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Besides tendon placement and other structural differences, is a gorilla so powerful (versus a man) due to the much larger amount of testosterone he has?
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Are you planning to suck sum' of gorilla test straight from the pipe :o :-X
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Are you planning to suck sum' of gorilla test straight from the pipe :o :-X
translation: I'm too fucking stupid to answer the question.
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translation: I'm too fucking stupid to answer the question.
I don't think so, you could give a human all the test in the world and we're just not the same as a gorilla genetically.
They turn all this vegetation and shit they eat into muscle... That's not happening with humans....
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Besides tendon placement and other structural differences, is a gorilla so powerful (versus a man) due to the much larger amount of testosterone he has?
Simplest answer: different spieces.
Gorillas have never been observed to eat meat (unlike chimps) so it is just a wonder of evolution.
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Epic replying to your own post and forgetting to log out of your gay ass gimmick.
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Epic replying to your own post and forgetting to log out of your gay ass gimmick.
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I don't think so, you could give a human all the test in the world and we're just not the same as a gorilla genetically.
They turn all this vegetation and shit they eat into muscle... That's not happening with humans....
Yes, this is what I was thinking. The fact that they're basically vegetarian makes it even weirder.
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Simplest answer: different spieces.
Gorillas have never been observed to eat meat (unlike chimps) so it is just a wonder of evolution.
I think they've coaxed some captive gorillas to eat meat, but I get what you're saying. A "wonder of evolution" about sums it up.
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Yes, this is what I was thinking. The fact that they're basically vegetarian makes it even weirder.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Primate-strength.htm
The first thing to bear in mind is that there a vegetarian diet contains all the basic components of a meat diet, apart from a few nutrients, such as vitamin B12 and folate. This means that an ape can build up the same muscles and strength from a vegetarian diet as from a meat one. I have not read anywhere that chimpanzees, or humans, with a mainly vegetarian diet are any weaker than those with a meat diet. The main difference is that meat is generally easier to break down than vegetation and that meat eaters need to spend less time feeding than vegetarians, but if the apes are relatively safe, spending a few hours feeding and digesting food, rather than hunting or resting, need not afect the accumulation of muscle tissue.
The other thing to consider is that it can take less time for a vegetarian to find food. For example a leaf eater in a tree doesn't have to go far to find food, assuming that it is able to digest the leaves of the tree it is in (and it would be a poorly adapted leaf eater to inhabit trees when it couldn't process the leaves). A meat eater may use up a lot of energy obtaining food. It seems that most of the hunts of a big cat are unsuccessful, so that means a lot of energy being used before it can be replaced from food. Cheetahs, for example, may use up a lot of energy in unsucessful hunts and, when they are successful, may have their fiood stolen from them. In order to build up muscles and strength, the energy obtained from food must exceed the energy expended on obtaining that food. It doesn't seem that a vegetarian diet has adversely affected the strength of apes.
The other thing to consider is where the muscles are concentrated. Chimpanzees, gorillas and orang-utans have very strong arms and relatively weak legs. Compared to humans, anthropoid apes are top heavy and use their arms to support their weight when moving. Humans concentrate more of their muscle weight in their legs and so, compared to anthropoid apes, have relatively weak arms. When scientists talk about the strength of apes, they are really referring to the strong arms and the well-developed chests, compared to humans. Jim Kakalios says that the arms of apes are developed for specific tasks, many of which involve strength, while human hands are developed for a wider range of skills as humans do not use their hands when walking.
I don't know if anyone has compared the legs, but I guess that humans have stronger leg muscles than the anthropoid apes, which have stockier legs, with the muscles concentrated in a smaller area. A human could still support his or her body weight with one foot on the ground and both arms in the air, while kicking out at an opponent. If an anthropoid ape tried to do this, I think it would stand a great risk of falling over. If this is so, I think that humans would probably be better at kick boxing and similar sports than anthropoid apes
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translation: I'm too fucking stupid to answer the question.
lol.
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Besides tendon placement and other structural differences, is a gorilla so powerful (versus a man) due to the much larger amount of testosterone he has?
Considering the gorilla resemblance to current bodybuilders I think that might be due larger amount of growth hormone rather than testosterone! ;D
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lol.
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Admit it, you loled a little too.
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Admit it, you loled a little too.
Oh, fuk it... I did ;D
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Considering the gorilla resemblance to current bodybuilders I think that might be due larger amount of growth hormone rather than testosterone! ;D
Seriously, good point...and maybe some insulona?
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Admit it, you loled a little too.
:) I'd forgotten about that. Now I just shamelessly lol'ed at myself.
Sorry, mass243. I was so perplexed at my own question it was making me angry. >:(
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http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Primate-strength.htm
The first thing to bear in mind is that there a vegetarian diet contains all the basic components of a meat diet, apart from a few nutrients, such as vitamin B12 and folate. This means that an ape can build up the same muscles and strength from a vegetarian diet as from a meat one. I have not read anywhere that chimpanzees, or humans, with a mainly vegetarian diet are any weaker than those with a meat diet.
This is a good one. Maybe with people that don't use weight, I suppose the differences may not be much. Never really though about it, but now it makes me wonder. ???
With people who train, though, there must be a difference. Say with twins or whatever, all other things equal, wouldn't the meat eater be far more progressed? Fuck, for all I know it's been a myth. Funny how something so basic could remain unclear.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Primate-strength.htm
The other thing to consider is that it can take less time for a vegetarian to find food. For example a leaf eater in a tree doesn't have to go far to find food, assuming that it is able to digest the leaves of the tree it is in (and it would be a poorly adapted leaf eater to inhabit trees when it couldn't process the leaves).
This is another thing that gets me. With gorillas, it's all about vegetation etc. and not even bean protein. How in the hell does a gorilla or any other "leaf eater" get the amino acids needed for muscle?
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Primate-strength.htm
A meat eater may use up a lot of energy obtaining food. It seems that most of the hunts of a big cat are unsuccessful, so that means a lot of energy being used before it can be replaced from food. Cheetahs, for example, may use up a lot of energy in unsucessful hunts and, when they are successful, may have their fiood stolen from them. In order to build up muscles and strength, the energy obtained from food must exceed the energy expended on obtaining that food.
This is going to play a big part in it. No doubt about it.
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A 5'9" 450lb Silverback is stronger than an average 160lb man why you ask ???
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A 5'9" 450lb Silverback is stronger than an average 160lb man why you ask ???
"Stronger" is an understatement, for one thing. And he's also freakishly stronger than a 350lbs powerlifter, etc. Among other things, I'm asking about the role of testosterone in this.
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1 male Gorilla = strength of 6 men
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Are you planning to suck sum' of gorilla test straight from the pipe :o :-X
unfortunately, very hard to find the pipe---that's why gorillas always look so damn mad!
As far as the op question, look it up...gorillas have diff genetic makeup, diff skeletons and yes diff test levels. Also their mayostatin inhibitors maybe diff as well, letting them be more muscular. Like the Belguim Blue Cattle. Plus, i believe that they have to consume ALOT of veg. matter to truly feed their systems, just like a elephant has to feed a lot...If you look at the largest animals in the world, they feed on the most benign...Blue Whales feed on plankton...
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1 male Gorilla = strength of 6 men
Incredible. And you're talking about men - not "men".
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unfortunately, very hard to find the pipe---that's why gorillas always look so damn mad!
As far as the op question, look it up...gorillas have diff genetic makeup, diff skeletons and yes diff test levels. Also their maostatin inhibitors maybe diff as well, letting them be more muscular. Like the Belguim Blue Cattle. Plus, i believe that they have to consume ALOT of veg. matter to truly feed their systems, just like a elephant has to feed a lot...If you look at the largest animals in the world, they feed on the most benign...Blue Whales feed on plankton...
There you go.
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There you go.
Take a look at this Gaur http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaur), which is bigger than the extinct Aurochs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs) of Europe. How did it get so big and muscular from only grazing? And the fact that it is a undulate, which means it must regurgitate it's food and chew it again...letting it's 4 part stomach do the deed...The spend all day grazing---as veg. matter is poor in protein content.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJ96o-gfh40KJuXf6GNDy6BWEQaD5cZdwKtA2jNodEhD3btIo1AxOctg4H0g)
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(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJ96o-gfh40KJuXf6GNDy6BWEQaD5cZdwKtA2jNodEhD3btIo1AxOctg4H0g)
:o :o :o
I'm liking the idea about myostatin being non-functional in some animals. It really explains things.
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Besides tendon placement and other structural differences, is a gorilla so powerful (versus a man) due to the much larger amount of testosterone he has?
How did I miss this thread? Gorillas are vastly stronger than Humans for several reasons:
- Their muscles are much larger in absolute terms.
- They have a much higher proportion of fast-twitch, type II muscle fibers, especially on their back muscles and arms.
- Their muscles process lactic acid much faster and more efficiently than Humans.
- Their muscles attach in the tendons in positions that maximize leverage, especially for pulling, whilts Human muscles attach to the bones in positions that maximize fine motor coordination. As a consequence, Humans can touch the center of their palms with their thumbs, which gorillas can't. Humans can write with a pen, whilst gorillas, even if they had the intelligence to learn how to write, would never be able to due to lack of ability to control the fingers with the precision that Humans can.
- Their tendons are four times thicker and several times denser than Humans, which allows them to hoist much bigger weights than Humans. An elite Human bencher can bench 750 lbs raw; a gorilla can hoist that weight with a single arm whilst using the other to hold itself to a tree branch, and then lift the weight to it's face. A strength that is several leagues above Human level.
- Gorillas lack the strong neurological inhibition that Humans have when it comes to exerting strength. Their brains are primed for generating extreme exertions of strength.
- Their adrenaline levels reach several times that of Humans when they are enraged, and adrenaline increases mobilization of muscle fibers. Even without adrenaline, though, they can exert 5 X the strength of a Human elite powerlifter and 10 X the power(strength X speed)
- Their bones are 10 X denser, which means that hoisting huge weights is less strssful for them than for Humans. A gorilla's wrist is so thick and dense that it can hoist 800 lbs, the same weight that takes a Human's entire skeleton to hoist.
- Gorilla strength has nothing to do with testosterone levels. Their testosterone levels are actually lower than Humans, since they are less sexually competitive and promiscuous than Humans.
It is important to point out that gorilla's strength advantage is mostly for pulling and bending, at which they are, according to the Discovery Channel, 20+ times superior to the average man. Most of their muscle mass in on the back and arms and not on the legs and chest as well as higher proportion of fast twitch type II muscle fibers, and their muscle attachments are designed to maximize the power of the back muscles and of the arms for pulling. At pushing, they are still much stronger than Humans but not crushingly so, because their absolute muscle mass, type of muscle fiber and tendon thickness garantees much greater strength even though their muscles do not enjoy better leverage than ours for pushing. For pushing a gorilla is probably only about 5 times stronger than an average men - which is still huge. In fact, on the bench press, a gorilla probably can't bench as much as Human bench champion because, besides their muscle being at a disadvantage for pushing, they have long arms which makes the amount of force required to move a weight in the bench press greater.....
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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LOL, how you know so much about gorillas, "sucky" ?
Why someone don't take a gorilla, shave it and ask a special invitation to Olympia? Would be sure success ;D
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Wouldn't it be cool if someone could train a gorilla to do a deadlift?
Actually I've just thought about it - gorillas arms would practically reach the floor even upright and so they wouldn't be able to pull that far so their range of motion although powerful would be incredibly limited - you'd have to get them to stand on a reinforced platform or something just so their leverage would be the same as humans.
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LOL, how you know so much about gorillas, "sucky" ?
Why someone don't take a gorilla, shave it and ask a special invitation to Olympia? Would be sure success ;D
Yeah, that would be taking it to the next level. 600 lbs with abs... ;D ;D ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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How did I miss this thread? Gorillas are vastly stronger than Humans for several reasons:
- Their muscles are much larger in absolute terms.
- They have a much higher proportion of fast-twitch, type II muscle fibers, especially on their back muscles and arms.
- Their muscles process lactic acid much faster and more efficiently than Humans.
- Their muscles attach in the tendons in positions that maximize leverage, especially for pulling, whilts Human muscles attach to the bones in positions that maximize fine motor coordination. As a consequence, Humans can touch the center of their palms with their thumbs, which gorillas can't. Humans can write with a pen, whilst gorillas, even if they had the intelligence to learn how to write, would never be able to due to lack of ability to control the fingers with the precision that Humans can.
- Their tendons are four times thicker and several times denser than Humans, which allows them to hoist much bigger weights than Humans. An elite Human bencher can bench 750 lbs raw; a gorilla can hoist that weight with a single arm whilst using the other to hold itself to a tree branch, and then lift the weight to it's face. A strength that is several leagues above Human level.
- Gorillas lack the strong neurological inhibition that Humans have when it comes to exerting strength. Their brains are primed for generating extreme exertions of strength.
- Their adrenaline levels reach several times that of Humans when they are enraged, and adrenaline increases mobilization of muscle fibers. Even without adrenaline, though, they can exert 5 X the strength of a Human elite powerlifter and 10 X the power(strength X speed)
- Their bones are 10 X denser, which means that hoisting huge weights is less strssful for them than for Humans. A gorilla's wrist is so thick and dense that it can hoist 800 lbs, the same weight that takes a Human's entire skeleton to hoist.
- Gorilla strength has nothing to do with testosterone levels. Their testosterone levels are actually lower than Humans, since they are less sexually competitive and promiscuous than Humans.
It is important to point out that gorilla's strength advantage is mostly for pulling and bending, at which they are, according to the Discovery Channel, 20+ times superior to the average man. Most of their muscle mass in on the back and arms and not on the legs and chest as well as higher proportion of fast twitch type II muscle fibers, and their muscle attachments are designed to maximize the power of the back muscles and of the arms for pulling. At pushing, they are still much stronger than Humans but not crushingly so, because their absolute muscle mass, type of muscle fiber and tendon thickness garantees much greater strength even though their muscles do not enjoy better leverage than ours for pushing. For pushing a gorilla is probably only about 5 times stronger than an average men - which is still huge. In fact, on the bench press, a gorilla probably can't bench as much as Human bench champion because, besides their muscle being at a disadvantage for pushing, they have long arms which makes the amount of force required to move a weight in the bench press greater.....
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Holy Shit - If this is for real, what a great response. Amazing that a gorilla actually has lower test than a human. I can't find anything that says otherwise, so I'll definitely take your word with the rest of the post.
Thanks, SMM. Great stuff.
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True alpha male...Eats, shoots and leaves
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LOL, how you know so much about gorillas, "sucky" ?
Why someone don't take a gorilla, shave it and ask a special invitation to Olympia? Would be sure success ;D
google.com, search
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google.com, search
Translation:
"Everyone who knows more than I do doesen't mean anything anyway because they just used search engines to find the information."
You are a jealous, spiteful bitch. Your argument is redundant because knowledge has always been available to everyone before the internet even existed - encyclopedias, etc. So what are you trying to prove? That people who know mroe than you do are not really smarter than you? Here's a newsflash for you: knowledge does correlate strongly with general intelligence, so all those people who make you feel inferior for knowing more than you do(such as myself) truly are smarter than you. :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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what he means is that the internet/cable revolution has made it easy for internet fantasists of limited means (like you) to act like they know something.
Translation:
"Everyone who knows more than I do doesen't mean anything anyway because they just used search engines to find the information."
You are a jealous, spiteful bitch. Your argument is redundant because knowledge has always been available to everyone before the internet even existed - encyclopedias, etc. So what are you trying to prove? That people who know mroe than you do are not really smarter than you? Here's a newsflash for you: knowledge does correlate strongly with general intelligence, so all those people who make you feel inferior for knowing more than you do(such as myself) truly are smarter than you. :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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what he means is that the internet/cable revolution has made it easy for internet fantasists of limited means (like you) to act like they know something.
Sure, "Clown". Because before the internet we didn't have encyclopedias and other means of acquiring information. The entire knowledge of Mankind is available online, dumbass. Going by your logic, a mathematician with a PhD who writes on an internet board about say, non-linear Lobashevsky geometry, deep down knows nothing because everything he just wrote can be found online. You can accuse him of just copying&pasting everything he wrote from google as well. You are a moron. No, you truly are.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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anybody who knows anything about anything wouldn't come off sounding like an idiot/SUCKMYMUSCLE. A crazy internet fantasist would sound like you though... Hope this helps. :)
Sure, "Clown". Because before the internet we didn't have encyclopedias and other means of acquiring information. The entire knowledge of Mankind is available online, dumbass. Going by your logic, a mathematician with a PhD who writes on an internet board about say, non-linear Lobashevsky geometry, deep down knows nothing because everything he just wrote can be found online. You can accuse him of just copying&pasting everything he wrote from google as well. You are a moron. No, you truly are.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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How did I miss this thread? Gorillas are vastly stronger than Humans for several reasons:
- Their muscles are much larger in absolute terms.
- They have a much higher proportion of fast-twitch, type II muscle fibers, especially on their back muscles and arms.
- Their muscles process lactic acid much faster and more efficiently than Humans.
- Their muscles attach in the tendons in positions that maximize leverage, especially for pulling, whilts Human muscles attach to the bones in positions that maximize fine motor coordination. As a consequence, Humans can touch the center of their palms with their thumbs, which gorillas can't. Humans can write with a pen, whilst gorillas, even if they had the intelligence to learn how to write, would never be able to due to lack of ability to control the fingers with the precision that Humans can.
- Their tendons are four times thicker and several times denser than Humans, which allows them to hoist much bigger weights than Humans. An elite Human bencher can bench 750 lbs raw; a gorilla can hoist that weight with a single arm whilst using the other to hold itself to a tree branch, and then lift the weight to it's face. A strength that is several leagues above Human level.
- Gorillas lack the strong neurological inhibition that Humans have when it comes to exerting strength. Their brains are primed for generating extreme exertions of strength.
- Their adrenaline levels reach several times that of Humans when they are enraged, and adrenaline increases mobilization of muscle fibers. Even without adrenaline, though, they can exert 5 X the strength of a Human elite powerlifter and 10 X the power(strength X speed)
- Their bones are 10 X denser, which means that hoisting huge weights is less strssful for them than for Humans. A gorilla's wrist is so thick and dense that it can hoist 800 lbs, the same weight that takes a Human's entire skeleton to hoist.
- Gorilla strength has nothing to do with testosterone levels. Their testosterone levels are actually lower than Humans, since they are less sexually competitive and promiscuous than Humans.
It is important to point out that gorilla's strength advantage is mostly for pulling and bending, at which they are, according to the Discovery Channel, 20+ times superior to the average man. Most of their muscle mass in on the back and arms and not on the legs and chest as well as higher proportion of fast twitch type II muscle fibers, and their muscle attachments are designed to maximize the power of the back muscles and of the arms for pulling. At pushing, they are still much stronger than Humans but not crushingly so, because their absolute muscle mass, type of muscle fiber and tendon thickness garantees much greater strength even though their muscles do not enjoy better leverage than ours for pushing. For pushing a gorilla is probably only about 5 times stronger than an average men - which is still huge. In fact, on the bench press, a gorilla probably can't bench as much as Human bench champion because, besides their muscle being at a disadvantage for pushing, they have long arms which makes the amount of force required to move a weight in the bench press greater.....
SUCKMYMUSCLE
what if a young boy could be safely raised by gorillas. Do you think he would be super strong seeing how he would have to keep up with his family
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Take a look at this Gaur http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaur), which is bigger than the extinct Aurochs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs) of Europe. How did it get so big and muscular from only grazing? And the fact that it is a undulate, which means it must regurgitate it's food and chew it again...letting it's 4 part stomach do the deed...The spend all day grazing---as veg. matter is poor in protein content.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJ96o-gfh40KJuXf6GNDy6BWEQaD5cZdwKtA2jNodEhD3btIo1AxOctg4H0g)
hahahaha....that Cow is definitely top 6 material
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hahahaha....that Cow is definitely top 6 material
I wonder if people realize that that hump on that "cow" is probably seven feet from the ground.
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I wonder if people realize that that hump on that "cow" is probably seven feet from the ground.
Not true I raise Belgian blues and they are about 5 1/2 fet at the shoulders
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Not true I raise Belgian blues and they are about 5 1/2 fet at the shoulders
that's no belgian blue in that picture.
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you would think someone who raised belgian blues would know that........
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I'm more into the Dutch blues. Makes me cry.
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all trenbolona
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How did I miss this thread? Gorillas are vastly stronger than Humans for several reasons:
- Their muscles are much larger in absolute terms.
- They have a much higher proportion of fast-twitch, type II muscle fibers, especially on their back muscles and arms.
- Their muscles process lactic acid much faster and more efficiently than Humans.
- Their muscles attach in the tendons in positions that maximize leverage, especially for pulling, whilts Human muscles attach to the bones in positions that maximize fine motor coordination. As a consequence, Humans can touch the center of their palms with their thumbs, which gorillas can't. Humans can write with a pen, whilst gorillas, even if they had the intelligence to learn how to write, would never be able to due to lack of ability to control the fingers with the precision that Humans can.
- Their tendons are four times thicker and several times denser than Humans, which allows them to hoist much bigger weights than Humans. An elite Human bencher can bench 750 lbs raw; a gorilla can hoist that weight with a single arm whilst using the other to hold itself to a tree branch, and then lift the weight to it's face. A strength that is several leagues above Human level.
- Gorillas lack the strong neurological inhibition that Humans have when it comes to exerting strength. Their brains are primed for generating extreme exertions of strength.
- Their adrenaline levels reach several times that of Humans when they are enraged, and adrenaline increases mobilization of muscle fibers. Even without adrenaline, though, they can exert 5 X the strength of a Human elite powerlifter and 10 X the power(strength X speed)
- Their bones are 10 X denser, which means that hoisting huge weights is less strssful for them than for Humans. A gorilla's wrist is so thick and dense that it can hoist 800 lbs, the same weight that takes a Human's entire skeleton to hoist.
- Gorilla strength has nothing to do with testosterone levels. Their testosterone levels are actually lower than Humans, since they are less sexually competitive and promiscuous than Humans.
It is important to point out that gorilla's strength advantage is mostly for pulling and bending, at which they are, according to the Discovery Channel, 20+ times superior to the average man. Most of their muscle mass in on the back and arms and not on the legs and chest as well as higher proportion of fast twitch type II muscle fibers, and their muscle attachments are designed to maximize the power of the back muscles and of the arms for pulling. At pushing, they are still much stronger than Humans but not crushingly so, because their absolute muscle mass, type of muscle fiber and tendon thickness garantees much greater strength even though their muscles do not enjoy better leverage than ours for pushing. For pushing a gorilla is probably only about 5 times stronger than an average men - which is still huge. In fact, on the bench press, a gorilla probably can't bench as much as Human bench champion because, besides their muscle being at a disadvantage for pushing, they have long arms which makes the amount of force required to move a weight in the bench press greater.....
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Thanks for the Info about Gorillas, Hindenburg Melanoma
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no... your so fucking stupid you asked the dumbass question to begin with.
translation: I'm too fucking stupid to answer the question.
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your so fucking stupid
Always goes down like this.
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Suck was a great poster