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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: affeman on May 06, 2011, 10:48:53 AM
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Where exactly is he narrow? ???
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Big Phil and Huge Jay 8)
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Jay has relative small clavicles too, it's all balloony muscle without serious foundation, and yes, I saw Jay in person.
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=224058&d=1122821622)
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All trenbalonga, equipony, religion of peace ::), etc.
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Jay has relative small clavicles too, it's all balloony muscle without serious foundation, and yes, I saw Jay in person.
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=224058&d=1122821622)
He's a foot wider than anyone (except Ruhl) who's ever stepped on stage. How can you say he has narrow clavicles?
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He's a foot wider than anyone (except Ruhl) who's ever stepped on stage. How can you say he has narrow clavicles?
joel stubbs was wider
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He's a foot wider than anyone (except Ruhl) who's ever stepped on stage. How can you say he has narrow clavicles?
He is wide because of his mass in the delts & back, but not in his clavicles (just by observing the bones). This results in a artificial wide look.
Guys like Ruhl, Dillet, Coleman and Stubbs are blessed exceptions, but Jay has only the artificial muscle mass.
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Can't see the narrow shoulder/lats?
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Where exactly is he narrow? ???
His arms are big for his frame. The haters then call him narrow instead of having good arms. Synthol full and no quality muscle too - this is runner up Mr. O we are talking about.
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i guess jay cutler is also a small bitch afterall?
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His arms are big torso is too narrow for his frame. The haters realists then call him narrow instead of having good arms praising him for his big arms. Synthol full and no quality muscle too - this is runner up Mr. O we are talking about.
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His arms are big for his frame. The haters then call him narrow instead of having good arms. Synthol full and no quality muscle too - this is runner up Mr. O we are talking about.
I was gonna post scanned pics of the Flex magazine that from 2006, that showed him going thru a arm routine---this photoshoot was captured on film for his first DVD...it shows the striations in his tris and bis, and well developed bracs and forearms---you can't get that from synthol or seo...
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Can't see the narrow shoulder/lats?
You see how narrow he is now? You can't even see the shoulder/lats!
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His arms are big for his frame. The haters then call him narrow instead of having good arms. Synthol full and no quality muscle too - this is runner up Mr. O we are talking about.
Runner up according to the IFBB(!). At least a Mr 'O should have BALANCE and FOUNDATION. Phil has none of those qualities. Get over that hating thing, has nothing to do with it.
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Everyone says he`s narrow but I guarantee you it won`t keep him from winning and placing high.
One guy says it,then other people just repeat it ad nauseum.
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Everyone says he`s narrow but I guarantee you it won`t keep him from winning and placing high.
One guy says it,then other people just repeat it ad nauseum.
Exactly. Looks better than any other current pro, esp. when being compared to them onstage.
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Everyone says he`s narrow but I guarantee you it won`t keep him from winning and placing high.
One guy says it,then other people just repeat it ad nauseum.
Don't be surprised if he never wins the Olympia. He places well because he's a good bodybuilder, but he has a serious structural flaw that is always working against him. Phil's success is in the hands of the competition.
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Exactly. Looks better than any other current pro, esp. when being compared to them onstage.
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Runner up according to the IFBB(!). At least a Mr 'O should have BALANCE and FOUNDATION. Phil has none of those qualities. Get over that hating thing, has nothing to do with it.
I tried looking up Phil Heath 2004 pics, here is a link
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/97248-PHIL-HEATH-2004-PICS (http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/97248-PHIL-HEATH-2004-PICS)
and a Phil Hearh progression 2003-2010
http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?p=1159271 (http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?p=1159271)
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Don't be surprised if he never wins the Olympia. He places well because he's a good bodybuilder, but he has a serious structural flaw that is always working against him. Phil's success is in the hands of the competition.
He might consider a clavicle elongation..
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Everyone says he`s narrow but I guarantee you it won`t keep him from winning and placing high.
One guy says it,then other people just repeat it ad nauseum.
DING DING DING DING....We have a winner....!!
That's the Getbig mantra...like sheep. That's what we get when you have a bunch of guys who don't know BB, trying to talk BB....
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DING DING DING DING....We have a winner....!!
That's the Getbig mantra...like sheep. That's what we get when you have a bunch of guys who don't know BB, trying to talk BB....
(http://www.tomriccobono.com/poconuts/angry_bob%20narrowsburg.jpg)
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why does everyone put an "a" at the end of different BB drugs?!? its INSULIN, GROWTH HORMONE ETC.. there is no "a" at the end... seems like alot here like to copy the so called god of hormones on here
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That's the Getbig mantra...like sheep.
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Where exactly is he narrow? ???
not only narrow!,,,VERY NARROW,, like teenage girl ,, i bet money that bobbie wife is as wide as phil heath in calvicles,,dont let illsuion of thicness of arms and some thicness of delts and torso from front to back fuck with your eyes,,he is VERY NARROW AS IN HALF THE SIZE OF JASON from calvicle to calvicle,,and jason is wide btu not super wide just good wide enough calvicles for bodybuild
take a look at jason annd phillip,,jason has muscle ,,matured developed ,,look like shit ,,skin thick and fold of skin from hgh and test and losing and gaining weight all the time but! stil have foudnation ,,,phillip heath ? absolitly zero foundatiuon the muscle doesnt have the work development of real muscle,,it just doesnt,,it does hav ea blow up doll appearance because it is just what it is ...blow up by ENORMOUS doses of hormones and products
and no he doesnt get this blow up look from 5 iu insulina 5 iu gh and 100 mg trenbolona and testosterona ....he get is from 10 times this doses,,,with out it he is 175lb ...got that right not 200lb...`165-175 lb
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dont try to push on them someone only because he has been decided to be new face of bodybuilding because of marketability! ,,he look liek balooned up black fella ,,version of richards from the 80s only on mega hgh and insulina!,,,he is not even remotely close to any of the top 80s and top 90s bodybuilders,,he is hgh and insulina SMOOTH LIKE BABY BUTT,,by the use of diuretic he get into competition condition that can never be shredded or peeled only ripped due to lower bodyfat between skin and muscle,,,but inside the muscle a whollle diff story ,,HE IS A DOUGH BOY INSIDE THE MUSCLE,,,
he is not what bodybuild should be! he is B U N K
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oh and one more thing,,richards was 10 times better because his size was real,,solid real size! he didnt count on insulina and hgh in mega doses from china....get big and lean ....phil heath is all chinease products written all over him ,,now yes chinease products can be good ...but you need foundation ,,,,you dont just jump from 200lb on mega dose insulina and hgh...you start slower...you BUILD FOUNDATION ,,take you number of extra years,,but! you have this foundation ,,,take one look at his abs...fella never even did a crunch in his life time,,thi sis all lean balooned fake size from insulina and hgh ,,,this size is artifical balooned ,,,lean low bodyfat but artificial size to the absolit maximus
skin is so thick ..just not what mr o shoudl look like ...now if you ron colman you can do what you want but phil heath doesnt have ron colman freakiness,, he doesnt sell 240lb as well as ron colman sold 240lb ....
he is 215lb on stage size right now trying to be pushed into 245lb body,,not even remotely close to levrone,,condition is diff ,,muscle development is diff,,maturity ,,he lack in so many aspects....
but yes he is low bodyfat ...and has good muscle shape... ::)
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Gh15, are you saying we might never see Phil with striated kidneys ?
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,,he is not even remotely close to any of the top 80s and top 90s bodybuilders,,
I disagree ,I think he's the closest thing to the 90's bodybuilders ,I don't care what he looks like off-season , on stage he looks better than 99% of IFBB pro's
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6432/110/d/ph_backbi1222970073.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/125/images/Kevin_Levrone_photo356.jpg)
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Where exactly is he narrow? ???
Me neither...I see full, thick pecs..and ok width.
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I disagree ,I think he's the closest thing to the 90's bodybuilders ,I don't care what he looks like off-season , on stage he looks better than 99% of IFBB pro's
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6432/110/d/ph_backbi1222970073.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/125/images/Kevin_Levrone_photo356.jpg)
I believe he has the most complete, symmetrical and conditioned back double bi of any top pro.
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youll never see him with dorian condition not even in colorado pro ...because even then he was on gh and insulina in moderate doses,,
dont you see the skin tecture all look same....thick skin ,,,folds of skin ,,when sit down can never see the abs clearly due to skin folds...only before competition after diuretic at sub 5% you do even then not always,,,same look of skin to kai an to phil,,,but kai has foundation ...
generally speaking the skin is very very thick ,,,phillip has low bodyfat yes who wont on so much gh and aas...anyone would..he got good muscle shape but he got HORRID horrid structure,,and his size is blown btu not blown foundation ,,it is blown with insulina that take everything and put it into the muscle...the gh keep him lean ,,his muscle shape is genetic...but! his shredded peeles dexter like condition is gone gone gone,,youll never see a sean ray or dexter jax or dorian yates condition on phil heath ...firs tbecause he doesnt have their level of development and level of lean muscle that is built on foundation ,,,and second because he wanted everything fast...he is prime example of someone who blew up on HORMONES and had good muscle shape ....take out the hormones for 6 months LISTEN TO ME 6 MONTHS NOT 12 NOT 18 ...6 MONTHS...and he is sub 185 and 9-10% bodyfat...im talking here 6 months with absolitly no hormones..
185 or less 9-10% bodyfat
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Phil has some great bodyparts and some good poses. But, has a strange look - and in some of the more important poses, like the FDB and FLS, he does not look particularly good - at least not like a Mr.O should look...
Pic from last year... with a mediocre middleweight. Not exactly dwarfing the Aussie amateur. You get it now? (End of thread)
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I disagree ,I think he's the closest thing to the 90's bodybuilders ,I don't care what he looks like off-season , on stage he looks better than 99% of IFBB pro's
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6432/110/d/ph_backbi1222970073.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/125/images/Kevin_Levrone_photo356.jpg)
no my friend,,,very very wrong,,he is SMOOTH ,,look lower back 2 sides of spine...you see fibers? you see straitions? look in the xmas tree,,yous ee any straitions? this is highly important!! he only is low bodyfat ,,,and look liek baby butt smooth in comparison to the greats such as dex ron dorian samir,,,he has very thick skin VERY THICK,,not geneticaly but due to mega dose insulina and hgh ,,with out insulina he is not even being able to stand on stage and place....he is not genetic marvel i keep telling you this,,,he is low bodyfat,,but take a close look at the back....sliced and good muscle shape doesnt mean highly conditioned! he is screaming hgh and insulina on high dose... no striations and he is not extremly big there he is 235-245 somewhere in between ...and absolitly nothing that scream peeled on the back...why? because he maxed out at 215...this is when he was taking the optimal hgh and insulina that gave him best results...after that he was just adding dough ,,again low bodyfat ...anyone can have...look at middle east bodybuild.. a great bodybuild wil have their condition ....with ron colman dorian yates size...or will hav esamir condition nnwith less fake size...what phil heath is B U N K size friends
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Pic from last year... with a mediocre middleweight. Not exactly dwarfing the Aussie amateur. You get it now? (End of thread)
he actualy is very bad bodybuild for the level he compete at,,it is the thickness due to hormones from front to back that gets him impressive to judges...and the muscle shape....when it comes to actual true size...and when it comes to peeled condition he fails miserebly on both and usualy you bring mr o to improve,,phillip heath can not improve only go backwords,,,you will see he is done growing...the reason he is done growing is because he is foundationless,,he is maxed at 215-220
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(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10419&stc=1&d=1270561779)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1sgFBi6tqN8/TM3QrQVYKyI/AAAAAAAACPM/YOeUcDarCao/s1600/phil_heath_260lbs_october_2010.jpg)
he has good muscle shape ill give him that
but lets flip the script
who on the mr o stage is phil wider than???
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I believe he has the most complete, symmetrical and conditioned back double bi of any top pro.
symterical ....yes...proprtionate yes from the back in double bi ...not when relaxed since he is all arms...,,,and this is why he is smaller fella,,,smaller fellas have it usualy ,,that why i keep saying his weight is 215 -220 not the numbers he try to reach
look at the back ,,it is not dry enough,,it is not peeled,,it has low bodyfat yes but the fat is within muscle...yes levrone had same thing but his condition was better because he didnt abuse insulina at those levels...not as much as phillip but even levrone couldnt nail it because of this reason but still day and night between the 2 ,,levrone actualy have muscle at 180...phillip would have nothing he would be into the high singles lowe doubles at 180 with no hormones...levrone would still keep single digit and will be much denser and much more muscular at this weight,,he just have better foundation ,,,phillip heath disapear if he go off hormones ,,he is like someone who never touch weight with hormones out of system for 6 months +
yes he has xmas tree..is it mr o level ? go look at frank zane ,,,or haney ,,, or samir...or dorian....or ron at his prime...
the fact someone has good muscle shape or great muscle shape does not make him phenominal bodybuilder,,,the fact he blow up on hormoens doesnt make him phenominal bodybuilder,,the fact he uses seo doesnt make him phenominal bodybuilder,,, what make pne phenominal bodybuilder is taking a physiqe with foundation and create it into a statue...then blow it up...
see ron colman 1998 to 2003,,even before 1998 ron had foundation he always had it
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he actualy is very bad bodybuild for the level he compete at,,it is the thickness due to hormones from front to back that gets him impressive to judges...and the muscle shape....when it comes to actual true size...and when it comes to peeled condition he fails miserebly on both and usualy you bring mr o to improve,,phillip heath can not improve only go backwords,,,you will see he is done growing...the reason he is done growing is because he is foundationless,,he is maxed at 215-220
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I understand what you are saying , but I think he looks 1000 X better than the Arnold Champion
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TLLEJh6SwjI/AAAAAAAANkg/_WiTrlOf2To/s1600/Branch+Warren+-+03+-+Mr+Olympia+Contest+2010+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C0161.jpg)
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symterical ....yes...proprtionate yes from the back in double bi ...not when relaxed since he is all arms...,,,and this is why he is smaller fella,,,smaller fellas have it usualy ,,that why i keep saying his weight is 215 -220 not the numbers he try to reach
look at the back ,,it is not dry enough,,it is not peeled,,it has low bodyfat yes but the fat is within muscle...yes levrone had same thing but his condition was better because he didnt abuse insulina at those levels...not as much as phillip but even levrone couldnt nail it because of this reason but still day and night between the 2 ,,levrone actualy have muscle at 180...phillip would have nothing he would be into the high singles lowe doubles at 180 with no hormones...levrone would still keep single digit and will be much denser and much more muscular at this weight,,he just have better foundation ,,,phillip heath disapear if he go off hormones ,,he is like someone who never touch weight with hormones out of system for 6 months +
yes he has xmas tree..is it mr o level ? go look at frank zane ,,,or haney ,,, or samir...or dorian....or ron at his prime...
the fact someone has good muscle shape or great muscle shape does not make him phenominal bodybuilder,,,the fact he blow up on hormoens doesnt make him phenominal bodybuilder,,the fact he uses seo doesnt make him phenominal bodybuilder,,, what make pne phenominal bodybuilder is taking a physiqe with foundation and create it into a statue...then blow it up...
see ron colman 1998 to 2003,,even before 1998 ron had foundation he always had it
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true..
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let me tell you a little secret...you see a bodybuild ...flip him and make him flex back doubel bi....insted of looking at his arm and thikn they are not big enough ...look at the lower back ...cut the back into 2 sections lower and upper...upper back is always good with all bodybuilders lol
now lower back...take a look at the x the x that cuts the xmas tree alomot like slice it as in x go through the xmas tree...that x need to be very clear and define and it is with every great bodybuilder,,look at phil heath...the upper parts of the x are watery ...bloofy....they are not hard enough nor dry enough...this is the hardest part for a bodybuilder to bring out...if he can see it cutting through the muscle....( its wrapping the kidnys you from both side...) if you can see it cutting through the muscle you will also see straitions on the kidnys and in the xmas tree...
if you have thar! you are mr o worthy,,,phil heath dont have it and never will,,,he cant anymore,,individuals that abuse insulina unles freak of nature like ron colman do not have this,,phil heath lives on insulina like diabetic,,,
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look at levrone ,,even with this shitty pictures you can see the x SLICING the lowr back into the muscle,,cutting through,,and thisi s on insulina! he is drier,,just better condition
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let me tell you a little secret...you see a bodybuild ...flip him and make him flex back doubel bi....insted of looking at his arm and thikn they are not big enough ...look at the lower back ...cut the back into 2 sections lower and upper...upper back is always good with all bodybuilders lol
now lower back...take a look at the x the x that cuts the xmas tree alomot like slice it as in x go through the xmas tree...that x need to be very clear and define and it is with every great bodybuilder,,look at phil heath...the upper parts of the x are watery ...bloofy....they are not hard enough nor dry enough...this is the hardest part for a bodybuilder to bring out...if he can see it cutting through the muscle....( its wrapping the kidnys you from both side...) if you can see it cutting through the muscle you will also see straitions on the kidnys and in the xmas tree...
if you have thar! you are mr o worthy,,,phil heath dont have it and never will,,,he cant anymore,,individuals that abuse insulina unles freak of nature like ron colman do not have this,,phil heath lives on insulina like diabetic,,,
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Jay doesn't have that and he won 4
(http://datastore.rediff.com/h450-w600/thumb/6B6868702D35322F/w21qv1y1jzqxq9cs.D0.jay-cutler-back-double-bi.jpg)
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Jay doesn't have that and he won 4
(http://datastore.rediff.com/h450-w600/thumb/6B6868702D35322F/w21qv1y1jzqxq9cs.D0.jay-cutler-back-double-bi.jpg)
but jason has foundation!!,, he had it...he had it before when he was still very large....he just ruined himself later on ....but he was going head to head with ron colman for many years and htat ruined him,,,he did have very good foundation back int he days when he was competing against mike matarazzo and the rest...jason can nto be compared to heath ...he HAS FOUNDATION
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I understand what you are saying , but I think he looks 1000 X better than the Arnold Champion
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TLLEJh6SwjI/AAAAAAAANkg/_WiTrlOf2To/s1600/Branch+Warren+-+03+-+Mr+Olympia+Contest+2010+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_O5C0161.jpg)
He will beat Branch, but that speaks more to the lack of quality competition than it does to Phil's dominance.
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but jason has foundation!!,, he had it...he had it before when he was still very large....he just ruined himself later on ....but he was going head to head with ron colman for many years and htat ruined him,,,he did have very good foundation back int he days when he was competing against mike matarazzo and the rest...jason can nto be compared to heath ...he HAS FOUNDATION
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OK GH15 , I'll stop arguing or people are going to think that I give a fuck about BB
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(http://anabolicresource.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Phil-Heath1.jpg)
artificial, soft, thick skin, and abs looked liked they've never done crunches
...and no foundation
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Heaths back double bi,blows Branchs` out of the water.
GH15 has some valid points,but Heath will be Mr. O one day IMO.
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(http://anabolicresource.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Phil-Heath1.jpg)
artificial, soft, thick skin, and abs looked liked they've never done crunches
...and no foundation
no soft just not dry enough...he is all insulina gh,,light hit him right here still not dry
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Back double bi,blows branchs` out of the water.
GH15 has some valid points,but Heath will be Mr. O one day IMO.
thats because warren is 5'5 and try to be 240-250...warren has foundation though,,,still a mess ,,still horrid ,,but has foundation
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Jay has relative small clavicles too, it's all balloony muscle without serious foundation, and yes, I saw Jay in person.
lol - don't know how else to respond.
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Heath Bars are a good candy bar quote this if you're down.
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thats because warren is 5'5 and try to be 240-250...warren has foundation though,,,still a mess ,,still horrid ,,but has foundation
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True
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phil is narrow, a brutal myspace angle, and phil with his arms spread apart
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LORD.. i love how if you talk about phil's physique you are somehow a hater lol.. look, if you cant see how narrow his structure is then thank the lord you are not judging contests.. they would be more screwed up than they already are..
phil is extremely narrow.. look at relaxed poses.. look at pictures at expos were he is standing relaxed.. no width at all.. it is just a structural flaw he can do nothing about.. not hating on him.. it is what it is..
take away his arms and you have a average pro bodybuilder.. no other bodyparts really standout.. but at this point in bodybuilding history you can go very far with great arms and averge other bodyparts.. we see this all the time now.. in this regard he should not be beating jay anytime ..ever..
il will say that phils most muscular poses are some of the best.. the arms really standout and take away from his lack of weaker bodyparts..
as for jay having narrow clavicles.. please.. look at jay relaxed from behind.. wide as hell.. look at photos of phil relaxed from behind.. one hell of a alot of difference.. now can phil be mr o.. yes, when jay retires.. he is well spoken and a pretty classy guy and that is what they are looking for.. llord know they have marketed the hell out of him.. but should he be mr o? not unless everyone else is just way off.. i hear he is agreat guy.. and i respect that.. just stating from a structure standpoint..
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DRY CONDITION>bloofy size FACT
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Retards can't even decide whether or not they think phil heath has sufficient width. lol.
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Retards can't even decide whether or not they think phil heath has sufficient width. lol.
you are by far the most benign poster on getbig of all time
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phil is narrow, a brutal myspace angle, and phil with his arms spread apart
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs460.ash2/73359_447676861278_192666161278_5490468_4361515_n.jpg)
lol, not everyone knows that phil heath is standing there ;D
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Where exactly is he narrow? ???
Heath has very narrow clavicles, which, when combined with his long torso, gives him a very unaesthetic look. He has those round muscle bellies typical of black guys, but his structure is very lacking.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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bbing is all illusion
see the arm and forearm difference between jay and phil
but to the untrained eye and standing on his lonesome phil has the biggest arms in bbing
comparable to ronnies
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Everyone says he`s narrow but I guarantee you it won`t keep him from winning and placing high.
One guy says it,then other people just repeat it ad nauseum.
Exactly , if that's his only flaw I say he's WAY ahead of the game