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http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/06/01/233044/ryan-end-medicare-as-we-know-it/ (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/06/01/233044/ryan-end-medicare-as-we-know-it/)
Paul Ryan: ‘Obamacare Ends Medicare As We Know It’
By Igor Volsky on Jun 1, 2011 at 11:00 am
Republicans kicked up their efforts to attack Democrats on Medicare from the left this afternoon when Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) appeared on Fox News to argue that it’s actually the Affordable Care Act that “ends Medicare as we know it”:
RYAN: Millions of dollars of negative ads are being run to try and scare seniors and trying to confuse seniors. You know, the irony of this Bill, is with all this Mediscare that the Democrats are running, it’s Obamacare itself that ends Medicare as we know it. Obamacare takes half a trillion dollars from Medicare — not to make it more solvent but to spend on this other government program, Obamacare. And then it creates this 15 panel board of unelected, unaccountable, bureaucrats starting next year to price control and ration Medicare for current seniors.
Watch it:
It does no such thing. The ACA reduced annual increases in payments to hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, home health agencies, and other institutions to spur productivity and cut overpayments to private insurers that are not delivering value for Medicare dollars. It used that money to expand coverage to 32 million Americans — many of whom were receiving uncompensated care at these institutions — to extend the life of the Medicare program and invest in new demonstration projects that aim to encourage providers to deliver quality care more efficiently. Seniors’ guaranteed benefits are in no way affected.
The “15 panel board,” as Ryan calls it, is actually the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). It will include individuals from across the health care field, all of whom will have to be confirmed by the Senate. Significantly, their proposal to reduce spending cannot “include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost- sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria” (Section 3403 (page 409) of the Affordable Care Act stipulates.)
Policy wonks believe that the board and the payment reforms can help reduce costs in a transparent process and Ryan himself proposed a very similar commission in 2009 and maintains many of the ACA’s Medicare cuts in his plan. In fact, Ryan’s Patients’ Choice Act (PCA) sought to establish “two governmental bodies to broadly apply cost effectiveness research” and had more teeth than the ACA, including provisions to allow for penalties for physicians who did not follow the guidelines.”
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Obamacare stole 500 billion out pf medicare and sets out rationing boards.
Another bullshit article kneepadding obamacare.
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Obamacare stole 500 billion out pf medicare and sets out rationing boards.
Another bullshit article kneepadding obamacare.
Lol "stole" ::)
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Lol "stole" ::)
Yes it did - how about you read something for once? It took 500 billion out of medicare to fund another entitlement.
But its ok - keep buying into the lies of obama - its pure comedy.
If you have five minutes watch this - notice how ZERO had no answer for this when it was brought to his attetion?
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How about you not being a spin tool for once. ::). Hell, it was only 1 word. ::)
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How about you not being a spin tool for once. ::). Hell, it was only 1 word. ::)
Because stole is a proper word - watch Ryans' slicing and dicing of obamacare and Obama has no answer whatsoever when it i pointed out to him.
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Because stole is a proper word - watch Ryans' slicing and dicing of obamacare and Obama has no answer whatsoever when it i pointed out to him.
Stole implies theft, theft is a crime. Go make a citizens arrest then, spin boy.
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Stole implies theft, theft is a crime. Go make a citizens arrest then, spin boy.
::) ::)
Ryan cleary showed how they took 500 BILLION out of medicare to fund another entitlement and obama tried to cover it up, all at a time when medcare is already going broke.
What do you call that?
Oh thats right - you voted this. You called it HOPE & CHANGE
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::) ::)
Ryan cleary showed how they took 500 BILLION out of medicare to fund another entitlement and obama tried to cover it up, all at a time when medcare is already going broke.
What do you call that?
Oh thats right - you voted this. You called it HOPE & CHANGE
He did not " steal" the money. He "took" the money from one area and put it to use in another.
ANd i did not vote for this spin boy. ::)
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He did not " steal" the money. He "took" the money from one area and put it to use in another.
ANd i did not vote for this spin boy. ::)
And this is already when medicare is going broke! So again - what do you call that?
Criminal negligence?
Recklessness?
Incompetence?
What?
For 95% of the morons who voted for Obama the first time, they call it "but Bush did it too, but bush was worse, your a teabagger, your greedy," etc.
Ha ha ha - and you people who voted for this wonder why the economy keeps getting worse and worse. ::) ::)
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And this is already when medicare is going broke! So again - what do you call that?
Criminal negligence?
Recklessness?
Incompetence?
What?
For 95% of the morons who voted for Obama the first time, they call it "but Bush did it too, but bush was worse, your a teabagger, your greedy," etc.
Ha ha ha - and you people who voted for this wonder why the economy keeps getting worse and worse. ::) ::)
Its not theft spin boy. ::)
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Its not theft spin boy. ::)
So what label do you ascribe to to taking 500 billion out of a program already going broke in order to fund a new open ended entitlement at a time we are 14 Trillion in the hole?
Tell me - I want to hear this explanation.
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So what label do you ascribe to to taking 500 billion out of a program already going broke in order to fund a new open ended entitlement at a time we are 14 Trillion in the hole?
Tell me - I want to hear this explanation.
What would I label it? Not stealing ::)
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What would I label it? Not stealing ::)
Yawn - nice deflection.
Tell me your thoughts on that? I gave you mine and you disagree.
AND YES IT IS STEALING OZMO - PEOPLE PAID TAXES INTO MEDICARE VIA PAYROLL TAX DEDUCTIONS FOR IT TO BE THERE FOR THEM WHEN THEY RETIRE - NOT FOR OBAMA TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND FUND A NEW ENTITLEMENT THEY WILL NOT GET.
So yes, it is stealing.
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Yawn - nice deflection.
Tell me your thoughts on that? I gave you mine and you disagree.
AND YES IT IS STEALING OZMO - PEOPLE PAID TAXES INTO MEDICARE VIA PAYROLL TAX DEDUCTIONS FOR IT TO BE THERE FOR THEM WHEN THEY RETIRE - NOT FOR OBAMA TO TAKE THAT MONEY AND FUND A NEW ENTITLEMENT THEY WILL NOT GET.
So yes, it is stealing.
The government "reassigns funds" from time to time.
Geez, I think you have spun yourself dumb.
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So that makes it ok right?
So I pay taxes all my life into medicare, then oama comes along and takes that money to fund a new entitlement I will never get, and somehowthat is ok with you?
Good job bro - vote for obama again - you deserve him.
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Was it in his right as POTUS to reassign these funds?
Did he break any laws?
Whether its ok or not is purely a matter of opinion. Whether he stole or not is a matter of law.
BTW, its not OK with me.
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Was it in his right as POTUS to reassign these funds?
Did he break any laws?
Whether its ok or not is purely a matter of opinion. Whether he stole or not is a matter of law.
BTW, its not OK with me.
Yawn - just because something is techincally not "illegal" does not make it right. Same with bama's new war in Lybia.
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Yawn - just because something is techincally not "illegal" does not make it right. Same with bama's new war in Lybia.
And it also doesn't make something its not, spin boy.
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And it also doesn't make something its not, spin boy.
Yeah ok - keep your head in the sand.
Ryan laid it out in explicit detail how obama scammed this whole mess, had no answer for it whatsoever, but somehow I am supposed to hate on Ryan now?
Sorry - Ryan is the only one trying to be honest about this mess. Too bad the ostritches still blind to reality cant see how badly they were scammed by the messiah.
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Yeah ok - keep your head in the sand.
Ryan laid it out in explicit detail how obama scammed this whole mess, had no answer for it whatsoever, but somehow I am supposed to hate on Ryan now?
Sorry - Ryan is the only one trying to be honest about this mess. Too bad the ostritches still blind to reality cant see how badly they were scammed by the messiah.
Keeping it free from BULL SHIT is keeping my head in the sand? ::), No i prefer to keep my head out of both bull shit and sand.
Ryan is spinning some of it too; that's what the article is about.
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Keeping it free from BULL SHIT is keeping my head in the sand? ::), No i prefer to keep my head out of both bull shit and sand.
Ryan is spinning some of it too; that's what the article is about.
How?
1. They took 500 billion out of medicare from taxes people paid in to it to fund another bullshit entitlement
2. It sets up rationing boards in medicare itself.
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How?
1. They took 500 billion out of medicare from taxes people paid in to it to fund another bullshit entitlement
2. It sets up rationing boards in medicare itself.
Read the article, perhaps you can refute some of what they are refuting regarding Ryan's premise. That's one of the reasons i posted it, so people can discuss whether or not Ryan is spinning or not using factual information, not spin to justify spin.
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This is the same $500 billion that the Obama administration and CBO double counted. What a scam! Yes. That is the perfect word to describe Obamacare. SCAM!!
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Why do you care if they took money from medicare 333?
You are AGAINST medicare as well.
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Why do you care if they took money from medicare 333?
You are AGAINST medicare as well.
Because they used the money to create an entirely new entitlement program, not save the already bankrupt medicare system.
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Because they used the money to create an entirely new entitlement program, not save the already bankrupt medicare system.
Save? Haha don't you mean abolish. It's a bit rich to complain about changes to a program you want gone anyway.