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http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html
What does everyone think about this?
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Skimmed it. No discussion of Al Qaeda and radical Islamists?
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Skimmed it. No discussion of Al Qaeda and radical Islamists?
Well the real enemy is Russia and China
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You mean no threat of Al CIAda?
"The database" was created by the CIA during the Russian/ Afghan war with the aid of Obama's puppet master Zbignew Brenzenski. Now its has come back to bite us in the ass.
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freeborn, please explain this to 333386.
he is a huge alex jones follower - except for the shit that went down under repub presidents. 911 and al-Q. He can't accept that, but he believes everything alex says about clinton 92-2000 and obama now.
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freeborn, please explain this to 333386.
he is a huge alex jones follower - except for the shit that went down under repub presidents. 911 and al-Q. He can't accept that, but he believes everything alex says about clinton 92-2000 and obama now.
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The Left/right false paradigm is out in plain sight. Everyone should be aware of the engineered deception by now. Pepsi/Coke, Repub/Democrat, take your pick, they both taste a little different but in the end they are both they same type of product.
However, I will say that the globalists primary means of infiltration into our government is via the democrat party. The Republicans at least still have some dissenters like Ron/Rand Paul, Demint, Mike Lee, etc. The dems have no one. But Bush Sr./jr. were just as bad as Clinton/Obama. Reagan tried to rule with honesty and for the people but he was constantly undermined by Bush Sr.
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Well what do you guys think about WW3 happening by the end of this decade? I think Joel Skousen really makes a good point about it.
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Well what do you guys think about WW3 happening by the end of this decade? I think Joel Skousen really makes a good point about it.
I have been ready for TSHTF since Nov. 2008. I probably a better armed than the rebels in lybia at this point.
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Well the real enemy is Russia and China
You think so? Al Qaeda and radical Islamists are the ones killing Americans. They are the ones constantly planning terrorist attacks. I think they are a much bigger threat to our safety than Russia or China (especially Russia).
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You think so? Al Qaeda and radical Islamists are the ones killing Americans. They are the ones constantly planning terrorist attacks. I think they are a much bigger threat to our safety than Russia or China (especially Russia).
statistically speaking, there is a VERY small chance your life will ever be affected by the muslims on the other side of the world that hate americans. most will stew and piss and moan in their little mud hut and never afford a plane ticket.
have russia/china affected your life already? Oh, you betcha! The weakening US Dollar over the past decade, as russia rebuilt and china hoarded our debt as fast as their people have hoarded precious metals. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
So while the guy in iran screaming in the streets is the threat the media likes to play, its the russia/china dynamic that will really bring down US power in the world - look at the decline from 2000 to 2011 alone - currency, standing, ability to 'call shots'. The G20 is telling us a new cuurency is coming. THAT hurts our lives in a big way - permanently.
So 'safety' - yes, rus/china aren't going to blow themselves up in a mall near you.
statistically, neither wll some asshat from kabul.
However, it's a certainty that RUS/CHI will make your life worse.
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statistically speaking, there is a VERY small chance your life will ever be affected by the muslims on the other side of the world that hate americans. most will stew and piss and moan in their little mud hut and never afford a plane ticket.
have russia/china affected your life already? Oh, you betcha! The weakening US Dollar over the past decade, as russia rebuilt and china hoarded our debt as fast as their people have hoarded precious metals. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
So while the guy in iran screaming in the streets is the threat the media likes to play, its the russia/china dynamic that will really bring down US power in the world - look at the decline from 2000 to 2011 alone - currency, standing, ability to 'call shots'. The G20 is telling us a new cuurency is coming. THAT hurts our lives in a big way - permanently.
So 'safety' - yes, rus/china aren't going to blow themselves up in a mall near you.
statistically, neither wll some asshat from kabul.
However, it's a certainty that RUS/CHI will make your life worse.
::) Go read a book.
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::) Go read a book.
hey man, your personal insults seem to incrase when i'm making good points.
you worry about some dickhead in his hut screaming to his friends about what his version of God says.
I prefer to focus upon the real economic ramifications of RUS/CHI relations and their mgmt of US debt and trade.
You got your brown boogeyman. I'll watch my PM basket. We'll see who ends up right.
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240 - I'm a libertarian.
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hey man, your personal insults seem to incrase when i'm making good points.
you worry about some dickhead in his hut screaming to his friends about what his version of God says.
I prefer to focus upon the real economic ramifications of RUS/CHI relations and their mgmt of US debt and trade.
You got your brown boogeyman. I'll watch my PM basket. We'll see who ends up right.
You rarely make good points. I do not take you seriously. HTH :)
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You think so? Al Qaeda and radical Islamists are the ones killing Americans. They are the ones constantly planning terrorist attacks. I think they are a much bigger threat to our safety than Russia or China (especially Russia).
If the supposed " terrorist threat " was real then why haven't there been any attacks over this last decade? Our southern border is left open and if there was a real terrorist threat then they would be making full use of it. I mean this is just common sense
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A FEW COMMENTS FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND THE THREAT BUT DOUBT CONSPIRACY
There is one major mistake in assumption that almost all people make who object to conspiracy--they assume that everyone or nearly everyone contributing to the conspirator's agenda must know there is a conspiracy and be privy to the entire plan and all its details. This is not true, but conjuring up this assumption allows people to easily dismiss conspiracy with the understanding that too many knowing people would make it impossible to keep the secret. I certainly have never made a case for that all or even a many of the participants know the whole plan or even substantial parts of it. -Quite the contrary. All my writings have concentrated on explaining how and why top level conspirators use masses of predictable leftists, yes-men, ambitious lackeys and partially knowing ladder-climbers to do their bidding--specifically so as to limit the number who have "need to know" access. They cement together the whole conglomerate with subtle and not so subtle threats--and occasionally carry them out. Many are bought off with regular payments--like journalists and judges. Most know only parts of the puzzle.
However, almost everyone in high places does know there is "power structure" above them they dare not challenge, they also know it isn't good for their job, advancement or health to "ask too many questions." Read any number of the tales by federal whistleblowers to confirm this general fear. Thus, most participants rationalize it all away as some benevolent control system, or believing that "whoever they are" must control the world in order to have stability. Others, especially in the enforcement ranks, are just too corrupt to care. But the bottom line is: very few know that the Powers That Be (PTB) intend to pull the nuclear trigger via Russia and China. All the little steps leading up to weakening the US and building up Russia and China are covered by liberal notions of "détente," "easing tensions," and "peace." These lesser officials who are tasked to defend these lies tend to believe their own propaganda.
However, the ones at the very top, who do know how to use war to create Hegelian responses, are very very evil--something most of the world doesn't really believe in anymore, and that is why many people can't conceive of or believe in this horrible brand of conspiracy. But keep in mind what they did before in building up Hitler, only to set him loose on Europe during WWII. The war created a justification for the UN and facilitated the rise of a new enemy (Russia) in its aftermath. Remember Pearl Harbor--not because of the infamy of Japan, but the infamy of Roosevelt and his leftist crew who induced Japan to attack and hid the information from our own military in Hawaii. It happened before, so why should it be so hard to believe now? We are reaching the culmination of what George Marshall and his cohorts planned by creating a cold war enemy. Russia was allowed to rise and have hegemony over Europe in order to create the next war. The phony demise of "Communism" is merely the final effort to lull the West into complacency before the strike. We are about to see it descend upon the world.
In all of this, I'm certainly not discounting the military-industrial complex argument, but it doesn't explain why people that are already fabulously wealthy and who control the reigns of power are still pushing the world toward greater and greater global control. None of this will give them any more personal power or wealth. How much money and power can any single person use? The military industrial complex argument doesn't explain the rush to suicide and disarmament at an alarming rate. Some participants are blind, but surely some must suspect this is very dangerous game and are going along in order to please some other very powerful people above them.
But let there be no doubt--the top echelon expects to survive this--why else have they built significant bunkers at US taxpayer expense, and private bunkers in resort homes in Colorado at their own expense. Somebody knows something is coming. Also, war is not as futile a tactic as most conspiracy debunkers assume. At least 2/3 of the world will survive this even without preparations, and virtually all the high level people who know that war is coming have made preparations to survive it.
Jeff Nyquist and many others do not believe in conspiracy--at least on a broad scale. They try to explain things in terms of mistakes, blunders and attempts to cover for those blunders. The basic problem I have with Nyquist's reliance on standard psychological and sociological models is that it breaks down with the more specific information I have about the detailed actions of those involved in the government's undermining of our national interests--in exchange for global and leftist interests. I've never met an honest conspiracy debunker yet who has really read all the literature of the defectors from the CIA and other black agencies. Of course, virtually none of the defectors themselves sees the big picture either--but the evidence is clear that the whistleblowers all knew that the higher ups directly conspired to keep them silent. We have to look at the long historical trend of conformity to leftist ideology in these cover ups to perceive the unified purpose behind these actions. Few witnesses immersed in the details of a whistleblower's tragic battles with government have the talent to see the correlation and pattern of action that point to a coordinated plan of attack on liberty and national sovereignty. It's too easy to focus on the specific injustice.
For example, the excuse that the betrayal of US security interests by CIA or State Department officials is a cover-up for past mistakes is a weak conclusion. Certainly, mistakes happen, no matter how much power the PTB have. But covering for blunders alone does not explain why high government officials keep making NEW MISTAKES in the same consistent direction (leftward) and why there are more and more NEW EFFORTS to cover for NEW threats from the Russians and Chinese . Why is it that we never see any official learn from the blunders of the past? Why is it that the betrayals keep accelerating and getting broader? The more diverse the agencies involved and the more people that are brought into the net of betrayal, the less possible it is that they are all acting only to cover for mistakes. There has to be some other explanation that keeps generation after generation of government officials moving toward a single direction.
Cover-ups are what I consider my best evidence for conspiracy--simply because of the interconnectedness between disconnected officials and agencies that happens in a conspiracy. But now Nyquist comes along and, while admitting that cover ups exist, claims that there is no plan behind them--that it is only normal sociological motives of rogue individuals. I don't buy it--mainly because of the many many years this has been going on, and the fact that it has always had a powerful continuum of hostility toward the interests of liberty. If it were people covering for people, the process would clear itself from time to time or even reverse directions. It would be more random. But it isn't random. It shows all too much disturbing evidence of continual forward movement--purposeful movement, in my opinion.
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o13 is this your article? If not whats the background of the guy who wrote it?
I read some of the link, i think either Russia or China would happy to the power America enjoys and would naturally be striving to do that. So I don't neccessarily see any conspiracy in that because it's kind of the nature of the animal so to speak.
Addtionally, our Defense posture might be different now, especially with conventional weapons. For example: how we monitor the eastern seaboard might not be as stringent as it was prior to 1991. However, I don't think our nuclear arsenal nor our early warning system is " turned off" so I don't see how a Russian first strike will wipe us out with out them getting wiped out also.
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You think so? Al Qaeda and radical Islamists are the ones killing Americans. They are the ones constantly planning terrorist attacks. I think they are a much bigger threat to our safety than Russia or China (especially Russia).
Terrorism is an immediate threat, while China and Russia are strategic threats.
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o13 is this your article? If not whats the background of the guy who wrote it?
I read some of the link, i think either Russia or China would happy to the power America enjoys and would naturally be striving to do that. So I don't neccessarily see any conspiracy in that because it's kind of the nature of the animal so to speak.
Addtionally, our Defense posture might be different now, especially with conventional weapons. For example: how we monitor the eastern seaboard might not be as stringent as it was prior to 1991. However, I don't think our nuclear arsenal nor our early warning system is " turned off" so I don't see how a Russian first strike will wipe us out with out them getting wiped out also.
This is not my article thats part of the article of that link I posted above. This is all written by a man named Joel Skousen. Here is his website http://www.joelskousen.com/ and his bio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Skousen. As far as a first strike on us he discusses how they would be able to pull that one off because of a standing order that we are supposed to absorb a first strike attack.
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This is not my article thats part of the article of that link I posted above. This is all written by a man named Joel Skousen. Here is his website http://www.joelskousen.com/ and his bio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Skousen. As far as a first strike on us he discusses how they would be able to pull that one off because of a standing order that we are supposed to absorb a first strike attack.
Wouldn't we absorb a first strike regardless? I don't know that we have a legit missle defense system yet. Also wouldn't they absorb our strike also?
Or is it that our protocol is not to do anything while their missle are in the air?
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Terrorism is an immediate threat, while China and Russia are strategic threats.
I think BB combined the two into "threat", like FOX does.
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If the supposed " terrorist threat " was real then why haven't there been any attacks over this last decade? Our southern border is left open and if there was a real terrorist threat then they would be making full use of it. I mean this is just common sense
Because we have stopped numerous attempted attacks. Common sense tells me that if we have stopped numerous attempted terrorist attacks, that terrorists have been and continue to plot ways to kill Americans.
Here is a link talking about how we stopped 19 attempted terrorist attacks since 9/11: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/11/us-thwarts-19-terrorist-attacks-against-america-since-9-11
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Terrorism is an immediate threat, while China and Russia are strategic threats.
What's the difference? Terrorism is both an immediate and long-term threat. Radical Islamists have the delusional goal of taking over the world, or at a minimum stamping out our way of life. They want us to convert or die.
BTW, when was the last time someone acting on behalf of the Russian or Chinese governments tried to kill Americans?
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I think BB combined the two into "threat", like FOX does.
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Because we have stopped numerous attempted attacks. Common sense tells me that if we have stopped numerous attempted terrorist attacks, that terrorists have been and continue to plot ways to kill Americans.
Here is a link talking about how we stopped 19 attempted terrorist attacks since 9/11: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/11/us-thwarts-19-terrorist-attacks-against-america-since-9-11
If there was a real threat like I said before there would have been something happening. I mean this is a big country our security is not that great to begin with.
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If there was a real threat like I said before there would have been something happening. I mean this is a big country our security is not that great to begin with.
Did you look at the link?
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I certaintly did
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If there was a real threat like I said before there would have been something happening. I mean this is a big country our security is not that great to begin with.
Exactly, nothing is stopping anyone who would want to harm this country.
High school kids can figure out how to shoot up a school, but big bad Al Qaeda can't?
Huh...
Fact of the matter is, this war on "TERROR" is a sham...
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I certaintly did
So you don't think the fact we have stopped at least 19 terrorist attacks since 9/11 explains why we haven't been attacked?
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Exactly, nothing is stopping anyone who would want to harm this country.
High school kids can figure out how to shoot up a school, but big bad Al Qaeda can't?
Huh...
Fact of the matter is, this war on "TERROR" is a sham...
Go on youtube and look up Joel Skousen and his interviews and he nails it as to how it is NOT a real threat.
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So you don't think the fact we have stopped at least 19 terrorist attacks since 9/11 explains why we haven't been attacked?
Actually yeah it doesn't because look at this simple fact. It is easy to be a terrorist and if they truly wanted to do us harm they could have. I mean like I said before were a big country with a huge open border.
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Go on youtube and look up Joel Skousen and his interviews and he nails it as to how it is NOT a real threat.
Or better yet, go buy and read the book "The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11." I recently read this. Great book. Will give you a good understanding of what we're fighting against.
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Or better yet, go buy and read the book "The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11." I recently read this. Great book. Will give you a good understanding of what we're fighting against.
Or how about the fact that we have been interfering in that region for years and now were occupying two and now a soon to be third one where the people don't want us there?
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Actually yeah it doesn't because look at this simple fact. It is easy to be a terrorist and if they truly wanted to do us harm they could have. I mean like I said before were a big country with a huge open border.
Except they tried and failed, repeatedly, which the link I posted shows.
They're not really going to walk into liquor store and shoot a clerk. They try and plan attacks on a much broader scale. They want a much bigger impact.
I agree we are extremely vulnerable. Another major attack is coming. We have done a phenomenal job since 9/11, but we will not be able to stop every attack planned by those cockroaches.
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Go on youtube and look up Joel Skousen and his interviews and he nails it as to how it is NOT a real threat.
Thank you, I'll take a look!
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Except they tried and failed, repeatedly, which the link I posted shows.
They're not really going to walk into liquor store and shoot a clerk. They try and plan attacks on a much broader scale. They want a much bigger impact.
I agree we are extremely vulnerable. Another major attack is coming. We have done a phenomenal job since 9/11, but we will not be able to stop every attack planned by those cockroaches.
We can stop another attack from happening if we stop these predator drone attacks on people
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Or how about the fact that we have been interfering in that region for years and now were occupying two and now a soon to be third one where the people don't want us there?
We actually need to be in the region, but that's only part of the reason why the crazies want to kill us.
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We actually need to be in the region
Why, in your opinion do we need to be?
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We actually need to be in the region, but that's only part of the reason why the crazies want to kill us.
Not only do we have no right to be there that is a HUGE reason to hate us. What right do we have to have soldiers over there? Also how is murdering people who never did anything to us doing us or anyone for that matter any good?
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Science and facts always win
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Why, in your opinion do we need to be?
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For at least a few reasons. That's where many of our enemies are, and we need to be able to strike fast when necessary.
We also have an ally (Israel) that is surrounded by people that want them dead.
We need to be able to deal with Iran if they get too close to developing or obtaining nukes.
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Not only do we have no right to be there that is a HUGE reason to hate us. What right do we have to have soldiers over there? Also how is murdering people who never did anything to us doing us or anyone for that matter any good?
We have a right to be anywhere we are invited. And as of right now, we are an invited guest of every country where have temporary or permanent military bases.
Who is murdering people? Other than terrorists?
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For at least a few reasons. That's where many of our enemies are, and we need to be able to strike fast when necessary.
We also have an ally (Israel) that is surrounded by people that want them dead.
We need to be able to deal with Iran if they get too close to developing or obtaining nukes.
They are our enemies because we are there
That is Israels problem NOT ours! We shouldn't be supporting, giving them OUR taxpayer dollars and should not be getting involved in their business. If they develop a nuke thats their business. We have nuclear weapons, how would we feel if another country told us to give ours up? We have no right to tell another nation what they can and can not own.
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They are our enemies because we are there
That is Israels problem NOT ours! We shouldn't be supporting, giving them OUR taxpayer dollars and should not be getting involved in their business. If they develop a nuke thats their business. We have nuclear weapons, how would we feel if another country told us to give ours up? We have no right to tell another nation what they can and can not own.
Of course we have the right to tell another country they can't have nukes. We are the biggest, baddest kid on the block. :) If a country like Iran, which wants to exterminate one of our allies, funds terrorism, aids enemies who kill Americans, wants to obtain nukes, we can say "no." Because we can. And should.
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We have a right to be anywhere we are invited. And as of right now, we are an invited guest of every country where have temporary or permanent military bases.
Who is murdering people? Other than terrorists?
Were NOT invited in Iraq,A-stan, or libya for that matter. Those predator drones we use in pakistan we have been killing civilians left and right. You don't think thats making people angry or growing hate toward us? Also we can't afford to have bases all over the world at this point.
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Were NOT invited in Iraq,A-stan, or libya for that matter. Those predator drones we use in pakistan we have been killing civilians left and right. You don't think thats making people angry or growing hate toward us? Also we can't afford to have bases all over the world at this point.
That's not true. We are in Iraq and Afghanistan at the express invitation of their respective governments. Didn't start that way, but that's how it is now.
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Of course we have the right to tell another country they can't have nukes. We are the biggest, baddest kid on the block. :) If a country like Iran, which wants to exterminate one of our allies, funds terrorism, aids enemies who kill Americans, wants to obtain nukes, we can say "no." Because we can. And should.
There are a numerous strategic resources they have that corporations want such oil in iraq and A-stan there is lithium and opium. Ok if nuclear weapons are the reason why haven't we stripped them from other nations around the world? Just who the hell are we to tell others how to live their lives? If a country like Iran wants to exterminate israel then thats their business. We must stay like a constitutional republic and NOT and empire like we are now. Empires fall and die.
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That's not true. We are in Iraq and Afghanistan at the express invitation of their respective governments. Didn't start that way, but that's how it is now.
So you don't think that the fact that the people are fighting us over there is a sign that they don't want us there?
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This is Operation northwoods http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
How come bin laden isn't listed for causing 9/11 http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists
Most of the american public thinks osama bin laden is responsible for 9/11 but yet our FBI doesn't even list 9/11 as one of his major crimes and their response is that they don't have enough evidence.
Fabled enemies
Terror storm
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There are a numerous strategic resources they have that corporations want such oil in iraq and A-stan there is lithium and opium. Ok if nuclear weapons are the reason why haven't we stripped them from other nations around the world? Just who the hell are we to tell others how to live their lives? If a country like Iran wants to exterminate israel then thats their business. We must stay like a constitutional republic and NOT and empire like we are now. Empires fall and die.
I disagree. I don't believe in isolationism. We should work together with other nations where practical, and crush them when necessary (e.g., Iraq invading Kuwait).
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So you don't think that the fact that the people are fighting us over there is a sign that they don't want us there?
Of course. I was addressing your contention that we are not invitees of the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan. We are. We leave when they tell us to leave.
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I disagree. I don't believe in isolationism. We should work together with other nations where practical, and crush them when necessary (e.g., Iraq invading Kuwait).
::) Did you look at any of the evidence I presented? Let me guess your all for a draft and a big supporter of big worthless goverment?
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Of course. I was addressing your contention that we are not invitees of the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan. We are. We leave when they tell us to leave.
So our country takes orders from other goverments and not the will of the american public that wants us out of there? Also the people in those regions want us gone and is setting up a supposed free goverment mean the people rule? So therefore we should leave
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::) Did you look at any of the evidence I presented? Let me guess your all for a draft and a big supporter of big worthless goverment?
Evidence of what?
A draft? What in the world?? Not sure where that came from.
I am not a supporter of big government. I don't trust the government. They take way too much of my hard earned money.
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So our country takes orders from other goverments and not the will of the american public that wants us out of there? Also the people in those regions want us gone and is setting up a supposed free goverment mean the people rule? So therefore we should leave
No. Some people want us to leave. The governments want us to stay. So we stay.
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Evidence of what?
A draft? What in the world?? Not sure where that came from.
I am not a supporter of big government. I don't trust the government. They take way too much of my hard earned money.
The links I posted before support my orginal position on 9/11. Well usually when I meet people who say we need to be here and there they want a draft. If your not a supporter of big goverment then how can you say you like all the military action thats been going on? yet your believing the goverment on this topic of taking us to war and for them to justify this militarism they use that to take your money.
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No. Some people want us to leave. The governments want us to stay. So we stay.
Cannot play anymore. It's supper time. :)
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Oh ok so our country takes orders from other goverments and not our own people and not even at the wishes of the people who live there that want us to leave who are supposed to be living in a country that we invaded for bullshit reasons and set up a goverment of the people, by the people and for the people. Yeah ok your logic makes perfect sense I'm not going to keep this up because to be blunt you lost the argument before you even started it. Nuff said
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What's the difference? Terrorism is both an immediate and long-term threat. Radical Islamists have the delusional goal of taking over the world, or at a minimum stamping out our way of life. They want us to convert or die.
BTW, when was the last time someone acting on behalf of the Russian or Chinese governments tried to kill Americans?
The difference is that terrorist are a nuisance compared to what russai and china can do economically and strategically.
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Wouldn't we absorb a first strike regardless? I don't know that we have a legit missle defense system yet. Also wouldn't they absorb our strike also?
Or is it that our protocol is not to do anything while their missle are in the air?
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Sorry about that one I got distracted with some other things. To answer your question yes we would not launch until we absorbed a first strike which the problem that leads us to is how do we strike back because they would be targeting our nukes first.
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Sorry about that one I got distracted with some other things. To answer your question yes we would not launch until we absorbed a first strike which the problem that leads us to is how do we strike back because they would be targeting our nukes first.
Is there a link for that or is that common knowledge? That doesn't seems right. Don't we have enough nuclear subs for a strike back?
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Is there a link for that or is that common knowledge? That doesn't seems right. Don't we have enough nuclear subs for a strike back?
http://www.uhuh.com/laws/pdd60a.htm this is a link thats talks about that
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Joel Skousen also discusses this in this interview
you can follow the other parts to it on the youtube site itself
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So our military basically feels that we can absorb a first strike and still be in a position to launch a significant retaliatory strike? And that's the new form of deference?
Can we?
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So our military basically feels that we can absorb a first strike and still be in a position to launch a significant retaliatory strike? And that's the new form of deference?
Can we?
Joel Skousen does a much better job explaining it then I do but yes they think that and no we can't in reality launch back. Also we are dismantling and cutting our armed forces left and right. I know someone reading thsi will say oh but what about th huge military budget well only 60 percent is actually spent on the Military the other 40 percent is all just overhead and paperwork.
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Yep, that's exactly how it's going to go down. They fire a bunch of missiles at us, and the President, with the very limited time he will have to react, will be focused on some ancient policy. ::)
Hell, he'll probably call 5 or 6 committee meetings just to debate whether or not he should first issue an executive order to override the policy or if he should convene a special session of Congress to pass a resolution to table the issue for future debate.
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Yep, that's exactly how it's going to go down. They fire a bunch of missiles at us, and the President, with the very limited time he will have to react, will be focused on some ancient policy. ::)
Hell, he'll probably call 5 or 6 committee meetings just to debate whether or not he should first issue an executive order to override the policy or if he should convene a special session of Congress to pass a resolution to table the issue for future debate.
Well neither Bush or Obama have rescidended the order
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The links I posted before support my orginal position on 9/11. Well usually when I meet people who say we need to be here and there they want a draft. If your not a supporter of big goverment then how can you say you like all the military action thats been going on? yet your believing the goverment on this topic of taking us to war and for them to justify this militarism they use that to take your money.
No, I didn't look at that 9/11 crap.
Never said I liked all military actions.
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Oh ok so our country takes orders from other goverments and not our own people and not even at the wishes of the people who live there that want us to leave who are supposed to be living in a country that we invaded for bullshit reasons and set up a goverment of the people, by the people and for the people. Yeah ok your logic makes perfect sense I'm not going to keep this up because to be blunt you lost the argument before you even started it. Nuff said
Yes, we stay in a foreign country at their invitation. We maintain control over our forces. Makes perfectly good sense.
What exactly was the argument? lol . . .
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The difference is that terrorist are a nuisance compared to what russai and china can do economically and strategically.
Nuisance? That's really an understatement. If you look at the last ten years, only one group has brought the entire country to its knees (on 9/11) and repeatedly plotted attacks (see the link I posted earlier). They have changed our entire government. They're responsible for the creation of new department (Homeland Security). They created turmoil in the airline industry. Hardly just a nuisance.
Russia, in particular, is pretty impotent. They don't pose a threat to us economically or militarily. China is an economic threat.
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Nuisance? That's really an understatement. If you look at the last ten years, only one group has brought the entire country to its knees (on 9/11) and repeatedly plotted attacks (see the link I posted earlier). They have changed our entire government. They're responsible for the creation of new department (Homeland Security). They created turmoil in the airline industry. Hardly just a nuisance.
Russia, in particular, is pretty impotent. They don't pose a threat to us economically or militarily. China is an economic threat.
You continue to recite the Fox News canned response to anyone that questions the neo con foreign policy. Have you done any research into false flag attacks by our gov't? The origins of Al CIAda? The blowback caused by our constant interventionism? How many more Soldiers have to give their lives to keep up this unsustainable policy of nation-building? Does China ever get attacked by muslim terrorists? No, because they haven't been over there for the past 60 years screwing things up.
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You continue to recite the Fox News canned response to anyone that questions the neo con foreign policy. Have you done any research into false flag attacks by our gov't? The origins of Al CIAda? The blowback caused by our constant interventionism? How many more Soldiers have to give their lives to keep up this unsustainable policy of nation-building? Does China ever get attacked by muslim terrorists? No, because they haven't been over there for the past 60 years screwing things up.
Do you believe the U.S. government was responsible for 9/11? Just need to know what I'm dealing with. :)
No, I have not done "research" in to "false flag attacks" by our government. Yes I have researched the origins of Al Qaeda, and it didn't involve listening to youtube clips from delusional morons.
Do you dispute what I said here? "If you look at the last ten years, only one group has brought the entire country to its knees (on 9/11) and repeatedly plotted attacks (see the link I posted earlier). They have changed our entire government. They're responsible for the creation of new department (Homeland Security). They created turmoil in the airline industry. Hardly just a nuisance."
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Well neither Bush or Obama have rescidended the order
Yes, I'm completely shocked - it should be at the top of their agendas. Afterall, you never know when some moron with no common sense will argue that that policy means we absolutely must absorb a first strike no matter what the circumstances. The President may not think for himself, or make changes, or adjust to the matter at hand.
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Does China ever get attacked by muslim terrorists? No, because they haven't been over there for the past 60 years screwing things up.
Yeah, you're a bright one alright.
Here's some Muslims attacking the chinese:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/world/asia/06kashgar.html
And some more:
Al Qaeda Leader: China, Enemy to Muslim World
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1929388,00.html#ixzz1J8wUDabA
Chinese arrest four Muslims after jihad bomb attack
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/08/chinese-arrest-four-muslims-after-jihad-bomb-attack.html
Attack in a Chinese Muslim Region Kills 16 Police
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121782782202309489.html
Yep, sure is a good thing those Chinese don't have a problem with Muslims. ::)
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Do you believe the U.S. government was responsible for 9/11? Just need to know what I'm dealing with. :)
No, I have not done "research" in to "false flag attacks" by our government. Yes I have researched the origins of Al Qaeda, and it didn't involve listening to youtube clips from delusional morons.
Do you dispute what I said here? "If you look at the last ten years, only one group has brought the entire country to its knees (on 9/11) and repeatedly plotted attacks (see the link I posted earlier). They have changed our entire government. They're responsible for the creation of new department (Homeland Security). They created turmoil in the airline industry. Hardly just a nuisance."
I'm not saying the US gov't is behind it, I do believe the CIA could very well have been behind it given all the evidence. This false flag stuff has been going on since the Maine blew up in Cuba back in the early 20th to start that war.
The video above explains the false flag undwear bomber that was used as the impetous to push the naked body scanner agenda. The shoe bomber made us take off our shoes, now the underwear bomber makes us get molested or view naked. A government agent helped the underwear bomber on the plane. The dude didnt' have a passport, and that is fact. It is an experiement in human behavior to see how far they can push us in slowly enforcing the police state.
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I'm not saying the US gov't is behind it, I do believe the CIA could very well have been behind it given all the evidence. This false flag stuff has been going on since the Maine blew up in Cuba back in the early 20th to start that war.
The video above explains the false flag undwear bomber that was used as the impetous to push the naked body scanner agenda. The shoe bomber made us take off our shoes, now the underwear bomber makes us get molested or view naked. A government agent helped the underwear bomber on the plane. The dude didnt' have a passport, and that is fact. It is an experiement in human behavior to see how far they can push us in slowly enforcing the police state.
You're not saying the government was behind it, you're just saying the CIA could have been behind it? The CIA IS the government. ::)
The CIA shot a missile into the Pentagon, faked a plane crash, kidnapped and murdered Americans, secretly disposed of the bodies, and planted witnesses to say they saw a plane hit the Pentagon. You should say that to yourself in the mirror and see how utterly stupid it sounds. ::)
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You're not saying the government was behind it, you're just saying the CIA could have been behind it? The CIA IS the government. ::)
The CIA shot a missile into the Pentagon, faked a plane crash, kidnapped and murdered Americans, secretly disposed of the bodies, and planted witnesses to say they saw a plane hit the Pentagon. You should say that to yourself in the mirror and see how utterly stupid it sounds. ::)
It does sound pretty ridiculous until you actually look into.
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You should say that to yourself in the mirror and see how utterly stupid it sounds. ::)
Well, he doesn't think that the Chinese get attacked by Muslims so...
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No, I didn't look at that 9/11 crap.
Never said I liked all military actions.
It's not crap and since you think thats crap just what makes the link you posted is credible? Your words cry hypocrisy
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Yes, we stay in a foreign country at their invitation. We maintain control over our forces. Makes perfectly good sense.
What exactly was the argument? lol . . .
Again the PEOPLE DON'T WANT US THERE! The PEOPLE are supposed to be in control of the goverment and the goverment answers to them NOT the other way around! Were doing to those people what the British were doing to us in the American Revolution.
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So just how many countries do you think/want to invade? Also please explain just how we can maintain this crap for years and years to come
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It does sound pretty ridiculous until you actually look into.
No it doesn't.
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Well, he doesn't think that the Chinese get attacked by Muslims so...
This board is like a gimmick magnet.
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You're not saying the government was behind it, you're just saying the CIA could have been behind it? The CIA IS the government. ::)
The CIA shot a missile into the Pentagon, faked a plane crash, kidnapped and murdered Americans, secretly disposed of the bodies, and planted witnesses to say they saw a plane hit the Pentagon. You should say that to yourself in the mirror and see how utterly stupid it sounds. ::)
Well if you consider the CIA to be under the complete control of Congress or the President then I guess that is your own opinion. I believe they are a reckless organization with way to much power and way too much secrecy. That much secrecy is not healthy for a nation and if you think the President even knows 1/2 of what the CIA is doing I'm afraid you are mistaken.
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It's not crap and since you think thats crap just what makes the link you posted is credible? Your words cry hypocrisy
Really? I'm not practicing what I preach? How so?
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So just how many countries do you think/want to invade? Also please explain just how we can maintain this crap for years and years to come
Just one: Mexico. For the food.
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Well if you consider the CIA to be under the complete control of Congress or the President then I guess that is your own opinion. I believe they are a reckless organization with way to much power and way too much secrecy. That much secrecy is not healthy for a nation and if you think the President even knows 1/2 of what the CIA is doing I'm afraid you are mistaken.
Is this another getbig.com exclusive?
I should just let this go, because I have nothing positive to say about 9/11 CT nuts. Sorry.
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Really? I'm not practicing what I preach? How so?
Because here you are before with your link and your using that to try and prove your point and I actually look at it and read it and then once I post mine you just brush it aside. So it's ok for you to just brush my stuff aside and your stuff is the real deal? So yes you are
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Just one: Mexico. For the food.
Actually in all seriousness thats the only way to end illegal immergration and I would support a war such as that.
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Is this another getbig.com exclusive?
I should just let this go, because I have nothing positive to say about 9/11 CT nuts. Sorry.
Hey since you think we need to be here and there are you serving or are you one of those chickenhawks?
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Because here you are before with your link and your using that to try and prove your point and I actually look at it and read it and then once I post mine you just brush it aside. So it's ok for you to just brush my stuff aside and your stuff is the real deal? So yes you are
I see. Yes, you have a point. If you post stuff about a 9/11 conspiracy I will not read or listen to it. I've already read and heard enough to know it's stupid. So yes, I am being a hypocrite in that regard.
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Hey since you think we need to be here and there are you serving or are you one of those chickenhawks?
Proud chickenhawk. :) Are you serving?
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This board is like a gimmick magnet.
No doubt. He's obviously dumb as shit and a CT nut, so I was thinking the Mons/whork25/Prog/blacken/Neuro gimmick.
But, his prose doesn't seem to match. So I'm not quite sure whose gimmick it may be.
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Proud chickenhawk. :) Are you serving?
Actually shithead I was for a short while. I wasn't in long and didn't do much but once I get done with school I plan on going back in. So if you really think we need to be there why are you not in the military?
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No doubt. He's obviously dumb as shit and a CT nut, so I was thinking the Mons/whork25/Prog/blacken/Neuro gimmick.
But, his prose doesn't seem to match. So I'm not quite sure whose gimmick it may be.
It's one related to one of the CT nuts. Pretty obvious. They all use the same talking points.
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Actually shithead I was for a short while. I wasn't in long and didn't do much but once I get done with school I plan on going back in. So if you really think we need to be there why are you not in the military?
Because I like being a civilian, working hard, and raising my family. And talking on a message board about how we should kick the crap out of terrorists. :)
If you do serve, ensure you check the nutty CT at the door. Will not go over well. :)
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Actually shithead I was for a short while. I wasn't in long and didn't do much but once I get done with school I plan on going back in. So if you really think we need to be there why are you not in the military?
::)
Are you against pedophiles? Are you cop?
Don't like fires? Are you a fireman?
Is the logic starting to seep in?
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Because I like being a civilian, working hard, and raising my family. And talking on a message board about how we should kick the crap out of terrorists. :)
If you do serve, ensure you check the nutty CT at the door. Will not go over well. :)
So your a coward plain and simple.
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It's one related to one of the CT nuts. Pretty obvious. They all use the same talking points.
I guess since he's so opposed to the Patriot Act, he's running for congress or the presidency to try and change that. I mean, if we follow his logic, of course.
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So your a coward plain and simple.
Actually I prefer "chickenhawk."
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Are you against pedophiles? Are you cop?
Don't like fires? Are you a fireman?
Is the logic starting to seep in?
Those are different occupations and situations. Not everyone is suited to be a police officer or a firefighter. War and our nations defense however is different that is for the whole of a nation and in the Military there are numerous jobs with different occupations to choose to from.
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I guess since he's so opposed to the Patriot Act, he's running for congress or the presidency to try and change that. I mean, if we follow his logic, of course.
Tell me about it. I doubt he's even read the Patriot Act.
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So your a coward plain and simple.
I work with soldiers everyday and you don't talk like one. When and where did you serve? DD214?
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I work with soldiers everyday and you don't talk like one. When and where did you serve? DD214?
It was National guard for a short while and like I said before I never said I did much
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Those are different occupations and situations. Not everyone is suited to be a police officer or a firefighter. War and our nations defense however is different that is for the whole of a nation and in the Military there are numerous jobs with different occupations to choose to from.
No, it's the same. Not everyone is suited to be a soldier - which is why we have the best damn military in the world.
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No, it's the same. Not everyone is suited to be a soldier - which is why we have the best damn military in the world.
So your saying an 11 Bravo is the same as a 42 Alpha
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Nuisance? That's really an understatement. If you look at the last ten years, only one group has brought the entire country to its knees (on 9/11) and repeatedly plotted attacks (see the link I posted earlier). They have changed our entire government. They're responsible for the creation of new department (Homeland Security). They created turmoil in the airline industry. Hardly just a nuisance.
Russia, in particular, is pretty impotent. They don't pose a threat to us economically or militarily. China is an economic threat.
In comparison to Russia and China's potential the terrorist are a nuisance. We go to war with Russia or China now or in the future our entire country changes overnight in ways far bigger than what happen after 9/11.
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So your saying an 11 Bravo is the same as a 42 Alpha
What?? He said not everyone is suited to be in the military. He said nothing about having a different MOS.
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What?? He said not everyone is suited to be in the military. He said nothing about having a different MOS.
I can agree that not everyone is cut out for the same MOS and thats fine but like I said before there are numerious jobs for people to choose from. Just because you can't do one thing doesn't mean your not cut out do another.
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"Thread spiraling out of control". Lol
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In comparison to Russia and China's potential the terrorist are a nuisance. We go to war with Russia or China now or in the future our entire country changes overnight in ways far bigger than what happen after 9/11.
We're never going to war with Russia. They don't have the money or the capability to fight a conventional war with the U.S. China might have the capability, but I doubt we ever go to war with them either. At most, there might be a fight somewhere in the Pacific involving other countries.
If you want to compare terrorists with a potential global war with another super power, yes terrorists are a nuisance. But that's not very realistic. I'm talking about present-day realities, going back to 9/11. Really no comparison IMO.
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"Thread spiraling out of control". Lol
lol. Gimmicks cannot help themselves. :)
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We're never going to war with Russia. They don't have the money or the capability to fight a conventional war with the U.S. China might have the capability, but I doubt we ever go to war with them either. At most, there might be a fight somewhere in the Pacific involving other countries.
If you want to compare terrorists with a potential global war with another super power, yes terrorists are a nuisance. But that's not very realistic. I'm talking about present-day realities, going back to 9/11. Really no comparison IMO.
Part of the discussion of the thread is "future threats". The article title in thr thread is about future threats. If it's a threat later I see it as a potential threat now. If Russia and china reach their potential threat status, which looks like China will then as I was saying the comparison makes the Terrorist look like
nuisances. So in the big picture that's why I think the terrorists are what they are.
Did you happen to read that article China attacking us in popular mechanics?
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Part of the discussion of the thread is "future threats". The article title in thr thread is about future threats. If it's a threat later I see it as a potential threat now. If Russia and china reach their potential threat status, which looks like China will then as I was saying the comparison makes the Terrorist look like
nuisances. So in the big picture that's why I think the terrorists are what they are.
Did you happen to read that article China attacking us in popular mechanics?
Did not read. You have a link? I'll check it out . . . after I get back from the gym.
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I can agree that not everyone is cut out for the same MOS and thats fine but like I said before there are numerious jobs for people to choose from. Just because you can't do one thing doesn't mean your not cut out do another.
A soldier is still a soldier regardless of what they specialize in from human resources to computers to cooks or whatever...they can still be called on to fight.
Like I said, I work for the DOD and you don't talk like a soldier. I've never heard any of them call somebody a coward just because they opted not to serve. In fact, most of them are very proud that they are part of an elite few who do serve and should be recognized as such.
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lol. Gimmicks cannot help themselves. :)
Yeah, I still can't place him though.
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Yeah, I still can't place him though.
o13 or Freeborn? Either way, I'd be willing to bet it's Mons Anus/Blacken/Cohiba/whork25 and so on. They love playing the military vet angle. Smart of him to pick National Guard this time.
These gimmicks belong on the Samson board.
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Did not read. You have a link? I'll check it out . . . after I get back from the gym.
The article concluded an attack in the straights of hermosa would be too costly for both sides and therefor wasn't likely to happen. Because of what you said I thought you might have read it.
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o13 or Freeborn? Either way, I'd be willing to bet it's Mons Anus/Blacken/Cohiba/whork25 and so on. They love playing the military vet angle. Smart of him to pick National Guard this time.
These gimmicks belong on the Samson board.
lolol, shit! So many gimmicks I'm getting them all confused!
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lolol, shit! So many gimmicks I'm getting them all confused!
Safe to say this board has gone to shit with their spamming coupled with the leftist tactic of not actually discussing anything and slinging personal insults instead.
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BB, I did a 15 month deployment in Southern Baghdad during the surge as an officer with 1-4ID. I used to have the same neo con outlook on foreign policy as you do. Pro war, let's kick some terrorist ass, etc. Your outlook changes real quick once you spend some time over there and see how f**cked up it all is. Not to mention being away from your family and friends for so long. I'm sure all these neo cons would change their views too if they did a tour or two.
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BB, I did a 15 month deployment in Southern Baghdad during the surge as an officer with 1-4ID. I used to have the same neo con outlook on foreign policy as you do. Pro war, let's kick some terrorist ass, etc. Your outlook changes real quick once you spend some time over there and see how f**cked up it all is. Not to mention being away from your family and friends for so long. I'm sure all these neo cons would change their views too if they did a tour or two.
I have no idea what the "neo con outlook on foreign" policy is. And forgive me for not taking anything at face value from people on message boards. Too many liars on the board.
My outlook is formed by actually doing homework, talking to people, life experience, and using common sense. I don't get my views handed to me by some doofus like Alex Jones or some kids who slap together a ridiculous video.
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I have no idea what the "neo con outlook on foreign" policy is. And forgive me for not taking anything at face value from people on message boards. Too many liars on the board.
My outlook is formed by actually doing homework, talking to people, life experience, and using common sense. I don't get my views handed to me by some doofus like Alex Jones or some kids who slap together a ridiculous video.
I also get my views from life experience and common sense. I don't get my views handed to me by some retard like Sean Hannity or some fat criminal like Karl Rove, or kneepad the Bush and current administrations current foreign policy of forever war.
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I also get my views from life experience and common sense. I don't get my views handed to me by some retard like Sean Hannity or some fat criminal like Karl Rove, or kneepad the Bush and current administrations current foreign policy of forever war.
Hannity isn't the brightest bulb. Rove is a very smart guy.
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o13 or Freeborn? Either way, I'd be willing to bet it's Mons Anus/Blacken/Cohiba/whork25 and so on. They love playing the military vet angle. Smart of him to pick National Guard this time.
These gimmicks belong on the Samson board.
I think you're dead-on about this Freeborn being another one of those gimmicks. His posts are starting to scream whork25 style.
And only that gimmick could make a comment as stupid as saying China doesn't get attacked by Muslims.
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I think you're dead-on about this Freeborn being another one of those gimmicks. His posts are starting to scream whork25 style.
And only that gimmick could make a comment as stupid as saying China doesn't get attacked by Muslims.
Yup. It reeks of whork25 aka Mons Venus/blacken007.
Also, with regards to the Muslims in China, what people don't know is that the Chinese autonomous zone where the Muslims are most prevalent is in pretty much constant lock-down by Chinese authorities and the Muslims there are monitored 24/7 as well as there being a gigantic police presence there. And if they get uppity (which they have), the Chinese authorities just kill them. They don't fuck around like the pussies in the west do. But there's a very real jihadist movement there, as well.
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Yup. It reeks of whork25 aka Mons Venus/blacken007.
Also, with regards to the Muslims in China, what people don't know is that the Chinese autonomous zone where the Muslims are most prevalent is in pretty much constant lock-down by Chinese authorities and the Muslims there are monitored 24/7 as well as there being a gigantic police presence there. And if they get uppity (which they have), the Chinese authorities just kill them. They don't fuck around like the pussies in the west do. But there's a very real jihadist movement there, as well.
True, I knew they had a problem with attacks but didn't know about an autonomous zone.
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True, I knew they had a problem with attacks but didn't know about an autonomous zone.
I only came across it recently. From what I've read, "autonomous" is a very big stretch but that's what the Chinese call it.
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BB, I did a 15 month deployment in Southern Baghdad during the surge as an officer with 1-4ID. I used to have the same neo con outlook on foreign policy as you do. Pro war, let's kick some terrorist ass, etc. Your outlook changes real quick once you spend some time over there and see how f**cked up it all is. Not to mention being away from your family and friends for so long. I'm sure all these neo cons would change their views too if they did a tour or two.
Glad to hear, thanks for your service.
It's easy for these chicken hawks to sit in the comforts of their home and play like they're foreign policy experts.
Our country is being destroyed by certain groups, and all these dip-shits can do is cry "TERRORISM, TERRORISM!!!"
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Glad to hear, thanks for your service.
It's easy for these chicken hawks to sit in the comforts of their home and play like they're foreign policy experts.
Our country is being destroyed by certain groups, and all these dip-shits can do is cry "TERRORISM, TERRORISM!!!"
It's a gimmick of a person who has been caught lying about serving multiple times. Don't put too much solace in this latest claim of theirs. They're one gimmick short of having served in every major branch of the military.
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Glad to hear, thanks for your service.
It's easy for these chicken hawks to sit in the comforts of their home and play like they're foreign policy experts.
Our country is being destroyed by certain groups, and all these dip-shits can do is cry "TERRORISM, TERRORISM!!!"
(http://algolog.tripod.com/gimmicks.png)
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I have no idea what the "neo con outlook on foreign" policy is.
You defend the pnac agenda so much, and you have no clue what it is.
Figures.
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You defend the pnac agenda so much, and you have no clue what it is.
Figures.
lol