities from which contributions have been received France, Virgin Islands, Planegg, Vienna, Hague, Madrid, London, AE, IR, Geneva,Tokyo, Bangkok, Turin, Paris, Munich, Madrid, Roma, Zurich, Netherlands, Moscow, Ireland, Milan, Singapore, Bejing, Switzerland, Toronto, Vancouver, La Creche, Pak Chong, Dublin, Panama, Krabi, Berlin, Geneva, Buenos Aires, Prague, Nagoya, Budapest, Barcelona, Sweden, Taipei, Hong Kong, Rio de Janeiro, Sydney, Zurich, Ragusa, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Uganda, Mumbia, Nagoya, Tunis, Zacatecas, St, Croix, Mississauga, Laval, Nadi, Behchoko, Ragusa, DUBIA, Lima, Copenhagen, Quaama, Jeddah, Kabul, Cairo, Nassau(not the county on Long Island,lol), Luxembourg (Auchi's stomping grounds), etc,etc,etc,
Half a million dollars had been donated from overseas by unidentified people "not employed".
Digging deeper, all sorts of very bizarre activity jumped at us. Dr and JJ continued to break it down and pull data from various sources. We found Rebecca Kurth contributed $3,137.38 to the Obama Campaign in 112 donations, including 34 separate donations recorded in one day,
How about this gibberish donor on the 30th of April in 2008.
A donor named Hbkjb, jkbkj
City: Jkbjnj Works for: Kuman Bank (doesn't exist)
Occupation: Balanon Jalalan Amount: $1,077.23
or the donor Doodad, The # of transactions = 1,044
The $ contributed = $10,780.00
This Doodad character works for FDGFDGF and occupation is DFGFDG
The more questions we answered the more questions we discovered.
Thousands of Obama's foreign donations ended in cents. The "cents" did not make sense. And we compared McCain donation documentss to Obama's. McCain's records are nothing like Obama's. McCain's are so clean. No cents, all even dollar amounts. But Obama's contained thousands of strange, odd amounts -- evidence of foreign contributors, since Americans living overseas would almost uniformly be able to contribute dollars. Still no media.
Julia Gorin told me a funny story two months ago. Her husband's co-worker wanted to see what would happen if he tried giving a contribution to the Obama campaign via a credit card. He used his Macy's card. The system accepted it. He tried the same with McCain's campaign, and the transaction wouldn't go through. Now, obviously, down the line, the Obama transaction would fail as well, but it goes to the point that there is no safety system in place -- it'll just accept any and all money, which helps explain how his campaign raised so much more money than everyone else's.
Despite the evidence of dirty campaign donations, crickets chirped in newsrooms across the country. The moment my Gaza story started to get some chatter on talk radio, the left and their supplicant handmaidens in the media sprang into action and created a McCain illegal campaign contribution "scandal". The Washington Post published an inaccurate allegation and then retracted not a day later, at the risk of looking stupid. They are jeopardizing the little credibility that they have left.
....a Washington Post story detailing some suspicious looking contributions to the McCain campaign bundled by Harry Sargeant III. Shortly after posting, a correction appeared in the original report, as follows:
An earlier version of this story about campaign donations that Florida businessman Harry Sargeant III raised for Sen. John McCain, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton incorrectly identified three individuals as being among the donors Sargeant solicited on behalf of McCain. Those donors -- Rite Aid manager Ibrahim Marabeh, and lounge owners Nadia and Shawn Abdalla -- wrote checks to Giuliani and Clinton, not McCain. Also, the first name of Faisal Abdullah, a McCain donor, was misspelled in some versions of the story (noted by Amanda Carpenter).
So here an intrepid blogger finds a keg of dynamite of dirty dollar donations to Obama and what does the media do? They ignore it. And when forced to confront it by the sheer newsworthiness of the story, what happens? They go after McCain. They punish McCain.
And that is meant to be a lesson to all of us, Whatever you find, whatever you discover about the Candidate of Mystery, they will blow it back in your face. And they did. Almost immediately.
The irony and the upshot of all this. John McCain is reviewing contributions. Ain't that a kick in the head. I can tell him he needn't bother. Been there, done that. Nothing to see, keep moving.
Obama's out there raising millions, some in illegal donations and the Washington Post jumps on McCain for a $50k, which hasn't been shown to be illegal, but merely "inappropriate." The left and their handmaidens, the mani stream media, were so quick to deflect this hit, it seems we have hit a raw nerve. I intend to keep digging. Stay tuned.,
Pamela Geller is Editor and Publisher of the blog Atlas Shrugs.
on "Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes"
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_-pW2wOKW1MJ:www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html%20obama%20overseas%20donations%20credit%20card&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
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August 14, 2008
Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes
By Pamela Geller
I have been researching, documenting and studying thousands upon thousands of Obama's campaign donations for the past month. Egregious abuse was immediately evident and I published the results of my ongoing investigation. Each subsequent post built a more damning case against Obama's illegal contribution activity.
The media took little notice of what I was substantiating. I went so far as to upload the documents so that anyone could do their own research. I asked readers to download the documents and a number of folks pitched in.
Despite dropping the groundbreaking bombshell story of "Palestinian" brothers from the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza who donated $33,000 to Obama's campaign, no big media picked up the story. Jihadis donating to Obama from Gaza? Could there be a bigger story? Foreign donations are illegal, but this story was all that and so much more. The "Palestinian" brothers were proud and vocal of their "love" for Obama. Their vocal support on behalf of "Palestinians" spoke volumes to Obama's campaign.
And yet still no media.
But Obama pricked up his ears. He smelled trouble and while no media asked, he answered anyway. Sen. Obama's campaign immediately scrambled and contended they had returned the $33,500 in illegal contributions from Palestinians in Hamas-controlled Gaza, despite the fact that records do not show that it was returned and the brothers said they have not received any money. Having gone through all of Obama's refunds redesignations etc, no refund was made to Osama, Hossam, or Edwan Monir in the Rafah refugee camp. And still no media.
One of the Gazan brothers, Monir Edwan (identified here), claimed he bought "Obama for President" T-shirts off Obama's website and then sold the T-shirts in Gaza for a profit. All purchases on the Barack Obama website are considered contributions.
The Palestinians allegedly claimed "they were American citizens", so said Obama's people. They listed their address -- zip code 972 (ironically the area code for Israel) and they input "GA"the state abbreviation for Georgia (screen shot here) They actually lived in a Hamas controlled refugee camp. So if Obama's people thought it was "Georgia" why did they ship the tee shirts to the correct address in Gaza? Shipping overseas to a Gaza refugee camp is vastly different than the state next door.
Still no media.
"Some young men even bought the T-shirts for 60 shekel ($17.29), which is a lot to spend in Gaza on a T-shirt, but that is how much Gazans like Obama," Edwan claimed in a follow up article in the conservative websiet WorldNetDaily. And Hamas has publicly endorsed Obama.
And still no media.
Obama's campaign said the Palestinian brothers in the Middle East made $33,000 in illegal donations to the campaign via the internet.
The donations came in between Sept. 20 and Dec. 6 and virtually all of the money, about $33,500, was returned by December 6. But the refunds weren't reported to the Federal Election Commission due to a technical error, campaign officials said.
If McCain had been involved with something so dark and nefarious, taking money from Islamic jihad, his candidacy would never withstand the media blowback.
But it was the son of hope, the agent of change, the one we have been waiting for , so the media yawned.
The jihad donations were hardly the only bloody red flags. The first in my series of posts ran July 19th. The documents were so unwieldy, readers like John, Doc, and Cathy (who discovered Rafah) were working furiously to cross check our findings at the FEC site and then mine the data.
Obama's overseas (foreign) contributors are making multiple small donations, ostensibly in their own names, over a period of a few days, some under maximum donation allowances, but others are aggregating in excess of the maximums when all added up. The countries and major cities from which contributions have been received France, Virgin Islands, Planegg, Vienna, Hague, Madrid, London, AE, IR, Geneva,Tokyo, Bangkok, Turin, Paris, Munich, Madrid, Roma, Zurich, Netherlands, Moscow, Ireland, Milan, Singapore, Bejing, Switzerland, Toronto, Vancouver, La Creche, Pak Chong, Dublin, Panama, Krabi, Berlin, Geneva, Buenos Aires, Prague, Nagoya, Budapest, Barcelona, Sweden, Taipei, Hong Kong, Rio de Janeiro, Sydney, Zurich, Ragusa, Amsterdam, Hamburg, Uganda, Mumbia, Nagoya, Tunis, Zacatecas, St, Croix, Mississauga, Laval, Nadi, Behchoko, Ragusa, DUBIA, Lima, Copenhagen, Quaama, Jeddah, Kabul, Cairo, Nassau(not the county on Long Island,lol), Luxembourg (Auchi's stomping grounds), etc,etc,etc,
Half a million dollars had been donated from overseas by unidentified people "not employed".
Digging deeper, all sorts of very bizarre activity jumped at us. Dr and JJ continued to break it down and pull data from various sources. We found Rebecca Kurth contributed $3,137.38 to the Obama Campaign in 112 donations, including 34 separate donations recorded in one day,
How about this gibberish donor on the 30th of April in 2008.
A donor named Hbkjb, jkbkj
City: Jkbjnj Works for: Kuman Bank (doesn't exist)
Occupation: Balanon Jalalan Amount: $1,077.23
or the donor Doodad, The # of transactions = 1,044
The $ contributed = $10,780.00
This Doodad character works for FDGFDGF and occupation is DFGFDG
The more questions we answered the more questions we discovered.
Thousands of Obama's foreign donations ended in cents. The "cents" did not make sense. And we compared McCain donation documentss to Obama's. McCain's records are nothing like Obama's. McCain's are so clean. No cents, all even dollar amounts. But Obama's contained thousands of strange, odd amounts -- evidence of foreign contributors, since Americans living overseas would almost uniformly be able to contribute dollars. Still no media.
Julia Gorin told me a funny story two months ago. Her husband's co-worker wanted to see what would happen if he tried giving a contribution to the Obama campaign via a credit card. He used his Macy's card. The system accepted it. He tried the same with McCain's campaign, and the transaction wouldn't go through. Now, obviously, down the line, the Obama transaction would fail as well, but it goes to the point that there is no safety system in place -- it'll just accept any and all money, which helps explain how his campaign raised so much more money than everyone else's.
Despite the evidence of dirty campaign donations, crickets chirped in newsrooms across the country. The moment my Gaza story started to get some chatter on talk radio, the left and their supplicant handmaidens in the media sprang into action and created a McCain illegal campaign contribution "scandal". The Washington Post published an inaccurate allegation and then retracted not a day later, at the risk of looking stupid. They are jeopardizing the little credibility that they have left.
....a Washington Post story detailing some suspicious looking contributions to the McCain campaign bundled by Harry Sargeant III. Shortly after posting, a correction appeared in the original report, as follows:
An earlier version of this story about campaign donations that Florida businessman Harry Sargeant III raised for Sen. John McCain, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton incorrectly identified three individuals as being among the donors Sargeant solicited on behalf of McCain. Those donors -- Rite Aid manager Ibrahim Marabeh, and lounge owners Nadia and Shawn Abdalla -- wrote checks to Giuliani and Clinton, not McCain. Also, the first name of Faisal Abdullah, a McCain donor, was misspelled in some versions of the story (noted by Amanda Carpenter).
So here an intrepid blogger finds a keg of dynamite of dirty dollar donations to Obama and what does the media do? They ignore it. And when forced to confront it by the sheer newsworthiness of the story, what happens? They go after McCain. They punish McCain.
And that is meant to be a lesson to all of us, Whatever you find, whatever you discover about the Candidate of Mystery, they will blow it back in your face. And they did. Almost immediately.
The irony and the upshot of all this. John McCain is reviewing contributions. Ain't that a kick in the head. I can tell him he needn't bother. Been there, done that. Nothing to see, keep moving.
Obama's out there raising millions, some in illegal donations and the Washington Post jumps on McCain for a $50k, which hasn't been shown to be illegal, but merely "inappropriate." The left and their handmaidens, the mani stream media, were so quick to deflect this hit, it seems we have hit a raw nerve. I intend to keep digging. Stay tuned.,
Pamela Geller is Editor and Publisher of the blog Atlas Shrugs.
on "Obama's Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes"
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Its not news because all politicians depend on illegal contributions in exchange for political favors. The best method they use is that they'll write a maximum donation in the name of a supporter and give them a cut instead. They have 20,000 dollars contributions coming from Burger King cashiers and I bet that if I check my past records from when I worked in the political party, I won't be surprised if I made a 20k donation.
The fact is that while Mccain and Obama stated that they wouldn't accept illegal contributions, they'll certainly look the other way when they receive it. If they get caught with it, they return the money and make it into a big political speech as to their "dedication to not accepting illegal funds".
Lets face facts......even if a Republican was elected in the Oval Office, nothing will change. The people that truly control the country are major corporations with deep pockets and billionaires. That's who the politicans work for these people. After all, what kind of person defends a company that produces a cancerous product that kills millions of people every year (tobacco), or vote against laws that would prevent price gouging at the pumps (oil companies), or ban natural herbs such as ephedra in place of some very dangerous weight loss drugs (pharmacutical companies).
Remember, the people only matter once every 2 to 4 years and they will promise you the world. But the minute they are elected, the first thing they do is raise everyone's taxes and get back to working for the interest of Money Inc. They will never keep their promises on anything. They'll boast how they lowered taxes but then all of a sudden you see an increase somewhere else.
This federal spending bill they just passed cutting 38 billion dollars.......makes you wonder where they cut at because it wasn't from the big industries. It has to come from somewhere and unfortunately we're all going to find out soon... ::)
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Vince pwning some people in this thread.
Yup. He neutered Basile by keeping his cool in the RIP Keith thread, and is easily handling the conspiracy morons in this one. I must be in some parallel Getbig universe.
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1. Idiot blacks, college kids, gult ridden white liberals looking to rid their tortured conscience of their white guilt, enviro freaks, gays, lesbians, union hacks, govt employees, and other moron segments of society.
2. Wall Street
3. Overseas. obama took in hundreds of millions from overseas and got busted turning off the credt card verification on his website.
We get it you hate black people
Let it go already.... ::)
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We get it you hate black people
Let it go already.... ::)
Blacks vote 95% Dem no matter what EVERY election. The Dems could run David Duke / Jesse Helms and they would vote 95% for them so long as they have a (D) next to their name.
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We get it you hate black people
Let it go already.... ::)
Never try to reason with the unreasonable. ;)
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Blacks vote 95% Dem no matter what EVERY election. The Dems could run David Duke / Jesse Helms and they would vote 95% for them so long as they have a (D) next to their name.
I agree and ignorant racist low life rednecks always vote Republican.
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I agree and ignorant racist low life rednecks always vote Republican.
I agree with that too. Even GW warned against this. We need to get rid of parties altogether.
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I agree with that too. Even GW warned against this. We need to get rid of parties altogether.
THEN WHAT THE FCK WOULD YOU ARGUE ABOUT AT GETBIG,,,,????? you would have nothing to do
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I agree and ignorant racist low life rednecks always vote Republican.
not realy in the alabama song sweet potato pie it says "i wish theyd get a southern democrat "
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not realy in the alabama song sweet potato pie it says "i wish theyd get a southern democrat "
southern democrat = modern day republican.
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libertarian = good
commy demncrat = bad
not 1 democrat gives all their money to poor
best is congress republican
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trump might have a chance at against obama
but no one else can beat the obama