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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bodybuilder Lex Reeves on May 13, 2011, 06:23:47 PM
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Taking Creatine, Vandal Sulfate or other mild, store bought steroids? Think you're beating the system? Guess again. Creatine is a very mild steroid used for bulking. Recently a doctor friend of mine informed me that it will wreck the kidneys and the liver. Vandal Sulfate is a cutting steroid which could cause your heart to explode. Stay away from this crap! You need old fashioned hard work and a gallon of milk a day plus a tone of red meat and eggs. Do your squats and drink your milk. Remember steroids are for losers.
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red meat has creatine in it, champ
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Remember, a naturally occuring source is fine, there isn't enough in red meat to worry. It's the synthesized crap that will ruin your organs.
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Effects of long-term creatine supplementation on liver and kidney functions in American college football players.
Mayhew DL, Mayhew JL, Ware JS.
Exercise Science Program, Truman State University, Kirksville, MO 63501, USA.
The purpose of this study was to determine the effect of long-term Cr supplementation on blood parameters reflecting liver and kidney function. Twenty-three members of an NCAA Division II American football team (ages = 19-24 years) with at least 2 years of strength training experience were divided into a Cr monohydrate group (CrM, n = 10) in which they voluntarily and spontaneously ingested creatine, and a control group (n = 13) in which they took no supplements. Individuals in the CrM group averaged regular daily consumption of 5 to 20 g (mean SD = 13.9 5.8 g) for 0.25 to 5.6 years (2.9 1.8 years). Venous blood analysis for serum albumin, alkaline phosphatase, alanine aminotransferase, aspartate aminotransferase, bilirubin, urea, and creatinine produced no significant differences between groups. Creatinine clearance was estimated from serum creatinine and was not significantly different between groups. Within the CrM group, correlations between all blood parameters and either daily dosage or duration of supplementation were nonsignificant. Therefore, it appears that oral supplementation with CrM has no long-term detrimental effects on kidney or liver functions in highly trained college athletes in the absence of other nutritional supplements.
Long-term oral creatine supplementation does not impair renal function in healthy athletes.
* Poortmans JR,
* Francaux M.
Chimie Physiologique, Institut Superieur d'Education Physique et de Kinesitherapie, Universite Libre de Bruxelles, Brussels, Belgium. jrpoortm@ulb.ac.be
PURPOSE: Oral creatine supplementation is widely used in sportsmen and women. Side effects have been postulated, but no thorough investigations have been conducted to support these assertions. It is important to know whether long-term oral creatine supplementation has any detrimental effects on kidney function in healthy population. METHODS: Creatinine, urea, and plasma albumin clearances have been determined in oral creatine consumers (10 months to 5 yr) and in a control group. RESULTS: There were no statistical differences between the control group and the creatine consumer group for plasma contents and urine excretion rates for creatinine, urea, and albumin. Clearance of these compounds did not differ between the two groups. Thus, glomerular filtration rate, tubular reabsorption, and glomerular membrane permeability were normal in both groups. CONCLUSIONS: Neither short-term, medium-term, nor long-term oral creatine supplements induce detrimental effects on the kidney of healthy individuals.
Long-term creatine supplementation does not significantly affect clinical markers of health in athletes.
* Kreider RB,
* Melton C,
* Rasmussen CJ,
* Greenwood M,
* Lancaster S,
* Cantler EC,
* Milnor P,
* Almada AL.
Exercise and Sport Nutrition Laboratory, Department of Human Movement Sciences and Education, The University of Memphis, Memphis, TN, USA. Richard_Kreider@baylor.edu
Creatine has been reported to be an effective ergogenic aid for athletes. However, concerns have been raised regarding the long-term safety of creatine supplementation. This study examined the effects of long-term creatine supplementation on a 69-item panel of serum, whole blood, and urinary markers of clinical health status in athletes. Over a 21-month period, 98 Division IA college football players were administered in an open label manner creatine or non-creatine containing supplements following training sessions. Subjects who ingested creatine were administered 15.75 g/day of creatine monohydrate for 5 days and an average of 5 g/day thereafter in 5-10 g/day doses. Fasting blood and 24-h urine samples were collected at 0, 1, 1.5, 4, 6, 10, 12, 17, and 21 months of training. A comprehensive quantitative clinical chemistry panel was determined on serum and whole blood samples (metabolic markers, muscle and liver enzymes, electrolytes, lipid profiles, hematological markers, and lymphocytes). In addition, urine samples were quantitatively and qualitative analyzed to assess clinical status and renal function. At the end of the study, subjects were categorized into groups that did not take creatine (n = 44) and subjects who took creatine for 0-6 months (mean 4.4 +/- 1.8 months, n = 12), 7-12 months (mean 9.3 +/- 2.0 months, n = 25), and 12-21 months (mean 19.3 +/- 2.4 months, n = 17). Baseline and the subjects' final blood and urine samples were analyzed by MANOVA and 2 x 2 repeated measures ANOVA univariate tests. MANOVA revealed no significant differences (p = 0.51) among groups in the 54-item panel of quantitative blood and urine markers assessed. Univariate analysis revealed no clinically significant interactions among groups in markers of clinical status. In addition, no apparent differences were observed among groups in the 15-item panel of qualitative urine markers. Results indicate that long-term creatine supplementation (up to 21-months) does not appear to adversely effect markers of health status in athletes undergoing intense training in comparison to athletes who do not take creatine.
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Creatine was the very thing that highlighted I had only 1 workiong kidney. Put me in hospital after 3 weeks.
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Taking Creatine, Vandal Sulfate or other mild, store bought steroids? Think you're beating the system? Guess again. Creatine is a very mild steroid used for bulking. Recently a doctor friend of mine informed me that it will wreck the kidneys and the liver. Vandal Sulfate is a cutting steroid which could cause your heart to explode. Stay away from this crap! You need old fashioned hard work and a gallon of milk a day plus a tone of red meat and eggs. Do your squats and drink your milk. Remember steroids are for losers.
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Dear Lex, you missed the most dastardly of things: HMB. From many accounts it feels like Deca, there's no telling what it could do to you.....
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is this true?
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A short term experiment doesn't tell you what's coming down the road in ten or twenty years. The problem with university types is they have no street smarts. I've seen 'em come and I've seen 'em go. And I'm still here.
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A short term experiment doesn't tell you what's coming down the road in ten or twenty years. The problem with university types is they have no street smarts. I've seen 'em come and I've seen 'em go. And I'm still here.
So far, you're my least favourite gimmick.
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So far, you're my least favourite gimmick.
For real. At least try a little. Plus every thing you say reads as if its quted directly from IRONMAN Mag.
Dont make it so obvious. ::)
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Creatine is garbage!
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What about glutamine?
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Creatine is garbage!
Well.... Only supplement that actually does something. You can tell the difference when on creatine and when off. So I wouldn't call it exactly garbage....
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Well.... Only supplement that actually does something. You can tell the difference when on creatine and when off. So I wouldn't call it exactly garbage....
Yes you are correct, not to mention the FACT that it also improves athletic perfomance. And please give my kind regards to Riku Kiri next time you see him ;)
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Taking Creatine, Vandal Sulfate or other mild, store bought steroids? Think you're beating the system? Guess again. Creatine is a very mild steroid used for bulking. Recently a doctor friend of mine informed me that it will wreck the kidneys and the liver. Vandal Sulfate is a cutting steroid which could cause your heart to explode. Stay away from this crap! You need old fashioned hard work and a gallon of milk a day plus a tone of red meat and eggs. Do your squats and drink your milk. Remember steroids are for losers.
really, creatine is a steroid? you might want to get your facts straight.
Creatine is naturally produced in the human body from amino acids primarily in the kidney and liver. It is transported in the blood for use by muscles. Approximately 95% of the human body's total creatine is located in skeletal muscle.[2]
Creatine is not an essential nutrient, as it is manufactured in the human body from L-arginine, glycine, and L-methionine.[3]
In humans and animals, approximately half of stored creatine originates from food (mainly from meat). Since vegetables do not contain creatine, vegetarians show lower levels of muscle creatine, but show the same levels after using supplements.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatine
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Creatine was the very thing that highlighted I had only 1 workiong kidney. Put me in hospital after 3 weeks.
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Creatine is garbage!
I beg to differ.
I started using creatine monohydrate again about two weeks ago after not using it for over five years - the strength gains I've had in the gym in that time have been very noticeable - been using 25g a day every day for the last two weeks. It's the only supplement I'm taking in addition to NO-Xplode and whey protein. Another thing I've noticed is that my concentration levels are better, not just in the gym, but at home and at work. It's good stuff. Obviously I'm not expecting the improvements to last forever and I'm going to start tapering down soon to about 5-10 grams a day just to maintain and save a bit of money but I do recommend it.
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Well only one working now they do not know if the creatine caused it or exaccerbated it or just highlighted it but they said there was a build up of crap and mush in my kidney.
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Taking Creatine, Vandal Sulfate or other mild, store bought steroids? Think you're beating the system? Guess again. Creatine is a very mild steroid used for bulking. Recently a doctor friend of mine informed me that it will wreck the kidneys and the liver. Vandal Sulfate is a cutting steroid which could cause your heart to explode. Stay away from this crap! You need old fashioned hard work and a gallon of milk a day plus a tone of red meat and eggs. Do your squats and drink your milk. Remember steroids are for losers.
Let me guess, this is based on your Dr friend reading 1 study where 1 out of 5000 people using Vandyl and this 1 individual had his heart explode??!! What was overlooked was that fact that perhaps this person had a fatty diet, high cholesterol, basically a weak heart and because he was taking a relatively unknown product this was definitely the cause.
Remember sherlock, any published review has some sort of bias...
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>:(
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Well.... Only supplement that actually does something. You can tell the difference when on creatine and when off. So I wouldn't call it exactly garbage...
The only think creatine does to you is to give you diarrhea!
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well that does it, I am throwing out the Vit C, my hearts is not going to blow up!
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Phew, I'm glad to read these strong warnings about dangerous supplements. I think I'll just stick to black coffee and a little amphetamine for pep here and there.
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The only think creatine does to you is to give you diarrhea!
If you are getting diarrhea, means you are saturated......cut ur dosage
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I'm guessing Lex is old school, which can be good in a lot of ways. Old school did pave the way for modern BB'ing. But his post about Creatine is misleading at best (#1..not a steroid). Also guessing that Lex is an older gentlemen. Recent testing suggest (no, don't have any grant studies at hand to refer to) is that Creatine has given benefits to older men and women, exercising or not. Keeping the strength and muscle mass up to reasonable levels, as strength and muscle mass is lost as we all age. Cycling Creatine, and drinking more water than usual ,seems to work well for the elderly.
Creatine helps athletes in performance with stamina (endurance & strength) increases. Most GB'ers know the advantage of using Creatine Monohydate (other types of Creatine, though less affective) for a boost in all around gains. Only draw back might be that with steady use, the body tends to hold water, giving some BB'ers a puffy or soft look. Cycling Creatine can be an important factor in it's use.
Sooner, rather than later, the government will put a ban on Creatine. They are still talking about wanting to ban all vitamins and aspirin. Aspirin is the cheapest wonder drug on the market right now and all us common folk can get it any time we want.
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Cycling Creatine can be an important factor in it's use.
Could you please expand upon this? Or maybe you have a good link regarding it?
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The only think creatine does to you is to give you diarrhea!
I remember way back when creatine was just introduced. I loaded up and my best bench went from 1x300lbs to 5x300lbs in a few weeks. Could have been suggestion?