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Title: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 04:13:50 AM
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 06, 2011, 04:53:44 AM
He showed the rest of those copycat phonies who's the boss.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 05:18:57 AM
Still Poop though.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 05:47:34 AM
Still Poop though.

And you are a racist; do you ever have anything decent to contribute? (rhetorical question)
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 05:49:46 AM
And you are a racist; do you ever have anything decent to contribute? (rhetorical question)
I am not racist.  How could I be, I dislike people equally.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 05:52:40 AM
I am not racist.  How could I be, I dislike people equally.

You feel the need to highlight people's ethnicity, as if that meant something.

Seriously, you should move out to a forest since you dislike everything and everyone.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 06:01:31 AM
You feel the need to highlight people's ethnicity, as if that meant something.

Seriously, you should move out to a forest since you dislike everything and everyone.
Ethnicity is intertwined with culture and social norms,folkways and mores.  It is also a predictor of behavior and it also has genetic implications, not only physically, but mentally as well.  Ethnicity is more than just race.  WAY more.  We are not all equal and it is scientifically incorrect to proclaim that we are.  I thought you were familiar with Steven Pinker.

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Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 06, 2011, 06:10:41 AM
Still Poop though.

Your record is skipping.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 06:22:49 AM
Your record is skipping.
I`m just funning a little bit.  Ron Paul is still the best the GOP has to offer at the moment, but the GOP hates him so that won`t bode too well for him.  I do not like some of his positions, but if he can at least emerge as the top GOP candidate (he won`t beat Obama), perhaps that will change the face of their party because as it sits, its Poopier than Paul would ever be.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2011, 06:32:16 AM
I`m just funning a little bit.  Ron Paul is still the best the GOP has to offer at the moment, but the GOP hates him so that won`t bode too well for him.  I do not like some of his positions, but if he can at least emerge as the top GOP candidate (he won`t beat Obama), perhaps that will change the face of their party because as it sits, its Poopier than Paul would ever be.

Unlike you lefties, we are not looking for a messiah.   
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 06:35:09 AM
Unlike you lefties, we are not looking for a messiah.   
Of course you are.  Palin was supposed to be it.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Mr. Magoo on May 06, 2011, 06:40:05 AM
I'm just curious about the Ron Paul supporters

Do you agree with Douglas in the Lincoln-Douglas debates in that slavery should be left up to the states to vote on, or do you think the federal government should mandate that certain behaviors be prohibited?
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 06, 2011, 06:42:41 AM
Ron response to the legalization of drugs was the best answer I've heard in a long time. lol
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2011, 06:44:45 AM
I'm just curious about the Ron Paul supporters

Do you agree with Douglas in the Lincoln-Douglas debates in that slavery should be left up to the states to vote on, or do you think the federal government should mandate that certain behaviors be prohibited?

Owning another person is a violation of fundamental human rights and harms others.   RP is talking about behaviors of the individual that dont necessarily harm others.       
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Mr. Magoo on May 06, 2011, 06:51:35 AM
Owning another person is a violation of fundamental human rights and harms others.   RP is talking about behaviors of the individual that dont necessarily harm others.        

But how do you define what harms others? Are you talking about Mill's harm principle in chapter 3 of On Liberty, or Jefferson's similar harm principle? What about economic or societal oppression? If Wal-mart opens a store in a small town, the local business owners go out of business and are economically harmed, many families are unemployed, etc. But Ron Paul doesn't want to regulate big businesses. But isn't it true that the actions of these corporations also harm those less well off in society? Sometimes economic harm is worse than physical harm.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 06, 2011, 06:53:45 AM
I'm just curious about the Ron Paul supporters

Do you agree with Douglas in the Lincoln-Douglas debates in that slavery should be left up to the states to vote on, or do you think the federal government should mandate that certain behaviors be prohibited?



I think the mantra of most Paul supporters is liberty. Not liberty or some, but liberty for all. In that sense it wouldnt make a slave of anyone so niether the States not the federal government would need to prohibit anything regarding this issue. I hope that makes sense, its probably not something i should be thinking about this early in the morning.  :)
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 06:55:05 AM
But how do you define what harms others? Are you talking about Mill's harm principle in chapter 3 of On Liberty, or Jefferson's similar harm principle? What about economic or societal oppression? If Wal-mart opens a store in a small town, the local business owners go out of business and are economically harmed, many families are unemployed, etc. But Ron Paul doesn't want to regulate big businesses. But isn't it true that the actions of these corporations also harm those less well off in society? Sometimes economic harm is worse than physical harm.

RP opposes corporatism so I am not sure how he would address that.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 06:56:28 AM


I think the mantra of most Paul supporters is liberty. Not liberty or some, but liberty for all. In that sense it wouldnt make a slave of anyone so niether the States not the federal government would need to prohibit anything regarding this issue. I hope that makes sense, its probably not something i should be thinking about this early in the morning.  :)
How is denying a women`s right to choose to have an abortion "Liberty for all"?
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2011, 07:00:19 AM
But how do you define what harms others? Are you talking about Mill's harm principle in chapter 3 of On Liberty, or Jefferson's similar harm principle? What about economic or societal oppression? If Wal-mart opens a store in a small town, the local business owners go out of business and are economically harmed, many families are unemployed, etc. But Ron Paul doesn't want to regulate big businesses. But isn't it true that the actions of these corporations also harm those less well off in society? Sometimes economic harm is worse than physical harm.

The maker of the whip drawn buggy agrees with you, so does the maker of the commodore 64. 
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 06, 2011, 07:00:39 AM
How is denying a women`s right to choose to have an abortion "Liberty for all"?

I didnt say I agree with RP on all points, this is one of those that I don't understand but I have a differnet take on when human life starts than Paul does. I think thats the deciding factor on peoples stance regarding this issue. I don't think he said he would ever deny abortions either but would have that decision made on a more local level.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Mr. Magoo on May 06, 2011, 07:04:54 AM
The maker of the whip drawn buggy agrees with you, so does the maker of the commodore 64. 

But you don't think the traditional idea of Liberty is inconsistent with a pure free market society?
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: whork25 on May 06, 2011, 07:07:41 AM
How is denying a women`s right to choose to have an abortion "Liberty for all"?

Its not and i disagree with him on this but im not gonna let one issue divide us

He is by far the best candidate IMO
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2011, 07:08:36 AM
But you don't think the traditional idea of Liberty is inconsistent with a pure free market society?

Of course it is.  We dont have a free market society in any form whatsoever.   its about choice - if you dont like something, dont buy it or patronize their store.      
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Mr. Magoo on May 06, 2011, 07:14:45 AM
Of course it is.  We dont have a free market society in any form whatsoever.   its about choice - if you dont like something, dont buy it or patronize their store.      

But Ron Paul advocates that everyone has liberty (although he has never defined how he means this term except to say that everyone has a right to their life) and that they should be free from governmental oppression. If Ron Paul thinks that the government shouldn't oppress people, then why won't he advocate the regulation of big businesses such as taxation? Why does Ron Paul give corporations a free pass to do whatever they want if he is truly concerned about protecting citizens from being harmed by the actions of others.

Whenever this topic comes up in a debate, he always tries to skip over it by saying "Well if government didn't give money to these corporations, they would never become big" which I think is false. In a true free market society (which is without a doubt what Paul wants), it is morally permissible for some to become really wealthy while others remain extremely poor.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2011, 07:17:35 AM
Yawn - you libs are really a hoot.   In a free market society, the bad corps go bankrupt and go away.   The bad actors get prosecuted for fraud and crimes where they exist. 

In the corporatist model as supported by most big govt types, corps are an extension of the state and failure is subsidized and rewarded at the expense of the taxpayer. 

GE, Goldman, AIG, GM anyone?       
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: MCWAY on May 06, 2011, 07:18:09 AM
How is denying a women`s right to choose to have an abortion "Liberty for all"?

There ain't no liberty for the baby being dismembered.

And, per abortion laws in certain parts, you can kill the baby all the way to the 9th month, as long as the head is still inside the womb. My son was in the womb 8 months and a week, before he was born. If somebody had dared claimed that he wasn't really a baby and it was alright to abort him, I'd might be in jail because that person could have walked away with a black eye and a fat lip.

Heck, there was one case where a woman killed her baby outside the womb but wasn't charged with murder, simply because the umbillical cord hadn't been cut.

That ain't liberty for all.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 07:21:19 AM
There ain't no liberty for the baby being dismembered.

And, per abortion laws in certain parts, you can kill the baby all the way to the 9th month, as long as the head is still inside the womb. My son was in the womb 8 months and a week, before he was born. If somebody had dared claimed that he wasn't really a baby and it was alright to abort him, I'd might be in jail because that person could have walked away with a black eye and a fat lip.

Heck, there was one case where a woman killed her baby outside the womb but wasn't charged with murder, simply because the umbillical cord hadn't been cut.

That ain't liberty for all.

You are scary. Many Christians like you live under a thin tissue of extremely violent tendencies; you seem to be one of them.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: MCWAY on May 06, 2011, 07:23:24 AM
You are scary. Many Christians like you live under a thin tissue of extremely violent tendencies; you seem to be one of them.

When it comes to someone messing with my family, I will get violent. That's what fathers do.

Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 07:25:24 AM
When it comes to someone messing with my family, I will get violent. That's what fathers criminals do.



Fixed.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2011, 07:26:28 AM
Its amazing to me how leftists try to separate individual liberty from economic liberty as if the two are really much different.   

Truly bizarre.   


GET OUT OF MY WALLET, GET OUT OF BEDROOM, GET OUT OF MY WAY!   
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: whork25 on May 06, 2011, 07:26:54 AM
There ain't no liberty for the baby being dismembered.

And, per abortion laws in certain parts, you can kill the baby all the way to the 9th month, as long as the head is still inside the womb. My son was in the womb 8 months and a week, before he was born. If somebody had dared claimed that he wasn't really a baby and it was alright to abort him, I'd might be in jail because that person could have walked away with a black eye and a fat lip.

Heck, there was one case where a woman killed her baby outside the womb but wasn't charged with murder, simply because the umbillical cord hadn't been cut.

That ain't liberty for all.

Hahaha
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 07:29:05 AM
Its amazing to me how leftists try to separate individual liberty from economic liberty as if the two are really much different.   

Truly bizarre.   


GET OUT OF MY WALLET, GET OUT OF BEDROOM, GET OUT OF MY WAY!   

You should argue with MCWAY, he is the same, just the reverse.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: MCWAY on May 06, 2011, 07:31:24 AM
Fixed.

That's Deicide for you. Someone assaults his family or tries to harm them and he's going to just sit there and postulate and pontificate about the situation.

Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: whork25 on May 06, 2011, 07:32:14 AM
You should argue with MCWAY, he is the same, just the reverse.

If thats your stand you should be a progressive

Repub are just as bad as liberals in controlling peoples lives

Ron Paul not included
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Mr. Magoo on May 06, 2011, 07:33:22 AM
Yawn - you libs are really a hoot.   In a free market society, the bad corps go bankrupt and go away.   The bad actors get prosecuted for fraud and crimes where they exist. 

In the corporatist model as supported by most big govt types, corps are an extension of the state and failure is subsidized and rewarded at the expense of the taxpayer. 

GE, Goldman, AIG, GM anyone?       

"In a free market society, the bad corps go bankrupt and go away". This is not true, especially in a global market. I explained this to you in that thread from a couple of days ago. We as citizens cannot know what corporations do in the same way that we can tell how good a job the town blacksmith did. The bad actors do NOT get prosecuted. The bad actors make huge political campaign donations to politicans who then go on letterman and spout off nonsense about how the corporations are paying too many taxes (Rand Paul did this). The amount of harm to personal liberty and democracy that is done by these corporations are astounding. Conservatives spend too much time worry about unions and government oppressing them when they should be worried about preventing corporations from doing the same.

The liberals who want a bigger government want it in order to restrain corporations from harming those in society who aren't wealthy enough to influence political decisions.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2011, 07:40:05 AM
"In a free market society, the bad corps go bankrupt and go away". This is not true, especially in a global market. I explained this to you in that thread from a couple of days ago. We as citizens cannot know what corporations do in the same way that we can tell how good a job the town blacksmith did. The bad actors do NOT get prosecuted. The bad actors make huge political campaign donations to politicans who then go on letterman and spout off nonsense about how the corporations are paying too many taxes (Rand Paul did this). The amount of harm to personal liberty and democracy that is done by these corporations are astounding. Conservatives spend too much time worry about unions and government oppressing them when they should be worried about preventing corporations from doing the same.

The liberals who want a bigger government want it in order to restrain corporations from harming those in society who aren't wealthy enough to influence political decisions.

Yawn - gmafb - how old are you?   

And guess who pays for all this nonsense?   

BTW - its clear that the liberal model is failure. 

  The top five states for business in 2011, according to the magazine:

1) Texas

2) North Carolina

3) Florida

4) Tennessee

5) Georgia

The five worst states:

46) Michigan

47) New Jersey

48) Illinois

49) New York

50) California
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 07:45:15 AM
Yawn - gmafb - how old are you?  

And guess who pays for all this nonsense?  

BTW - its clear that the liberal model is failure.  

  The top five states for business in 2011, according to the magazine:

1) Texas

2) North Carolina

3) Florida

4) Tennessee

5) Georgia

The five worst states:

46) Michigan

47) New Jersey

48) Illinois

49) New York

50) California

Uh, North Carolina is a blue state, overwhelmingly so.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Mr. Magoo on May 06, 2011, 07:45:20 AM
In North Carolina as of May 6, 2011

Registered Voters:
Democratic: 2,706,384 Republican: 1,924,873

I can only speak for NC but the triangle area (where the jobs are at in the state) is vastly more liberal than conservative.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 07:46:38 AM
In North Carolina as of May 6, 2011

Registered Voters:
Democratic: 2,706,384 Republican: 1,924,873

I can only speak for NC but the triangle area (where the jobs are at in the state) is vastly more liberal than conservative.
ROFLMAO,

I was just about to post that.


http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/
Voter Registration as of 05/06/2011 Democratic: 2,706,384 Republican: 1,924,873 Libertarian: 10,677 Unaffiliated: 1,456,235 Total: 6,098,169
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: MCWAY on May 06, 2011, 07:47:13 AM
Uh, North Carolina is a blue state, overwhelmingly so.

333386 is referring to states that are DEEP blue and have been for years. North Carolina and Florida just flipped blue in 2008 but they've historically been red (and will likely go red in 2012).
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2011, 07:48:08 AM
1 out of 5 and you are jumping up?   Look at the bottom 5! 
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 07:48:22 AM
333386 is referring to states that are DEEP blue and have been for years. North Carolina and Florida just flipped blue in 2008 but they've historically been red (and will likely go red in 2012).
Not really.


http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/
Voter Registration as of 05/06/2011 Democratic: 2,706,384 Republican: 1,924,873 Libertarian: 10,677 Unaffiliated: 1,456,235 Total: 6,098,169
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2011, 07:51:19 AM
Not really.


http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/
Voter Registration as of 05/06/2011 Democratic: 2,706,384 Republican: 1,924,873 Libertarian: 10,677 Unaffiliated: 1,456,235 Total: 6,098,169


Not all southern dems are socialist freaks like obama.    By the way - in 2012 - bama is going to get wiped out in the south. 
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 07:54:42 AM

Not all southern dems are socialist freaks like obama.    By the way - in 2012 - bama is going to get wiped out in the south. 
Nah.  I can already tell you thats not gonna happen at all. 
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2011, 07:59:20 AM
Nah.  I can already tell you thats not gonna happen at all. 

You guys make me laugh.   

Bama won in 2008 in what was a perfect storm for any dem, and even at that he only won by 6 points.  Not 10, 20, 15, but 6 points against a horrible candidate who suspended his campaign.   Bama didnt have a record to run on and now he does, which is horrendous.   in 2012, Bush fatigue is a non issue, bama cant claim to be anti war candidate, UE will still be far higher than the day he took office, inflation rampant, etc.   

So long as the GOP runs a semi decent campaign, he is done.   

Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: MCWAY on May 06, 2011, 08:06:40 AM
Not really.


http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/
Voter Registration as of 05/06/2011 Democratic: 2,706,384 Republican: 1,924,873 Libertarian: 10,677 Unaffiliated: 1,456,235 Total: 6,098,169

REALLY!!!

When was NC blue, prior to 2008 again?

Furthermore, as 333386 said, Obama is toast in North Carolina in 2012. Let's see how many of those Dems stay home or flip for the GOP candidate, after seeing Obama flounder and their state suffering as a result. It's not so much who's registered, it's who ACTUALLY SHOWS UP on election day. Black voters (almost all of whom are Dems), tend to be no-shows, when they aren't fired up about the Democratic nominee/incumbent. Same goes for younger voters.

More to the point, the five worst states that he mentioned are all DEEP, DEEP BLUE STATES, states that been blue for years on end. North Carolina isn't one such state. It wasn't blue until 2008.

Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 08:44:52 AM
If thats your stand you should be a progressive

Repub are just as bad as liberals in controlling peoples lives

Ron Paul not included

I am neither. I am registered Independent but have strong libertarian tendencies.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 08:47:11 AM
That's Deicide for you. Someone assaults his family or tries to harm them and he's going to just sit there and postulate and pontificate about the situation.



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If somebody had dared claimed that he wasn't really a baby and it was alright to abort him, I'd might be in jail because that person could have walked away with a black eye and a fat lip.

Look again; you said you would assault someone because of an act of speech; speech inflicts no physical harm and there is (still) freedom of speech in the USA. Don't try and wriggle yourself out of this, you clearly said you would assault and injure someone because they said something that displeased you.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: MCWAY on May 06, 2011, 09:02:52 AM
Look again; you said you would assault someone because of an act of speech; speech inflicts no physical harm and there is (still) freedom of speech in the USA. Don't try and wriggle yourself out of this, you clearly said you would assault and injure someone because they said something that displeased you.


Ummmm....did you happen to see the words "might" and "could" in that statement I made? And don't try to make some generic claim out of a specific statement. If I would merely assault and injure someont because they said something that displease me, YOU would be in bodycast right now.

People have said lots of stuff that "displease" me. Most of the time, I either brush them off or I say my peace. Where I draw the line is my family.

And, of course, the point that you missed was that I used that statement to make my feelings clear. Any fool who would claim that my son wasn't a baby, at 8 months and week in the womb (and thus subject to being dismembered) would get read the riot act, to say the least.

Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: The True Adonis on May 06, 2011, 09:03:52 AM
I am neither. I am registered Manic Depressive but have strong libertarian Suicidal tendencies.
Fixed.  8)
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
Fixed.  8)

Your trolling is beyond irritating.
Title: Re: Ron Paul - South Carolina Debate Highlights
Post by: Deicide on May 06, 2011, 09:09:35 AM

Ummmm....did you happen to see the words "might" and "could" in that statement I made? And don't try to make some generic claim out of a specific statement. If I would merely assault and injure someont because they said something that displease me, YOU would be in bodycast right now.

People have said lots of stuff that "displease" me. Most of the time, I either brush them off or I say my peace. Where I draw the line is my family.

And, of course, the point that you missed was that I used that statement to make my feelings clear. Any fool who would claim that my son wasn't a baby, at 8 months and week in the womb (and thus subject to being dismembered) would get read the riot act, to say the least.



There you go again with threats of violence; not very Christian of you, is it?