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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Spike on April 11, 2011, 11:16:55 AM
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No one do bizness
With crossfacecradle
R@ogue labs - him and his boy the wiz have screwed people including myself off my board for $1000s of dollars
he bitched so mych they took my mod status away - he gives admin $$ so he can peddle his aas but the DEA is wathcin him
He sells a aas li je but they rip people off and he just some fat ass bakin shit in his moms basement
If u saw h im ud think he made biscuits not aas
Save ur cash fellas!!!
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No one do bizness
With crossfacecradle
R@ogue labs - him and his boy the wiz have screwed people including myself off my board for $1000s of dollars
he bitched so mych they took my mod status away - he gives admin $$ so he can peddle his aas but the DEA is wathcin him
He sells a aas li je but they rip people off and he just some fat ass bakin shit in his moms basement
If u saw h im ud think he made biscuits not aas
Save ur cash fellas!!!
Mod status on what board? How were you scaqmmed? Took your money or bunk gear? Go to these links. This board lets you speak your mind as long as your credible and can back up your shit. seriously. This board is really rtying to craack down on scammers and no one is off limits. Not sandra, oscdarro , eruoking they practically put Z out of biz.
http://anabolicboard.com/showthread.php?16894-Rogue-Labs-is-still-around!-Tabs-and-more!/page98
and
http://anabolicboard.com/showthread.php?17396-Sources-selling-counterfeits-we-want-to-know-about-them/page112
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BTW, if you do go on this board, and I hope you do, sign up as Spike so I know it's you and I can vouch for you so they don't think you're just someone out of the blue. hes gotten pretty rave reviews from so well know and trustworthy vets. I place my first order wtih him just because people I turst endorsed him. EVerything went smooth, great communication and kick ass gear. But hes new to the board and I've seen the game before. Start out good, build a quick rep, have everyone kiss your ass and then start ripping poeple off.
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I was a mod on steroidmass (not spike) and hepaid off fuzo to drop my mod status
I was p
The 100thmember to join in 05 and i helpd nordic.....he sold it and is out but these new kats get bought out
I order once from the wiz who sold rougue and he wrote t he. Wrong addey on the pak and i never got it
Second tmade me pay full price i ordered. 5 test 5 eq sent $600 in mail
Week later his email is canceled, his girl ends up signing for my money and i her nothing
Then all of a sudden someone else is sellin rougue gear and i start askin ?s but. He seems t not know how he got busted ot how bad...i j ust want my money and if he did get busted why ot change your label name to avoid deq chase?? Cfc acts like the wiz just bought bulk and he knew nothing of him but ass soon as the kid gets gone cfc pops up sellin the same stuff, smae labels, same email practically, and gets pised at me?? Just pay me back? You fckd me and our sellin the shit someone got busted with?? Still......
All im sain is he if he can take m y mod status wway and i have been on SM for yeaars....hes payn people, dont get scmmed like it did?!!!!!
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the crew over in ab boarding is good,,the ja fella wouldnt let cfc go on with business as usual if he scrwed up people,,cfc is good and the wizard was good but had problem and kept low fire and kept everyone safe he was and is a good guy that got fucked with gh control delivery which indeed is stupid mistake ,, the problem the wiz had that only included him because he was smart enough fella can be confirmed by the canadian mod you fellas made run away from this board ....
the wiz is out for now,,but he never scrwed up individuals ,,very honest fella,,the gh case and loss of money is a problem that will probably be fixed if its up to him,,but again its all in the dark ,,all i know is that he kept the community safe
now ...cfc he is long time around andthe gear is legit,, im surprized he didnt send you some free shit or half price because he would ,,its cheap change for him ,,he sent samples for others but then again i dont knwo the history here
all i knwo is this,,
there is tight mod supervising the sources on anabolic boarding,,they do very good job ,,a scam wouldnt last even a week when the ja fella is around there,,one of the greatest modes,,takes time to understand the way he thinks because he is very politicaly correct,,but when you lern the way he think you see he is good mod
in any case every one is human ,,every one do mistakes,,if i were you i would try talk to cfc and see if he can send you half order for the wiz stuff since the wiz is nto gonna be back probably for a while
gh15 approved
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Hey guys - CFC and The Wizard are two different people. This has been confirmed by multiple parties looking into the issue when it first came up. The Wizard got popped. He didn't intentionally scam anyone. I know some people are still owed. He was reselling Rogue products for CFC on different boards. CFC has been around for a very long time under different handles/labs. His Rogue product line feedback is pretty stellar and I haven't had many, if any, complaints. There have been a couple occasions where members felt they received mislabeled gear, which is possible, but aside from that, his feedback rating is very good. At AB we don't censor anyone and if there are any issues you are free to address them publicly or PM a staff member, whichever you prefer.
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Also, AB sponsors that sell counterfeits like hardgain, who was recently caught selling fake Omnadren and Testex (we're looking into his other products as well) also get publicly outed. No one that sell counterfeits is off-limits, not even AB sponsors. We're actually harder on those guys because it embarrasses the board.
http://anabolicboard.com/showthread.php?18666-Hardgain-s-counterfeit-Omnadren-and-other-products
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Hey guys - CFC and The Wizard are two different people. This has been confirmed by multiple parties looking into the issue when it first came up. The Wizard got popped. He didn't intentionally scam anyone. I know some people are still owed. He was reselling Rogue products for CFC on different boards. CFC has been around for a very long time under different handles/labs. His Rogue product line feedback is pretty stellar and I haven't had many, if any, complaints. There have been a couple occasions where members felt they received mislabeled gear, which is possible, but aside from that, his feedback rating is very good. At AB we don't censor anyone and if there are any issues you are free to address them publicly or PM a staff member, whichever you prefer.
gh15 made it clear that Wiz and cfc and not the same person. Your board is now my new go to board (being repeated banned from OLM and Promus helps) and you do a great job. I know the fine line you have to walk. Too bad about Hardgain. It seemed like he was gtg. I dont know the details and I believe that honest supplies get bunk from theri suppliers wtihout their knowledge. But the test is not whether mistakes are made or not but how it is handled. I hope Hardgain handled and took responsiblity like a man and made good. Maybe you can help Spike out with his problem. I have first hand experience with cfc and would defnitely use him again.
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I just notice the title to this thread has been changed to Fixed. Has the problem been sloved?
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I just notice the title to this thread has been changed to Fixed. Has the problem been sloved?
no
they pulled my MOD status at steroidmass and crossfacecradle wont STFU
i am just gonna eat the $600 and stay away from SM
gddamn its bizness and me eatin $600 is pretty shitty if this guy is such a fckn badass just send me 5 test 5 eq like I ordered in the first place
fckn assshole bitched so myuch FUZO pulls my mod status with no waring no nothing ----
i'll take this.................... ........................ ....somwhwere else as well as my knowlegde and connections, hell I speak 3 languages
nordic was like a father to me now FUZO is just a sell out and yes I said that cause you need to send people PM instead of gettin your string pulled by some dealer whose 'bulk buyer' ripped SEVERAL people off
peace - I';ll do nationals on my own with another board, SM
I expect an apology
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no
they pulled my MOD status at steroidmass and crossfacecradle wont STFU
i am just gonna eat the $600 and stay away from SM
gddamn its bizness and me eatin $600 is pretty shitty if this guy is such a fckn badass just send me 5 test 5 eq like I ordered in the first place
fckn assshole bitched so myuch FUZO pulls my mod status with no waring no nothing ----
i'll take this.................... ........................ ....somwhwere else as well as my knowlegde and connections, hell I speak 3 languages
nordic was like a father to me now FUZO is just a sell out and yes I said that cause you need to send people PM instead of gettin your string pulled by some dealer whose 'bulk buyer' ripped SEVERAL people off
peace - I';ll do nationals on my own with another board, SM
I expect an apology
Why don't you address this issue on the anabolic both on his supplier thread and the scammer/countefeit thread. See how cfc responze as he knows hes not dealing with a kiss ass crowd that you run to in other boards. Also, if you mention you mod id some may recognize you and know you are legit.
many there loved hardgain but when one of the member got bad omnas and proved it with pic and confirmation from BOS and ronnyt juicemuscle board which included testing and that lead to more digging and more fakes of different products he got called out and no one came to his defense once it was establish and now I think he's finished on that board unless he has a damn good explanation and makes good. No supplier is sacred and portected on that board.
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Why don't you address this issue on the anabolic both on his supplier thread and the scammer/countefeit thread. See how cfc responze as he knows hes not dealing with a kiss ass crowd that you run to in other boards. Also, if you mention you mod id some may recognize you and know you are legit.
many there loved hardgain but when one of the member got bad omnas and proved it with pic and confirmation from BOS and ronnyt juicemuscle board which included testing and that lead to more digging and more fakes of different products he got called out and no one came to his defense once it was establish and now I think he's finished on that board unless he has a damn good explanation and makes good. No supplier is sacred and portected on that board.
FUZAO made it out htat my mod status was dropped cause I spend to little time there
so thats fine
I have just been with that bnoard for awhile
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Seems things have changed with cfc/Rouge. His thread and sponsorship has disappeared from anabolicboard and Mack dropped his list. There was also a thread on Anabolic where people were complaining that funds were sent but heard nothing. cfc seemed like a good guy but it seems that either things caught up with him or the heat is on and he has to disappear. Either way guys are left holding the bag. An empty bag.
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Seems things have changed with cfc/Rouge. His thread and sponsorship has disappeared from anabolicboard and Mack dropped his list. There was also a thread on Anabolic where people were complaining that funds were sent but heard nothing. cfc seemed like a good guy but it seems that either things caught up with him or the heat is on and he has to disappear. Either way guys are left holding the bag. An empty bag.
according to mack got busted...not sure if mack's the most reliable source of information though :-\
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cfc is not around anymore and his banners and shit are all down
gh15 whats up>
cause you gave me the cold shoulder cause I bad mouthed this guy now he blows ship and goes AWOL
we friends again??
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BUMP
gh15 so quik to jump and defend this asshole now cfc is gone whats up???????????????????????/
whrs ya boy you spoke so highly of????????????
took off with what $5000+, doesnt sound like a smooth operator that protects himself and the community like you said ???
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PM Him bro - Im not sure if he reads the steroid board often, he has his hands full on the G&O *naturals* ;D
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the crew over in ab boarding is good,,the ja fella wouldnt let cfc go on with business as usual if he scrwed up people,,cfc is good and the wizard was good but had problem and kept low fire and kept everyone safe he was and is a good guy that got fucked with gh control delivery which indeed is stupid mistake ,, the problem the wiz had that only included him because he was smart enough fella can be confirmed by the canadian mod you fellas made run away from this board ....
the wiz is out for now,,but he never scrwed up individuals ,,very honest fella,,the gh case and loss of money is a problem that will probably be fixed if its up to him,,but again its all in the dark ,,all i know is that he kept the community safe
now ...cfc he is long time around andthe gear is legit,, im surprized he didnt send you some free shit or half price because he would ,,its cheap change for him ,,he sent samples for others but then again i dont knwo the history here
all i knwo is this,,
there is tight mod supervising the sources on anabolic boarding,,they do very good job ,,a scam wouldnt last even a week when the ja fella is around there,,one of the greatest modes,,takes time to understand the way he thinks because he is very politicaly correct,,but when you lern the way he think you see he is good mod
in any case every one is human ,,every one do mistakes,,if i were you i would try talk to cfc and see if he can send you half order for the wiz stuff since the wiz is nto gonna be back probably for a while
gh15 approved
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Just recently it has been posted all over the place to not do business with CFC?Mad Chemist. He has gone haywire. Not sending packs and rumors of a possible bust. Remember he was connected to the Wiz who was recently busted. The Wiz was using the name Mad Chemist on CM, and MC denied knowing about it. Some of us suspected he knew all along. This is a small community and CM is a huge board, how could MC not know.
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Just recently it has been posted all over the place to not do business with CFC?Mad Chemist. He has gone haywire. Not sending packs and rumors of a possible bust. Remember he was connected to the Wiz who was recently busted. The Wiz was using the name Mad Chemist on CM, and MC denied knowing about it. Some of us suspected he knew all along. This is a small community and CM is a huge board, how could MC not know.
Shit! Wiz was MD? I just read that today on another board trying to follow this whole cfc drama? It seems clear now that Spike was rtight all along. cfc is a thief and a scammer. YOu know the bitch will come back undr a different name. He had connects to good raws but it turns out that he would cut his shit with test prop so he could sell cheap.
Got this from anabolicboard
yes..i can tell u cfc has proven over the time that he was down for the commuinty...ive seen him help out many of people that got scammed before......word is that his last stuff he was making was bunk...i dont know about that...im useing some of it now and a few others and i had no complints at all...All our money are being spent on stippers....hes a flashy bitch...in his mid 20s...ive also found out that the reason why his gear was so cheap is the he would mix test prop with all his mixtures...30 /50....this explains why he could sell so cheap...but that doesnt mean the gear is bunk ...its just not what u are totaly buying....i do have a phone number but its out of order...he made sure to have it changed...and surprizeing enough he had other people brewing his gear.he wasnt even the maker.....big shocker i know,,,,,i can tell u as of now...there are only 2 soucres around that is totally stright up that i know....only two...real men with a good soul that will tell u the truth how things are being made....In this undergound world nothing is certain...anytime u see cheap prices a bell should ring out....i can tell u it doesnt take much of any chemical to get hooked...u might have 5 percent of the actual chemical in the mix and make good gains...even if its cut with test prop...This might explain why people feel a product so fast when its a slow acting ester....because its cut with prop...so many factors to realize...This might also expalin why people get a bad reaction to gear that is cut with prop...and with the eo base it covers the stinging process....but yes later on u feel the pain after it settles within your system.
i promise u people i will dig hard and try to discover where he lives...i know someone that lives in his area...a matter of fact the person i know he knows the guy that was brewing for cfc and this is how i found out about him cutting his gear with prop....the beans was spilt.....Now if his brewer is willing to give out any info on cfc where abouts...we have to wait and see....If i do come across any personal info...i will post i have some and pm me for details...if it cant be posted in the open borad thats fine..i'll will forward the info by email......
you know what a fucken low life......spnding our money on fucking trick bag stippers....i assume its the only way any bitch will give him the time of day unless he pays for it.....im sure his pocket book is runing very low because strip clubs arent cheap..over priced pussy......
as far as the pobox situation..from what he told me that all the money that was sent is still sitting at the pobox...he partner got followed by this black suv for miles...He claimed he didnt dare make the pick up...Now this was cfc told me...Is it true?..i dont know..if that money is sitting there and once the pobox exp the post office should return the mail inside the box...But i fiugure if cfc realizes that he wasnt being trailed he went and picked up the money....im just assumeing thats all....i dont beleieve nothing the little bitch saids or has said in the pass...
any furture info i will post up people... be safe and god bless........dw
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Also, one of gh15's elves, mighty1, said that cfc use to work for Nordic and that Nordic got rid of his ass.
gh15 should speak on this as he backed cfc and Rouge and now a lot of people are out of a lot of cash.
dw is saying alot of things in short period of time. what he says, eventhough saturated with new information, is true. when i told you the wiz was not a no one i meant exactly that. the wiz was i suspected cfc...one in the same...even if not the wiz was very familiar with the game, and very respected on sm, VERY respected. the wiz wasnt a no one period. he was one of the better sources in the game.
this is what i can share.
syntrax was rogue. cfc worked for nordic...nordic was not happy with the performance and fired cfc, nordic is the highest level source in history of internet BB era no matter how much some hate him he is number 1 with lots and lots of reputation. he is not playing with bs, he likes his ppl to work and to work hard and effective. moment he has a problem he faces it and then will fire the person on the spot no matter who he is, if he thinks the person is not performing up to the task. nordic thought cfc was not performing well therefor stopped working with him.
i did complain back in the day that the syntrax line send test labeled as eq if you remember, and most of you remember. back in 2009. ofcourse i was right and nordic knew i was right but the chemist said i was wrong...the chemist was cfc...at times cfc just put whatever he felt like in the vials, there was always legit gear in it but not always what was written on the label...with some people he was more careful to put exactly what was written on label but even they got few questionable products, still his gear was great and did good job.
mack, the first mack got alot of shit from me over triax lineor whatever that name was because the gear there was mainly bunk...bunk means underdosed...ofcourse it was a big story on olm and i got lots of hate for it but i said the truth.
what dw says about cutting with prop is true, if you are experienced bb you would know it but generally speaking he did put the right product in the right vials in most cases...
the problem is that even if you fuck up once, no matter who, you fucked up a bb and you mess up with his prep, or his routine, or his hormone levels... and thats a big no no.
just forget about the money, youll see it back only if cfc decides to come back and has good reason for him being gone, otherwise just forget about it, its not worth it, safety is number one. he was a dealer...you are just BBs who use it to gain some muscle and compete...just let it go and dont waste more than you can afford.
this is just how the game is. it happened many times before. he had a good run, he did good products and now for some reason its over, he did deliver many times to many members, then decided it was the end. why? no one knows for sure but it seems like he kept you safe...either he scammed or went down...it doesnt matter...it also doesnt matter that he likes strippers...who cares what he likes...at the end of the day he kept everyone safe yet took some money from innocent ppl and that sux..nothing we can do about it.
if he comes back and he probably will at some point...he most likely will give free products to most who send the money, or something like that. the problem that worries me is the cutting with prop and putting different product than ordered in the vial....thats a big problem.
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PM Him bro - Im not sure if he reads the steroid board often, he has his hands full on the G&O *naturals* ;D
I just did. I've only been follwing on anabolicboard but its' all over. many peeps lost money. Ididn't know cfc was only in his mid twenties.
Peope gettting ripped off by a "sort of" gh15 approved source is more important than exposing another low life liar like NOel Fuller and Jrod, who I don't think iis a low life and I like the way he mixes it up even though he's still a liar. Anyway, those bitches can wait. Lying about being natural or your diet secrets that makes champs is nothing when people are getting scammed with cut gear and stolen funds.
I have to admit, I doubted spike and thought there must have been more to the story since Rogue/cfc was the source god over at anabolicboard with a lot of good vets backing him. spike was right all along.
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nordic dropped cfc as employee few year back ,,he had his reason ,, nwo reason come to light,,coudnt count on him,,like many before this is another fella that went above his head and ability to supply ,,
note to cult,,when you see cash in mail only way to make payent ,,YOU ALWAYS AVOID! never send cash in mail ,,not because you are not safe because as someone who by personal 2 vial you are always safe...but because you have no ability to show anyone in the cult you bought a thing,,every source who use cash in mail at the end of the day go down in some form or another,,
cash in mail is a big no in the cult of bodybuild,,
gh15 approved
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When sources are accepting CIM they are going to get busted. I can see CIMfor top customersmaybe, but making this optionavailable for anyone is insane. Word on the street is CFC has gone scammer and is not busted. Way to go MadChemist, another scammer.
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it's a shame too cause when the original Mac was still alive that's where i used to get my Rogue from.one helluva great lab till that POS cfc got in on it.how he got control of Rogue idk but he's got a few of my boys for some serious coin.AB still has some good sources tho...
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it's a shame too cause when the original Mac was still alive that's where i used to get my Rogue from.one helluva great lab till that POS cfc got in on it.how he got control of Rogue idk but he's got a few of my boys for some serious coin.AB still has some good sources tho...
Sometimes I wonder about these guys "dying". I don't want to be disrespectful but it seems there's a lot of dying going on. Good way to get out with some ching. I did get som Rogue stuff back in Jan/Feb when they were all the rage on the AnabolicBoard and did have to to do CIM which I didn't really want to do but I was so desperately looking for some good gear because I just had a run of bad luck with fake HG. Everyone was raving about CFC/Rogue and even mighty1 (claims to be a pro) even answered some of my concerns about CFC and he said they were gtg. He was even pretty specific about products telling me to go with the Sus and not the enanthate. Couldn't explain why but just said the Sus was so much better. I'm realy sensitive to prop but went with the sus just on his word. Anyway, I stil have the gear but haven't used it. Not sure if it's good or not. Don't know how he ran his scamm. Did he sell bunk or cut products? or did he sell good gear to build up hisrep and once he got enough orders took the money and ran? Anyone use cfc (no t mack) gear?
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I made a point to most UG boards that this would happen with this kid
I knew rougue was siht and they were scammers.....i tried to warn but inwas shit up and shut down
Now someome (and others) are richer
I warned everyone and look at these posts.....people defended hom like hell cause hes been around and sold cheap......ive been around awhile too, i delt with them in dec and knew they were shit
Gh15 never chimed back n this thread or answerd my PM as he usually does
He backd this guy knowin nordic wouldnt fck with him ovr a year ago
I just want it known that the UG gets paid off to push certain product/suppliers amd shut others up......why powders suppliers go under and shitbag 10mL tren ace suppliers for $175each flourish
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I made a point to most UG boards that this would happen with this kid
I knew rougue was siht and they were scammers.....i tried to warn but inwas shit up and shut down
Now someome (and others) are richer
I warned everyone and look at these posts.....people defended hom like hell cause hes been around and sold cheap......ive been around awhile too, i delt with them in dec and knew they were shit
Gh15 never chimed back n this thread or answerd my PM as he usually does
He backd this guy knowin nordic wouldnt fck with him ovr a year ago
I just want it known that the UG gets paid off to push certain product/suppliers amd shut others up......why powders suppliers go under and shitbag 10mL tren ace suppliers for $175each flourish
i have nothing to say about this,, you are right in what you say ,,many got fuckd,, the reason i backed the rogue fella is because anything they sent to my elfs was legit ,, couple of elfs reported problems with long ester testosterona but over all it was on point when it came to everything else
gh15 knew nordic stopped working with the fella but! it was because nordic like fellas to work fast and very efficient and dont have time for balonie,, the quality issue was most of the time on point with most reports i got,,
in any case... the bad thing is that many people are owed money ,, this probably will be resolved somhow ,,
anadrol
dianabol
propioneta
trenbolona
tri blends
halotestin
etc etc etc
all were good and on point actualy very strong and pure ,,had some great products,,
never the less slective scaming is bad ,,and thus i have nothing to say about this beside that you are 100% right
gh15 approved
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i have nothing to say about this,, you are right in what you say ,,many got fuckd,, the reason i backed the rogue fella is because anything they sent to my elfs was legit ,, couple of elfs reported problems with long ester testosterona but over all it was on point when it came to everything else
gh15 knew nordic stopped working with the fella but! it was because nordic like fellas to work fast and very efficient and dont have time for balonie,, the quality issue was most of the time on point with most reports i got,,
in any case... the bad thing is that many people are owed money ,, this probably will be resolved somhow ,,
anadrol
dianabol
propioneta
trenbolona
tri blends
halotestin
etc etc etc
all were good and on point actualy very strong and pure ,,had some great products,,
never the less slective scaming is bad ,,and thus i have nothing to say about this beside that you are 100% right
gh15 approved
thanks for your response
problem resolved - posting update pics to pwn reeves in t minus 15secs :D
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Just to be clear I think guys like mighty1 and others were up and up. They were describing their personal experience accurately. mighty1 always tells it like it is and even called out ****on olm when he got one product (i think it was eq) when it should have been something else. And ofcourse everyone bashed him because *****practically owns that board.But thats that problem with guys like cfc. Selective scammers knnow how to take care of and who to fuck. And sometimes it's just bad luck of the draw. I remember WillGrant here use to praise Alin for years until his turn finally came. still guys make Alin rich and Phil/BigA protect him
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the crew over in ab boarding is good,,the ja fella wouldnt let cfc go on with business as usual if he scrwed up people,,cfc is good and the wizard was good but had problem and kept low fire and kept everyone safe he was and is a good guy that got fucked with gh control delivery which indeed is stupid mistake ,, the problem the wiz had that only included him because he was smart enough fella can be confirmed by the canadian mod you fellas made run away from this board ....
the wiz is out for now,,but he never scrwed up individuals ,,very honest fella,,the gh case and loss of money is a problem that will probably be fixed if its up to him,,but again its all in the dark ,,all i know is that he kept the community safe
now ...cfc he is long time around andthe gear is legit,, im surprized he didnt send you some free shit or half price because he would ,,its cheap change for him ,,he sent samples for others but then again i dont knwo the history here
all i knwo is this,,
there is tight mod supervising the sources on anabolic boarding,,they do very good job ,,a scam wouldnt last even a week when the ja fella is around there,,one of the greatest modes,,takes time to understand the way he thinks because he is very politicaly correct,,but when you lern the way he think you see he is good mod
in any case every one is human ,,every one do mistakes,,if i were you i would try talk to cfc and see if he can send you half order for the wiz stuff since the wiz is nto gonna be back probably for a while
gh15 approved
I feel everything you have said regarding drug usage is the truth...but when you start talking about AB and JA...trust me you dont have a clue what your talking about...that I know first hand.
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Best to order from the older sources who have proven themselves time and time again. I like ordering gear from spots where gear is legal you would think it takes alot longer but it really dosn't take that long if you use express shipping. If you have a PMB you do not have to sign for the pack the employees sign for it. You can get better gear- IMO and thats where most of the human grade gear is. Ive seen alot of shadey things happen domestically anybody remember the whole anapharm scandle? The DEA took over anapharms handle and people kept sending money even after nobody received anything for weeks. they ran the operation for a month and came up with 93,000$ of peoples hard earned money. The DEA did not go after any of the purchasers they all just got a letter and probably got entered into some kind of system that showed they tried ordering gear. Bottom line wether its domestic or overseas your never in the clear 100%. Ive also seen guys go scammer look at alot of ssb and outlaws sources they got raided and indcited and alot of people lost money( many good sources went down) things like this happen. Honestly face to face is the best way to go but its hard to find guys just advertising gear at gyms just dosn't work like that. You have to have an IN(somebody to vouch for you) with somebody local if you want to do face to face deals wich is the safest way.
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Best to order from the older sources who have proven themselves time and time again. I like ordering gear from spots where gear is legal you would think it takes alot longer but it really dosn't take that long if you use express shipping. If you have a PMB you do not have to sign for the pack the employees sign for it. You can get better gear- IMO and thats where most of the human grade gear is. Ive seen alot of shadey things happen domestically anybody remember the whole anapharm scandle? The DEA took over anapharms handle and people kept sending money even after nobody received anything for weeks. they ran the operation for a month and came up with 93,000$ of peoples hard earned money. The DEA did not go after any of the purchasers they all just got a letter and probably got entered into some kind of system that showed they tried ordering gear. Bottom line wether its domestic or overseas your never in the clear 100%. Ive also seen guys go scammer look at alot of ssb and outlaws sources they got raided and indcited and alot of people lost money( many good sources went down) things like this happen. Honestly face to face is the best way to go but its hard to find guys just advertising gear at gyms just dosn't work like that. You have to have an IN(somebody to vouch for you) with somebody local if you want to do face to face deals wich is the safest way.
Good point about the PMB, best thing to do if you are ordering from overseas
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If their is a scammer out there taking peoples money LMK and I will make a warning sticky. same if someone popular gets busted LMK ASAP.
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Good point about the PMB, best thing to do if you are ordering from overseas
even if you order domestic it is best always to use a PMB. go in close to closing and get your pack.Never use a source that does not use delivery confirmation! alot of overseas sources do not use delivery confirmation if thats the case fck them. make them put some sort of tracking. as long as you have your PMB you will be fine. someone else will sign for it.Im serious if anybody is out their taking peoples money LMK and ill make a sticky.