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This isn't getting a whole lot of air play. But, for a evil, racist Republican who doesn't like kids or women, reinstating this program to get low-income (i.e. black) children out of crappy public schools (the same program that Obama and his teacher-union-loving cronies DROPPED) is pretty good.
Congrats to Speaker Boehner. Keep it up!!!
The D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program — which provides low-income District students with federal money to attend private schools — is a top priority of Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). The program was closed to new entrants by Democrats in 2009, but Boehner has sought to revive and expand the program. The House passed a Boehner-authored bill last month -- the SOAR Act -- to reauthorize the program for five more years, and that bill will be included in the final spending deal and signed into law by Obama.
The scholarship program is opposed by Norton and Mayor Vincent Gray, but backed by City Council Chairman Kwame Brown and former mayors Anthony Williams and Marion Barry.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-wire/post/sources-budget-deal-includes-dc-abortion-rider-money-for-school-vouchers/2011/04/08/AF3ET24C_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-wire/post/sources-budget-deal-includes-dc-abortion-rider-money-for-school-vouchers/2011/04/08/AF3ET24C_blog.html)
Here's more!!
The White House announced Tuesday that President Obama was “strongly opposed” to a bill reviving and expanding the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program, one day before the measure championed by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is scheduled for a vote on the House floor. But the White House did not threaten to veto the bill, suggesting that it could still pass as part of a larger compromise on education policy.
Boehner’s bill, known as the SOAR Act, would permit new entrants to a program that gives low-income District students money for private school tuition. Boehner helped create the program in 2004, but it was ended by Democrats in 2009, with only existing scholarship recipients allowed to continue. The bill would authorize $60 million a year for the next five years, with the funds evenly divided between the scholarship program, D.C. charter schools and traditional D.C. public schools.
In an official statement of administration policy released Tuesday, the White House Office of Management and Budget said: “While the Administration appreciates that H.R. 471 would provide Federal support for improving public schools in the District of Columbia (D.C.), including expanding and improving high-quality D.C. public charter schools, the Administration opposes the creation or expansion of private school voucher programs that are authorized by this bill.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-wire/post/obama-opposes-boehners-dc-school-choice-bill-but-does-not-threaten-veto/2011/03/29/AFjOO0wB_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-wire/post/obama-opposes-boehners-dc-school-choice-bill-but-does-not-threaten-veto/2011/03/29/AFjOO0wB_blog.html)
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The mayor of Washington DC doesn't seem impressed
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/09/dc-budget-deal-revives-school-voucher-program-reinstates-ban-abortion-funding/
For D.C., Budget Deal Revives School Voucher Program, Reinstates Ban on Abortion Funding
The eleventh-hour budget deal to fund the federal government for the next five months includes two controversial policy riders that have infuriated Washington D.C. local leaders.
One bans Washington from spending its own money to provide abortions for low-income women and the other includes money to revive the city's school voucher program, which subsidizes private school tuition for needy students with federal funds.
In a Saturday morning tweet, Mayor Vincent Gray called both riders a "shameful violation of our right to govern ourselves."
"This is ludicrous," Gray said in statement."While one rider purports to provide educational aid to children in need, the other takes away desperately needed aid from poor women. Hypocrisy is alive and well in the United States Congress."Gray called on all D.C. residents to voice their opposition to the "colonial status of the District of Columbia."
The GOP-led House voted to reinstate the program last month and passed a stopgap measure this week that included the abortion rider. But those bills had little chance to go any further with the Obama administration opposed to vouchers and the abortion rider.
However, the Republicans were able to get those initiatives included in Friday night's deal that cut spending by $38.5 billion.
Congress eliminated the voucher program in 2009. Critics of vouchers, including teachers unions, say it draws money away from public schools.
Under the program, which began in 2004, more than 3,700 students, mostly black or Hispanic, have won scholarships which provide up to $7,500 in private-school tuition.
In 2009, the Obama administration lifted the ban on D.C. funding abortions. But earlier this year, House Republicans proposed reinstating the ban in a larger bill that would effectively make permanent a string of separate restrictions, including the so-called Hyde Amendment, which have to be renewed periodically by Congress.
Planned Parenthood, which avoided losing its federal funding when Democrats refused to include that proposal in the budget deal, said it was "deeply disappointed" with the D.C. abortion funding rider.
"It's clear that the fight for women's health will continue, and we will continue to work on behalf of the millions of American women who count on this critical care," the group's president, Cecile Richards, said in a statement.
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Oh brother. ::)
Giving poor, intelligent black kids a chance to go to a good college is hypocritical because the government is no longer going to pay for their crack addict mothers to kill them before they are born.
Straw, you and the Mayor of DC should colonize Antarctica and take all the queers, drug addicted welfare recipients and Islamic fanatics with you. After the Islamic fanatics kill the drug addicts and homo's by feeding them to polar bears, you could explain to the nice bearded men why you hate America and how your not Islamophobic while they saw your head off with a butter knife.
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Oh brother. ::)
Giving poor, intelligent black kids a chance to go to a good college is hypocritical because the government is no longer going to pay for their crack addict mothers to kill them before they are born.
Straw, you and the Mayor of DC should colonize Antarctica and take all the queers, drug addicted welfare recipients and Islamic fanatics with you. After the Islamic fanatics kill the drug addicts and homo's by feeding them to polar bears, you could explain to the nice bearded men why you hate America and how your not Islamophobic while they saw your head off with a butter knife.
oh brother
when did I say I had a problem personally had a problem with the voucer program
My entire statement on the matter was "the mayor of Washington DC doesn't seem to be impressed"
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oh brother
when did I say I had a problem personally had a problem with the voucer program
My entire statement on the matter was "the mayor of Washington DC doesn't seem to be impressed"
That's because the mayor of Washington DC hates educating minorities and loves abortions.
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LOL at the mayor of DC saying that funding abortions for low income women is "desperately needed aid" LMFAO
how about birth control?
sounds like he is locking the barn after the cow is already out
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LOL at the mayor of DC saying that funding abortions for low income women is "desperately needed aid" LMFAO
how about birth control?
sounds like he is locking the barn after the cow is already out
It's okay to be prejudiced when you're demanding taxpayer money be used for something "those people" don't want to pay for. lol
Low income women: Nothing but dumb whores who are too fucking stupid to tell Mr. dickoftheday to pull out, too poor to buy protection, and too "low income" to know that "put your dick somewhere else" is an acceptable alternative to "Sure, you can cum inside me. Feel free to just lay there inside me until you go soft, boo."
White guilt taxpayers: Too full of self-hatred to see the absurdity in arguing against being prejudiced by demanding that poor black women are too lazy, stupid, and broke to get an abortion on their own.
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It's okay to be prejudiced when you're demanding taxpayer money be used for something "those people" don't want to pay for. lol
Low income women: Nothing but dumb whores who are too fucking stupid to tell Mr. dickoftheday to pull out, too poor to buy protection, and too "low income" to know that "put your dick somewhere else" is an acceptable alternative to "Sure, you can cum inside me. Feel free to just lay there inside me until you go soft, boo."
White guilt taxpayers: Too full of self-hatred to see the absurdity in arguing against being prejudiced by demanding that poor black women are too lazy, stupid, and broke to get an abortion on their own.
funny part is that the same place these morons go for abortions, they can go to get FREE contraceptives...
some ppl just dont fuking think
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LOL @ WTF is any rider about abortion doing on any other bill like this
Those fuccking d-bags appealing to religious base voters.
More importantly, LOL @ the d-bags who vote for a candidate because he introduced 75,000 abortion riders last year.
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LMFAO, if obama had done something to appeal to his base you would be praising him right now...
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funny part is that the same place these morons go for abortions, they can go to get FREE contraceptives...
some ppl just dont fuking think
I thought that abortions were only like 3% of the money they get anyway... That's what everyone says anyway. So the contraceptives are the cost.
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LMFAO, if obama had done something to appeal to his base you would be praising him right now...
geez youre a broken record on that. 'but but if obama did this, you'd do this'.
well, he didnt.... i didnt... and your only defense for this douchebaggery anti abortion ridering is some bullshit hypothetical scenario, then I've already set up a tent and defecated in your brain and seem to own some real estate there.
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I thought that abortions were only like 3% of the money they get anyway... That's what everyone says anyway. So the contraceptives are the cost.
Well if you do 3 abortions and hand out 97 condoms in a day, looks like 97% of your business is contraceptives now doesn't it.
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Well if you do 3 abortions and hand out 97 condoms in a day, looks like 97% of your business is contraceptives now doesn't it.
They didn't say procedures... They said it was 3 percent of the budget.
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Libs rather kill black babies than educate them.
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Libs rather kill black babies than educate them.
I don't think that's true... Well, I dunno. I consider myself pretty liberal on most social issues and I think education and planned parenthood are both good.
I think we need to be cutting in lots of other areas that no one ever talks about Defense / Medicare / Social Security.
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I was joking. The only fair way to do cuts is right across the board.
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I don't think that's true... Well, I dunno. I consider myself pretty liberal on most social issues and I think education and planned parenthood are both good.
I think we need to be cutting in lots of other areas that no one ever talks about Defense / Medicare / Social Security.
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It's a reference to the fact I consider myself liberal, as would some, but many extreme liberals would say I'm conservative... I can only reference liberal vs. conservative within what I perceive them to be.
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It's a reference to the fact I consider myself liberal, as would some, but many extreme liberals would say I'm conservative... I can only reference liberal vs. conservative within what I perceive them to be.
are you unsure whether "libs" would rather kill black babies than educate them ?
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I was joking. The only fair way to do cuts is right across the board.
Exactly.
Cut assistance to poor mothers and senior medicare.
Cut tax rates for corporations and the wealthy.
Everyone takes a cut, dammmmit.
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are you unsure whether "libs" would rather kill black babies than educate them ?
I'm sure some extreme liberals put abortion in front of education... Don't you?
I don't think it's accurate to say "kill rather than educate" but there some extremes who seem to think that spending money on education is not as important as abortion, but then there's some extreme conservatives who think that spending money on education of sex is not important too.
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Yessir, it's the government's job to fund abortion. Best reward stupidity with the money to take care of the problems caused by it.
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geez youre a broken record on that. 'but but if obama did this, you'd do this'.
well, he didnt.... i didnt... and your only defense for this douchebaggery anti abortion ridering is some bullshit hypothetical scenario, then I've already set up a tent and defecated in your brain and seem to own some real estate there.
strong trolling these days bro...
google irony and apply it to your obsession with reps ;)
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I'm sure some extreme liberals put abortion in front of education... Don't you?
I don't think it's accurate to say "kill rather than educate" but there some extremes who seem to think that spending money on education is not as important as abortion, but then there's some extreme conservatives who think that spending money on education of sex is not important too.
no
are you joking?
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Sorry straw - tu is telling the truth. Abortion is a religion to the far far left.
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Sorry straw - tu is telling the truth. Abortion is a religion to the far far left.
religion?
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Yes. Its almost like a sacriment to some of the far left freak show.
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no
are you joking?
No... You may not get a lot of on the record stuff, but if the extreme liberals were as busy talking about education as abortion, then our conversations would be a lot different.
Don't get me wrong, the extreme right talks about religion and it's HATE of abortion just as much, but it is both sides that don't make education a priority... I'd much rather see free money go to kids making a 3.0 GPA or above in college, but no one seems to give a shit about them.
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no
are you joking?
I hope you are.
As a socially liberal minded fiscal conservative, I can admit the absurdity from the extreme left and right.
As a left-wing abelian social program whore, you should be able to do the same.
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religion?
Well, if it's the far right who use religion to rail against abortion, it makes sense you can compare the far lefts rally around it as a religion of sorts.
It's probably not 100 percent accurate, but it's not far off.
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No... You may not get a lot of on the record stuff, but if the extreme liberals were as busy talking about education as abortion, then our conversations would be a lot different.
Don't get me wrong, the extreme right talks about religion and it's HATE of abortion just as much, but it is both sides that don't make education a priority... I'd much rather see free money go to kids making a 3.0 GPA or above in college, but no one seems to give a shit about them.
maybe I've never met someone on the extreme right or left (have you?) but I've never met anyone who comes close to what you're describign
but if I were going to guess I'd say someone on the extreme right (who's not an evangelical christian) would be more interested in abortion than education
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maybe I've never met someone on the extreme right or left (have you?) but I've never met anyone who comes close to what you're describign
but if I were going to guess I'd say someone on the extreme right (who's not an evangelical christian) would be more interested in abortion than education
I've heard some of the people who think Pelosi is some kind of goddess speaking of things like this. The same people who think the top 1% should be taxed at 90%.
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I've heard some of the people who think Pelosi is some kind of goddess speaking of things like this. The same people who think the top 1% should be taxed at 90%.
you started out saying that you're sure some extreme liberals put abortion in front of education
I've never met anyone who came close to that kind of thinking
do you have any examples or even one example?
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you started out saying that you're sure some extreme liberals put abortion in front of education
I've never met anyone who came close to that kind of thinking
do you have any examples or even one example?
I have only the empirical evidence of people I have talked to and I have heard them say so... Again, no one will go on the record like that, it's just bad for business, but you get them in a closed room and you hear the way people talk.
If you need me to tell you one singular person, I could, but of 300 million people in the US, I doubt you would know who I was talking about.
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Well, if it's the far right who use religion to rail against abortion, it makes sense you can compare the far lefts rally around it as a religion of sorts.
It's probably not 100 percent accurate, but it's not far off.
It's about as accurate as you can get. To the extreme far-left, anti-religion is about as close to an actual religion as you can get.
The far end of both sides are dead-fucked wrong though. The fact that we're sitting at the tail end of 30 years of debt-fueled economic "growth," watching countries all around the world crumble under the same weight, and bitching about shit like this is testament to that. We've spent the last third of a century finding new and better ways to borrow someone else's money, use it to buy something they made, claim it is suddenly worth more money (because it's in demand), and telling anyone and everyone who's ever actually manufactured a tangible "thing" to "GTFO, we need those employee slots to fuel another economic bubble, baby!"
I remember watching "Rain man," when Tom Cruise asks his brother if he knows how much the baseball cards on his wall are "worth."...never stopping to realize that they're only "worth" that much because there's still enough retards out there who'll buy them because they want to keep them, I hoped I wasn't the only one who found it funny that "Rain man" was the retard and Cruise was the "makin' bacon" guy.
Meh, never mind. Let's get back to the minutiae of taxpayer funded programs!
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tu, straw doesnt believe pelosi is far left...
this should give you an idea of what youre dealing with!!!
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which far-left voices have introduced dozens of pro-abortion pieces of legislation AND RIDERS into the congress in 2011?
Cuase it's practically an every week thing for the far right repubs.
PLEASE - list the pro- and anti-abortion bills of 2011. Who has entered more?
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LOl so we are limiting these idiocy only to the previous 4 months?
cool, real cool
dumb ass
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LOl so we are limiting these idiocy only to the previous 4 months?
cool, real cool
dumb ass
heck, put it 2 years, or 10 years, whatever.
We saw the congress of 2011 enter an abortion bill almost every week (even though they knew most would fail). They damn near shut down the govt over abortion. Don't you get it tony - it's about winning that base vote.
it's always been "shift to far-right religious abortion issue" like this for 2-year congressmen. Those religious types give them $ to run and votes too. Can't blame em.
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I have only the empirical evidence of people I have talked to and I have heard them say so... Again, no one will go on the record like that, it's just bad for business, but you get them in a closed room and you hear the way people talk.
If you need me to tell you one singular person, I could, but of 300 million people in the US, I doubt you would know who I was talking about.
if there is only one person who holds such a view then it's not representative of any group
I thought extreme "libs" were bleeding hearts and socialists
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LOL and you only see that from one side?
fuking idiot
the dems almost brought the govt to a halt from the opposite side of the same argument you dip shit...
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tu, straw doesnt believe pelosi is far left...
this should give you an idea of what youre dealing with!!!
If you want to think she's far left that's fine
show me how she "puts abortion in front of education"
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never said she did but to think pelosi isnt far left is ignorant and shows just where you stand yourself
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LOL and you only see that from one side?
fuking idiot
the dems almost brought the govt to a halt from the opposite side of the same argument you dip shit...
Don't expect a liberal hack to be reasonable.
That said, there are extremists on both sides. I do agree that abortion is like a religion to some liberals. I think the celebration of abortion is pretty macabre.
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Don't expect a liberal hack to be reasonable.
That said, there are extremists on both sides. I do agree that abortion is like a religion to some liberals. I think the celebration of abortion is pretty macabre.
in what way is abortion like a religion
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never said she did but to think pelosi isnt far left is ignorant and shows just where you stand yourself
that's fine if you think she is
I don't know anyone on the left, far left, extreme left or right who treat abortion like a religion or prefer abortion over education
which party who wants more funds for education ?
which party wants to get rid of the departmetn of education ?
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that's fine if you think she is
I don't know anyone on the left, far left, extreme left or right who treat abortion like a religion or prefer abortion over education
which party who wants more funds for education ?
which party wants to get rid of the departmetn of education ?
On a daily basis you continue to amaze me at how stupid you are. America spends more on its students per capita than any other country on earth except Luxembourg. Yet, we have some of the most pathetic math, science and standardized testing scores in the world. You think spending more money and having more bureaucrats is going to help solve the problem? You are a mindless, witless, gutless, white guilt ridden liberal hack who should be given a one way ticket to Mars.
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On a daily basis you continue to amaze me at how stupid you are. America spends more on its students per capita than any other country on earth except Luxembourg. Yet, we have some of the most pathetic math, science and standardized testing scores in the world. You think spending more money and having more bureaucrats is going to help solve the problem? You are a mindless, witless, gutless, white guilt ridden liberal hack who should be given a one way ticket to Mars.
But, but, but!!
It's those evil Republicans. They ain't givning us enough money (even though, we blow $15,000 per child and private schools can educate these same ghetto kids with half as much).
I'll have to post one here; but I've seen polls that suggest that nearly 2/3 of all parents would send their kids to private schools if they had the money.
That's a DAMNING statistics for public education. Furthermore, if you look the top reasons parents send their kids to private school, at the top would be DISCIPLINE and QUALITY OF EDUCATION. Even though most private schools in America are religious ones, you'll notice that religious indoctrination isn't cited as much. I've known non-Christian parents who sent their kids to Christian schools for the aforementioned reasons.
And, despite the left's lament about private schools being mainly for the rich, the US Census Bureau notes that 80% of all families with an income of at leastt 100K send their kids to public schools. Of course, those parents can separate the wheat from the chaff (so to speak), sending their kids to the better public schools.
http://www.capenet.org/facts.html (http://www.capenet.org/facts.html)
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On a daily basis you continue to amaze me at how stupid you are. America spends more on its students per capita than any other country on earth except Luxembourg. Yet, we have some of the most pathetic math, science and standardized testing scores in the world. You think spending more money and having more bureaucrats is going to help solve the problem? You are a mindless, witless, gutless, white guilt ridden liberal hack who should be given a one way ticket to Mars.
And our graduate programs in medicine, physics, mathematics, and engineering are filled with students who grew up sitting at broken desks and sharing one book per class.
But we can catch up to them...we just need to spend more money....
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You guys have to remember that you're arguing with far-lefties here. They live and die by the belief that all problems can be solved by throwing more money at them.
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You guys have to remember that you're arguing with far-lefties here. They live and die by the belief that all problems can be solved by throwing more money at them.
As long as its someone else's money. More specifically, as long as anyone evil enough to make more money than them pays for it.
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How has the DOE done with improving education?
How has the Dept. of Energy done with managing the nations energy? Production? Advancement?
Failures across the board, total and complete yet they get more and more funding each year. '
Unelected groups of people that fail at their jobs.
Wonderful.
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LOL and you only see that from one side?
fuking idiot
the dems almost brought the govt to a halt from the opposite side of the same argument you dip shit...
Tony bringing down the hammer. :D