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That Leroy Davis in the background at 2:43 onwards training that guy on the leg extensions?
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I love how Dorian always likes to have people "get through his workout", as if its something groundbreaking.
I wondered this many times...
What if Ronnie for example put Dorian through his workouts in "The unbelievable video"? Could Dorian complete Ronnies workout successfuly?
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I love how Dorian always likes to have people "get through his workout", as if its something groundbreaking.
I wondered this many times...
What if Ronnie for example put Dorian through his workouts in "The unbelievable video"? Could Dorian complete Ronnies workout successfuly?
Dorian would tear another tricep, and then another bicep, and then a pec tear, then a lat tear...
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Dorian would tear another tricep, and then another bicep, and then a pec tear, then a lat tear...
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL !!!!!!
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His training with definetly more hardcore than that of his contemporaries at the time, but as Meso said, nothing special. He'd just push for one or two extra reps where the others would've given up. That's it. Ronnie trained equally as hard imo.
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I love how Dorian always likes to have people "get through his workout", as if its something groundbreaking.
I wondered this many times...
What if Ronnie for example put Dorian through his workouts in "The unbelievable video"? Could Dorian complete Ronnies workout successfuly?
Dorian is a firm believer in forced reps and controlled negatives, it was how he trained and its now how he trains others.
Please wonder more productively in the future, hope this helps.
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Dorian would tear another tricep, and then another bicep, and then a pec tear, then a lat tear...
99.9 % of people would training stupidly like Ronnie does - Dorian trains with correct form stretching and squeezing the muscle how it's meant to be done 8)
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99.9 % of people would training stupidly like Ronnie does - Dorian trains with correct form stretching and squeezing the muscle how it's meant to be done 8)
I concur .
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99.9 % of people would training stupidly like Ronnie does - Dorian trains with correct form stretching and squeezing the muscle how it's meant to be done 8)
yup yup, always like Dorian
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I love how Dorian always likes to have people "get through his workout", as if its something groundbreaking.
I wondered this many times...
What if Ronnie for example put Dorian through his workouts in "The unbelievable video"? Could Dorian complete Ronnies workout successfuly?
Id imagine anyone whos into lifting could do Ronnies workout with weights relative to their own strength.That was nothing 'groundbreaking' either.Deadlifts, rows and lat pulldowns for back.Your average gym rat whos not a pussy does that. ::)
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Dorian would tear another tricep, and then another bicep, and then a pec tear, then a lat tear...
He would be in tears plus he wouldn't have enough stamina.
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That Leroy Davis in the background at 2:43 onwards training that guy on the leg extensions?
yes
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what happened to the "Dorian yates approved" brand?....anybody knows?
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what happened to the "Dorian yates approved" brand?....anybody knows?
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lol....I have not see dorian and his Brand anywhere near any Expos this year.......
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I think the name changed to Yates Nutrition or something like that...
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I hope he prosper.
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if evan learns form this it is not good for his competition. evan with a yates type back will kill (yes we know he needs a little more chest too).
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His training with definetly more hardcore than that of his contemporaries at the time, but as Meso said, nothing special. He'd just push for one or two extra reps where the others would've given up. That's it. Ronnie trained equally as hard imo.
It was more than 1-2 additional reps. He went from positive failure to forced reps to controlled negative failure. It's brutal. But, I agree that Ronnie trained like a beast as well, just with a different methodology.
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could Yates do a ronnie session? could ronnie do a Yates session? who cares?
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what happened to the "Dorian yates approved" brand?....anybody knows?
Yates sold the company to CNP nutrition. We use the pre-workout from them (ProGF). A lot of athletes from the Europe use the products. The do have a distributor here in So. Cal (Vernon).
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chemical nutrition became yates aproved, which turned into cnp
yates own brand is good quality stuff too... a bit too pricey for me tho
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Those Dorian Aproved Peptides were awesome back in the day
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I ought to try his stuff and see
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What if Ronnie for example put Dorian through his workouts in "The unbelievable video"? Could Dorian complete Ronnies workout successfuly?
No, because Dorian didn't have Ronnie's strength so he could never lift the poundages that Ronnie could - except on back exercises at which Dorian and Ronnie were roughly as strong. But weights and intensity are two different things. A powerlifter can bench 750 lbs raw for a single after doing 6 light warmup sets where he stops three reps short of failure and rests 6 minutes between sets, and that is not an intense workout. Dorian would take each set past failure with perfect form and rest no more than 40 seconds between sets. Ronnie was stronger, but he probably couldn't handle Dorian's style of training for very long. Ronnie in fact loved to do drop sets and other techniques that allow you to keep training whilst decreasing intensity.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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assisted tricep pressdowns what will they think of next. why not just use what you can handle in a controlled manner. the roids will do the rest.
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No, because Dorian didn't have Ronnie's strength so he could never lift the poundages that Ronnie could - except on back exercises at which Dorian and Ronnie were roughly as strong. But weights and intensity are two different things. A powerlifter can bench 750 lbs raw for a single after doing 6 light warmup sets where he stops three reps short of failure and rests 6 minutes between sets, and that is not an intense workout. Dorian would take each set past failure with perfect form and rest no more than 40 seconds between sets. Ronnie was stronger, but he probably couldn't handle Dorian's style of training for very long. Ronnie in fact loved to do drop sets and other techniques that allow you to keep training whilst decreasing intensity.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You like to exaggerate numbers don't you?
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You like to exaggerate numbers don't you?
What do you mean? I am not a powerlifter and I don't follow it, but I am assuming the raw World bench press record is around 750 to 800 lbs. I just used that as an example that training with huge weights and training intensely are not the same thing.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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What do you mean? I am not a powerlifter and I don't follow it, but I am assuming the raw World bench press record is around 750 to 800 lbs. I just used that as an example that training with huge weights and training intensely are not the same thing.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I agree with this
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No, because Dorian didn't have Ronnie's strength so he could never lift the poundages that Ronnie could - except on back exercises at which Dorian and Ronnie were roughly as strong. But weights and intensity are two different things. A powerlifter can bench 750 lbs raw for a single after doing 6 light warmup sets where he stops three reps short of failure and rests 6 minutes between sets, and that is not an intense workout. Dorian would take each set past failure with perfect form and rest no more than 40 seconds between sets. Ronnie was stronger, but he probably couldn't handle Dorian's style of training for very long. Ronnie in fact loved to do drop sets and other techniques that allow you to keep training whilst decreasing intensity.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
lets do this again. yates would tear shit working out with ronnie. ronnie would have little trouble with volume, given he'd use lighter weights like yates. on the other hand, yates would tear shit doing 2500 presses, 800lb squats (suit or not), etc. I wouldn't be surprise if yates passed out in the 100+ heat in arlington.
ronnie could do this all day long in wet and cool merry england, but what about yates on a 110 degree day in arlington?
both are GREAT, better than Culter ::)
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Believe me, Dorian is right when he says the weights are heavier at Temple, they really are!
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Ronnies a better trainer
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Ronnie could handle dorians workout, Dorian cant hang with Ronnie. I think at first Ronnie would have a tough time with the negatives and forced reps, but he would adjust.
Dorian would never be able to move the weight Ronnie did
Fuck this "adjusting the weights" bullshit. If someone challenges me to do their workout, and i can't do exactly what they do....i can't do the workout, plain and simple.
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lets do this again. yates would tear shit working out with ronnie. ronnie would have little trouble with volume, given he'd use lighter weights like yates. on the other hand, yates would tear shit doing 2500 presses, 800lb squats (suit or not), etc. I wouldn't be surprise if yates passed out in the 100+ heat in arlington.
ronnie could do this all day long in wet and cool merry england, but what about yates on a 110 degree day in arlington?
both are GREAT, better than Culter
What the fuck are you talking about? Volume? Dorian did less volume than Ronnie, not more. I am talking about intensity, which is defined by how far you take your training efforts - how far you take each set. Dorian took each set past failure, which Ronnie didn't. Understand? Probably not.
And no shit Dorian would tear muscles if he tried to use Ronnie's weights, as his tendons and ligaments couldn't support those weights and they would tear. But guess what? Ronnie would also tear his muscles if he used weights no higher than Dorian's but pushed each set past failure with forced reps and negatives like Dorian did. You risk as much injury benching 400 lbs for 8 super-strict reps and then 3 forces ones and 2 negative-only after that as you do from benching 500 lbs for 4 sloppy reps with spotters and stoping before failure like Ronnie did.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian would tear another tricep, and then another bicep, and then a pec tear, then a lat tear...
Maybe... I'd say he'd gas before he could tear anything but with Dorian you never know.
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Ronnie could handle dorians workout, Dorian cant hang with Ronnie. I think at first Ronnie would have a tough time with the negatives and forced reps, but he would adjust.
Dorian would never be able to move the weight Ronnie did
Fuck this "adjusting the weights" bullshit. If someone challenges me to do their workout, and i can't do exactly what they do....i can't do the workout, plain and simple.
No, he couldn't. Why the fuck can't you morons understand this? Ronnie trained heavier; Dorian trained harder. Heavier does noT = harder. I am trying to make this simple for you guys to understand. A guy who benches 400 lbs to failure for six reps, then those 3 forced reps after that and then 2 negative-only reps after that is risking tearing his pecs as much or more than a guy who does a single for 750 lbs. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand? :-\ :-\ :-\
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No, he couldn't. Why the fuck can't you morons understand this? Ronnie trained heavier; Dorian trained harder. Heavier does noT = harder. I am trying to make this simple for you guys to understand. A guy who benches 400 lbs to failure for six reps, then those 3 forced reps after that and then 2 negative-only reps after that is risking tearing his pecs as much or more than a guy who does a single for 750 lbs. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand? :-\ :-\ :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yes he could because he is stronger...using Dorians pussy weights he would breeze through it.
Dorian could never in a million years move the weight Ronnie did
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What the fuck are you talking about? Volume? Dorian did less volume than Ronnie, not more. I am talking about intensity, which is defined by how far you take your training efforts - how far you take each set. Dorian took each set past failure, which Ronnie didn't. Understand? Probably not.
And no shit Dorian would tear muscles if he tried to use Ronnie's weights, as his tendons and ligaments couldn't support those weights and they would tear. But guess what? Ronnie would also tear his muscles if he used weights no higher than Dorian's but pushed each set past failure with forced reps and negatives like Dorian did. You risk as much injury benching 400 lbs for 8 super-strict reps and then 3 forces ones and 2 negative-only after that as you do from benching 500 lbs for 4 sloppy reps with spotters and stoping before failure like Ronnie did.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Dorian trained like a bitch. He was weak for his size. Big fucking deal, he made some faces the last few reps because he was weak. Ronnie would laugh as he was doing 20 reps with the weight Dorian had to kill himself to get 8 with
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good post Musclecenter. Dorian and Temple video's are great, plus Evan is cool. Side note, occasionally I do the pullover machine, and I do them underhand, cuz that's how Dorian does them! lol. I never see anyone even use this dinosaur piece of equipment. Do any of you?
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A powerlifter can bench 750 lbs raw for a single after doing 6 light warmup sets where he stops three reps short of failure and rests 6 minutes between sets, and that is not an intense workout.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Don't know much, do you? ...
a) The raw record, as it stands, is 715, by Scot Mendelson. And the pause for this lift (Coan gave the call) is HIGHLY questionable. However, 715 bench press raw is RIDICULOUS. Scot wants to re-set his mark in the very near future.
b) There are several ways to increase intensity. Using heavier resistance is one.
c) You admit you're not a powerlifter. If you ever had been, and a succcessful one at that, you would NOT talk the crap you do. A top-flight powerlifter's training sessions are EVERY bit as intense as those of a bodybuilder. In a different way, sure, but no less difficult and intense.
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I love how Dorian always likes to have people "get through his workout", as if its something groundbreaking.
dumb mentality dorian had those lats because of his genetics... what he is doing isnt groundbreaking.... but bbers are weak minded folk... and always think .... there is more to working out than there is ..... it all comes down to genes dorian could tran arms from now till eternity he can never have arms like evans... why genetics....
thats why i respect ronnie just go in the gym and lift the fucking weight it not rocket science
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I am a fan of Dorian the bodybuilder ... and I have spoken with the man several times. Friendly dude.
However, to think what the man does in a workout is a main reason for what he achieved is ignorant. Dude knows how to train for bodybuilding, yes. And he was intense and hardcore. But most of what he became is the result of genetics and drugs.
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I am a fan of Dorian the bodybuilder ... and I have spoken with the man several times. Friendly dude.
However, to think what the man does in a workout is a main reason for what he achieved is ignorant. Dude knows how to train for bodybuilding, yes. And he was intense and hardcore. But most of what he became is the result of genetics and drugs.
Thank You....the guy was dry and dense in his first contest, it's fucking genetics. His workouts are nothing innovative. I've done negatives...forced reps...drop sets...you name it. Any person who has been in this game for a while has done it all. Like he has the "magic' workout that gives you an insane back....fucking nonsense. ::)
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assisted tricep pressdowns what will they think of next. why not just use what you can handle in a controlled manner. the roids will do the rest.
That's a pullover, moron. And Dorian is pushing it down the last few reps so that Evan can go to failure on the negative portion of the movement.
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evan's arms look HUGE :o
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99.9 % of people would training stupidly like Ronnie does - Dorian trains with correct form stretching and squeezing the muscle how it's meant to be done 8)
ronnie didnt have the form dorian did, but ronnie knew how to back off, dorian didnt.
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ronnie didnt have the form dorian did, but ronnie knew how to back off, dorian didnt.
Form means jack shit to a serious bodybuilder...it's all about putting the belly of the muscle under stress, and contraction.
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Form means jack shit to a serious bodybuilder...it's all about putting the belly of the muscle under stress, and contraction.
absolutely but you cant work the belly of the muscle effeciently without good form. if you overload yourself with weight then you can work the target muscle even with bad form, but then your probably going to overtrain/undertrain.
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Dorian trained like a bitch. He was weak for his size. Big fucking deal, he made some faces the last few reps because he was weak. Ronnie would laugh as he was doing 20 reps with the weight Dorian had to kill himself to get 8 with
You have just proven yourself to be a complete fucking moron who knows nothing about bodybuilding. Dorian was weak? He was one of the strongest pros ever. Ronnie just happened to be one of the very few pros who was stronger than him. Dorian regularly did sets of decline bench press with 425 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. He barbell rowed 450 lbs for the same number of reps whilst keeping his back straight as an arrow. These are weights not far beneath what Ronnie used. In fact, Ronnie was only truly stronger than Dorian in the squat and deadlift, which is not surprising since Dorian didn't squat due to a knee injury he suffered years ago and he only did stiff-legged deadlift and not regular deadlifts. In the military press, bench press, barbell row, etc, Dorian used weights only about 50 lbs lighter than Ronnie's, and he used much stricter form. When you factor in cheating, Ronnie was probably only slightly stronger than Dorian in these exercises if at all.
And no, Ronnie wouldn't find Dorian's style of training a breeze. You keep talking about the much heavier weights that Ronnie used, but what you forget is that if Ronnie used strict form and rested only 40 seconds between sets like Dorian, he wouldn't be able to use the same weights he uses. Ronnie was notorious for using shitty form and resting several minutes between sets. Guess what? Dorian would also use heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested several minutes between sets like Ronnie.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You have just proven yourself to be a complete fucking moron who knows nothing about bodybuilding. Dorian was weak? He was one of the strongest pros ever. Ronnie just happened to be one of the very few pros who was stronger than him. Dorian regularly did sets of decline bench press with 425 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. He barbell rowed 450 lbs for the same number of reps whilst keeping his back straight as an arrow. These are weights not far beneath what Ronnie used. In fact, Ronnie was only truly stronger than Dorian in the squat and deadlift, which is not surprising since Dorian didn't squat do to a knee injury he suffered years ago and he only did stiff-legged deadlift and not regular deadlifts. In the military press, bench press, barbell row, etc, Dorian used weights only about 50 lbs lighter than Ronnie's, and he used much stricter form. When you factor in cheating, Ronnie was probably only slightly stronger than Dorian in these exercises if at all.
And no, Ronnie wouldn't find Dorian's style of training a breeze. You keep talking about the much heavier weights that Ronnie used, but what you forget is that if Ronnie used strict form and rested only 40 seconds between sets like Dorian, he wouldn't be able to use the same weights he uses. Ronnie was notorious for using shitty form and resting several minutes between sets. Guess what? Dorian would also use heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested several minutes between sets like Ronnie.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Bullshit...prove it with video.
Your love affair with dorian is very touching
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Who cares about form or weights as long as is working for you?
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Bullshit...prove it with video.
Your love affair with dorian is very touching
Your love affair for Ronnie is even more touching, to the point of being gay. And I actually don't consider Dorian the ideal of what a bodybuilder should look like, nor do I want to look like him. Very few of my total bodybuilding posts are on Dorian despite the Truce Thread, and few if any people in this board knows more bodybuilding than I do. The only reason why I defend him is because he is the GOAT as far as professional bodybuilding goes, and I like to challenge and argue with morons who make ridiculous claims like yourself.
The decline bench press weight is straight from Dorian's book "Dorian Yates: A Warrior's Story". The barbell row weight is straight from a training pictorial of Dorian training with Michael Francois in FLEX where their final set is 5 plates a side for 8 reps.
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You have just proven yourself to be a complete fucking moron who knows nothing about bodybuilding. Dorian was weak? He was one of the strongest pros ever. Ronnie just happened to be one of the very few pros who was stronger than him. Dorian regularly did sets of decline bench press with 425 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. He barbell rowed 450 lbs for the same number of reps whilst keeping his back straight as an arrow. These are weights not far beneath what Ronnie used. In fact, Ronnie was only truly stronger than Dorian in the squat and deadlift, which is not surprising since Dorian didn't squat due to a knee injury he suffered years ago and he only did stiff-legged deadlift and not regular deadlifts. In the military press, bench press, barbell row, etc, Dorian used weights only about 50 lbs lighter than Ronnie's, and he used much stricter form. When you factor in cheating, Ronnie was probably only slightly stronger than Dorian in these exercises if at all.
And no, Ronnie wouldn't find Dorian's style of training a breeze. You keep talking about the much heavier weights that Ronnie used, but what you forget is that if Ronnie used strict form and rested only 40 seconds between sets like Dorian, he wouldn't be able to use the same weights he uses. Ronnie was notorious for using shitty form and resting several minutes between sets. Guess what? Dorian would also use heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested several minutes between sets like Ronnie.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
from is relativedid dorian even squat
ronnie shits all over him training wise... stp being a fanboy..
try benching your 4 rep max and not locking out....
locking out = rest coleman trained harder that dorian by far.... no question
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whats the point of working out with this guy once, obviously it is for attention with video, the two need to grow their hair out, I think both there hair together would equal about 1/4 of an inch.
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haha no kidding... and if they really cared they could just watch blood and guts. his training hasn't changed one bit since then.
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Your love affair for Ronnie is even more touching, to the point of being gay. And I actually don't consider Dorian the ideal of what a bodybuilder should look like, nor do I want to look like him. Very few of my total bodybuilding posts are on Dorian despite the Truce Thread, and few if any people in this board knows more bodybuilding than I do. The only reason why I defend him is because he is the GOAT as far as professional bodybuilding goes, and I like to challenge and argue with morons who make ridiculous claims like yourself.
The decline bench press weight is straight from Dorian's book "Dorian Yates: A Warrior's Story". The barbell row weight is straight from a training pictorial of Dorian training with Michael Francois in FLEX where their final set is 5 plates a side for 8 reps.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
1: 170 IQ and that's the best you can do........parrot what i just said ?? ::)
2: Nice grammar........"genius" ::) ::)
"Genetic engineering" at it's finest :D
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Hey Musclecenter,
How do you manage to stay on top of all this current event shit? Just the puter and YT or what?
I'm impressed (but that ain't sayin much) ;D
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You have just proven yourself to be a complete fucking moron who knows nothing about bodybuilding. Dorian was weak? He was one of the strongest pros ever. Ronnie just happened to be one of the very few pros who was stronger than him. Dorian regularly did sets of decline bench press with 425 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. He barbell rowed 450 lbs for the same number of reps whilst keeping his back straight as an arrow. These are weights not far beneath what Ronnie used. In fact, Ronnie was only truly stronger than Dorian in the squat and deadlift, which is not surprising since Dorian didn't squat due to a knee injury he suffered years ago and he only did stiff-legged deadlift and not regular deadlifts. In the military press, bench press, barbell row, etc, Dorian used weights only about 50 lbs lighter than Ronnie's, and he used much stricter form. When you factor in cheating, Ronnie was probably only slightly stronger than Dorian in these exercises if at all.
And no, Ronnie wouldn't find Dorian's style of training a breeze. You keep talking about the much heavier weights that Ronnie used, but what you forget is that if Ronnie used strict form and rested only 40 seconds between sets like Dorian, he wouldn't be able to use the same weights he uses. Ronnie was notorious for using shitty form and resting several minutes between sets. Guess what? Dorian would also use heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested several minutes between sets like Ronnie.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you are correct on most of this. Yates did do deads but not max out 1-2 reps. 6+ reps tight as hell. you did point it out though that Yates used big weights with very strict form and ronnie used big weights with loose forms.
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what another getbigger said, watch blood and guts and see the weights and form. 405+ inclines for a perfect and slow 6+.
super strict no swinging bent rows of 415+ for another perfect 6+ reps.
6 plates(3 per side for those of you that are slow) mil press on the smith. we dont know the weight of the smith.
80-100 pound low incline flys.
i could go on but like i said, Yates perfect form with big weights and ronnies loose form with big weights. why argue this?
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1: 170 IQ and that's the best you can do........parrot what i just said ??
2: Nice grammar........"genius"
"Genetic engineering" at it's finest :D
Yeah, because attacking grammar is all people have left when they have nothing intelligent to say to their opponent in a debate. BTW, your grammar is far from stellar...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yeah, because attacking grammar is all people have left when they have nothing intelligent to say to their opponent in a debate. BTW, your grammar is far from stellar...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yes but I'm not a douche pretending to be a genius...hope this clears things up a bit
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Yes but I'm not a douche pretending to be a genius...hope this clears things up a bit
Oh boy, so everyone with an IQ of 170 writes with perfect grammar all the time and never makes orthographic mistakes on internet message boards, huh? I am sorry, but intelligent people don't try to sound pedantic; they strike normal people as pedantic because normal people are not on their level. I never claimed to have an IQ of 170. That was a joke on Ross Erstling, but apparently you were too dense to figure that out. And I don't care if you guys think that I'm unintelligent, because I know that I'm not. And my opinion is the only person's opinion that matters. To me.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Oh boy, so everyone with an IQ of 170 writes with perfect grammar all the time and never makes orthographic mistakes on internet message boards, huh? I am sorry, but intelligent people don't try to sound pedantic; they strike normal people as pedantic because normal people are not on their level. I never claimed to have an IQ of 170. That was a joke on Ross Erstling, but apparently you were too dense to figure that out. And I don't care if you guys think that I'm unintelligent, because I know that I'm not. And my opinion is the only person's opinion that matters. To me.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You're a dick
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You're a dick
Better than being a c.u.n.t like you! :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian was King when I first started lifting. Still prefer his style of Training over King Rons. I only hurt myself after the Unbelieveable video. I'm pretty sure I've seen every Dorian video ever posted here in the past few years. I've never seen anything with him even close to Ronnies kinda power. If so? Please post the link.
Here's the Weak little pussy Dorian's "perfect form" ::) inclines with 425.....he needs help on the second rep LOLOL .....No Fucking Comparison
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I never claimed to have an IQ of 170. That was a joke on Ross Erstling, but apparently you were too dense to figure that out. And I don't care if you guys think that I'm unintelligent, because I know that I'm not. And my opinion is the only person's opinion that matters. To me.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
hilarious "joke" ::)
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Here's the Weak little pussy Dorian's "perfect form" ::) inclines with 425.....he needs help on the second rep LOLOL .....No Fucking Comparison
groink get real, the only assistance was on the 6th rep. if he bounced it off his chest like others he could have gotten an easy 10.
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hilarious "joke"
Cephiseus, the fundamental problem with your solution is that you had the computer align the disks without factoring in that some of the disks spin counter-clockwise. The speed of rotation and the size of the disks is irrelevant, yes, but not the direction of spin. Read the problem again and reconsider your solution and you will agree with me.
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HAHAHAAHAAAHAAHAAAHAAHAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HERE'S "doz" ::) doing "strict" barbell rows.....LOLOLOLOLOL. :D :D
He's almost standing straight up and down,and moves the bar about ten inches... that's more of a shrug than a row where i come from. You fucking fanboys need to open your eyes. I can that with 315 and I'm natural. the man's strength is nothing special....considering the amount of anabolic agents coursing through his bloodstream.
The "myth" surrounding Yates' training is just another marketing angle....he's soooooooo intense. ::) Why, because he's ugly and makes faces when he's straining.....and there is an idiot yelling at him ?
Ronnie laughs his way through Superhuman workouts, he's trying just as hard...he's just not a wimp.
Anyway...here's mr "blood and guts" ::) ::)
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groink get real, the only assistance was on the 6th rep. if he bounced it off his chest like others he could have gotten an easy 10.
Please.....
How THE FUCK do you know how much assistance he was getting ? Ummmm, you DON'T ;)
i can give plenty of help with one finger, and he had his hands on the bar through the whole set...someone touches the bar...it ain't a rep. that's universal in every gym on the planet.
I'm not even to address your "if' nonsense.... ::)
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HAHAHAAHAAAHAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HERE'S "doz" ::) doing "strict" barbell rows.....LOLOLOLOLOL. :D :D
He's almost standing straight up and down,and moves the bar about ten inches... that's more of a shrug than a row where i come from. You fucking fanboys need to open your eyes. I can that with 315 and I'm natural. the man's strength is nothing special....considering the amount of anabolic agents coursing through his bloodstream.
The "myth" surrounding Yates' training is just another marketing angle....he's soooooooo intense. ::) Why, because he's ugly and makes faces when he's straining.....and there is an idiot yelling at him ?
Ronnie laughs his way through Superhuman workouts, he's trying just as hard...he's just not a wimp.
Anyway...here's mr "blood and guts" ::) ::)
agree with a lot of this....
the whole dorian hardcore.... a bit over played he wasnt any more hardcore than any serious minded trainer...
and ronnie is a lot stronger no comparision...
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groink is right... hand on the bar ... you didnt do the rep by yourself.... simple
his hand wasnt on the bar when dorian did 315 why because dorian caan do 315 comfortably...
im all for forced reps.. AFTER you get some reps BY YOURSELF... wouldnt catch me doing a set when the spotters hand is on the bar from rep one.... that means the weight is too heavy
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agree with a lot of this....
the whole dorian hardcore.... a bit over played he wasnt any more hardcore than any serious minded trainer...
and ronnie is a lot stronger no comparision...
Agree, anyone can have 19 inch guns like you naturally.
Hard work!
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Agree, anyone can have 19 inch guns like you naturally.
Hard work!
19.7 cold
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HAHAHAAHAAAHAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HERE'S "doz" ::) doing "strict" barbell rows.....LOLOLOLOLOL. :D :D
He's almost standing straight up and down,and moves the bar about ten inches... that's more of a shrug than a row where i come from. You fucking fanboys need to open your eyes. I can that with 315 and I'm natural. the man's strength is nothing special....considering the amount of anabolic agents coursing through his bloodstream.
The "myth" surrounding Yates' training is just another marketing angle....he's soooooooo intense. ::) Why, because he's ugly and makes faces when he's straining.....and there is an idiot yelling at him ?
Ronnie laughs his way through Superhuman workouts, he's trying just as hard...he's just not a wimp.
Anyway...here's mr "blood and guts" ::) ::)
Wasnt Dorian supposed to train with "textbook" form? lol..those "shrows" are not textbook. And then, to get away with that, they simply named it the "Yates row". rofl.
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You guys can't be serious... Dorian, a pussy? ::) ... any pro's that have trained with him said it was more difficult than their own style of training and that it was humbling. I'm not talking about Ronnie at all in this post, but everyone knows Dorian trained hard.
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You have just proven yourself to be a complete fucking moron who knows nothing about bodybuilding. Dorian was weak? He was one of the strongest pros ever. Ronnie just happened to be one of the very few pros who was stronger than him. Dorian regularly did sets of decline bench press with 425 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. He barbell rowed 450 lbs for the same number of reps whilst keeping his back straight as an arrow. These are weights not far beneath what Ronnie used. In fact, Ronnie was only truly stronger than Dorian in the squat and deadlift, which is not surprising since Dorian didn't squat due to a knee injury he suffered years ago and he only did stiff-legged deadlift and not regular deadlifts. In the military press, bench press, barbell row, etc, Dorian used weights only about 50 lbs lighter than Ronnie's, and he used much stricter form. When you factor in cheating, Ronnie was probably only slightly stronger than Dorian in these exercises if at all.
And no, Ronnie wouldn't find Dorian's style of training a breeze. You keep talking about the much heavier weights that Ronnie used, but what you forget is that if Ronnie used strict form and rested only 40 seconds between sets like Dorian, he wouldn't be able to use the same weights he uses. Ronnie was notorious for using shitty form and resting several minutes between sets. Guess what? Dorian would also use heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested several minutes between sets like Ronnie.
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1. Decline is one of the most useless exercises ever. So who gives a shit.
2. For both you and Groink...it's fucking bodybuilding not powerlifting so, again........who gives a shit.
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1. Decline is one of the most useless exercises ever. So who gives a shit.
2. For both you and Groink...it's fucking bodybuilding not powerlifting so, again........who gives a shit.
Decline useless.......remind me never to hire you as a trainer
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No, because Dorian didn't have Ronnie's strength so he could never lift the poundages that Ronnie could - except on back exercises at which Dorian and Ronnie were roughly as strong. But weights and intensity are two different things. A powerlifter can bench 750 lbs raw for a single after doing 6 light warmup sets where he stops three reps short of failure and rests 6 minutes between sets, and that is not an intense workout. Dorian would take each set past failure with perfect form and rest no more than 40 seconds between sets. Ronnie was stronger, but he probably couldn't handle Dorian's style of training for very long. Ronnie in fact loved to do drop sets and other techniques that allow you to keep training whilst decreasing intensity.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Dorian and ronnie roughly as strong opn back exercises??!!!!
WTF??
get of the crack pipe
DOrian was weak compared to ROnnie
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Dorian trained like a bitch. He was weak for his size. Big fucking deal, he made some faces the last few reps because he was weak. Ronnie would laugh as he was doing 20 reps with the weight Dorian had to kill himself to get 8 with
very true
LEvrone was also much much stronger than dorian
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There is no value what so ever in a decline press exept ego because someone could do a heavy rep with a 4" ROM. Please, tell me the purpose and don't give this "it develops the lower pec" crap.
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There is no value what so ever in a decline press exept ego because someone could do a heavy rep with a 4" ROM. Please, tell me the purpose and don't give this "it develops the lower pec" crap.
It develops the lower pec
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It develops the lower pec
LOL....bullshit. Either you have the genetics for it or you don't.
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Saying that Dorian Yates was "weak as shit" is so retarded that it boggles my comprehension. I am sorry, but someone who benches 405 lbs for reps with the bar touching the chest is not weak by any standards except that of gorillas. How many pros besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson can bench more than this for 8 strict reps?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Saying that Dorian Yates was "weak as shit" is so retarded that it boggles my comprehension. I am sorry, but someone who benches 405 lbs for reps with the bar touching the chest is not weak by any standards except that of gorillas. How many pros besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson can bench more than this for 8 strict reps?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I guess you missed the post where i said it's bodybuilding and not powerlifting. It's about muscle development not strength or power.
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Saying that Dorian Yates was "weak as shit" is so retarded that it boggles my comprehension. I am sorry, but someone who benches 405 lbs for reps with the bar touching the chest is not weak by any standards except that of gorillas. How many pros besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson can bench more than this for 8 strict reps?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He didn't bench it for one strict rep...his training partner had his hands on the bar assisting from the first rep.....video don't lie, assbreath
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I guess you missed the post where i said it's bodybuilding and not powerlifting. It's about muscle development not strength or power.
Absolutely. But I still wanted to comment on his remark that Dorian is "weak as shit" because it is too stupid to let pass.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He didn't bench it for one strict rep...his training partner had his hands on the bar assisting from the first rep.....video don't lie, assbreath
Yeah, he got one of the thickest pectorals ever and one of the best side chests mandatories ever by having his training partner lift the bar for him. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? And how can you judge how much his training partner is helping him from this video? He is only touching the bar. I hardly think he is giving Dorian any significant help. If he were, he would be grabbing the bar and not just touching it, and he would be deadlifting it for Dorian and not just standing back comfortably as he is and making no effort. Pay attention, dummy.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yeah, he got one of the thickest pectorals ever and one of the best side chests mandatories ever by having his training partner lift the bar for him. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? And how can you judge how much his training partner is helping him from this video? He is only touching the bar. I hardly think he is giving Dorian any significant help. If he were, he would be grabbing the bar and not just touching it, and he would be deadlifting it for Dorian and not just standing back comfortably as he is and making no effort. Pay attention, dummy.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He got his pectorals from ingesting massive amounts of steroids.... and you can't judge how much help his partner was giving any more than i can. I can give significant assistance with one finger.
Fact is....his hands are on the bar= not clean reps...Universal law, no disputing it. Maybe if you ever set foot in a gym you would know all of this. But being that you are just some tool with a vivid imagination, I guess that's asking too much :D
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He got his pectorals from ingesting massive amounts of steroids.... and you can't judge how much help his partner was giving any more than i can. I can give significant assistance with one finger.
Fact is....his hands are on the bar= not clean reps...Universal law, no disputing it. Maybe if you ever set foot in a gym you would know all of this. But being that you are just some tool with a vivid imagination, I guess that's asking too much :D
You are melting down pretty badly tonight, dude. Seriously. And I can judge very well how much help his training partner is giving him by observing that he is touching the bar with his fingers only and that he is not making much effort in moving the bar up and down. This tells me he is helping Dorian very little. If he were helping a lot, he would be grabbing the bar and not only touching it and making great body movements which would indicate effort. And a strict rep is defined as not using your momentum to move the bar and using a full range of motion. There is nothing saying that a rep where you don't use momentum and use a full range of motion is not a strict rep because you are receiving a little help from a training partner.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You are melting down pretty badly tonight, dude. Seriously. And I can judge very well how much help his training partner is giving him by observing that he is touching the bar with his fingers only and that he is not making much effort in moving the bar up and down. This tells me he is helping Dorian very little. If he were helping a lot, he would be grabbing the bar and not only touching it and making great body movements which would indicate effort. And a strict rep is defined as not using your momentum to move the bar and using a full range of motion. There is nothing saying that a rep where you don't use momentum and use a full range of motion is not a strict rep because you are receiving a little help from a training partner.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
That's a nice little paragraph of bullshit you put together, but the original point was whether or not he was being helped, and how strong he is. He does strict reps....BFD. He can't do them by himself ;)
Thank you for conceding that he had help, and that he can't get those reps clean...I guess that makes me the winner of this debate and you the loser.
Also...I've spotted hundreds of people. I'm a big, strong guy....just like Leon there. And i have NEVER made "great body movements that indicate great effort" when i spot someone, i can give PLENTY of help with a fingertip spot. Maybe if you worked out you would know that :)
PS....I'm pretty sure they both knew the cameras were rolling ;)
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99.9 % of people would training stupidly like Ronnie does - Dorian trains with correct form stretching and squeezing the muscle how it's meant to be done 8)
Dorian tore a bicep, then a tricep...strict form or not, he was tearing muscles just like Ronnie...except Ronnie has a torn tricep, and lat and a herniated disc...
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That's a nice little paragraph of bullshit you put together, but the original point was whether or not he was being helped, and how strong he is. He does strict reps....BFD. He can't do them by himself ;)
Thank you for conceding that he had help, and that he can't get those reps clean...I guess that makes me the winner of this debate and you the loser.
Also...I've spotted hundreds of people. I'm a big, strong guy....just like Leon there. And i have NEVER made "great body movements that indicate great effort" when i spot someone, i can give PLENTY of help with a fingertip spot. Maybe if you worked out you would know that :)
PS....I'm pretty sure they both knew the cameras were rolling ;)
we dont need to hear about your personal life....
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He got his pectorals from ingesting massive amounts of steroids.... and you can't judge how much help his partner was giving any more than i can. I can give significant assistance with one finger.
Fact is....his hands are on the bar= not clean reps...Universal law, no disputing it. Maybe if you ever set foot in a gym you would know all of this. But being that you are just some tool with a vivid imagination, I guess that's asking too much :D
Agree hand on the bar not a clean rep simple
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1. Decline is one of the most useless exercises ever. So who gives a shit.
2. For both you and Groink...it's fucking bodybuilding not powerlifting so, again........who gives a shit.
Depends on the angle of decline. Most gyms have a useless decline bench set way too steep, but a slight decline of about 5° is superior to flat bench.
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LOL....bullshit. Either you have the genetics for it or you don't.
x2. All the declines in the world aren't going to give lower pec development if the insertions are wrong. Ask Matt C.
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Depends on the angle of decline. Most gyms have a useless decline bench set way too steep, but a slight decline of about 5° is superior to flat bench.
This.....Ironically I started doing them after I read an article where Yates suggested them.
What I do is take two 25s and put them under one end of the bench....bingo
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x2. All the declines in the world aren't going to give lower pec development if the insertions are wrong. Ask Matt C.
Dorian claimed that the decline bench uses less shoulder and tricep involvement, and really puts the strain on the pec muscles, he also says that it has nothing to do with lower pec development.
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Dorian claimed that the decline bench uses less shoulder and tricep involvement, and really puts the strain on the pec muscles, he also says that it has nothing to do with lower pec development.
Yes. I was just going to post this. The superiority is in terms of less injury risk. Agree with the other guys about the slight decline instead of the steep one.
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Yes. I was just going to post this. The superiority is in terms of less injury risk. Agree with the other guys about the slight decline instead of the steep one.
Agree.
Dorian is a smart guy when it comes to theory.
Really like to hear his drug theories.
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Dorians left arm is a brutal 15 inches now.... sucks that it derailed his domination of the Olympia, couldn't even do guest posings like Ronnie is after retiring.
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Here's the Weak little pussy Dorian's "perfect form" ::) inclines with 425.....he needs help on the second rep LOLOL .....No Fucking Comparison
You wouldn't be able to see you if that weak little pussy was standing in front of you
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Agree.
Dorian is a smart guy when it comes to theory.
Really like to hear his drug theories.
for the Drug theories, well, just eat your Wheaties
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Dorian answers the question directly in an interview with T Nation http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/dorian_yates_interview :
T: Some have called you the strongest professional bodybuilder who's ever lived. Are you?
Dorian: I don't think so. I've seen some of the poundages that Ronnie Coleman uses and I don't think I could ever duplicate that. Ronnie's probably stronger than me; he comes from a powerlifting background. Greg Kovacs is certainly a very strong guy; I've seen some of the weights he uses…
T: So you've seen him workout? Are those crazy weights we read about real?
Dorian: I've seen him work out on a video using some pretty impressive poundages. I have this reputation for training heavy and all that, but people are surprised when they see me train. I'm very precise with the movements. I'm not interested in lifting weights from point A to B. I'm interested in putting stress on the muscle and stimulating growth. I want to do a full range contraction, controlled negative, everything like that. So I could probably lift more weight, if I wasn't using strict form, but that's not my goal in bodybuilding.
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is this kinda like who will beat who ! Arnold Vs. Yates ! Ronnie Vs. Arnold ....? etc
Yates style and form or Ronnie ! Yates won 6 O's and Ronnie 8 O's ! whatever they did it worked for them who cares if its bad form or low intensity or light weight heavy weight ! everyone handles weights, training and intensity differently !
i went to a gym when i was traveling few weeks ago and a trainer came to me telling me to use a different style saying what im doing according to him is wrong, i didn't arguer at first and said what the hell let me try it show me and i felt something is wrong and i didnt like it at all i knew this is aint for me.
what im trying to say everyone is different as long as you growing and not feeling bad when doing a specific workout or handling a heaver weight !
but i do like Yates style when it comes to training and i like Ronnie crazy strength and i adopt from here and there along with my own.
i maybe wrong but isn't life about trial and error anyway !
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Dorian answers the question directly in an interview with T Nation http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/dorian_yates_interview :
T: Some have called you the strongest professional bodybuilder who's ever lived. Are you?
Dorian: I don't think so. I've seen some of the poundages that Ronnie Coleman uses and I don't think I could ever duplicate that. Ronnie's probably stronger than me; he comes from a powerlifting background. Greg Kovacs is certainly a very strong guy; I've seen some of the weights he uses…
T: So you've seen him workout? Are those crazy weights we read about real?
Dorian: I've seen him work out on a video using some pretty impressive poundages. I have this reputation for training heavy and all that, but people are surprised when they see me train. I'm very precise with the movements. I'm not interested in lifting weights from point A to B. I'm interested in putting stress on the muscle and stimulating growth. I want to do a full range contraction, controlled negative, everything like that. So I could probably lift more weight, if I wasn't using strict form, but that's not my goal in bodybuilding.
Thanks for this. Here you have it. The fact that the interviewer even asks Dorian if he is the strongest pro ever indicates Dorian's reputation and how stupid "Groink" is for saying he was "weak as shit". Again, besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson, which pros are stronger than Dorian? So there are 1 or 2 pros who are stronger than Dorian out of the 90 who have pro cards so this means Dorian was "weak as shit".
And thanks also for pointing out what I mentiioned earlier: that Dorian used a full range of motion with strict form whilst Ronnie used sloppy for for less than a full range of motion, and that Dorian would have been able to use much heavier weights than he did if he trained like Ronnie did. "Groink" has been owned very badly.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Thanks for this. Here you have it. The fact that the interviewer even asks Dorian if he is the strongest pro ever indicates Dorian's reputation and how stupid "Groink" is for saying he was "weak as shit". Again, besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson, which pros are stronger than Dorian? So there are 1 or 2 pros who are stronger than Dorian out of the 90 who have pro cards so this means Dorian was "weak as shit".
And thanks also for pointing out what I mentiioned earlier: that Dorian used a full range of motion with strict form whilst Ronnie used sloppy for for less than a full range of motion, and that Dorian would have been able to use much heavier weights than he did if he trained like Ronnie did. "Groink" has been owned very badly.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
This debate was over yesterday...you lost, deal with it. I'm done owning you
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Dorian answers the question directly in an interview with T Nation http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/dorian_yates_interview :
T: Some have called you the strongest professional bodybuilder who's ever lived. Are you?
Dorian: I don't think so. I've seen some of the poundages that Ronnie Coleman uses and I don't think I could ever duplicate that. Ronnie's probably stronger than me; he comes from a powerlifting background. Greg Kovacs is certainly a very strong guy; I've seen some of the weights he uses…
T: So you've seen him workout? Are those crazy weights we read about real?
Dorian: I've seen him work out on a video using some pretty impressive poundages. I have this reputation for training heavy and all that, but people are surprised when they see me train. I'm very precise with the movements. I'm not interested in lifting weights from point A to B. I'm interested in putting stress on the muscle and stimulating growth. I want to do a full range contraction, controlled negative, everything like that. So I could probably lift more weight, if I wasn't using strict form, but that's not my goal in bodybuilding.
I give Dorian an A+ for being honest. that, I like about any individual
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This.....Ironically I started doing them after I read an article where Yates suggested them.
What I do is take two 25s and put them under one end of the bench....bingo
i disagree with most of which youve wrote on here,,,, but this is the way to get the most out of 'flat' movements, i prefer to use dumbbells, the range of motion and feel is incredible.
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List of pros stronger than Dorian
Kevin levrone
Ronnie Coleman
Chris Cormier
Johnnie Jackson
Evan centopani
Branch warren
Greg covacks
Brandon curry
Kai Greene
Off the top of my head
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who cares,,, he's top percentage strong, he's helped thousands with his theories on training, one of the smarter bodybuilders who always conducts him self in a professional manner
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Why the fixation on what pro was stronger than Dorian or who lifts the most? Its bodybuilding, not freaking powerlifting or strongman....its not about who is the strongest, its all about physique, muscular development.
Anyway Dorian still loses, because his physique was...... :-X :-\ :-\
And I agree that Dorian's training was/is over hyped, like it had anything to do with his development. Its funny to see how many current pros train with him thinking its going to do something special for them.
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when i switched from a volume type routine to a yates style routine i gained around a stone in 6 month,i totally changed visually and that was in my teens before gear, got nothing but praise for it
if im injury free its the only way i'll train, with niggles comes the need to do volume
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Thanks for this. Here you have it. The fact that the interviewer even asks Dorian if he is the strongest pro ever indicates Dorian's reputation and how stupid "Groink" is for saying he was "weak as shit". Again, besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson, which pros are stronger than Dorian? So there are 1 or 2 pros who are stronger than Dorian out of the 90 who have pro cards so this means Dorian was "weak as shit".
And thanks also for pointing out what I mentiioned earlier: that Dorian used a full range of motion with strict form whilst Ronnie used sloppy for for less than a full range of motion, and that Dorian would have been able to use much heavier weights than he did if he trained like Ronnie did. "Groink" has been owned very badly.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Groinks trolling when he types that shit.
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Groinks trolling when he types that shit.
You'd think with a 645 IQ he would be able to tell when someone is exaggerating for effect ;D
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Why the fixation on what pro was stronger than Dorian or who lifts the most? Its bodybuilding, not freaking powerlifting or strongman....its not about who is the strongest, its all about physique, muscular development.
Anyway Dorian still loses, because his physique was...... :-X :-\ :-\
And I agree that Dorian's training was/is over hyped, like it had anything to do with his development. Its funny to see how many current pros train with him thinking its going to do something special for them.
We aren't the ones with the fixation, we are just shooting down the bullshit that was posted.
Personally i could care less how strong anyone is except me, and it's not even my number one priority
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This debate was over yesterday...you lost, deal with it. I'm done owning you
Lol, you got owned like a port whore on Fleet Day. Did you own me when you said that Dorian was "weak as shit" and I proved to you that Dorian is the strongest pro ever besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson? Did you own me when you said that Ronnie trained harfer than Dorian and I corrected you by pointing out that training hard and training heavy are two different things and that Ronnie's poundages would be much lower if he used strict form and rested little between sets like Yates? Did you own me when ND posted the interview where Dorian flat out says that he would have used much heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested longer between sets like Ronnie?
You = fucking owned ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Lol, you got owned like a port whore on Fleet Day. Did you own me when you said that Dorian was "weak as shit" and I proved to you that Dorian is the strongest pro ever besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson? Did you own me when you said that Ronnie trained harfer than Dorian and I corrected you by pointing out that training hard and training heavy are two different things and that Ronnie's poundages would be much lower if he used strict form and rested little between sets like Yates? Did you own me when ND posted the interview where Dorian flat out says that he would have used much heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested longer between sets like Ronnie?
You = fucking owned ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Stop whining already
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1. Decline is one of the most useless exercises ever. So who gives a shit.
^THIS^
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Stop whining already
Groink, you got stomped, bro. Everyone can see that. :) But keep telling yourself whatever you want to feel better.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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^THIS^
I dont agree.
When I flat bench, my shoulders and tri's take over tremendously, I barely feel any pump in my chest whatsoever.
When I tried decline benching (after Dorian recommended it for this reason), I found my entire chest gets a gnarly pump and I feel a lot less in my shoulders and tris.
I tested this very scientifically.
I loaded a light weight I could pump out on the bar with ease (135), and pumped out reps until I could feel the muscles swell with blood.
I did one excercise to begin my chest workout one week, and the other the following week.
Pumping with the flat bench caused me to feel pumped in the shoulders/tris much more.
The decline made the whole pec feel pumped in a way I have never felt before, Ive always struggled at getting my pecs involved on benching movements.
I also did this test back to back one week, flat first, decline second, with the same result.
Barely felt it work the pecs with flat, DESTROYED the pec with decline.
IMHO Dorian was exactly correct, the function of the pec is to pull the arm forward and across the chest, and the decline does that perfectly IMHO. I tossed out flat bench entirely, replaced with decline.
A lot nicer to feel like youre actually working the muscle youre targeting, instead of just moving weight cause its the "flat bench"
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I'm one of the biggest dorian fans here, ronnie is stronger.
He comes from s powrliftng background, genetically stronger.
Ronnie would have to go lighter if followed dorians form.
Dorian would go heavier if he used ronnies form.
Same weights? I think pretty close.
By the way, weren't brian dobson's hands on the bar for all of ronnies reps in the redemption video....
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I'm pretty sure when the did tests for pectoral muscle stimulation decline came out top. It targets the pec a lot better.
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heavy weights = much more demanding
this slow strict movement with light weight is much easier
no doubt about it
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Agreed heavy weight = dense big muscles...
Heavy however is relative
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heavy weights = much more demanding
this slow strict movement with light weight is much easier
no doubt about it
slow strict movement is much harder than swinging the weight from a to b.... full, deep reps with big squeeze win the race everytime, if you dont realise this your a moron
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You're delusional if you think Dorian lifted "light weights".