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Ive seen enough pics... Read enough threads.. And feel pretty comfortable saying that the NPC stopped producing exceptional, top level, high quality physiques by 1996. Its been a slow decline since then.
...hence the IFBB's pool of talent has been dwindling ever since then. So fans have slowly been repelled by the sport ever since then...
So much so that you may flip through a muscle magazine at the store; but you feel zero desire to read a
single article about today's pro's.
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Today's pros are characterless idiots without any profile.
Boring as fuck.
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oh boy you just unleashed the wrath of smurfmorph78
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I hink 98 or 99, because Dex and Melvin got their pro cards around that time, and the NPc was still producing quality. Ronnie, Flex, Shawn, Chris, Kev, were last of the old guard and still in top form...by 2003-2004, it was the last of the Cretaceous Period--and Ronnie Coleman was King Rex (T Rex, but meant in a dominant awe inspiring way)....
The NPC has lost it's quality control and opted for dollar signs, thus leading to piss poor quality Pros. Sure there have been some moments of good quality Pros like Phil Heath and Richard Jones, but most of the guys getting their Pro Cards today would have been relegated to the lower rungs of the NPC back in 1996-99.
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Ive seen enough pics... Read enough threads.. And feel pretty comfortable saying that the NPC stopped producing exceptional, top level, high quality physiques by 1996. Its been a slow decline since then.
...hence the IFBB's pool of talent has been dwindling ever since then. So fans have slowly been repelled by the sport ever since then...
So much so that you may flip through a muscle magazine at the store; but you feel zero desire to read a
single article about today's pro's.
Sounds about right - the era when guys like Newman, Titus, Francois, and DeMayo were all competing against one another were the best years for the NPC.
Even Palumbo looked half decent back then.
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Today's pros are characterless idiots without any profile.
Boring as fuck.
x2 that s the problem
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Ive seen enough pics... Read enough threads.. And feel pretty comfortable saying that the NPC stopped producing exceptional, top level, high quality physiques by 1996. Its been a slow decline since then.
...hence the IFBB's pool of talent has been dwindling ever since then. So fans have slowly been repelled by the sport ever since then...
So much so that you may flip through a muscle magazine at the store; but you feel zero desire to read a
single article about today's pro's.
Best builds in the mid to late 80s IMO
The sport had the most respect in the 90s as far as prize money and coverage.
At the moment body building shows are up there with Bondage and Star wars conventions, interesting oddities no more
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For me golden era stopped while watching 2001 battle for the olympia.
Too much smith machine, too much un-inspired training, too much guy with no charisma.
Watching bbing video and magazine from 90's is my only motivation.
Same thing in the gym, disparition of old school huge and thick bodybuilder, disparition of hardcore gym, with brotherhood athmosphere, too many juiced teen with no fondation speaking about supp and functionnal "mma" training...
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Best builds in the mid to late 80s IMO
The sport had the most respect in the 90s as far as prize money and coverage.
At the moment body building shows are up there with Bondage and Star wars conventions, interesting oddities no more
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i am dutch, in the 80's we had berry de mey...
woman wanted him, men wanted to be him...
funny guy, charisma and could actually engage in conversation!
today most of these guys seem to have down syndrom....
sad sad sad!
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http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjUzMTE5NTI=.html
p.i.p
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i am dutch, in the 80's we had berry de mey...
woman wanted him, men wanted to be him...
funny guy, charisma and could actually engage in conversation!
today most of these guys seem to have down syndrom....
sad sad sad!
Berry was top of the bill..
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1996, just about the time they started adding insulin to the gh.
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in 99 it was still good, as you can see from the olympia lineup that year.
although nasser sucked..
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Ive seen enough pics... Read enough threads.. And feel pretty comfortable saying that the NPC stopped producing exceptional, top level, high quality physiques by 1996. Its been a slow decline since then.
...hence the IFBB's pool of talent has been dwindling ever since then. So fans have slowly been repelled by the sport ever since then...
So much so that you may flip through a muscle magazine at the store; but you feel zero desire to read a
single article about today's pro's.
Can't say I disagree with you one bit... :(
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Best builds in the mid to late 80s IMO
The sport had the most respect in the 90s as far as prize money and coverage.
At the moment body building shows are up there with Bondage and Star wars conventions, interesting oddities no more
Agreed. Some of the mid to late '80's guys that fought for years just to get a pro card were incredible.
Oh well, that progression I guess.
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gh and insulin has screwed bodybuilding over, if it was just aas, no gh, no slin, no peptides it would be fine.
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good analysis. maybe for physiques, but as an industry, it peaked around 2001-2002.
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I hink 98 or 99, because Dex and Melvin got their pro cards around that time, and the NPc was still producing quality. Ronnie, Flex, Shawn, Chris, Kev, were last of the old guard and still in top form...by 2003-2004, it was the last of the Cretaceous Period--and Ronnie Coleman was King Rex (T Rex, but meant in a dominant awe inspiring way)....
The NPC has lost it's quality control and opted for dollar signs, thus leading to piss poor quality Pros. Sure there have been some moments of good quality Pros like Phil Heath and Richard Jones, but most of the guys getting their Pro Cards today would have been relegated to the lower rungs of the NPC back in 1996-99.
fail.
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Ive seen enough pics... Read enough threads.. And feel pretty comfortable saying that the NPC stopped producing exceptional, top level, high quality physiques by 1996. Its been a slow decline since then.
...hence the IFBB's pool of talent has been dwindling ever since then. So fans have slowly been repelled by the sport ever since then...
So much so that you may flip through a muscle magazine at the store; but you feel zero desire to read a
single article about today's pro's.
Great post ! I'm in total agreement here ! GH15 spoke on this once, actually ( several times, in fact ). He mentioned how the gear back then was much better which, in turn, produced better physiques. It was more " pharmaceutical-grade " type stuff. That and one word said three times : Insulin, insulin, insulin. I loved the look of the mid-90's myself. Would give just about anything to look like Francois when he won his first few pro shows !
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1996, just about the time they started adding insulin to the gh.
Was that the time? I always thought it time Yates transformed his physique between '92-'93. Maybe I'm mis-remembering.
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fail.
Like it or not, Phil Hearh is one of the better Pros, his 2006 form of 215, looks good...he wasn't gifted his pro card in 2005...
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The fact is people know more about steroids now. Professional bodybuilding (ie getting up on a stage for shows) is and always has been about the illusion. The illusion has been shattered, and only the retards remain. The only people still in it are guys who got a taste of muscle-gain heroin and couldn't pull themselves away, knowing full well the train wreck they've got waiting for them in the years ahead.
What kid in his right mind wakes up today and says "holy shit i want everyone to cringe everytime they think about how many syringes i've jammed into my ass"?
The illusion remains strong with our sterling "natural" athletes, however. ::)
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there were still some good bbers in the usa and nationals into 2000's esp light heavies usa's jone's ,heath,dugdale in a row.superheavies haven't produced the total size,shape,condition top guy yet.lightheavy and heavyweights make best pro's only david henry as a small middle busted some serious size to become a very good pro.
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Great post ! I'm in total agreement here ! GH15 spoke on this once, actually ( several times, in fact ). He mentioned how the gear back then was much better which, in turn, produced better physiques. It was more " pharmaceutical-grade " type stuff. That and one word said three times : Insulin, insulin, insulin. I loved the look of the mid-90's myself. Would give just about anything to look like Francois when he won his first few pro shows !
Oh, geez, you can't possibly believe that the reason why physiques were better in the 1990s is because steroids were more "pharmaceutical grade". A molecule is a molecule is a molecule. A molecule of trenbolone from French Parabolan is the same molecule as the one found in finaject from China for veterinarian applications.
The reason why bodybuilders from the 1990s were better is because they had better genetics and they didn't use insulin or used it very little. Insulin has given modern bodybuilders 50 extra pounds, but too bad that 30 of those go to the gut, and insulin causes water retention that even diuretics can't dry, so it blurrs out muscular definition. Hence, the quality of physiques has declined with bodybuilders having biggers guts and less muscular definition than they did in the 1990s.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Oh, geez, you can't possibly believe that the reason why physiques were better in the 1990s is because steroids were more "pharmaceutical grade". A molecule is a molecule is a molecule. A molecule of trenbolone from French Parabolan is the same molecule as the one found in finaject from China for veterinarian applications.
The reason why bodybuilders from the 1990s were better is because they had better genetics and they didn't use insulin or used it very little. Insulin has given modern bodybuilders 50 extra pounds, but too bad that 30 of those go to the gut, and insulin causes water retention that even diuretics can't dry, so it blurrs out muscular definition. Hence, the quality of physiques has declined with bodybuilders having biggers guts and less muscular definition than they did in the 1990s.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Didn't say I believed it. Re-read my post, " lieutenant ". ;)
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in 99 it was still good, as you can see from the olympia lineup that year.
although nasser sucked..
99 was the last year and then down hill began, 96, 98 and 99 were the peek. 97 was a little off and 2000 half the line up had big guts. Today small waste, vains and striations are rare.
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Whatever year they started injecting oil or synthol into their muscles was the start of the decline.
The HGH/Insulin guts are still tolerable, as these drugs make the rest of their bodies bigger as well and they still need to train to actually build the muscles as opposed to just injecting SEO's.
Anyone know which year they started using synthol or whatever 'sight enhancement oil's' they inject?
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Whatever year they started injecting oil or synthol into their muscles was the start of the decline.
The HGH/Insulin guts are still tolerable, as these drugs make the rest of their bodies bigger as well and they still need to train to actually build the muscles as opposed to just injecting SEO's.
Anyone know which year they started using synthol or whatever 'sight enhancement oil's' they inject?
Kevin and Flex started this in 94 but very little amounts in the right spots and didn't abuse it.
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Kevin and Flex started this in 94 but very little amounts in the right spots and didn't abuse it.
Thanks.
That's quite a few years earlier than I thought.
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Kevin and Flex started this in 94 but very little amounts in the right spots and didn't abuse it.
oh brother .."OneTimeHard" ....epic screen name.... let me guess, you were there when Flex came in at 0% bf.... ::) ::)
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oh brother .."OneTimeHard" ....epic screen name.... let me guess, you were there when Flex came in at 0% bf.... ::) ::)
What's your beef joanne?......What's your IQ 50, Bodyfat being 0 is bragging and clearly a lie, using esiclene makes you look bad.... why on earth would that not be believable Einstein?
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Today's pros are characterless idiots without any profile.
Boring as fuck.
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You could watch "Pumping Iron" once a week for a year and it wouldn't get boring, but watching Jay "The Giant-Sloth" Cutler eat, train and eat some more in slow motion isn't really funny, not even for 5 minutes.
I think i have never watched a whole Bodybuilding DVD, besides one Markus Ruehl one which was quite funny.
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You could watch "Pumping Iron" once a week for a year and it wouldn't get boring, but watching Jay "The Giant-Sloth" Cutler eat, train and eat some more in slow motion isn't really funny, not even for 5 minutes.
I think i have never watched a whole Bodybuilding DVD, besides one Markus Ruehl one which was quite funny.
No shit and they are getting worse, the Dennis James one from Thailand is pretty funny. There is a guy in the backround riding past on a bike with 5 people on it, pretty funny.
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No shit and they are getting worse, the Dennis James one from Thailand is pretty funny. There is a guy in the backround riding past on a bike with 5 people on it, pretty funny.
Wow, i'd rather watch National Geographic for shit like that.
Seriously though, take for example that "real life soap" approach that Marc Drugdale had a few years ago. Nice idea, BUT. Boring as fuck. Dude gets up 4 in the morning, reads the bible, gets on the treadmill, adores his wife and kids, goes to church, trains a bit.... WTF?
B O R I N G .
The shit is running in Gold's all the time, you can watch that in between sets for 20-30 seconds, but I'd rather get waterboarded than watching through a whole Mits Okabe DVD.
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i think the battle for the olympia videos are pretty cool!
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1999 was the pinnacle. Downhill since.
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maybe there's a correlation between the decline in pro bodybuilding and Chick's reign as "athletes' rep" or maybe it's just a coincidence?
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it is just today's generation.... it's fucked!
it's all bigger, faster, more expensive...
nobody has his own opinion anymore, music is all the same.
movies suck , it's all the same... all these stupid reality shows.
people with no talent having tv shows.
making a sextape can get you star status.
you almost never see unique people anymore!
xfactor this and idols that....
funny thing... roling stones, one of the greatest bands of all time....
if they would enter idols or some fu#$ing show like that.
they would be send home, not marketable... they are ugly mothers....
talent used to be the most important factor... now it's just marketablity and looks.
with bodybuilding it is the same thing , no unique people anymore....
no more mentzer running naked thrue the streets high as a kite.... screeming HIT works.... fuck you arnold , I won!
no more arnold pulling pranks and dissing louie...
no more bob paris, who was very articulate and smart...
now we have .....
kai, branch, phil, wolf, etc etc...
sad.... very sad....
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agreed.
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You could watch "Pumping Iron" once a week for a year and it wouldn't get boring, but watching Jay "The Giant-Sloth" Cutler eat, train and eat some more in slow motion isn't really funny, not even for 5 minutes.
I think i have never watched a whole Bodybuilding DVD, besides one Markus Ruehl one which was quite funny.
You've got to remember that Pumping Iron isn't a straght documentary, but i agree with the point.
Some of Lee Priests are quite amusing.
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You've got to remember that Pumping Iron isn't a straght documentary, but i agree with the point.
Some of Lee Priests are quite amusing.
Yeah well i think that Pumping Iron is a "straight" documentary, whereas other BB dvds are simply homo.
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Only one I've seen is Blood & Guts which I hold to be very instructive!
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Fuck you, Opt. Prime ! That's blasphemy ! Mike M. only did that once ! Or was it twice ...
:D :D
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are you suggesting that Aaron Madron and Matt Duvall failed to make a lasting impression?
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Fuck you, Opt. Prime ! That's blasphemy ! Mike M. only did that once ! Or was it twice ...
:D :D
lol!!! he was a unique person for sure..
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Phil in the 95 usa was on.
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Kevin and Flex started this in 94 but very little amounts in the right spots and didn't abuse it.
Nope, Flex was out in 94 due to a broken neck, but both did Esiclene. Ernie Taylor was the one who brought synthol to the forefront in 96-97. After that, Flex had "bee stings" in 98-2000.
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Nope, Flex was out in 94 due to a broken neck, but both did Esiclene. Ernie Taylor was the one who brought synthol to the forefront in 96-97. After that, Flex had "bee stings" in 98-2000.
Ah yes, Kevin in 94, flex 95 and yes Ernie was the first to actually abuse it. When Flex returned his arms took a different shape and he blamed it on the accident and thats also when Shawn started saying he had calf implants.
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Ah yes, Kevin in 94, flex 95 and yes Ernie was the first to actually abuse it. When Flex returned his arms took a different shape and he blamed it on the accident and thats also when Shawn started saying he had calf implants.
really 'synthol' has been around for ages...
injectable steroids are also oil!
you think the guys from the 60 , 70 , and 80's did not site inject?
it's all oil, really the same thing, only synthol stays longer in it's place.
but i agree in the 90's when the real synthol became available, it took an extreme route, for the worse.
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Site injections have been around forever. Esiclene was there before synthol and some were so dependent on it they got lower placings at shows when availability faded. I know some pros from the 80:ies that always told me to inject winstrol (pharma grade) in me weaker bodyparts and it did look "real" atleast. I had the thought from the get go that maybe the injected ,muscle would grow bigger if you injected it. Thought more about as "local growth" than just swelling. Maybe localised was bullshit the swelling do look good when done right and not overdone. Kevin Levrone is one person who stands out as a big esiclene user. That shit gave an awesome look to someone who already was huge before. Aaron Baker is another one that was supposed to be a abuser. If you did esiclene wrong it would inflame the site a give a big bump. See Tom Platz 86 olympia for perfect example of this...biceps.