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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: EL Mariachi on May 21, 2011, 11:18:17 PM
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Dont the american jews own a lot of money in us?
Then the bond doesnt surprise me.
Brando ''the jews own hollywood''
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you're...you're a NAZI!!!!! what are you HITLER!?!?!?! you're ANTI-SEMITIC!!!!! YOU ARE A GERMAN NAZI LOVING SKINHEAD BIGOT !!!!!!!
haha no you are completely correct just be prepared for the flames from the ignorant blind israel fanboys.
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israel sucks!!!!!
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Israel has been caught numerous times trying to steal American technology via espionage.
They also deliberately killed American servicemen in the USS Liberty attack.
Yet The Coach thinks it is treasonous not to support Israel ::)
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Israel has been caught numerous times trying to steal American technology via espionage.
They also deliberately killed American servicemen in the USS Liberty attack.
Yet The Coach thinks it is treasonous not to support Israel ::)
yes the uss liberty AND the lavon affair...plus it was jewish spies (rosenbergs) who handed nuclear technology to the Soviets thus starting the Cold War...not to mention their wars of agression in the middle east which have put an entire people behind Walls guarded with machine guns and infringed on the borders of every surrounding nation...and who stoledeveloped a sophisticated nuclear weapons program......but no, its iran who is 'destabilizing the region' ::)
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US should completely pull out of the middle east and iraq/afghanistan and focus/worry about itself, let these countries fend for themselves, middle east and iraq/afghanistan are nothing but sand anyway, the US already has control over the oil wells in iraq/kuwait, tired of seeing the US always taking Israel's side against the Palestinians, let the two countries duke it out, it's not like peace will ever be there.
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Hahahahaha, the Liberal band of short bussed idiots in this thread. Hahahahahahahahaha. Carry on, this is entertaining ;D
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US should completely pull out of the middle east and iraq/afghanistan and focus/worry about itself, let these countries fend for themselves, middle east and iraq/afghanistan are nothing but sand anyway, the US already has control over the oil wells in iraq/kuwait, tired of seeing the US always taking Israel's side against the Palestinians, let the two countries duke it out, it's not like peace will ever be there.
They just want t keep the war economy going.
Destroy and rebuild = good money
Pretty fucking disgusting. The worst part is that most Americans just shrug their shoulders and accept it.
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Hahahahaha, the Liberal band of short bussed idiots in this thread. Hahahahahahahahaha. Carry on, this is entertaining ;D
Typical retarded answer. I don't even live in the US and am far from being a liberal.
Israel is objectively a terrible ally to have.
Laughing like a jackass isn't a convincing argument
Is that how you seriously portray everything? If someone has an opinion you don't like they must certainly be a liberal? Haha fucking retarded
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Typical retarded answer. I don't even live in the US and am far from being a liberal.
Israel is objectively a terrible ally to have.
Laughing like a jackass isn't a convincing argument.
Riiight..lol
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Hahahahaha, the Liberal band of short bussed idiots in this thread. Hahahahahahahahaha. Carry on, this is entertaining ;D
Very intelligent couch, do you have any other words in your vocabulary other then liberal and republican?! because it seems every single post you make always includes one of the two.
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Riiight..lol
What the fuck? At least try to refute something.
Two word posts are boring
Please don't say you support Israel for religious reasons.....
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Hahahahaha, the Liberal band of short bussed idiots in this thread. Hahahahahahahahaha. Carry on, this is entertaining ;D
You have gotta be the most uneducated and bone-headed guy on this forum.
Do you realize that you are stupid? Or do you just think you are normal?
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Very intelligent couch, do you have any other words in your vocabulary other then liberal and republican?! because it seems every single post you make always includes one of the two.
He is a simple minded and brain dead idiot.
And anytime someone calls him out on it his stupid mind just thinks they are a "liberal".
I can't believe some people are walking around as stupid as him. If he grew up in a cabin in the woods i'd understand, but he's in SoCal and on the internet all the time. How can he be so unworldy and dumb?
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He is a simple minded and brain dead idiot.
And anytime someone calls him out on it his stupid mind just thinks they are a "liberal".
I can't believe some people are walking around as stupid as him. If he grew up in a cabin in the woods i'd understand, but he's in SoCal and on the internet all the time. How can he be so unworldy and dumb?
Anything's possible I guess, but that seems to be his standard reply to everything, 'you're a liberal' LOL
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#1 He is.
#2 Sadly, he does not.
#3 Yes, he does.
Meet "The Coach", getbig's Village Idiot.
He doesn't even know why he blindly supports Israel's occupation and Zionist policies. He doesn't understand much of anything. Whatever FOX NEWS and the right-wing political establishment says is right, then that is what "The Coach" is for. Dumber than a box of rocks, poor fellow.
I don't think you're allowed to have any other channel then FOX on at couch's house, between fox news and divorce court he's got all he needs!
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You have gotta be the most uneducated and bone-headed guy on this forum.
Do you realize that you are stupid? Or do you just think you are normal?
LOL...no I'm just right and no matter what proof I post, what accurate history I post, you will still say exactly what you've been saying. I post fact and libs (oh..I'm sorry. I meant "progressives") rhetoric, opinion, lies and spin (BTW this is fact). You clowns fail at damn near everything and you think you're actually and factually correct on this?????? Hahahaha.
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coach, what exactly is your reason for supporting israel?
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#1 He is.
#2 Sadly, he does not.
#3 Yes, he does.
Meet "The Coach", getbig's Village Idiot.
He doesn't even know why he blindly supports Israel's occupation and Zionist policies. He doesn't understand much of anything. Whatever FOX NEWS and the right-wing political establishment says is right, then that is what "The Coach" is for. Dumber than a box of rocks, poor fellow.
Benny, not only me, but 333 and everyone else has pwned your ass in every thread you've ever created and the best you can come up with is this. LOL
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LOL...no I'm just right and no matter what proof I post, what accurate history I post, you will still say exactly what you've been saying. I post fact and libs (oh..I'm sorry. I meant "progressives") rhetoric, opinion, lies and spin (BTW this is fact). You clowns fail at damn near everything and you think you're actually and factually correct on this?????? Hahahaha.
Please post some kind of proof or something that shows where you are coming from.
Seriously. Post something and I will read it with an open mind.
The problem is that you never post anything. You just make retarded little posts that make you sound stupid and you don't even make any good points in your posts.
Post up whatever you got, and i'll read it and consider it seriously.
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Typical retarded answer. I don't even live in the US and am far from being a liberal.
Israel is objectively a terrible ally to have.
Laughing like a jackass isn't a convincing argument
Is that how you seriously portray everything? If someone has an opinion you don't like they must certainly be a liberal? Haha fucking retarded
Look at Israel's enemies. Their the only ally to have.
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Please post some kind of proof or something that shows where you are coming from.
Seriously. Post something and I will read it with an open mind.
The problem is that you never post anything. You just make retarded little posts that make you sound stupid and you don't even make any good points in your posts.
Post up whatever you got, and i'll read it and consider it seriously.
We'll start with this and pick it up tomorrow. It's almost 1am here and 3 hours past my bed time. Good night!
Today, the United States and Israel are the closest of friends and allies. During more than four decades of state-building, Israelis have looked to the United States for inspiration, financial and military assistance, and diplomatic support. Americans, in turn, have viewed Israel with a special appreciation for its successful effort to follow the Western democratic tradition, its remarkable economic development, and its determined struggle against its uncompromising enemies.
This mutual admiration is hardly a recent phenomenon. The profound influence of Jewish tradition on the Founding Fathers can be seen in the American Constitution. Such influence should come as no surprise given John Adams' view expressed in a letter to Thomas Jefferson: "I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize man than any other nation."
According to Woodrow Wilson, the ancient Jewish nation provided a model for the American colonists:
Recalling the previous experiences of the colonists in applying the Mosaic Code to the order of their internal life, it is not to be wondered at that the various passages in the Bible that serve to undermine royal authority, stripping the Crown of its cloak of divinity, held up before the pioneer Americans the Hebrew Commonwealth as a model government. In the spirit and essence of our Constitution, the influence of the Hebrew Commonwealth was paramount in that it was not only the highest authority for the principle, "that rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God," but also because it was in itself a divine precedent for a pure democracy, as distinguished from monarchy, aristocracy or any other form of government.
Jews also contributed directly to the revolution. President Calvin Coolidge paid tribute to their role in the War of Independence:
The Jews themselves, of whom a considerable number were already scattered throughout the colonies, were true to the teachings of their prophets. The Jewish faith is predominantly the faith of liberty.
One original design for the official Seal for the United States submitted by Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams depicted the Israelites crossing the Red Sea with Pharaoh in pursuit and Moses standing on the other side. The motto was to have been: "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God." Another seal was chosen, but the Liberty Bell does bear an inscription from the Old Testament: "And Proclaim Freedom Throughout The Land Unto All the Inhabitants Thereof" (Leviticus 25:10).
Although it took 2,000 years to resurrect Hebrew as a spoken language in the early twentieth century in Palestine, Hebrew was a prerequisite for early American scholars. Many universities required it in their curriculum. Hebrew was compulsory at Harvard until 1787. To this day, Yale's insignia has the words Urim V'Thummim (oracle learning).
America's Support for Zionism
American support for the age-old aspirations of the Jewish people to return to their homeland dates from the Colonial period when John Adams wrote: "I really wish the Jews again in Judea an independent nation for, as I believe, the most enlightened men of it have participated in the amelioration of the philosophy of the age." John Quincy Adams wrote to Major Mordecai Manuel Noah that he believed in the "rebuilding of Judea as an independent nation."
Not long after the Emancipation Proclamation, President Abraham Lincoln met a Canadian Christian Zionist, Henry Wentworth Monk, who expressed hope that Jews who were suffering oppression in Russia and Turkey be emancipated "by restoring them to their national home in Palestine." Lincoln said this was "a noble dream and one shared by many Americans." The President said his chiropodist was a Jew who "has so many times ‘put me upon my feet’ that I would have no objection to giving his countrymen ‘a leg up.’"
In 1883, Emma Lazarus, the poet whose words are inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, wrote that Palestine should be as "a Home for the Homeless, a Goal for the Wanderer and an Asylum for the persecuted and a nation of the denationalized."
In 1891, pogroms incited by Czar Alexander III provoked an outcry by many prominent Americans, including the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Speaker of the House. Rev. William E. Blackstone and Cardinal Gibbons presented a petition signed by those who were concerned about the fate of the Jews in Russia to President Benjamin Harrison and Secretary of State James Blaine. They called for the first international conference "to consider the Israelite claim to Palestine as their ancient home, and to promote in any other just and proper way the alleviation of their suffering condition."
Why not give Palestine back to the Jews again? According to God's distribution of nations, it is their home—an inalienable possession from which they were expelled by force. Under their cultivation was a remarkable fruitful land, sustaining millions of Israelites, who industrially tilled its hillsides and valleys. They were agriculturists and producers...the center of civilization and religion.
We believe this is an appropriate time for all nations, and especially the Christian nations of Europe, to show kindness to Israel...let us now restore to them the land of which they were so cruelly despoiled by our Roman ancestors.
The signatories' idea preceded the first World Zionist Congress that adopted the program to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine by six years.
Endorsing The Balfour Declaration
In 1917, Lord Balfour sent a letter to Lord Rothschild, president of the British Zionist Federation, stating that the British Government would facilitate the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. President Wilson expressed his support for the Balfour Declaration when he stated on March 3, 1919:
The allied nations with the fullest concurrence of our government and people are agreed that in Palestine shall be laid the foundations of a Jewish Commonwealth.
After Wilson left office, his successors expressed similar support for the Zionist enterprise. "It is impossible for one who has studied at all the services of the Hebrew people to avoid the faith that they will one day be restored to their historic national home and there enter on a new and yet greater phase of their contribution to the advance of humanity," said President Warren Harding.
Calvin Coolidge expressed his "sympathy with the deep and intense longing which finds such fine expression in the Jewish National Homeland in Palestine."
"Palestine which, desolate for centuries, is now renewing its youth and vitality through enthusiasm, hard work, and self-sacrifice of the Jewish pioneers who toil there in a spirit of peace and social justice," observed Herbert Hoover.
Congress was no less sympathetic to the Zionist objective. One can look back to the joint Congressional resolutions of 1922 and 1944 that unanimously passed an endorsement of the Balfour Declaration. The House Foreign Affairs Committee stated in 1922:
The Jews of America are profoundly interested in establishing a National Home in the ancient land for their race. Indeed, this is the ideal of the Jewish people, everywhere, for, despite their dispersion, Palestine has been the object of their veneration since they were expelled by the Romans. For generations they have prayed for the return to Zion. During the past century this prayer has assumed practical form.
Legislatures in 33 states, representing 85 percent of the population, also adopted resolutions favoring the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. Governors of 37 states, 54 United States senators, and 250 congressmen signed petitions to the President.
The Campaign for Partition
In early 1947, the British, who then administered a League of Nations mandate for Palestine, decided to bring the question of how to resolve the dispute between Arabs and Jews to the United Nations. The General Assembly decided to set up the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) to investigate the cause of the conflict in Palestine, and, if possible, devise a solution.
The UNSCOP, composed of representatives from 11 nations, visited Palestine and found the Jewish community very responsive to its inquiries. The Arabs in Palestine greeted the UNSCOP with hostility and refused to cooperate. The Arab Higher Committee boycotted the Commission but demanded that the UN immediately grant Palestine its independence. As one author observed, the contrasting attitudes of Jews and Arabs toward the UNSCOP "could not fail to give the impression that the Jews were imbued with the sense of right and were prepared to plead their case before any unbiased tribunal, while the Arabs felt unsure of the justice of their cause, or were afraid to bow to the judgement of the nations."
One UNSCOP aide was particularly influential, an American named Ralph Bunche. Later Bunche would play a key role in negotiating armistice agreements between Israel and its neighbors following the War of Independence. In 1947, Bunche set up a meeting between two members of the UNSCOP and Menachem Begin, the leader of the Irgun Jewish underground. As he was leaving Begin's hideout, Bunche told the future Israeli Prime Minister: "I can understand you. I am also a member of a persecuted minority." Richard Crossman of Britain asked Bunche if his exposure to the Jews had made him anti-Semitic "yet." Bunche answered: "That would be impossible....I know the flavor of racial prejudice and racial persecution. A wise Negro can never be an anti-Semite."
The majority of the UNSCOP concluded after its investigation that the question of ownership or right to Palestine was an insoluble antinomy. Rather than try to solve it, they chose the logical alternative of partition, in which both Jews and Arabs would be given sovereignty in their own separate state.
The United States endorsed the majority report and called on the General Assembly to approve partition. Some dispute exists among scholars as to how vigorously the Truman Administration lobbied for the resolution. Nevertheless, ample evidence exists to indicate that U.S. influence played a critical role in securing the adoption of the partition resolution.
President Truman with David Ben-Gurion and Abba Eban
Less than six months later, Israel declared its independence and the United States was the first nation to grant de facto recognition to the new Jewish State—11 minutes after the proclamation. "I had faith in Israel before it was established, I have faith in it now," Truman said May 26, 1952. "I believe it has a glorious future before it—not just another sovereign nation, but as an embodiment of the great ideals of our civilization."
A Historical Commitment to Israel
The recognition of shared values has been a consistent theme in statements by American Presidents ever since Truman. John Kennedy, for example, declared: "This nation, from the time of President Woodrow Wilson, has established and continued a tradition of friendship with Israel because we are committed to all free societies that seek a path to peace and honor individual right. In the prophetic spirit of Zionism all free men today look to a better world and in the experience of Zionism we know that it takes courage and perseverance and dedication to achieve it."
"The United States and Israel share many common objectives...chief of which is the building of a better world in which every nation can develop its resources and develop them in freedom and peace," said Lyndon Johnson.
The roots of Johnson's feelings, like those of many other Americans came from the Bible. As he explained in a speech before B'nai B'rith: "Most if not all of you have very deep ties with the land and with the people of Israel, as I do, for my Christian faith sprang from yours." The President explained that "the Bible stories are woven into my childhood memories as the gallant struggle of modern Jews to be free of persecution is also woven into our souls."
Richard Nixon asserted that the United States stands by its friends and that "Israel is one of its friends." His successor, Gerald Ford, reaffirmed his "commitment to the security and future of Israel is based upon basic morality as well as enlightened self-interest. Our role in supporting Israel honors our own heritage."
"The United States," Jimmy Carter said, "has a warm and a unique relationship of friendship with Israel that is morally right. It is compatible with our deepest religious convictions, and it is right in terms of America's own strategic interests. We are committed to Israel's security, prosperity, and future as a land that has so much to offer the world."
Ronald Reagan was the first President to state explicitly that Israel was a strategic asset to the United States, a belief he expressed even before he was elected: "Only by full appreciation of the critical role the State of Israel plays in our strategic calculus can we build the foundation for thwarting Moscow's designs on territories and resources vital to our security and our national well-being." But Reagan also understood this alliance sprang from shared values: "Since the rebirth of the State of Israel, there has been an ironclad bond between that democracy and this one."
Shortly after taking office, George Bush said: "The friendship, the alliance between the United States and Israel is strong and solid, built upon a foundation of shared democratic values, of shared history and heritage, that sustains the life of our two countries. The emotional bond of our people transcends politics. Our strategic cooperation—and I renew today our determination that that go forward—is a source of mutual security. And the United States’ commitment to the security of Israel remains unshakeable. We may differ over some policies from time to time, individual policies, but never over the principle."
President Bill Clinton has taken the relationship to another level during his administration. "Our relationship would never vary from its allegiance to the shared values, the shared religious heritage, the shared democratic politics which have made the relationship between the United States and Israel a special—even on occasion a wonderful—relationship."
The Jewish population in the United States is less than six million; therefore, the political activity of Jews who view strengthening U.S.-Israel relations to be in the national interest alone cannot explain the depth of the friendship that exists. Fewer than 3 percent of the population could hardly have such a dramatic influence on American foreign policy. The U.S.-Israel alliance is rooted in shared values.
If one were forced to reduce the explanation for the unique relationship between the United States and Israel to one sentence, it was probably best expressed by Lyndon Johnson. When Soviet Premier Aleksei Kosygin asked Johnson why the United States supports Israel when there are 80 million Arabs and only three million Israelis, the President replied simply: "Because it is right."
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The real question I would like to know is how much of the countries wealth does that three percent hold, I have always found American foreign policy to be more of an issue of accumalating wealth with democracy the vehicle of the crusade, meaning I believe the USA foreign policy is built purely on wealth accumalation rather than what the democratic voters back home want.
From the embarssing ass kicking Obama got from Netanyahu i believe they muist hold a lot more clout than 3 percent of the wealth in the USA and in Israel.
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What a terrible article. Mostly just a bunch of abstract stuff about "shared values" and lots of religious nonsense, lots of BS about "democracy" which has certainly been corrupted in the US and turned into a plutocracy, so that point is mute. And most of the article goes over stuff from the distant past. Only the last few paragraphs discuss issues that are relevant at the present time. Most of it is talking about stuff that happened in the 1700s and 1800s and early 1900s, the world situation was completely different. back then That stuff just isn't relevant anymore.
Very fluffy article without a lot of concrete facts and definitive reasoning, lots of bravado about abstract "values" and "deomocracy" and stuff meant to appeal to Christians from a religiously biased perspective. Where did this article come from?
Basically that article is saying is that the allegiance is because of economic cooperation, Democratic ideals and strategic cooperation. I would counter by saying that right now, in the past 20 years, things have changed and the US is now getting a shitty deal with it's Israel allegiance.
The USA already has it's bases in Iraq and Afghanistan now. So we don't relaly need Israel anymore for a military foothold.
Seems like the only real reason is $$$$$$. That's the only legit reason I see from this article.
Coach, could you please explain in your own words why you suppport the alliance with Israel? Copying and pasting a big article like this is good, but can you just break it down more concisely please?
Also i'd like to hear more information that is relevant to the present time. You know, the situation has changed A LOT in the past few decades. This article is definitely stepping around all these modern issues like terrorism, the US ocupation in Iraq and Afghanistan, the money we pour in there, etc. An article that focuses on 21st century issues would be better instead of a big historical article.
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The real question I would like to know is how much of the countries wealth does that three percent hold, I have always found American foreign policy to be more of an issue of accumalating wealth with democracy the vehicle of the crusade, meaning I believe the USA foreign policy is built purely on wealth accumalation rather than what the democratic voters back home want.
From the embarssing ass kicking Obama got from Netanyahu i believe they muist hold a lot more clout than 3 percent of the wealth in the USA and in Israel.
Definitely. Politics all over the word is based on corruption and short-sighted gains.
Almost nobody is taking a longview. Instead they are just interested in what they can gain in the next year or two.
"Democracy" is a bullshit word anyway. US democracy is actually a plutocracy. Anyone who thinks there is true Democracy, or a true Republic in the USA does not know the dynamics between corporations and politicians.
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We'll start with this and pick it up tomorrow. It's almost 1am here and 3 hours past my bed time. Good night!
Today, the United States and Israel are the closest of friends and allies. During more than four decades of state-building, Israelis have looked to the United States for inspiration, financial and military assistance, and diplomatic support. Americans, in turn, have viewed Israel with a special appreciation for its successful effort to follow the Western democratic tradition, its remarkable economic development, and its determined struggle against its uncompromising enemies.
This mutual admiration is hardly a recent phenomenon. The profound influence of Jewish tradition on the Founding Fathers can be seen in the American Constitution. Such influence should come as no surprise given John Adams' view expressed in a letter to Thomas Jefferson: "I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize man than any other nation."
According to Woodrow Wilson, the ancient Jewish nation provided a model for the American colonists:
Recalling the previous experiences of the colonists in applying the Mosaic Code to the order of their internal life, it is not to be wondered at that the various passages in the Bible that serve to undermine royal authority, stripping the Crown of its cloak of divinity, held up before the pioneer Americans the Hebrew Commonwealth as a model government. In the spirit and essence of our Constitution, the influence of the Hebrew Commonwealth was paramount in that it was not only the highest authority for the principle, "that rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God," but also because it was in itself a divine precedent for a pure democracy, as distinguished from monarchy, aristocracy or any other form of government.
Jews also contributed directly to the revolution. President Calvin Coolidge paid tribute to their role in the War of Independence:
The Jews themselves, of whom a considerable number were already scattered throughout the colonies, were true to the teachings of their prophets. The Jewish faith is predominantly the faith of liberty.
One original design for the official Seal for the United States submitted by Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams depicted the Israelites crossing the Red Sea with Pharaoh in pursuit and Moses standing on the other side. The motto was to have been: "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God." Another seal was chosen, but the Liberty Bell does bear an inscription from the Old Testament: "And Proclaim Freedom Throughout The Land Unto All the Inhabitants Thereof" (Leviticus 25:10).
Although it took 2,000 years to resurrect Hebrew as a spoken language in the early twentieth century in Palestine, Hebrew was a prerequisite for early American scholars. Many universities required it in their curriculum. Hebrew was compulsory at Harvard until 1787. To this day, Yale's insignia has the words Urim V'Thummim (oracle learning).
America's Support for Zionism
American support for the age-old aspirations of the Jewish people to return to their homeland dates from the Colonial period when John Adams wrote: "I really wish the Jews again in Judea an independent nation for, as I believe, the most enlightened men of it have participated in the amelioration of the philosophy of the age." John Quincy Adams wrote to Major Mordecai Manuel Noah that he believed in the "rebuilding of Judea as an independent nation."
Not long after the Emancipation Proclamation, President Abraham Lincoln met a Canadian Christian Zionist, Henry Wentworth Monk, who expressed hope that Jews who were suffering oppression in Russia and Turkey be emancipated "by restoring them to their national home in Palestine." Lincoln said this was "a noble dream and one shared by many Americans." The President said his chiropodist was a Jew who "has so many times ‘put me upon my feet’ that I would have no objection to giving his countrymen ‘a leg up.’"
In 1883, Emma Lazarus, the poet whose words are inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, wrote that Palestine should be as "a Home for the Homeless, a Goal for the Wanderer and an Asylum for the persecuted and a nation of the denationalized."
In 1891, pogroms incited by Czar Alexander III provoked an outcry by many prominent Americans, including the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Speaker of the House. Rev. William E. Blackstone and Cardinal Gibbons presented a petition signed by those who were concerned about the fate of the Jews in Russia to President Benjamin Harrison and Secretary of State James Blaine. They called for the first international conference "to consider the Israelite claim to Palestine as their ancient home, and to promote in any other just and proper way the alleviation of their suffering condition."
Why not give Palestine back to the Jews again? According to God's distribution of nations, it is their home—an inalienable possession from which they were expelled by force. Under their cultivation was a remarkable fruitful land, sustaining millions of Israelites, who industrially tilled its hillsides and valleys. They were agriculturists and producers...the center of civilization and religion.
We believe this is an appropriate time for all nations, and especially the Christian nations of Europe, to show kindness to Israel...let us now restore to them the land of which they were so cruelly despoiled by our Roman ancestors.
The signatories' idea preceded the first World Zionist Congress that adopted the program to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine by six years.
Endorsing The Balfour Declaration
In 1917, Lord Balfour sent a letter to Lord Rothschild, president of the British Zionist Federation, stating that the British Government would facilitate the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. President Wilson expressed his support for the Balfour Declaration when he stated on March 3, 1919:
The allied nations with the fullest concurrence of our government and people are agreed that in Palestine shall be laid the foundations of a Jewish Commonwealth.
After Wilson left office, his successors expressed similar support for the Zionist enterprise. "It is impossible for one who has studied at all the services of the Hebrew people to avoid the faith that they will one day be restored to their historic national home and there enter on a new and yet greater phase of their contribution to the advance of humanity," said President Warren Harding.
Calvin Coolidge expressed his "sympathy with the deep and intense longing which finds such fine expression in the Jewish National Homeland in Palestine."
"Palestine which, desolate for centuries, is now renewing its youth and vitality through enthusiasm, hard work, and self-sacrifice of the Jewish pioneers who toil there in a spirit of peace and social justice," observed Herbert Hoover.
Congress was no less sympathetic to the Zionist objective. One can look back to the joint Congressional resolutions of 1922 and 1944 that unanimously passed an endorsement of the Balfour Declaration. The House Foreign Affairs Committee stated in 1922:
The Jews of America are profoundly interested in establishing a National Home in the ancient land for their race. Indeed, this is the ideal of the Jewish people, everywhere, for, despite their dispersion, Palestine has been the object of their veneration since they were expelled by the Romans. For generations they have prayed for the return to Zion. During the past century this prayer has assumed practical form.
Legislatures in 33 states, representing 85 percent of the population, also adopted resolutions favoring the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. Governors of 37 states, 54 United States senators, and 250 congressmen signed petitions to the President.
The Campaign for Partition
In early 1947, the British, who then administered a League of Nations mandate for Palestine, decided to bring the question of how to resolve the dispute between Arabs and Jews to the United Nations. The General Assembly decided to set up the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) to investigate the cause of the conflict in Palestine, and, if possible, devise a solution.
The UNSCOP, composed of representatives from 11 nations, visited Palestine and found the Jewish community very responsive to its inquiries. The Arabs in Palestine greeted the UNSCOP with hostility and refused to cooperate. The Arab Higher Committee boycotted the Commission but demanded that the UN immediately grant Palestine its independence. As one author observed, the contrasting attitudes of Jews and Arabs toward the UNSCOP "could not fail to give the impression that the Jews were imbued with the sense of right and were prepared to plead their case before any unbiased tribunal, while the Arabs felt unsure of the justice of their cause, or were afraid to bow to the judgement of the nations."
One UNSCOP aide was particularly influential, an American named Ralph Bunche. Later Bunche would play a key role in negotiating armistice agreements between Israel and its neighbors following the War of Independence. In 1947, Bunche set up a meeting between two members of the UNSCOP and Menachem Begin, the leader of the Irgun Jewish underground. As he was leaving Begin's hideout, Bunche told the future Israeli Prime Minister: "I can understand you. I am also a member of a persecuted minority." Richard Crossman of Britain asked Bunche if his exposure to the Jews had made him anti-Semitic "yet." Bunche answered: "That would be impossible....I know the flavor of racial prejudice and racial persecution. A wise Negro can never be an anti-Semite."
The majority of the UNSCOP concluded after its investigation that the question of ownership or right to Palestine was an insoluble antinomy. Rather than try to solve it, they chose the logical alternative of partition, in which both Jews and Arabs would be given sovereignty in their own separate state.
The United States endorsed the majority report and called on the General Assembly to approve partition. Some dispute exists among scholars as to how vigorously the Truman Administration lobbied for the resolution. Nevertheless, ample evidence exists to indicate that U.S. influence played a critical role in securing the adoption of the partition resolution.
President Truman with David Ben-Gurion and Abba Eban
Less than six months later, Israel declared its independence and the United States was the first nation to grant de facto recognition to the new Jewish State—11 minutes after the proclamation. "I had faith in Israel before it was established, I have faith in it now," Truman said May 26, 1952. "I believe it has a glorious future before it—not just another sovereign nation, but as an embodiment of the great ideals of our civilization."
A Historical Commitment to Israel
The recognition of shared values has been a consistent theme in statements by American Presidents ever since Truman. John Kennedy, for example, declared: "This nation, from the time of President Woodrow Wilson, has established and continued a tradition of friendship with Israel because we are committed to all free societies that seek a path to peace and honor individual right. In the prophetic spirit of Zionism all free men today look to a better world and in the experience of Zionism we know that it takes courage and perseverance and dedication to achieve it."
"The United States and Israel share many common objectives...chief of which is the building of a better world in which every nation can develop its resources and develop them in freedom and peace," said Lyndon Johnson.
The roots of Johnson's feelings, like those of many other Americans came from the Bible. As he explained in a speech before B'nai B'rith: "Most if not all of you have very deep ties with the land and with the people of Israel, as I do, for my Christian faith sprang from yours." The President explained that "the Bible stories are woven into my childhood memories as the gallant struggle of modern Jews to be free of persecution is also woven into our souls."
Richard Nixon asserted that the United States stands by its friends and that "Israel is one of its friends." His successor, Gerald Ford, reaffirmed his "commitment to the security and future of Israel is based upon basic morality as well as enlightened self-interest. Our role in supporting Israel honors our own heritage."
"The United States," Jimmy Carter said, "has a warm and a unique relationship of friendship with Israel that is morally right. It is compatible with our deepest religious convictions, and it is right in terms of America's own strategic interests. We are committed to Israel's security, prosperity, and future as a land that has so much to offer the world."
Ronald Reagan was the first President to state explicitly that Israel was a strategic asset to the United States, a belief he expressed even before he was elected: "Only by full appreciation of the critical role the State of Israel plays in our strategic calculus can we build the foundation for thwarting Moscow's designs on territories and resources vital to our security and our national well-being." But Reagan also understood this alliance sprang from shared values: "Since the rebirth of the State of Israel, there has been an ironclad bond between that democracy and this one."
Shortly after taking office, George Bush said: "The friendship, the alliance between the United States and Israel is strong and solid, built upon a foundation of shared democratic values, of shared history and heritage, that sustains the life of our two countries. The emotional bond of our people transcends politics. Our strategic cooperation—and I renew today our determination that that go forward—is a source of mutual security. And the United States’ commitment to the security of Israel remains unshakeable. We may differ over some policies from time to time, individual policies, but never over the principle."
President Bill Clinton has taken the relationship to another level during his administration. "Our relationship would never vary from its allegiance to the shared values, the shared religious heritage, the shared democratic politics which have made the relationship between the United States and Israel a special—even on occasion a wonderful—relationship."
The Jewish population in the United States is less than six million; therefore, the political activity of Jews who view strengthening U.S.-Israel relations to be in the national interest alone cannot explain the depth of the friendship that exists. Fewer than 3 percent of the population could hardly have such a dramatic influence on American foreign policy. The U.S.-Israel alliance is rooted in shared values.
If one were forced to reduce the explanation for the unique relationship between the United States and Israel to one sentence, it was probably best expressed by Lyndon Johnson. When Soviet Premier Aleksei Kosygin asked Johnson why the United States supports Israel when there are 80 million Arabs and only three million Israelis, the President replied simply: "Because it is right."
You know a telling sign of a sheep is when said sheep never expresses any sort of thought process in his own words but rather via copy & paste.
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america has no other friend beside isreal,,uk is in the friendship too,,but that is it ,,rest of the countries truly hate america and wait for its fall,,trust me on that MANY europians love it when americana fail ,,they enjoy every moment ,,they really despsize america they jut dont say it out clear like i tell you here....
europian and ofcourse arabs think americanos are obese,,they think americanos are whorish ,,they think americanos are drunk ,,they think americanos are bad parents,,they think americanos are dumb and dotn know a thing around them ,,they really dont like americanos,,they woudl stab americanos in the back any moment they could,,
arabs....well arabs is very interesting group of individuals,,
some arabs are ok ,,MINORITY,,they woudl live in peace and they woudl share the land over there,,but majority of arabs are fanatiks,,they will truly send their children to kill themselves,,they will truly put the bombs on their little bodies and send them to throw stone and then explode themslevs ,,,ofcourse the israel people became smart and block everything with the fence so now the arabinos are stuck and cant do nothing so its not like 90s with suicide bomb in the bus like in irland etc,,
the problem is that many americanos do not understand what it is to be in a arab country ,,they do not get it ,,they do not understand,,the men nor the femals they just dont get it ,,
arabs will truly murder you with their own nife that they cut the bread in the morning ...if you gave shame to the family,,they will come to the daughter and will rape her ,,they will cum ....and then they will take her to the shower and murder her either by nife or strugling or cuttign throat,,or even stoning if they are old fashion ,,yes you hear this right,,
if you americana woman want to go out and your man doesnt and you dres little slutty ,, you will be raped and most likly ganged raped first outside...and then when you come back home by your own blood,, yes you hear this right,,
and no im not old fashion i talk exactly how arab think ,,they just fanatiks ,,majority of them are fanatik,,
the arbs only know one thing and it is POWER,,if you show them power like the way ireal finished them back in 1967 ,,,and in all other wars,,only then they get some fear and think many time before they start something,,they still start it but they know its a loss battle,,
now for the men among you ,,so you understand....if you go there and say what you write here ,,,lets say you go in syria or even saudi arabia ,,egypt even jordan ,,any one of those places ...if you go out and talk bad,,there is 90% chance you will be murdered,,they will come to you take you,,put you in the middle of the circle and pull out a knife....and if truly relegious they wil cut your head right there ...the type of alcaida relsgious loonateeks,,if they are less relegious..you will be beaten up severly and then in most likelhood either shut in the head or just left to die in the street,,
mob mentality is known among them ,,they act before they think,,they are just ,,well its quite sad because some of them are very good individuals with brain ,,but they are swalloed among their majority of fucked up loonmaateeks who really really want americnaa and israel gone ,,ofcourse they wil never get it ,,the most they will get is losing more pieces of their own land,,
gh15 approved
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Hahahahaha, the Liberal band of short bussed idiots in this thread. Hahahahahahahahaha. Carry on, this is entertaining ;D
I bet you're quite the window-licker yourself, shorty. ;)
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Don't worry guys! When I get in power...
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great book , eye opening
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Israel = triumph of the master race.
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"The Coach" thinks he can overwhelm you with some long-winded article of jibberish to justify his argument, but he does not realize that unlike him, you can actually read. He cannot defend or explain the article he posted because he doesn't understand it himself. Just some garbage "The Coach" grabbed off of google.
That's what I suspect too.
But i'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him respond.
Surely he must have SOME original thoughts about this?
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america has no other friend beside isreal,,uk is in the friendship too,,but that is it ,,rest of the countries truly hate america and wait for its fall,,trust me on that MANY europians love it when americana fail ,,they enjoy every moment ,,they really despsize america they jut dont say it out clear like i tell you here....
europian and ofcourse arabs think americanos are obese,,they think americanos are whorish ,,they think americanos are drunk ,,they think americanos are bad parents,,they think americanos are dumb and dotn know a thing around them ,,they really dont like americanos,,they woudl stab americanos in the back any moment they could,,
arabs....well arabs is very interesting group of individuals,,
some arabs are ok ,,MINORITY,,they woudl live in peace and they woudl share the land over there,,but majority of arabs are fanatiks,,they will truly send their children to kill themselves,,they will truly put the bombs on their little bodies and send them to throw stone and then explode themslevs ,,,ofcourse the israel people became smart and block everything with the fence so now the arabinos are stuck and cant do nothing so its not like 90s with suicide bomb in the bus like in irland etc,,
the problem is that many americanos do not understand what it is to be in a arab country ,,they do not get it ,,they do not understand,,the men nor the femals they just dont get it ,,
arabs will truly murder you with their own nife that they cut the bread in the morning ...if you gave shame to the family,,they will come to the daughter and will rape her ,,they will cum ....and then they will take her to the shower and murder her either by nife or strugling or cuttign throat,,or even stoning if they are old fashion ,,yes you hear this right,,
if you americana woman want to go out and your man doesnt and you dres little slutty ,, you will be raped and most likly ganged raped first outside...and then when you come back home by your own blood,, yes you hear this right,,
and no im not old fashion i talk exactly how arab think ,,they just fanatiks ,,majority of them are fanatik,,
the arbs only know one thing and it is POWER,,if you show them power like the way ireal finished them back in 1967 ,,,and in all other wars,,only then they get some fear and think many time before they start something,,they still start it but they know its a loss battle,,
now for the men among you ,,so you understand....if you go there and say what you write here ,,,lets say you go in syria or even saudi arabia ,,egypt even jordan ,,any one of those places ...if you go out and talk bad,,there is 90% chance you will be murdered,,they will come to you take you,,put you in the middle of the circle and pull out a knife....and if truly relegious they wil cut your head right there ...the type of alcaida relsgious loonateeks,,if they are less relegious..you will be beaten up severly and then in most likelhood either shut in the head or just left to die in the street,,
mob mentality is known among them ,,they act before they think,,they are just ,,well its quite sad because some of them are very good individuals with brain ,,but they are swalloed among their majority of fucked up loonmaateeks who really really want americnaa and israel gone ,,ofcourse they wil never get it ,,the most they will get is losing more pieces of their own land,,
gh15 approved
It's official.
gh15 is NOT Nasser ;D
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america has no other friend beside isreal,,uk is in the friendship too,,but that is it ,,rest of the countries truly hate america and wait for its fall,,trust me on that MANY europians love it when americana fail ,,they enjoy every moment ,,they really despsize america they jut dont say it out clear like i tell you here....
europian and ofcourse arabs think americanos are obese,,they think americanos are whorish ,,they think americanos are drunk ,,they think americanos are bad parents,,they think americanos are dumb and dotn know a thing around them ,,they really dont like americanos,,they woudl stab americanos in the back any moment they could,,
arabs....well arabs is very interesting group of individuals,,
some arabs are ok ,,MINORITY,,they woudl live in peace and they woudl share the land over there,,but majority of arabs are fanatiks,,they will truly send their children to kill themselves,,they will truly put the bombs on their little bodies and send them to throw stone and then explode themslevs ,,,ofcourse the israel people became smart and block everything with the fence so now the arabinos are stuck and cant do nothing so its not like 90s with suicide bomb in the bus like in irland etc,,
the problem is that many americanos do not understand what it is to be in a arab country ,,they do not get it ,,they do not understand,,the men nor the femals they just dont get it ,,
arabs will truly murder you with their own nife that they cut the bread in the morning ...if you gave shame to the family,,they will come to the daughter and will rape her ,,they will cum ....and then they will take her to the shower and murder her either by nife or strugling or cuttign throat,,or even stoning if they are old fashion ,,yes you hear this right,,
if you americana woman want to go out and your man doesnt and you dres little slutty ,, you will be raped and most likly ganged raped first outside...and then when you come back home by your own blood,, yes you hear this right,,
and no im not old fashion i talk exactly how arab think ,,they just fanatiks ,,majority of them are fanatik,,
the arbs only know one thing and it is POWER,,if you show them power like the way ireal finished them back in 1967 ,,,and in all other wars,,only then they get some fear and think many time before they start something,,they still start it but they know its a loss battle,,
now for the men among you ,,so you understand....if you go there and say what you write here ,,,lets say you go in syria or even saudi arabia ,,egypt even jordan ,,any one of those places ...if you go out and talk bad,,there is 90% chance you will be murdered,,they will come to you take you,,put you in the middle of the circle and pull out a knife....and if truly relegious they wil cut your head right there ...the type of alcaida relsgious loonateeks,,if they are less relegious..you will be beaten up severly and then in most likelhood either shut in the head or just left to die in the street,,
mob mentality is known among them ,,they act before they think,,they are just ,,well its quite sad because some of them are very good individuals with brain ,,but they are swalloed among their majority of fucked up loonmaateeks who really really want americnaa and israel gone ,,ofcourse they wil never get it ,,the most they will get is losing more pieces of their own land,,
gh15 approved
Great post.
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LOL gh15 is clearly wrong here.
I don't think people widely hate America anywhere else than in arabic countries and in North Korea.
Hahahh, I saw a document about NK... one dude praised their dear leader and swore to kill every americano he ever sees by his bare hands - that's commitment, especially when considered he probably never will see americano, Brutal ;D
But in Europe... WTF are you talkin' gh15? Barely no one gives a shit about America - and at least do not hate them LOL
Where you got that idea?
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Please don't say you support Israel for religious reasons.....
Coach is the guy that does circumcisions for the jewish folk in his city, of course he supports Israel as they feed him plenty of little boys cocks to fondle - truth
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Coach is the guy that does circumcisions for the jewish folk in his city, of course he supports Israel as they feed him plenty of little boys cocks to fondle - truth
you cant take coach seriously, he can shake hands with talibani nutjobs if it was for their mediaeval views on life.
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LOL gh15 is clearly wrong here.
I don't think people widely hate America anywhere else than in arabic countries and in North Korea.
Hahahh, I saw a document about NK... one dude praised their dear leader and swore to kill every americano he ever sees by his bare hands - that's commitment, especially when considered he probably never will see americano, Brutal ;D
But in Europe... WTF are you talkin' gh15? Barely no one gives a shit about America - and at least do not hate them LOL
Where you got that idea?
I agree. Lots of people just hate the "stereotypical" Americans.
If you're walking around being loud and annoying, acting like you have something to prove nd looking rowdy, and carrying yourself like a dumbass, then they'll hate you.
But if you are cool and act nice most people will treat an American with a lot of respect.
Most people just treat other on an individual basis instead of judging you by your nationality.
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you cant take coach seriously,
QFT :D
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if it was for coach we would still be scratching around in caves
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Coach is the guy that does circumcisions for the jewish folk in his city, of course he supports Israel as they feed him plenty of little boys cocks to fondle - truth
Lol
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Great post.
x2. The Palestinians deserve fair treatment -- but shouldn't get a state until they show that they can manage one. In the meantime, Israel on the right side of this conflict, and should be supported as a friend and longtime ally.
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That's what I suspect too.
But i'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him respond.
Surely he must have SOME original thoughts about this?
So the OP starts with a cut and paste and youtube video but the Coach is required to have the original thoughts?
Here's all you need to know about Benny - he knows shit about shit, and only what he reads. When asked to actually answer something this is how it goes:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=375180.0
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So the OP starts with a cut and paste and youtube video but the Coach is required to have the original thoughts?
Here's all you need to know about Benny - he knows shit about shit, and only what he reads. When asked to actually answer something this is how it goes:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=375180.0
I actually didn't even watch the OP vid. I just read all the responses and got the jist of it.
Coach doesn't have to be original really. I'd just like him to respond to the points I made about the article he posted though, which would require him to actually type out of his own brain a bit.
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wake up people, time to shed them off our backs.
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america has no other friend beside isreal,,uk is in the friendship too,,but that is it ,,rest of the countries truly hate america and wait for its fall,,trust me on that MANY europians love it when americana fail ,,they enjoy every moment ,,they really despsize america they jut dont say it out clear like i tell you here....
europian and ofcourse arabs think americanos are obese,,they think americanos are whorish ,,they think americanos are drunk ,,they think americanos are bad parents,,they think americanos are dumb and dotn know a thing around them ,,they really dont like americanos,,they woudl stab americanos in the back any moment they could,,
arabs....well arabs is very interesting group of individuals,,
some arabs are ok ,,MINORITY,,they woudl live in peace and they woudl share the land over there,,but majority of arabs are fanatiks,,they will truly send their children to kill themselves,,they will truly put the bombs on their little bodies and send them to throw stone and then explode themslevs ,,,ofcourse the israel people became smart and block everything with the fence so now the arabinos are stuck and cant do nothing so its not like 90s with suicide bomb in the bus like in irland etc,,
the problem is that many americanos do not understand what it is to be in a arab country ,,they do not get it ,,they do not understand,,the men nor the femals they just dont get it ,,
arabs will truly murder you with their own nife that they cut the bread in the morning ...if you gave shame to the family,,they will come to the daughter and will rape her ,,they will cum ....and then they will take her to the shower and murder her either by nife or strugling or cuttign throat,,or even stoning if they are old fashion ,,yes you hear this right,,
if you americana woman want to go out and your man doesnt and you dres little slutty ,, you will be raped and most likly ganged raped first outside...and then when you come back home by your own blood,, yes you hear this right,,
and no im not old fashion i talk exactly how arab think ,,they just fanatiks ,,majority of them are fanatik,,
the arbs only know one thing and it is POWER,,if you show them power like the way ireal finished them back in 1967 ,,,and in all other wars,,only then they get some fear and think many time before they start something,,they still start it but they know its a loss battle,,
now for the men among you ,,so you understand....if you go there and say what you write here ,,,lets say you go in syria or even saudi arabia ,,egypt even jordan ,,any one of those places ...if you go out and talk bad,,there is 90% chance you will be murdered,,they will come to you take you,,put you in the middle of the circle and pull out a knife....and if truly relegious they wil cut your head right there ...the type of alcaida relsgious loonateeks,,if they are less relegious..you will be beaten up severly and then in most likelhood either shut in the head or just left to die in the street,,
mob mentality is known among them ,,they act before they think,,they are just ,,well its quite sad because some of them are very good individuals with brain ,,but they are swalloed among their majority of fucked up loonmaateeks who really really want americnaa and israel gone ,,ofcourse they wil never get it ,,the most they will get is losing more pieces of their own land,,
gh15 approved
israel is not a friend LOL, they would not help us if we got in war, they did not help us in iraq, they did not help in afghanistan, they did not help in libya, they did not help in vietnam, no friend at all, just moochers.
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Yeah let's cozy up to north korea. Syria, iran, nigeria, and venezulea instead.
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israel is not a friend LOL, they would not help us if we got in war, they did not help us in iraq, they did not help in afghanistan, they did not help in libya, they did not help in vietnam, no friend at all, just moochers.
They have helped with Iraq and Afghanistan, don't know about Libya.
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They have helped with Iraq and Afghanistan, don't know about Libya.
They WANTED us to start a way in Iraq.
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They WANTED us to start a way in Iraq.
Perhaps, I don't know.
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They have helped with Iraq and Afghanistan, don't know about Libya.
yeah with what frozen mrp's bro, seriously they don't help in US/coalition efforts, commit troops, planes, vehicles, nothing, send them some food or some shit and say they helped, by the way the food was probably bought with money that the US gave them so it's not like they actually gave away anything, just re gifted.
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israel is not a friend LOL, they would not help us if we got in war, they did not help us in iraq, they did not help in afghanistan, they did not help in libya, they did not help in vietnam, no friend at all, just moochers.
thats how stupid most americanos are,, isreal not only helped but actualy work very close with americana,,infact the israel shabaq work extremly close with fbi and cia,,the mossad also pretty much work very close with dna on things of urgent matter,,
the 2 countries are very very closely tightly related,, to a point israel and americnaa military work together on specific missions that involved hand and face to face killing,,
you dont know what you are tlking about,,ansolitly dont know what you are talking about,,the irsreal airforce engineers alwys always update the americano aircraft,,all of them ,,the americano aircraft dont go into fight with out israel inspection unless its top secret but even the top secret is in many time shared with isreal,,not all but many times,,
the 2 countries are pretty much in the ass of eachother now day ,,it was nto like this in the early 80s...now day it is tight up the ass of each other,,back in the 80s it was close but still seperation ,,not it is HIGHLY correlated ,,in all military aspects,,
gh15 aproved
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thats how stupid most americanos are,, isreal not only helped but actualy work very close with americana,,infact the israel shabaq work extremly close with fbi and cia,,the mossad also pretty much work very close with dna on things of urgent matter,,
the 2 countries are very very closely tightly related,, to a point israel and americnaa military work together on specific missions that involved hand and face to face killing,,
you dont know what you are tlking about,,ansolitly dont know what you are talking about,,the irsreal airforce engineers alwys always update the americano aircraft,,all of them ,,the americano aircraft dont go into fight with out israel inspection unless its top secret but even the top secret is in many time shared with isreal,,not all but many times,,
the 2 countries are pretty much in the ass of eachother now day ,,it was nto like this in the early 80s...now day it is tight up the ass of each other,,back in the 80s it was close but still seperation ,,not it is HIGHLY correlated ,,in all military aspects,,
gh15 aproved
you just made this all up, stop making stuff up, thanks.
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you just made this all up, stop making stuff up, thanks.
A gay guy who hates jews...that's kind of original, I'll give you that. ;)
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yeah with what frozen mrp's bro, seriously they don't help in US/coalition efforts, commit troops, planes, vehicles, nothing, send them some food or some shit and say they helped, by the way the food was probably bought with money that the US gave them so it's not like they actually gave away anything, just re gifted.
They provide us with intelligence aid.
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Only morons, Muslims and people who hate America want the United States to sever ties with Israel; That explains most of the responses in this thread.
And FYI if we allowed Israel to fend for itself, the entire Arab world would be in flames with flags of David flying above most of the mosques in the region.
The only reason why the rest of the middle east is still standing is because we don't allow Israel to do what it is capable of against the arab muslim nazi filth surrounding it.
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They provide us with intelligence aid.
no they did not, stop making stuff up.
Only morons, Muslims and people who hate America want the United States to sever ties with Israel; That explains most of the responses in this thread.
And FYI if we allowed Israel to fend for itself, the entire Arab world would be in flames with flags of David flying above most of the mosques in the region.
The only reason why the rest of the middle east is still standing is because we don't allow Israel to do what it is capable of against the arab muslim nazi filth surrounding it.
wrong, they would be back in the same position they were during ww2 in a few years.
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Only morons, Muslims and people who hate America want the United States to sever ties with Israel; That explains most of the responses in this thread.
And FYI if we allowed Israel to fend for itself, the entire Arab world would be in flames with flags of David flying above most of the mosques in the region.
The only reason why the rest of the middle east is still standing is because we don't allow Israel to do what it is capable of against the arab muslim nazi filth surrounding it.
I dont hate America< I love the country, but I go through life with my eyes wide open, no doubt the jews would push the arabs into the red sea and beyond, why wouldnt they, The americans have stood by and let them develop nuclear weapons something that they sanction and invade Arab nations to restarin and right fully so, they are far from level headed enough to have weapons like that, but could you blame Iran Syria for not getting them, look at North Korea, they sink a south Korea warship and The USA shows restrain,only because of their nuclear retailiation capacity. Iran and Syria would be mad not to keep trying to obtain a nuclear bomb the writing is on teh wall with the current CIA backed cilvilian issues in their countries destabilising their governments.
What i dont understand is havent we already learnt that its easier to do buisness with the like of Saddam rather than try to civilise people who cannot be policed in a civilised way, but thats where the American agenda jumps up and hits you in the face its not about regeime change its about Oil and influencing the arab league the holders of the worlds oil reserves. Im all for uncle Sam, but i dont look at it with my eyes shut. I see it for what it is.
Every muslim nation that isnt ruled with an ironfist that we interfere with could backfire as the void is filled with radical islam and were doing the fighting for them.
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no they did not, stop making stuff up.
wrong, they would be back in the same position they were during ww2 in a few years.
I am a very much neutral about all this but seriously, you must be a gimmik. You wish genocide on people? Are you insane? ???
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I am a very much neutral about all this but seriously, you must be a gimmik. You wish genocide on people? Are you insane? ???
I never said that, I said they would be back in same position they were in ww2 if they lost all US funding and free weapons, the Arab nations would gang up on them and destroy them, either very soon or in the long run, they could shoot off a few nukes, but they would get nuked back by many countries and be annihilated.
And don't start off with the 6 day war crap, things are a lot different now.
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no they did not, stop making stuff up.
wrong, they would be back in the same position they were during ww2 in a few years.
Actually no they wouldn't you fucking idiot. Pick up a book occasionally and read about the 6 days war. Israel actually gave back 90% of the land it won (outnumbered 600+ to 1) after destroying the surrounding terrorists states in an effort to produce peace with Egypt. So far so good until recently. If we took our leash off Israel the result would be genocide the other way.
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I dont hate America< I love the country, but I go through life with my eyes wide open, no doubt the jews would push the arabs into the red sea and beyond, why wouldnt they, The americans have stood by and let them develop nuclear weapons something that they sanction and invade Arab nations to restarin and right fully so, they are far from level headed enough to have weapons like that, but could you blame Iran Syria for not getting them, look at North Korea, they sink a south Korea warship and The USA shows restrain,only because of their nuclear retailiation capacity. Iran and Syria would be mad not to keep trying to obtain a nuclear bomb the writing is on teh wall with the current CIA backed cilvilian issues in their countries destabilising their governments.
What i dont understand is havent we already learnt that its easier to do buisness with the like of Saddam rather than try to civilise people who cannot be policed in a civilised way, but thats where the American agenda jumps up and hits you in the face its not about regeime change its about Oil and influencing the arab league the holders of the worlds oil reserves. Im all for uncle Sam, but i dont look at it with my eyes shut. I see it for what it is.
Every muslim nation that isnt ruled with an ironfist that we interfere with could backfire as the void is filled with radical islam and were doing the fighting for them.
Agreed 100%, but what does that have to do with supporting Israel?
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Actually no they wouldn't you fucking idiot. Pick up a book occasionally and read about the 6 days war. Israel actually gave back 90% of the land it won (outnumbered 600+ to 1) after destroying the surrounding terrorists states in an effort to produce peace with Egypt. So far so good until recently. If we took our leash off Israel the result would be genocide the other way.
the times are different now my friend.
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Yeah - today it would be a 6 minute war vs a 6 day war as Israel would stomp those fools into oblivion if the took the gloves off.
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Looks like The Coach decided not to respond. I'm not surprised.
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thats how stupid most americanos are,, isreal not only helped but actualy work very close with americana,,infact the israel shabaq work extremly close with fbi and cia,,the mossad also pretty much work very close with dna on things of urgent matter,,
Very good - pretty much the only Democratic state in the Middle East, with high technical companies, and understand what democracy is. Some of you wouldnt not beleive how advanced Israel is in its technology.
Only morons, Muslims and people who hate America want the United States to sever ties with Israel; That explains most of the responses in this thread. as the void is filled with radical islam
Yes, radical Islam is something that Europe is going to have to deal with very soon, and it is going to be much worse than they will think. They all apperciate Israel there.
america has no other friend beside isreal,,uk is in the friendship too,,
Oh, Israel has a ton of friends via countries. Except for the ones ruled by Arabs or ones that rely on the Arab states for oil, money and more.
You may not like it, but Israel is here to stay, and only is going to grow more and more, as radical Islam will affect more areas of the world. The battle won't be in Israel vs. the Palestinians, but these radicals bringing their way of life to try to influence around the world.
After all, who needs women to have rights? Who needs women to have a job? Be seen in public? Hey, complain in one of these countries about something, and you will be killed. Yes, this is what we want out there.
You all should be very happy that Israel is being the scapegoat to cover all the problems out there with radical Islam. Perhaps one day, when one of these guys comes and blows something dear to you, you will understand.
But hey, 9/11 didnt happen right... that was a conspiracy....
Must you be fed more bullshit instead of opening your eyes to the real world.
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Very good - pretty much the only Democratic state in the Middle East, with high technical companies, and understand what democracy is. Some of you wouldnt not beleive how advanced Israel is in its technology.
Yes, radical Islam is something that Europe is going to have to deal with very soon, and it is going to be much worse than they will think. They all apperciate Israel there.
Oh, Israel has a ton of friends via countries. Except for the ones ruled by Arabs or ones that rely on the Arab states for oil, money and more.
You may not like it, but Israel is here to stay, and only is going to grow more and more, as radical Islam will affect more areas of the world. The battle won't be in Israel vs. the Palestinians, but these radicals bringing their way of life to try to influence around the world.
After all, who needs women to have rights? Who needs women to have a job? Be seen in public? Hey, complain in one of these countries about something, and you will be killed. Yes, this is what we want out there.
You all should be very happy that Israel is being the scapegoat to cover all the problems out there with radical Islam. Perhaps one day, when one of these guys comes and blows something dear to you, you will understand.
But hey, 9/11 didnt happen right... that was a conspiracy....
Must you be fed more bullshit instead of opening your eyes to the real world.
Israel is not technologically advanced unless you mean by getting free weapons tech from US. All they do is have a silicon valley so to speak and invite foreign companies to come and have all kinds of intensives so it can look like they are developing stuff, when really it is those foreign companies, but jews like to take credit for others peoples work all the time so no surprise.
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Are you really that freaking stupid?
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You may not like it, but Israel is here to stay, and only is going to grow more and more, as radical Islam will affect more areas of the world. The battle won't be in Israel vs. the Palestinians, but these radicals bringing their way of life to try to influence around the world.
Israel can be wiped off the map with a few strategic nuclear bombs, it's not that big :) it will create a wasteland and people will have to move away from this "holy site". Although I am sure the Jew's will whine enough to get another state drawn on the map for them to sit in and get free money and weapons. Biggest whiners in the history of any race.
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And who is gonna do that and deal the wrath of the rest of the world?
Unrealistic.
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And who is gonna do that and deal the wrath of the rest of the world?
Unrealistic.
The rest of the world would be happy dude, most people hate jews, Israel in particular, period, except far right wing conservative christian American's.
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No, if some nation, other than China or Russia ( which they wouldn't) decided to launch nukes at israel they would get flattened in a heartbeat. It will never happen and only Jews haters would rejoice. BFD.
Hence, your assertion was very unrealistic.
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Israel can be wiped off the map with a few strategic nuclear bombs, it's not that big :) it will create a wasteland and people will have to move away from this "holy site". Although I am sure the Jew's will whine enough to get another state drawn on the map for them to sit in and get free money and weapons. Biggest whiners in the history of any race.
isreal has more nuclear bombs than all other countries aside from americana and russia,,so no isral can nto be wiped ,,infact the israeli airforce has the best pilots so....i would consider israel more advanced airforce wise than russia ,,and pretty much on americana level,,but americana and israel is same thing,,same country
isreal is not using its power at full force ,,usualy they use it at 30% ,,if they used 50-60% they would wipe enemys within couple days,,
gh15 approved
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isreal has more nuclear bombs than all other countries aside from americana and russia,,so no isral can nto be wiped ,,infact the israeli airforce has the best pilots so....i would consider israel more advanced airforce wise than russia ,,and pretty much on americana level,,but americana and israel is same thing,,same country
isreal is not using its power at full force ,,usualy they use it at 30% ,,if they used 50-60% they would wipe enemys within couple days,,
gh15 approved
it only takes a few nukes to get by israel's air defense to destroy the whole drawn on map country. You send 1000 rockets, 100 of them nukes, 900 fakes, a few nukes will get by and destroy them. Simple math. Yes Israel can launch a few nukes off before they get incinerated, but at who, they will have to guess who to fire at, rockets coming from every direction because they are surrounded by enemies for a reason, they are scum.
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No, if some nation, other than China or Russia ( which they wouldn't) decided to launch nukes at israel they would get flattened in a heartbeat. It will never happen and only Jews haters would rejoice. BFD.
Hence, your assertion was very unrealistic.
most of the world hates jews/Israel in particular, so yes most of the world would rejoice.
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it only takes a few nukes to get by israel's air defense to destroy the whole drawn on map country. You send 1000 rockets, 100 of them nukes, 900 fakes, a few nukes will get by and destroy them. Simple math. Yes Israel can launch a few nukes off before they get incinerated, but at who, they will have to guess who to fire at, rockets coming from every direction because they are surrounded by enemies for a reason, they are scum.
israel can not be destroyed,,it is probably the strongest contry in the world,,any atempt would create war world 3...but i suggest you pay attention to what happen to iran in the near future,,near = 2-3 years,,pay attention to how super power like israel does its thing,,follow it,, it will be worth to follow,,and yes israel militarily is super power
gh15 appoved
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most of the world hates jews/Israel in particular, so yes most of the world would rejoice.
Nope, most of the world aren't primitive simple minded baboons that would rejoice in millions of people dying.
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Israel = God's chosen people.
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Nope, most of the world aren't primitive simple minded baboons that would rejoice in millions of people dying.
Yeah, but most of the people posting in this thread are.
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Israel = God's chosen people.
if you believe fairy tales.
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israel can not be destroyed,,it is probably the strongest contry in the world,,any atempt would create war world 3...but i suggest you pay attention to what happen to iran in the near future,,near = 2-3 years,,pay attention to how super power like israel does its thing,,follow it,, it will be worth to follow,,and yes israel militarily is super power
gh15 appoved
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im not going to piss the real god,,not me sorry ,,and the jews are his people ,,so im with the jews till the end of days ,,through good and bad
gh15 approved
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jews = chosen people,,proven through out history ,,you piss off their god you are doomed,,the end
gh15 approved
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anyone who dare try to fuck with gh15 very well may end up dead. A little birdie told me that there is a large number of Israeli bodybuilders who are quite the followers of gh15. Make no mistake about it thousands of prayers sent every day from Israel that travel through keyboard to gh15's home..
" For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments"
pretty much sums up gh15 and his work right there.
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if you believe fairy tales.
your boss is Jewish
The dude fucking your wife is Jewish
The dude who owns your shitty ass apartment is Jewish.
the guy who bailed you out of getting your family killed by the angry Italians is Jewish
and for fun the best looking bodybuilders to ever live was Jewish aka Dennis Newman and Sagi Kalev
yall be smart now, alrighty boe :D
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your boss is Jewish
The dude fucking your wife is Jewish
The dude who owns your shitty ass apartment is Jewish.
the guy who bailed you out of getting your family killed by the angry Italians is Jewish
and for fun the best looking bodybuilders to ever live was Jewish aka Dennis Newman and Sagi Kalev
yall be smart now, alrighty boe :D
are you done spewing out lies now? Also please refrain from posting gay pictures in this thread dude, masturbate to your jewish bodybuilding pictures by yourself :)
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Hahahahaha, the Liberal band of short bussed idiots in this thread. Hahahahahahahahaha. Carry on, this is entertaining ;D
I think you have it wrong. It is liberals that blindly support Israel at the expense of the USA. Regardless the liberal vs conservative argument is getting old. Why not call it a pro Israel vs pro American stance? Because most issue that are pro Israeli ends up being a negative for America.