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Source: LA Times
Presidential contender Newt Gingrich took a potshot Sunday at Republican House Budget Chairman Paul D. Ryan’s proposal to reform Medicare, becoming the most prominent Republican to distance himself from the plan.
Ryan's proposal, which was passed by the GOP-controlled House in April, would have people 54 and younger choose from a list of coverage options and have Medicare make “premium-support payments” to the plan they chose.
I don’t think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering,” Gingrich scoffed in an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press."
House Republicans, including Speaker John A. Boehner, have stood behind Ryan's plan, which was the subject of fierce debate at town-hall meetings nationwide. Other Republican presidential contenders have praised Ryan's political courage without going so far as to endorse the budget blueprint.
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Gingrich: I oppose Paul Ryan’s Medicare reform but support a “variation” of the individual mandate
Says Andrew Stiles of NRO, “Newt Gingrich’s appearance on ‘Meet the Press’ today could leave some wondering which party’s nomination he is running for.” DrewM at Ace’s site thinks it’s yet another illustration of Newt’s loose-cannon lack of message discipline, but I can’t believe that; he surely must have considered how this will play in the primaries, especially after the pounding Romney just took on the right for his health-care speech. What’s his strategy? Maybe he’s decided his shot at the nomination is so long that his only chance is by Mediscaring seniors, who famously turn out in high numbers at the polls, into backing him. Paul Ryan’s budget has played remarkably well with the 65+ crowd thus far, but an AP poll taken late last year, before he introduced his plan, found even Republican seniors opposed privatizing Medicare to the tune of 71 percent. If professional Smart Guy Newt Gingrich is now warning them that Ryan’s gone too far, their jitters about reform may make them inclined to believe him. It’s desperate, but since he’s not going to win with support from the GOP’s right, why not pander to its left? I just hope he’s prepared for the relentless beating he’ll rightly take in conservative media for kneecapping Ryan at a moment when deficit hawks are frantic to move national opinion on entitlement reform via a unified party message. He’s handed the left a campaign commercial here and they’re already using it.
As for his point about mandates, Gregory’s question was presumably inspired by this recent HuffPo piece. Here was Newt’s chance to climb down from his previous Romney-ish rhetoric about our individual duty to buy coverage. But … nope. He’s still all for it — not for a mandate specifically, mind you, but for variations on it, like having to post a bond. What his strategy in the primaries is in taking that position, I have no idea. If anything, it gives Romney a bit of cover by now being able to claim (a) that the mandate isn’t as fringe as conservatives would like to believe and (b) that Mitt’s the more responsible of the two since at least he doesn’t want anything like this at the federal level. Any theories on what Gingrich was thinking here? I’m mystified.
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FUNG!!!!!
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mEH, Newt isnt getting my vote. I really wish he had stayed out of the race. Those that dont have much of a chance should stay out.
For those who oppose Ryan's plan, what is thier alternative? I think its a great plan. Its about as progressive as reality will allow, and it puts paitents more in control. I guess I can undestand people attacking it from the right, but those attacking it from the left need to get thier heads out of thier asses.
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mEH, Newt isnt getting my vote. I really wish he had stayed out of the race. Those that dont have much of a chance should stay out.
For those who oppose Ryan's plan, what is thier alternative? I think its a great plan. Its about as progressive as reality will allow, and it puts paitents more in control. I guess I can undestand people attacking it from the right, but those attacking it from the left need to get thier heads out of thier asses.
That means all of the GOP must stay home then. :D
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That means all of the GOP must stay home then. :D
:)
You should atleast start admitting to yourself that Obama is going to have a much tougher time with this one. The electoral map looks very good for the Republicans.
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A paper bag will beat obama next year.
He has a horrible record and can't just blame bush anymore.
He only won by six points last and is a ton less popular than before.
With the economy still in the toilet and gas prices high, he is done. Only strong support he will have is from blacks, govt workers, gays, guilt ridden whites, and frinhe groups.
He has a disastrous record and everything he has touched has turned to shit.
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A paper bag will beat obama next year.
He has a horrible record and can't just blame bush anymore.
He only won by six points last and is a ton less popular than before.
With the economy still in the toilet and gas prices high, he is done. Only strong support he will have is from blacks, govt workers, gays, guilt ridden whites, and frinhe groups.
He has a disastrous record and everything he has touched has turned to shit.
That's a lot of people.
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Independents decide elections and Obama has been bleeding them for a while now. 240 and his butt buddies Pelosi and Reid can brag about Obama's approval rating staying above 40% but at the end of the day it's not the 40% that always vote Dem or the 40% that always vote Repub that decide elections.
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Shit. I'm the group that decides?
We are fucked.
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Shit. I'm the group that decides?
We are fucked.
Just vote for "paper bag" and we will be better off than if obama gets a second term.
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Just vote for "paper bag" and we will be better off than if obama gets a second term.
Possibly. But paperbag won't count against anyone and it creates work for people.
Did you know that every vote must be tallied. Even if its for imaginary creatures like Mickey Mouse.
If the Republicans find someone who doesn't suck. I'd vote for them. At present though. Most Republican candidates suck ass.
Why is it only the kooks run for Office?
Is there no normal people in either party anymore?
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Possibly. But paperbag won't count against anyone and it creates work for people.
Did you know that every vote must be tallied. Even if its for imaginary creatures like Mickey Mouse.
If the Republicans find someone who doesn't suck. I'd vote for them. At present though. Most Republican candidates suck ass.
Why is it only the kooks run for Office?
Is there no normal people in either party anymore?
Personally I want to see Christie/Rubio or Christe/West or something like that.
I also would be thrilled with Cain/West, or Bachmann/West or some combo of the above.
At least Huck is out. I can see voting for Daniels. Ron Paul, who i like a ton, scares off too many people to get elected nationally. His son Rand would have a better chance at winning in 2012 IMHO.
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You should atleast start admitting to yourself that Obama is going to have a much tougher time with this one. The electoral map looks very good for the Republicans.
Really? Because all I have seen so far is all the GOP candidates seem to be VP material. Not a single one of them stands out from the pack well enough to fill the leading role.
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Really? Because all I have seen so far is all the GOP candidates seem to be VP material. Not a single one of them stands out from the pack well enough to fill the leading role.
Yeah, we haven't seen a Jeb or Christie or someone with that "oh shit!" factor. In 2008, it was Rudy who had that - someone who you just looked at and said "oh yeah, he's gonna be president".
I look at this group - it's hard to say "oh yeah, I can picture West taking the oath". Mitt maybe? RPaul I wish.
Pat buchannan - who republicans love - said this morning that Huck did the math and realized he probably won't beat obama. He said that is why most are sitting out. It's what I've been saying for a while. I guess Buchannan's a lib now too, huh? Facts are facts, sadly.
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Yeah, we haven't seen a Jeb or Christie or someone with that "oh shit!" factor. In 2008, it was Rudy who had that - someone who you just looked at and said "oh yeah, he's gonna be president".
I look at this group - it's hard to say "oh yeah, I can picture West taking the oath". Mitt maybe? RPaul I wish.
Pat buchannan - who republicans love - said this morning that Huck did the math and realized he probably won't beat obama. He said that is why most are sitting out. It's what I've been saying for a while. I guess Buchannan's a lib now too, huh? Facts are facts, sadly.
ha ha ha ha - you were the same guy who thought Crist would be the 2012 GOP nominee.
By next year - if things stay the same or get worse as they probably will, your messiah is gone, thankfully.
and again - please tell me what exactly Obama wants with a second term?
Amnesty for illegals
Cap & Trade
Kagans on the court etc
? ? ?
Why would anyone vote for this asshole again with his horrible record as well as his plans for the future?
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ha ha ha ha - you were the same guy who thought Crist would be the 2012 GOP nominee.
LOL! Youre wrong about shit about 20x more than I am. Where are your threads celebrating obamacare being defeated? lol
I would love to see obama lose in 2012. What I'm saying - and buchannan is saying too - is that an incumbent obama might be really tough to beat. Any republican that LOSES in 2012 is political toast. if you can't beat Obama in a depression and 2-3 losing wars, you suck.
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LOL! Youre wrong about shit about 20x more than I am. Where are your threads celebrating obamacare being defeated? lol
I would love to see obama lose in 2012. What I'm saying - and buchannan is saying too - is that an incumbent obama might be really tough to beat. Any republican that LOSES in 2012 is political toast. if you can't beat Obama in a depression and 2-3 losing wars, you suck.
50% of this nation are not affected by bad economic times.
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50% of this nation are not affected by bad economic times.
Translation - obama has created a situation where 50.1% of the population don't mind that we're in a depression.
Morally corrupt, but politically smart. I wish repubs would point this out instead of screaming about birth certificates and college records.
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Translation - obama has created a situation where 50.1% of the population don't mind that we're in a depression.
Morally corrupt, but politically smart. I wish repubs would point this out instead of screaming about birth certificates and college records.
Part of those 50.1% are the geezers screaming "keep the govt out of medicare" who might vote for the GOP.
Totally depressing how juvenile the public debate is when really it is basic math that should be driving the decisions.
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Part of those 50.1% are the geezers screaming "keep the govt out of medicare" who might vote for the GOP.
Totally depressing how juvenile the public debate is when really it is basic math that should be driving the decisions.
agreed. LOL @ Keep the govt out of medicare!
If you had no dog in this fight - if you were a martian just watching it all - you'd probably be amused that Obama is able to pull off such a stunt. get 45% of the population to pay for the other 55%. Brilliant.
AND - you get the working 45% to spend their days arguing about birth certificates and christmas decorations instead of the plot you're pulling off ;)
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Translation - obama has created a situation where 50.1% of the population don't mind that we're in a depression.
Morally corrupt, but politically smart. I wish repubs would point this out instead of screaming about birth certificates and college records.
Please name the republicans screaming about birth certificates. Who? Trump? Last time I checked, Trump was calling Bush the worst president ever until 2 years into Obama's presidency. Do you actually think Trump has any chance?
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Please name the republicans screaming about birth certificates. Who? Trump? Last time I checked, Trump was calling Bush the worst president ever until 2 years into Obama's presidency. Do you actually think Trump has any chance?
Trump. Also, bachmann, palin and others have offered coy support of an investigation into it. huck bringing up the kenyan thing. Newt too. Mitt and T-paw were the only two major canddiates to steer clear of it altogether.
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Trump. Also, bachmann, palin and others have offered coy support of an investigation into it. huck bringing up the kenyan thing. Newt too. Mitt and T-paw were the only two major canddiates to steer clear of it altogether.
You yourself are a birther no?
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You yourself are a birther no?
of course.
but I know that the only thing that matters is the PERCEPTION - not the truth.
Doesn't matter if you're right - it only matters what the masses think.
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of course.
but I know that the only thing that matters is the PERCEPTION - not the truth.
Doesn't matter if you're right - it only matters what the masses think.
Didnt stop you from tossing 911 CT's around left and right no?
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Trump. Also, bachmann, palin and others have offered coy support of an investigation into it. huck bringing up the kenyan thing. Newt too. Mitt and T-paw were the only two major canddiates to steer clear of it altogether.
"COY SUPPORT"...In other words they said nothing. Palin is not running. What did Huck say? Huck also is not running. Newt was never a favorite to win the nomination.
Mitt, Pawlenty and Newt are the only ones that we know so far that are running and the 2 who have cleared from it have a good chance of winning.
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Possibly. But paperbag won't count against anyone and it creates work for people.
Did you know that every vote must be tallied. Even if its for imaginary creatures like Mickey Mouse.
If the Republicans find someone who doesn't suck. I'd vote for them. At present though. Most Republican candidates suck ass.
Why is it only the kooks run for Office?
Is there no normal people in either party anymore?
What? What the hell is your problem with ROmney, Pawlenty, Huntsman, and Daniels? Your'e telling me thekyre not normal? I can see why conservative crybabys who stone anybody that isnt Reagan would not like them, but what does an independent like you have against them? Take a look at their resumes. Compare them to Obama's pathetic record and pathetic resume. REally???
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Really? Because all I have seen so far is all the GOP candidates seem to be VP material. Not a single one of them stands out from the pack well enough to fill the leading role.
Romney, Pawlenty, Daniels, and Huntsman?? YOu must be joking. Either one would be the best Republican Candidate since possibly Reagan. Definately better than McCain.
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What? What the hell is your problem with ROmney, Pawlenty, Huntsman, and Daniels? Your'e telling me thekyre not normal? I can see why conservative crybabys who stone anybody that isnt Reagan would not like them, but what does an independent like you have against them? Take a look at their resumes. Compare them to Obama's pathetic record and pathetic resume. REally???
Romney? I'm on the Obamacare tick with that...
Pawlenty? I don't like his stance on crime... He likes to jail people too damn much.
Huntsman? ok on energy, but hasn't really gone on the record for much else.
Daniels? Won't come out for campaign finance reform... He likes no money limits.
That's just a few things those guys irritate me about... No one's perfect I guess.
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Here is the way Karl ROve breaks down the electoral math:
THe Republicans have already closed the gap from 2008 by 14 electoral votes because of reapportionment through the census.
Indiana, Virginia, and North Carolina are traditional Republican states that OBama barely won in 2008. Before that, the last time a Democrat won those states was in the 60s and 70s. He wont win them this time. That's something like 39 electoral votes.
Florida and Ohio will be the two crucial states. They are worth many electoral votes. THey both went red in 2004 and then blue in 2008. Remember that the Dems got slaughtered in Florida in 2010. If the Republican Candidate can win both these states, he only needs one of 9 other battleground states to win the election. The other battleground states include New Hampshire, where Romeny is currently leading OBama, they also include New Mexico, Colorado, Pennsylvania, .