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After testing positive for PED's, 100 game suspension, retired instead. This testing is going to not only kill baseball but football as well. Joe Biden is a fucking idiot!
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how so?second time he got caught ,why bother playing 62 games at age 38 or so.rays took a chance with him anyway he always plays by his own rules anyway.he skated past the drug test's when he was putting up monster numbers ,he's only good for 20 or so homers now the rays are better without him.
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Good for him. His final way of saying f u to the powers that be.
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This isn't about Manny, it about the testing that's going to kill baseball and other sports.
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This isn't about Manny, it about the testing that's going to kill baseball and other sports.
Perhaps a title change for the thread then?
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After testing positive for PED's, 100 game suspension, retired instead. This testing is going to not only kill baseball but football as well. Joe Biden is a fucking idiot!
I know. Thanks to Joe Biden, there won't even be an IFBB pretty soon.
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what kind of idiot gets caught TWICE, seriously? baseball contracts are guaranteed, he could have hit 5 home runs this year and he still would have gotten paid. Why even take the chance on getting caught AGAIN
is he really that stupid
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what kind of idiot gets caught TWICE, seriously? baseball contracts are guaranteed, he could have hit 5 home runs this year and he still would have gotten paid. Why even take the chance on getting caught AGAIN
is he really that stupid
Sounds like he got caught for a third time.....I'll have to read more.
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38 years old? Net worth?
#mannywinning
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This isn't about Manny, it about the testing that's going to kill baseball and other sports.
Excessiveness.....on ALL levels of society these days.
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My point being...your arguement(agreed) is that "fans" of professional sports won't recover from the inflated #'s and abilities that have been established from use of PED's. That, the hallmark of records that have occurred will never be touched again without PED's, will leave these "fans" unfullfilled.
That is just a sample of our excessive and spoiled society. This sickens me. I will totally appreciate the league leading 29 homeruns. I guess I'm old school. No wonder the divorce rate is 60% and most people are over-weight slobs making every excuse in the book for their shortcomings. Sickening...just sickening.
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This isn't about Manny, it about the testing that's going to kill baseball and other sports.
So you support criminal activity (illegal drug use)?
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So you support criminal activity (illegal drug use)?
Hmmmm....curious as to "Coaches"reply
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So you support criminal activity (illegal drug use)?
Its illegality is unjust. Buying into it is called being a sheep.
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Its illegality is unjust. Buying into it is called being a sheep.
I know, it's bullshit. But I don't think breaking the law, breaking the law, is the right course of action, there should be a bigger effort to change the law than what it is now.
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I know, it's bullshit. But I don't think breaking the law, breaking the law, is the right course of action, there should be a bigger effort to change the law than what it is now.
;D
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Greatest right handed hitter of the past 15-20 years and he wont go to the HOF because of this.
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I don't even think the legality is even an issue, most get it legally the ones that don't are idiots. Unless a doctor is under investigation records are confidential.
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After testing positive for PED's, 100 game suspension, retired instead. This testing is going to not only kill baseball but football as well. Joe Biden is a fucking idiot!
Yes Joe Biden is THE idiot politician reading steroids. ::)
Who signed it?
Anabolic Steroid Restriction act of 1990
Hint: Moses talked to a burning _ _ _ _ .
Who said it?
“Unfortunately, some in professional sports are not setting much of an example for our children. The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids in baseball, football and other sports is dangerous and it sends the wrong message: that there are shortcuts to accomplishment and that performance is more important than character. So tonight I call on team owners, union representatives, coaches and players to take the lead, to send the right signal, to get tough and to get rid of steroids now.”
Hint: Source: 2004 State of the Union address to joint session of Congress Jan 20, 2004
Hint: The burning _ _ _ _’s son.
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i have respect for the players union of the nfl. they are telling them to fuck off. mlb are a bunch of pussies
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cheese union
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After testing positive for PED's, 100 game suspension, retired instead. This testing is going to not only kill baseball but football as well. Joe Biden is a fucking idiot!
Somebody call the Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaambulance. Cheating is for the weak. Oh that's right...drugs are only the "finishing touch". Fuck that noise.
As for Biden, he's a Democrat what do you expect, an IQ above room temperature? His belonging to the extra-chromosome set doesn't excuse someone taking dope to succeed. Grow some stones, the lot of you. What a bunch of manginas.
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It's his way of saying gfy hall of fame. Smart
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How is that Joe Biden's fault? This witch hunt had been going on long before Obama and Biden tool office.
Here's Manny's jersey last year while the team was in San Francisco as it was hanging in the clubhouse.
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Somebody call the Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaambulance. Cheating is for the weak. Oh that's right...drugs are only the "finishing touch". Fuck that noise.
As for Biden, he's a Democrat what do you expect, an IQ above room temperature? His belonging to the extra-chromosome set doesn't excuse someone taking dope to succeed. Grow some stones, the lot of you. What a bunch of manginas.
Cheating....it's actually an even playing field. The only thing that make uneven are the ones that are not on gear. Yes, I know this for a fact.
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Let's talk when Pete Rose gets into the HOF. That's the farkin' travesty.
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How is that Joe Biden's fault? This witch hunt had been going on long before Obama and Biden tool office.
Here's Manny's jersey last year while the team was in San Francisco as it was hanging in the clubhouse.
It started years ago. Yes waaay before Obama/Biden
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Cheating....it's actually an even playing field. The only thing that make uneven are the ones that are not on gear. Yes, I know this for a fact.
Take the easy way out by removing decency, honesty and honor, eh? Fuck that noise. This pussy and the rest like him should have their suspensions (Oooops, Manny "The Mangine" Ramirez retired rather than be suspended) changed to maternity leave. Nah, kick 'em out permanently.
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Drugs are for mugs.
Honestly though I dont care and I doubt he does. Probaly just enjoy his millions.
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You want to remove gear, ok fine then get rid everything that's performance enhancing like caffine, red bull, monster, 5hr energy and anything else. You can make the arguement those are more performance enhancing than gear. Tim Lincicome is a known pot head, you going to make the arguement that weed is better for you than gear? They all cheat
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You have this opinion because you are pro steroids because you have taken them.
Ultimately its his job - made money to last him a lifetime I bet he is happy enough.
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Take the easy way out by removing decency, honesty and honor, eh? Fuck that noise. This pussy and the rest like him should have their suspensions (Oooops, Manny "The Mangine" Ramirez retired rather than be suspended) changed to maternity leave. Nah, kick 'em out permanently.
You sound like one of those guys who thinks he would've been a pro at everything if everyone who was better than him hadnt been juicing.
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You sound like one of those guys who thinks he would've been a pro at everything if everyone who was better than him hadnt been juicing.
A poor supposition at best and it is patently false. Look, I am far too small to think something so outrageous and have admitted as much here. I am just against recreational and performance enhancing drugs in sports and in life in general. Look, as I recently stated I respect you and to be honest I am probably the last person you would want to try and insult here because I've had more childish names and insults thrown at me throughout my life (that happens when you're really tiny ;D) and am more than capable of linguistically dissecting those that try. ;)
You are not one of those people. Like I said before, I respect you but you and I shall just have to agree to disagree on this subject. The choice is yours, young man.
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A poor supposition at best and it is patently false. Look, I am far too small to think something so outrageous and have admitted as much here. I am just against recreational and performance enhancing drugs in sports and in life in general. Look, as I recently stated I respect you and to be honest I am probably the last person you would want to try and insult here because I've had more childish names and insults thrown at me throughout my life (that happens when you're really tiny ;D) and am more than capable of linguistically dissecting those that try. ;)
You are not one of those people. Like I said before, I respect you but you and I shall just have to agree to disagree on this subject. The choice is yours, young man.
Sadly, I am not so young, nor am I trying to hurl insults, I just have a difficult time understanding how people can be so opinionated about what others are doing when said actions have zero effect on them personally.
Albeit completely misguided, I can understand why people need to have a scapegoat to accept their own short comings, ie everyone was better cause I was clean and they weren't, biden is a good example of this, but your case is therefore even stranger to me.
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Sadly, I am not so young, nor am I trying to hurl insults, I just have a difficult time understanding how people can be so opinionated about what others are doing when said actions have zero effect on them personally.
A robbery on the other side of town wherein someones life is taken has no effect upon anyone other than the victim. It is still a crime and you are selected for the jury but as the crime in question has had zero effect on you personally you must recuse yourself because your opinion is invalid. This in spite of it being a felony.
Someone runs a red light and they just miss hitting your car, but since it has no lasting affect on you no one should care. It was still breaking the law and a LEO was present but decides against writing a ticket because you were not personally affected in an manner that will last more than a few minutes at best. No harm, no problem. Again, in spite of it being a genuine offense you were not personally affected (i.e., harmed in any real way).
You are mugged but they drop the money as they run away. They are caught within minutes but the police decided to let them go because after all, you still have your money and they didn't actually harm you. Yup, you guessed it. You were not personally affected. No harm and you still have your money.
We cannot pick and choose the laws you obey. You can state that steroid use is nothing compared to my analogies, but it is against the law to use them without a prescription and they are banned from many sporting activities/competitions. We can rail against laws and quite possibly break them either in protest or as a matter of personal habit or disregard (and many people do) or we can work to have them changed or removed but that is up to we the people and our system of government.
A friend of mine once told me that different people have different levels of disgust. By that he meant that we all tolerate that which is immoral or illegal according to our personal level(s) of disgust. It has nothing to do with being "better" than anyone else, instead it is based upon what we will or will not accept as good and evil or right and wrong. I think PEDs are cheating no matter if one or everyone engages in them. I think murder is murder and robbery is robbery. Morality is not really all that relative with the caveat of again, what a person is personally willing to overlook. Or not. It really is that simple.
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In every scenario you presented there was a victim or nearly a victim. Who is the victim when a guy takes 4iu of gh, an adderal and a cup of coffee, in the morning before going to work out? And explain the arbitrary decision of caffine totally legal, adderal by perscription, gh illegal.
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A robbery on the other side of town wherein someones life is taken has no effect upon anyone other than the victim. It is still a crime and you are selected for the jury but as the crime in question has had zero effect on you personally you must recuse yourself because your opinion is invalid. This in spite of it being a felony.
Someone runs a red light and they just miss hitting your car, but since it has no lasting affect on you no one should care. It was still breaking the law and a LEO was present but decides against writing a ticket because you were not personally affected in an manner that will last more than a few minutes at best. No harm, no problem. Again, in spite of it being a genuine offense you were not personally affected (i.e., harmed in any real way).
You are mugged but they drop the money as they run away. They are caught within minutes but the police decided to let them go because after all, you still have your money and they didn't actually harm you. Yup, you guessed it. You were not personally affected. No harm and you still have your money.
We cannot pick and choose the laws you obey. You can state that steroid use is nothing compared to my analogies, but it is against the law to use them without a prescription and they are banned from many sporting activities/competitions. We can rail against laws and quite possibly break them either in protest or as a matter of personal habit or disregard (and many people do) or we can work to have them changed or removed but that is up to we the people and our system of government.
A friend of mine once told me that different people have different levels of disgust. By that he meant that we all tolerate that which is immoral or illegal according to our personal level(s) of disgust. It has nothing to do with being "better" than anyone else, instead it is based upon what we will or will not accept as good and evil or right and wrong. I think PEDs are cheating no matter if one or everyone engages in them. I think murder is murder and robbery is robbery. Morality is not really all that relative with the caveat of again, what a person is personally willing to overlook. Or not. It really is that simple.
Going into the novel-writing business, pixie? :)
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In every scenario you presented there was a victim or nearly a victim. Who is the victim when a guy takes 4iu of gh, an adderal and a cup of coffee, in the morning before going to work out? And explain the arbitrary decision of caffine totally legal, adderal by perscription, gh illegal.
Nope. There was nothing that affected you. Ergo, you cannot pass judgement. That was and is my point. There are many laws that do not affect you and yet they are valid. Would you have them removed from the books? I think not, sir. Of course I am aware of laws that are archaic in nature but excluding those and societal zeitgeists being what they are (i.e., liberals want nearly everything "legal" and acceptable), I still think not.
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Going into the novel-writing business, pixie? :)
Nope. I know of no one that would buy the tripe that flows from my little mind. ;D
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who?
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Ciba was handing out DBOL in 1960 to doctors and "athletes". Rumors are that Roger Maris and other Yankees used it throughout the 60's. Check out Maris's home run numbers. There's no way that guy should have hit 61 home runs in 1961.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/marisro01.shtml
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Ciba was handing out DBOL in 1960 to doctors and "athletes". Rumors are that Roger Maris and other Yankees used it throughout the 60's. Check out Maris's home run numbers. There's no way that guy should have hit 61 home runs in 1961.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/marisro01.shtml
Abominable Snoman, you tell more lies than Pinnochio.
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A robbery on the other side of town wherein someones life is taken has no effect upon anyone other than the victim. It is still a crime and you are selected for the jury but as the crime in question has had zero effect on you personally you must recuse yourself because your opinion is invalid. This in spite of it being a felony.
Someone runs a red light and they just miss hitting your car, but since it has no lasting affect on you no one should care. It was still breaking the law and a LEO was present but decides against writing a ticket because you were not personally affected in an manner that will last more than a few minutes at best. No harm, no problem. Again, in spite of it being a genuine offense you were not personally affected (i.e., harmed in any real way).
You are mugged but they drop the money as they run away. They are caught within minutes but the police decided to let them go because after all, you still have your money and they didn't actually harm you. Yup, you guessed it. You were not personally affected. No harm and you still have your money.
We cannot pick and choose the laws you obey. You can state that steroid use is nothing compared to my analogies, but it is against the law to use them without a prescription and they are banned from many sporting activities/competitions. We can rail against laws and quite possibly break them either in protest or as a matter of personal habit or disregard (and many people do) or we can work to have them changed or removed but that is up to we the people and our system of government.
A friend of mine once told me that different people have different levels of disgust. By that he meant that we all tolerate that which is immoral or illegal according to our personal level(s) of disgust. It has nothing to do with being "better" than anyone else, instead it is based upon what we will or will not accept as good and evil or right and wrong. I think PEDs are cheating no matter if one or everyone engages in them. I think murder is murder and robbery is robbery. Morality is not really all that relative with the caveat of again, what a person is personally willing to overlook. Or not. It really is that simple.
Nope. There was nothing that affected you. Ergo, you cannot pass judgement. That was and is my point. There are many laws that do not affect you and yet they are valid. Would you have them removed from the books? I think not, sir. Of course I am aware of laws that are archaic in nature but excluding those and societal zeitgeists being what they are (i.e., liberals want nearly everything "legal" and acceptable), I still think not.
But thats not true. That robbery across town which claimed a life, that was my father who was killed. I am now a victim of that crime. And yes, if there are laws on the books that serve no purpose other than to create crimes absent of a victim, I would absolutely take them off the books.
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Abominable Snoman, you tell more lies than Pinnochio.
I guess ex MLBaseball pitcher of the early 70's Tom House is a liar also ::)
The 1963 Chargers were the first full "team" to start playing around with Ciba's dbol. They handed out packets of dbol to the guys. Everyone openly talked about it. However some baseball players reportedly had their hands on some a couple years before that. MLB has done everything to keep that secret a secret. ;)
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3866837
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methandrostenolone
Check out MLB's Tom House's wiki. Says tons of players in the 70's were using steroids/hgh. Hank Aaron just happened to play on the same team as Tom in 1974. Hank Aaron is an asshole for not telling the truth about what the players in the 60's and 70's were doing IMOP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_House
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But thats not true. That robbery across town which claimed a life, that was my father who was killed. I am now a victim of that crime. And yes, if there are laws on the books that serve no purpose other than to create crimes absent of a victim, I would absolutely take them off the books.
Where in my "example" did you see that the "victim" had children? Such a variable was never included by myself. As to your other statement, I would definitely remove archaic laws that no longer dealt with genuine crimes. Drugs are generally a crime that encompasses many "victims" if you will. Just as alcohol use touches many lives outside alcoholics themselves, so do does drug use including PEDs. For the record I am against bench/squat/deadlift "suits". Why? They are cheating. It is not the body doing the lift but the body artificially assisted by a "suit".
You and I could continue to try and counterpoint each other into oblivion. I will never rationalize or justify so-called "recreational" drugs or PEDs. For me, such things are for the weak minded. If I can't build the physique I want with what nature has given me, then I will build the body I am capable of with what nature has bestowed upon me and it will have come from within myself and not a syringe or bottle.
There is more to be said for that than for any 23 inch, drug built, oil filled arm or 1000 lb. neoprene suit assisted bench press. Some people want more than they are capable of doing on their own. For them there are drugs and lifting suits. For the rest of us there's health and the satisfaction of having built our strength and bodies ourselves.
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Nope. There was nothing that affected you. Ergo, you cannot pass judgement. That was and is my point. There are many laws that do not affect you and yet they are valid. Would you have them removed from the books? I think not, sir. Of course I am aware of laws that are archaic in nature but excluding those and societal zeitgeists being what they are (i.e., liberals want nearly everything "legal" and acceptable), I still think not.
"Winners do what losers won't do"
a quote repeated by Phil Heath, a former college basketball player...
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How is that Joe Biden's fault? This witch hunt had been going on long before Obama and Biden tool office.
Here's Manny's jersey last year while the team was in San Francisco as it was hanging in the clubhouse.
His fault, no but he's one of the major players and most important figures in the history of anti-steroid laws. Joe Biden is the principle author of the Steroid Control Act.
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Good for him. His final way of saying f u to the powers that be.
Agree
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7emkl5dae1qae5rmo1_500.jpg)
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Cheating....it's actually an even playing field. The only thing that make uneven are the ones that are not on gear. Yes, I know this for a fact.
Dude, we agree on something.
That is all.
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Agree
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7emkl5dae1qae5rmo1_500.jpg)
haha thats so fucked :D
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Yes Joe Biden is THE idiot politician reading steroids. ::)
Who signed it?
Anabolic Steroid Restriction act of 1990
Hint: Moses talked to a burning _ _ _ _ .
Who said it?
“Unfortunately, some in professional sports are not setting much of an example for our children. The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids in baseball, football and other sports is dangerous and it sends the wrong message: that there are shortcuts to accomplishment and that performance is more important than character. So tonight I call on team owners, union representatives, coaches and players to take the lead, to send the right signal, to get tough and to get rid of steroids now.”
Hint: Source: 2004 State of the Union address to joint session of Congress Jan 20, 2004
Hint: The burning _ _ _ _’s son.
bush with help from weider in 1990 to create the supplement industry
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bush with help from weider in 1990 to create the supplement industry
You win a stuffed elephant.
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*sigh*
Joe Biden was the one who authored the bill.
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bush with help from weider in 1990 to create the supplement industry
But now they are going after the supplement industry.