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Some highlights from an article in the washing Times. Is this person wrong?
Bin Laden’s goal was to trigger a clash of civilizations. He sought to pit radical Islam against the West, becoming a galvanizing force for Muslim militants everywhere. He gave new life to the Islamist project of imposing a global caliphate based on Shariah law. Revolutionary Islamism has tens of millions of followers, spreading like locusts across the Middle East, North Africa, Asia and Europe. Bin Laden may be dead, but his macabre ghost lives on.
Bin Laden’s strategic ambition was to suck the United States into prolonged guerrilla wars. Being a man of the East, he understood that Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires. Britain, czarist Russia, the Soviet Union - their armies were broken by Afghanistan’s harsh terrain and fierce tribes. His aim was to bankrupt America, slowly bleeding us as we fought one counterinsurgency operation after another. In short, he set a trap - and we rushed headlong into it.
After the fall of the Taliban, he (Bush), embarked upon nation-building. The Muslim world was to be made safe for democracy. America was pushing a “freedom agenda” for Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, Palestine, Egypt and Lebanon.
The results have been disastrous. In Iraq, about 4,400 U.S. troops are dead, 30,000 have been maimed or wounded, and more than $1 trillion has been spent. Instead of being a pro-Western pluralistic democracy, the Iraqi government is championing Shariah and drifting into Tehran’s orbit. Iran has benefited at America’s expense.
In Afghanistan, President Obama’s troop surge has failed. It has become America’s longest war - nearly a decade and counting. Our troops are hamstrung by strict rules of engagement that make any kind of victory impossible. In fact, U.S. forces have been transformed into a muscular Peace Corps. Their job is not so much to kill terrorists as to build roads, schools and hospitals.
Our drone strikes are inciting mass anti-Americanism among both Afghans and Pakistanis. Our supposed ally in Kabul, President Hamid Karzai, is a corrupt thug who is openly contemptuous of U.S. military involvement. He is constantly fanning public opinion against America. Rather than winning, we are losing the hearts and minds of ordinary Afghans. Nearly 1,000 U.S. soldiers have died since Mr. Obama took office. Billions in U.S. aid has been stolen by corrupt local officials. American blood and treasure are being squandered in a futile - and reckless - effort at nation-building.
Since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. establishment has embraced a globalist ideology: democratic universalism. Both neoconservatives and liberal interventionists believe America must spread democratic values, even through the barrel of a gun.
America has become the new Roman Empire. And like all multinational empires, we are overextended, our military is stretched too thin, and our treasury is depleted.
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lol @ people who respond with 'that's nonsense' without addressing those points.
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He lost. He lost big.
Islamic terrorism went from a non-thought to a major priority. Al Queda itself was decimated and continues to be destroyed on a daily basis. Outside of failed terrorist state Gaza, no other country in the Middle East has embraced his warped ideology. Iraq is in good shape, Guantanamo is still open and fish are swimming out of Bin Ladens eyeballs.
We will probably leave Afghanistan sooner rather than later, Pakistan is desperate to get back in our good graces and despite the fact that the US president is a naive liberal hump at best, Drone attacks have skyrocketed on his watch.
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lol @ people who respond with 'that's nonsense' without addressing those points.
lol @ morons too stupid to offer any insights of their own without mindlessly pointing at an article someone else wrote and not elaborating.
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Some highlights from an article in the washing Times. Is this person wrong?
Bin Laden’s goal was to trigger a clash of civilizations. He sought to pit radical Islam against the West, becoming a galvanizing force for Muslim militants everywhere. He gave new life to the Islamist project of imposing a global caliphate based on Shariah law. Revolutionary Islamism has tens of millions of followers, spreading like locusts across the Middle East, North Africa, Asia and Europe. Bin Laden may be dead, but his macabre ghost lives on.
Bin Laden’s strategic ambition was to suck the United States into prolonged guerrilla wars. Being a man of the East, he understood that Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires. Britain, czarist Russia, the Soviet Union - their armies were broken by Afghanistan’s harsh terrain and fierce tribes. His aim was to bankrupt America, slowly bleeding us as we fought one counterinsurgency operation after another. In short, he set a trap - and we rushed headlong into it.
After the fall of the Taliban, he (Bush), embarked upon nation-building. The Muslim world was to be made safe for democracy. America was pushing a “freedom agenda” for Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, Palestine, Egypt and Lebanon.
The results have been disastrous. In Iraq, about 4,400 U.S. troops are dead, 30,000 have been maimed or wounded, and more than $1 trillion has been spent. Instead of being a pro-Western pluralistic democracy, the Iraqi government is championing Shariah and drifting into Tehran’s orbit. Iran has benefited at America’s expense.
In Afghanistan, President Obama’s troop surge has failed. It has become America’s longest war - nearly a decade and counting. Our troops are hamstrung by strict rules of engagement that make any kind of victory impossible. In fact, U.S. forces have been transformed into a muscular Peace Corps. Their job is not so much to kill terrorists as to build roads, schools and hospitals.
Our drone strikes are inciting mass anti-Americanism among both Afghans and Pakistanis. Our supposed ally in Kabul, President Hamid Karzai, is a corrupt thug who is openly contemptuous of U.S. military involvement. He is constantly fanning public opinion against America. Rather than winning, we are losing the hearts and minds of ordinary Afghans. Nearly 1,000 U.S. soldiers have died since Mr. Obama took office. Billions in U.S. aid has been stolen by corrupt local officials. American blood and treasure are being squandered in a futile - and reckless - effort at nation-building.
Since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. establishment has embraced a globalist ideology: democratic universalism. Both neoconservatives and liberal interventionists believe America must spread democratic values, even through the barrel of a gun.
America has become the new Roman Empire. And like all multinational empires, we are overextended, our military is stretched too thin, and our treasury is depleted.
(1) That was not Bin Ladens mission or strategic ambition
(2) Iraq is not going anywhere near Sharia law; but then again what else would you expect from the Washington Post?
(3) It is too early to tell if the troop surge has failed, especially since Bin Laden is now dead.
(4) That drone attacks are inspiring anti Americanism is pure nonsense and wholly irrelevant. These are areas where America is hated anyway. An unmanned drone with a targeted killing is a hell of a lot better than putting our soldiers in harms way. The author of this article is a mindless hack.
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Al-Qaida is "bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy", Osama bin Laden claims, in a section of his latest videotape which has just come to light.
Delivering a financial report on the "war on terror", he says that every dollar spent by al-Qaida in attacking the US has cost Washington $1m (£545,000) in economic fallout and military spending.
The remarks appear in a full transcript of the 18-minute tape posted on the website of al-Jazeera. They were omitted last Friday when the TV station broadcast extracts.
Referring to Afghanistan, Bin Laden says: "We, alongside the mujahideen, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat ... So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/nov/03/usa.alqaida
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Several Taliban detainees who had been captured in February after being observed placing bombs in the culverts of roads used by civilians and military convoys near Kandahar were fed, given medical treatment, then released by American troops frustrated by a policy they say is forcing them to kick loose enemies who are trying to kill them.
Despite what American soldiers say was a mountain of evidence, which included a video of the men planting the bomb and chemical traces found on their hands, there was nothing the soldiers who had captured them could do but feed and care for them for 96 hours.
washingtonexaminer.com.. .
We've read tons of stories like these. The military is too busy building schools and paving roads and other bullshit. No clear mission, nothing. Don't want to offend any of the locals. Complete waste of time and resources, costing enormous amounts of money we don't have. Bomb, rebuild, bomb, rebuild. capture, release, let them grow opium or theyll side with the Taliban..etc...
Soilders are frustrated as hell and it's killing moral. If your going to go into a war, why the fuck stay there for 10 plus years doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result? i would call this a failure.
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(2) Iraq is not going anywhere near Sharia law; but then again what else would you expect from the Washington Post?
But everyone sure seems to have thier underwear in a knot about it coming to the States and it's people are protected by the Constitution and those that are suppose to enforce the law. So if people are worried about Sharia Law coming to America, why isnt it possible that it's spreading to a place as unstable as Iraq?
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By that logic, we should be worried about it going anywhere and everywhere. You forget that the people of Iraq turned against Al Queda; which is why we were able to make progress there. Think about it. Arab Spring almost toppled every country in that region where there has been unrest as of late. Iraq was largely left out of the frying pan. There are huge minorities there that by design want no part of that way of life. That also goes for the Muslims who jumped ship against the radicals who tried to force America out of the country.
People in this country fear Sharia coming to America because there are too many braindead liberals in positions of power here. A "nobody is better than anyone else and everyone is the best at everything" psychosis infects liberals at the expense of reality. There is no such thing as liberalism in the middle east. There is only blood thirsty extremist, minority or average every day nobody who just wants to lead a normal life with enough food and water.
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Did Bin Laden win?
He's responsible for nearly bankrupting us, our constitutional rights have been abused, and eroded away in some ways, our military is spread thin allover the globe, we now accept the fact that we have to suffer abuse at our own airports by our own people in order to travel.
Someones goal was definitely achieved. We've been changed, and weakened big time, over some boogeyman that we can't even really define.
Why did we invade Iraq again? ??? ::)
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Some highlights from an article in the washing Times. Is this person wrong?
Bin Laden’s goal was to trigger a clash of civilizations.
Yes. Wrong. His goal was the destruction of the United States.
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(1) That was not Bin Ladens mission or strategic ambition
(2) Iraq is not going anywhere near Sharia law; but then again what else would you expect from the Washington Post?
(3) It is too early to tell if the troop surge has failed, especially since Bin Laden is now dead.
(4) That drone attacks are inspiring anti Americanism is pure nonsense and wholly irrelevant. These are areas where America is hated anyway. An unmanned drone with a targeted killing is a hell of a lot better than putting our soldiers in harms way. The author of this article is a mindless hack.
I agree with this.
I will say that his attack on 9/11 was successful, because it brought the country to its knees and caused us to change the way we live. So by definition Al Qaeda's terrorism worked.
But he didn't win the "war." I'm not even sure the war on terror will ever end. It's essentially war against an ideology.
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How could you agree with that when I just provided a quote that came out of Bin Ladens own mouth?
He wanted Americas military to be stretched thin and the countries finances drained. It looks like both those things are happening and as you said the war on terror isnt anywhere near done.
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How could you agree with that when I just provided a quote that came out of Bin Ladens own mouth?
He wanted Americas military to be stretched thin and the countries finances drained. It looks like both those things are happening and as you said the war on terror isnt anywhere near done.
Here is what came out of Bin Laden/Al Qaeda's mouth: it is the duty of all Muslims to kill Americans, including innocent civilians, wherever Americans are found. An excerpt from the Fatwa he issued in 1998:
"The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1998.html
Also, I started a thread on this subject last year: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=356548.0
BTW, P.I.P. was posting as Cy Tolliver in that thread.
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What you posted goes without saying but one of strategies was to financially cripple the country. I got the feeling you and George disagreed with this.
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What you posted goes without saying but one of strategies was to financially cripple the country. I got the feeling you and George disagreed with this.
I agree. I don't think either one of us is disagreeing with Osama having a goal of financially crippling the country. That's actually one of the goals of terrorism (see the thread/link I posted).
I was disagreeing with the premise of the article you posted: "Bin Laden’s goal was to trigger a clash of civilizations." His goal was to kill Americans. Everything else was gravy.
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How could you agree with that when I just provided a quote that came out of Bin Ladens own mouth?
I've noticed that with some of these posters facts have no place here, gut feelings, and opinion are much more important.
Wrong. His goal was the destruction of the United States.
So according to Beach Bum, Osama (an intelligent individual) thought he was going to destroy America by allegedly destroying two buildings? ??? ;D
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He lost. He lost big.
Islamic terrorism went from a non-thought to a major priority. Al Queda itself was decimated and continues to be destroyed on a daily basis. Outside of failed terrorist state Gaza, no other country in the Middle East has embraced his warped ideology. Iraq is in good shape, Guantanamo is still open and fish are swimming out of Bin Ladens eyeballs.
We will probably leave Afghanistan sooner rather than later, Pakistan is desperate to get back in our good graces and despite the fact that the US president is a naive liberal hump at best, Drone attacks have skyrocketed on his watch.
Says who? And compared to what?
We don't know if this will rally Al Queda even more...and lets face it, we've created the next generation by invovling ourselves in Iraq and Afghanistan...those lil kids who've seen their fathers, brothers, uncles shot, blown up, etc...by the US "invaders" (as they like to call us, because are in their country, regardless of our agenda), will take up the warped ideology of Bin laden and Company...
We may have plans to leave Afghanistan...but history tells us, when you lay with someone with STDs, you just might get the gift that keeps on giving---meaning, we will always feel the effects of Afghanistan, whther it be economically, thru the drug trade, or politically.
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America should have been as complacent and willfully blind as possible and treated Islamic terrorists as no big deal. Then, after every attack we should have done nothing except apologized and given into the demands of the terrorists so they would be nice to us. The myriad of attacks that were prevented because of post 911 protocols should have been allowed to happen because they were no big deal. We should have never killed Osama. Then and only then, America would have won.
Is that about right?
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America should have been as complacent and willfully blind as possible and treated Islamic terrorists as no big deal. Then, after every attack we should have done nothing except apologized and given into the demands of the terrorists so they would be nice to us. The myriad of attacks that were prevented because of post 911 protocols should have been allowed to happen because they were no big deal. We should have never killed Osama. Then and only then, America would have won.
Is that about right?
No, we would have done better by pin pointing our energy, having very specific plans and executing them with full force. What we have are, rules of engagement that are detrimental to our soilders, a wastefull and frustratingly long campaign of broad generalizations on a war on terror.
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No, we would have done better by pin pointing our energy, having very specific plans and executing them with full force. What we have are, rules of engagment that are detrimental to our soilders, a wastefull and frustratingly long campaign of broad generalizations on a war on terror.
That's because the liberal establishment has made it as difficult as possible for America to succeed. They are the ones who want terrorists on the battlefield mirandized and tried for "crimes" in federal court. They are the ones who do pro bono work in defending Guantanamo detainees. They are the ones who don't want to use enhanced interrogation techniques. They are the ones on the Supreme Court who ignored 60 years of precedent in declaring Guanatanmo bay part of the US mainland. They are the ones who want us to fight like we are launching a PR campaign instead of trying to win a war. I've said this 10000 times; They do not want America to succeed. They do not want us to defeat Islamic terrorism. They want America to be weak.
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I credit the people that have pussified this politically correct society and transformed war from a battle for victory to a game of nation building.
We went into Afghanistan to decimate Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda has, for the most part, had its head cut off. The ideology lives on but their ability to stage spectacular attacks has been severely hindered.
Let's also not forget that we could have been out of Afghanistan 10 years ago if Pakistan didn't: 1) Let him escape over the mountains when the CIA paramilitary guys and Delta had him cornered early on in Tora Bora and 2) Spend the next 10 years taking billions of dollars a year from us while orchestrating the insurgency and sheltering the guys we're after.
What OBL did teach us is that the best way to deal with these terrorist trash is by taking the fight right to their doorstep through the use of small special forces teams from the SEALs, CIA paramilitary and the like. Fuck nation building. Our goal should be to kill or capture terrorists, something we excel at.
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I credit the people that have pussified this politically correct society and transformed war from a battle for victory to a game of nation building.
We went into Afghanistan to decimate Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda has, for the most part, had its head cut off. The ideology lives on but their ability to stage spectacular attacks has been severely hindered.
Let's also not forget that we could have been out of Afghanistan 10 years ago if Pakistan didn't: 1) Let him escape over the mountains when the CIA paramilitary guys and Delta had him cornered early on in Tora Bora and 2) Spend the next 10 years taking billions of dollars a year from us while orchestrating the insurgency and sheltering the guys we're after.
What OBL did teach us is that the best way to deal with these terrorist trash is by taking the fight right to their doorstep through the use of small special forces teams from the SEALs, CIA paramilitary and the like. Fuck nation building. Our goal should be to kill or capture terrorists, something we excel at.
We will continue nation building for the foreseeable future. That has always been part of American foreign policy.
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That's because the liberal establishment has made it as difficult as possible for America to succeed. They are the ones who want terrorists on the battlefield mirandized and tried for "crimes" in federal court. They are the ones who do pro bono work in defending Guantanamo detainees. They are the ones who don't want to use enhanced interrogation techniques. They are the ones on the Supreme Court who ignored 60 years of precedent in declaring Guanatanmo bay part of the US mainland. They are the ones who want us to fight like we are launching a PR campaign instead of trying to win a war. I've said this 10000 times; They do not want America to succeed. They do not want us to defeat Islamic terrorism. They want America to be weak.
Bingo.
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We will continue nation building for the foreseeable future. That has always been part of American foreign policy.
"We". Hahahaha. You fled this country 15+ years ago because you're a pussy who can't find a country he fits in with. Why don't you tear up your passport, career student?
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Did OBL with win war?
He's dead
American troops occupy and control afganistan resources.
American troops disposed of Saddam Hussain and in essence occupy and control Iraq.
We got fingers in Libya
We hunted and ar hunting down AQ all over the globe
We have seized millions of their money.
We relegated most of what ever other ground troops to living in caves.
Did I mention he is also fish food?
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What happened to the USA since 911?
Airport scanners and a 3 oz limit for gels and liquids.
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What happened to the USA since 911?
Airport scanners and a 3 oz limit for gels and liquids.
Theres been more than that going on and more coming. Heres another bill that would create more beuraucracy and in turn no doubt blow more money the nation doesnt have.
(Reuters) - A senator on Sunday called for a "no-ride list" for Amtrak trains after intelligence gleaned from the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound pointed to potential attacks on the nation's train system.
Sen. Charles Schumer said he would push as well for added funding for rail security and commuter and passenger train track inspections and more monitoring of stations nationwide.
"Circumstances demand we make adjustments by increasing funding to enhance rail safety and monitoring on commuter rail transit and screening who gets on Amtrak passenger trains, so that we can provide a greater level of security to the public," the New York Democrat said at a news conference.
U.S. officials last week said evidence found after the raid on bin Laden's compound in Pakistan indicated the al Qaeda leader or his associates had engaged in discussions or planning for a possible attack on a train inside the United States on September 11, 2011.
Schumer, citing U.S. intelligence analysts, said attacks were also considered on Christmas and New Year's Day and following the president's State of the Union address.
He called on the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to expand the Secure Flight monitoring program, which cross-checks air travelers with the terror watch list in an attempt to prevent anyone on the "no-fly list" from boarding, for use on Amtrak.
Such a procedure would create an Amtrak "no-ride list" to keep suspected terrorists off the U.S. rail system, he said.
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What happened to the USA since 911?
Airport scanners and a 3 oz limit for gels and liquids.
How would you rate the performance of the US Economy from 2001 to 2011?
The state of our currency?
If this was indeed one of his goals... well, can you argue our currency or economy has gotten *stronger* since 2001? LOL
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Did OBL with win war?
He's dead
American troops occupy and control afganistan resources.
American troops disposed of Saddam Hussain and in essence occupy and control Iraq.
We got fingers in Libya
We hunted and ar hunting down AQ all over the globe
We have seized millions of their money.
We relegated most of what ever other ground troops to living in caves.
Did I mention he is also fish food?
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What happened to the USA since 911?
Airport scanners and a 3 oz limit for gels and liquids.
QFT--- all of the unintended consequences have nothing to do with OBL... Oz nailed it on the head.
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"We". Hahahaha. You fled this country 15+ years ago because you're a pussy who can't find a country he fits in with. Why don't you tear up your passport, career student?
Racist post reported.
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"We". Hahahaha. You fled this country 15+ years ago because you're a pussy who can't find a country he fits in with. Why don't you tear up your passport, career student?
Had to take a pot shot huh? Who's the pussy? The guy who toughs it out on his own, works and pays for his own education? or the spoilt brat who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and got every dime he 'earned' from mommy and daddy and never had to work a day in his life? I think the answer is clear, now go back to mooching off your parents.
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Nah, the country hasnt changed at all...
Cover of Drudge this morning.
USA FREAK OUT: TERROR FEARS; FALSE ALARMS
Sen. Schumer Calls For Amtrak 'Do Not Ride' List...
Two tunnel 'breaches' cause scare in NYC...
SUV 'bomb' scare ...
Threats Divert Planes in Three Separate Incidents...
Scary Flight To Chicago...
Threatening Note In Bathroom Departing Detroit...
'Are we gonna blow up?'
4 Arrested For Videotaping T&A Line At Denver...
Dallas Train Station Evacuated: Man Asked For Help Carrying Packages...
USA FREAK OUT: TERROR FEARS; FALSE ALARMS
In an audio message addressed to US President Barack Obama, he said: "America will not be able to dream of security until we live in security in Palestine. It is unfair that you live in peace while our brothers in Gaza live in insecurity."
Seems to be working.
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Schumer is a real pofs. I live in NYS and he is beyond a putz.
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Nah, the country hasnt changed at all...
Cover of Drudge this morning.
USA FREAK OUT: TERROR FEARS; FALSE ALARMS
Sen. Schumer Calls For Amtrak 'Do Not Ride' List...
Two tunnel 'breaches' cause scare in NYC...
SUV 'bomb' scare ...
Threats Divert Planes in Three Separate Incidents...
Scary Flight To Chicago...
Threatening Note In Bathroom Departing Detroit...
'Are we gonna blow up?'
4 Arrested For Videotaping T&A Line At Denver...
Dallas Train Station Evacuated: Man Asked For Help Carrying Packages...
USA FREAK OUT: TERROR FEARS; FALSE ALARMS
In an audio message addressed to US President Barack Obama, he said: "America will not be able to dream of security until we live in security in Palestine. It is unfair that you live in peace while our brothers in Gaza live in insecurity."
Seems to be working.
And all of the things you posted are because of OBL and Americas response? ::)
There was terrorism before Bin Laden and there will be terrorism after Bin Laden. Until Islam no longer exists we must be willing act diligently; otherwise we are dead meat. Muslim vermin has been perpatrating acts of terror across the globe for a thousand years. What makes you think the next thousand years will be different? OBL or not-- it is an ideology we are at war with, not a single man.
The war will never end and neither will the war on drugs--- ideology and human nature will always exist. The key is to contain it.
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Come on George, you're well read enough to know that the timing of all this hyped security isn't just coincidence, it's a result of bin ladens death. So even through death his dream lives on. Were Americans living in thus type of fear thirty years ago in this own country? I don't remember it being this way.
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Fair enough-- however, I don't consider these responses to his death a victory for Bin Laden.
We live in the information age. 24 hour news cycles, blogs, alternative media, facebook etc.-- Sensationalism and stupidity come with the territory. Now that Islamic terrorism is within the consciousness of the general public, there is always going to be a ton of coverage regarding anything and everything related to potential attacks.
That's the price of doing business and that's what comes with the territory when you have a target on your back.
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Come on George, you're well read enough to know that the timing of all this hyped security isn't just coincidence, it's a result of bin ladens death. So even through death his dream lives on. Were Americans living in thus type of fear thirty years ago in this own country? I don't remember it being this way.
BD, isn't this kind of a expected reaction? Of course we will hear of new threats in the wake of OBL's death. Of course we will strive to compensate wi stupid ineffective things like the no-fly list and now the no- ride list for trains. AQ and OBL did have an inpact on our country but have our lives really changed much? Not really.
The whole title to the thread is about whether or not OBL won. It's kind of a stupid question really.
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How would you rate the performance of the US Economy from 2001 to 2011?
The state of our currency?
If this was indeed one of his goals... well, can you argue our currency or economy has gotten *stronger* since 2001? LOL
That's really an awfully bad/weak/unrealted argument 240.
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This whole episode proves Navy Seals kick fucking ass, ANYONES' ASS.
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Did OBL with win war?
He's dead
American troops occupy and control afganistan resources.
American troops disposed of Saddam Hussain and in essence occupy and control Iraq.
We got fingers in Libya
We hunted and ar hunting down AQ all over the globe
We have seized millions of their money.
We relegated most of what ever other ground troops to living in caves.
Did I mention he is also fish food?
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What happened to the USA since 911?
Airport scanners and a 3 oz limit for gels and liquids.
Taking off our shoes too. ::) But I agree with you.
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That's really an awfully bad/weak/unrealted argument 240.
not if a bulk of the borrowing that led to the dollar decline was to support wars directly caused by OBL.
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This whole episode proves Navy Seals kick fucking ass, ANYONES' ASS.
Truth.
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Truth.
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BD, isn't this kind of a expected reaction? Of course we will hear of new threats in the wake of OBL's death. Of course we will strive to compensate wi stupid ineffective things like the no-fly list and now the no- ride list for trains. AQ and OBL did have an inpact on our country but have our lives really changed much? Not really.
I don't wanna believe that some future generation might actually believe that getting anally probed is a fair sacrifice for the promise of safety. It might sound laughable, but I never thought it would be possible that the public would be okay with stepping into a machine that can view them as if they were nude either.
I dont like the direction I see things going.
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It's everything. We have such a dumbed down society it's not even funny. I ask my 16 yo niece questions about basic shit and she is beyond clueless.
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not if a bulk of the borrowing that led to the dollar decline was to support wars directly caused by OBL.
anyone?
OBL starts this war. He says his goal is to drain us financially. We borrow what, a trillion a year for the wars? More? The USD is tanking and if we weren't paying for 2-3 wars, I doubt we'd be tanking.
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I don't wanna believe that some future generation might actually believe that getting anally probed is a fair sacrifice for the promise of safety. It might sound laughable, but I never thought it would be possible that the public would be okay with stepping into a machine that can view them as if they were nude either.
I dont like the direction I see things going.
I don't either.