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Government Against Blacks
By John Stossel
The other day, I went to Times Square to ask people what government should do to help poor people. Most everyone agreed on the answer: "more social programs and a higher minimum wage."
It's intuitive to think that way. I used to think that, too. When President Johnson declared a "war on poverty," he said "compassionate government" was the road to prosperity for poor people. That made sense to me. At Princeton, I was taught that government's central planners had the solution to poverty.
But then I watched them work. Government spent trillions of dollars on poverty programs, and the poverty level stayed stuck at about 12 percent of the population. It's stayed there for about 40 years.
Now I understand that that government poverty programs encourage people to stay dependent. There's money in it. They policymakers would have known this 25 years ago had they read "The State Against Blacks." The author, an economist, said poverty programs destroy the natural mechanisms that have always enabled poor people to lift themselves out of poverty.
That author is Walter Williams of George Mason University. Williams, who is black, says "there's a huge segment of the black population for whom upward mobility is elusive, and it's because of the welfare state -- [AZ2]because of government."
Williams elaborates in a new book, "Race and Economics." A chief culprit, he insists, is the minimum wage.
"Let's not look at the intentions behind minimum wage," he said. "We have to ask, what are the effects? Put yourself in the place of an employer who must pay $7.25 no matter whom you hire. Will that employer hire a person who can only add $3 or $4 of value per hour?"
He will not. And so fewer young people get hired and "get their feet on the bottom rung of the economic ladder." This hurts all young people, but black teens most, he says, because "many of them get a fraudulent education in the public school system. So a law that discriminates against low-skill people has a doubly negative effect on black teenagers. The unemployment rate among black teens today is unprecedented in U.S. history. In the '40s, black teenage unemployment was less than white teenage unemployment."
And yet a Pew survey says 83 percent of Americans support raising the minimum wage.
"People have the misguided notion that the minimum wage is an antipoverty tool."
Economists understand the truth. A survey of the American Economic Association found that 90 percent of economists say the minimum wage increases unemployment.
Williams says the minimum wage law has also been a tool of racism. In his book "South Africa's War Against Capitalism," he studied that country's labor markets during apartheid:
"White racist unions in South Africa that would never have a black as a member were the major supporters of minimum wage laws. Their stated purpose was to protect white workers from having to compete with low-skill, low-wage black workers. In the United States we found some of the same reasoning for support of a super minimum-wage law," the Davis-Bacon Act, which forces taxpayers to pay union-like wages for government-funded construction projects.
"The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery (and Jim Crow and racism) could not have done ... break up the black family. Today, just slightly over 30 percent of black kids live in two-parent families. Historically, from the 1870s on ... 75-90 percent of black kids lived in two-parent families."
Why does the welfare state create illegitimacy?
"(Without welfare,) people would decide, 'I'm going to go out and get a job, I'm going to live more responsibly.'" And that would include getting married before having children, something the welfare system discourages.
I believe the creators of the welfare state had good intentions, but good intentions aren't good enough. Even if deficit spending were not bankrupting America -- which it is -- America should end these programs.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/01/government_against_blacks_110051-2.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/01/government_against_blacks_110051-2.html)
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Great post MCWAY!
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Racist thread reported.
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Government Against Blacks
By John Stossel
The other day, I went to Times Square to ask people what government should do to help poor people. Most everyone agreed on the answer: "more social programs and a higher minimum wage."
It's intuitive to think that way. I used to think that, too. When President Johnson declared a "war on poverty," he said "compassionate government" was the road to prosperity for poor people. That made sense to me. At Princeton, I was taught that government's central planners had the solution to poverty.
But then I watched them work. Government spent trillions of dollars on poverty programs, and the poverty level stayed stuck at about 12 percent of the population. It's stayed there for about 40 years.
Now I understand that that government poverty programs encourage people to stay dependent. There's money in it. They policymakers would have known this 25 years ago had they read "The State Against Blacks." The author, an economist, said poverty programs destroy the natural mechanisms that have always enabled poor people to lift themselves out of poverty.
That author is Walter Williams of George Mason University. Williams, who is black, says "there's a huge segment of the black population for whom upward mobility is elusive, and it's because of the welfare state -- [AZ2]because of government."
Williams elaborates in a new book, "Race and Economics." A chief culprit, he insists, is the minimum wage.
"Let's not look at the intentions behind minimum wage," he said. "We have to ask, what are the effects? Put yourself in the place of an employer who must pay $7.25 no matter whom you hire. Will that employer hire a person who can only add $3 or $4 of value per hour?"
He will not. And so fewer young people get hired and "get their feet on the bottom rung of the economic ladder." This hurts all young people, but black teens most, he says, because "many of them get a fraudulent education in the public school system. So a law that discriminates against low-skill people has a doubly negative effect on black teenagers. The unemployment rate among black teens today is unprecedented in U.S. history. In the '40s, black teenage unemployment was less than white teenage unemployment."
And yet a Pew survey says 83 percent of Americans support raising the minimum wage.
"People have the misguided notion that the minimum wage is an antipoverty tool."
Economists understand the truth. A survey of the American Economic Association found that 90 percent of economists say the minimum wage increases unemployment.
Williams says the minimum wage law has also been a tool of racism. In his book "South Africa's War Against Capitalism," he studied that country's labor markets during apartheid:
"White racist unions in South Africa that would never have a black as a member were the major supporters of minimum wage laws. Their stated purpose was to protect white workers from having to compete with low-skill, low-wage black workers. In the United States we found some of the same reasoning for support of a super minimum-wage law," the Davis-Bacon Act, which forces taxpayers to pay union-like wages for government-funded construction projects.
"The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery (and Jim Crow and racism) could not have done ... break up the black family. Today, just slightly over 30 percent of black kids live in two-parent families. Historically, from the 1870s on ... 75-90 percent of black kids lived in two-parent families."
Why does the welfare state create illegitimacy?
"(Without welfare,) people would decide, 'I'm going to go out and get a job, I'm going to live more responsibly.'" And that would include getting married before having children, something the welfare system discourages.
I believe the creators of the welfare state had good intentions, but good intentions aren't good enough. Even if deficit spending were not bankrupting America -- which it is -- America should end these programs.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/01/government_against_blacks_110051-2.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/01/government_against_blacks_110051-2.html)
You do know you are citing a hardcore, antiwar, antidrugwar libertarian? Just sayin'....
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You do know you are citing a hardcore, antiwar, antidrugwar libertarian? Just sayin'....
GASP!!! ::)
The truth is the truth, regardless of who cites it.
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Sad reality is that too many blacks have bought into the socialist marxist garbage and don't understand that the cause of a lot of their plight is not whitey, but flawed economic beliefs and the govt itself.
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Sad reality is that too many blacks have bought into the socialist marxist garbage and don't understand that the cause of a lot of their plight is not whitey, but flawed economic beliefs and the govt itself.
Couple that with their being political Esaus, trading in their spiritual and cultural birthright for a hunk of government cheese.
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Couple that with their being political Esaus, trading in their spiritual and cultural birthright for a hunk of government cheese.
Another thing - blacks keep silent on illegal immigration for some bizarre reason when they are the ones hurt the most by it!
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Another thing - blacks keep silent on illegal immigration for some bizarre reason when they are the ones hurt the most by it!
Fortunately, they aren't quite as silent, when it comes to the school voucher thing, though they were locklipped when Obama shut down the DC Opportunity Scholarship program, which Boehner has helped to get reinstated.
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Social programs are a great idea, they just have yet to be put into practice on a largely effective scale. As noted when you don't have an incentive to work, you probably won't work. The flip side is when you have no opportunity to work, you can't work or feel trapped. A social program that gives opportunity to those who would otherwise not have it is the answer. How do you do that? I don't know.
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Social programs are a great idea, they just have yet to be put into practice on a largely effective scale. As noted when you don't have an incentive to work, you probably won't work. The flip side is when you have no opportunity to work, you can't work or feel trapped. A social program that gives opportunity to those who would otherwise not have it is the answer. How do you do that? I don't know.
Very simple - you don't work - you dont eat.
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Very simple - you don't work - you dont eat.
And what if you can't get a job? What if you are disabled? Or un-educated through no fault of your own other than going to an under funded school which didn't teach you anything? What then? You starve?
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And what if you can't get a job? What if you are disabled? Or un-educated through no fault of your own other than going to an under funded school which didn't teach you anything? What then? You starve?
Not the disabled, but yes. you would be amazed at whatpeople are capable of when they are forced to do something.
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Not the disabled, but yes. you would be amazed at whatpeople are capable of when they are forced to do something.
QFT-- I once threw a blind paraplegic into a river with strong currents and alligators. He nearly made it to the other side before drowning.
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Very simple - you don't work - you dont eat.
2 Thessalonians 3:10.
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QFT-- I once threw a blind paraplegic into a river with strong currents and alligators. He nearly made it to the other side before drowning.
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2 Thessalonians 3:10.
Hahaha here come the cherry picked bible passages!
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Hahaha here come the cherry picked bible passages!
How is it cherry picked? Can you come up with Bible verses that condone and enable lazy socialists?
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;D
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Hahaha here come the cherry picked bible passages!
That simply sourcing 333386's statement.
Nothing in Scripture condones subsidizing the lazy and there are passages in Deu. 24, for example, that cite examples of how to help the poor, the widows, and orphans.
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This can all be solved by depopulation or incentives given to not have children and abortion. Hope this helps.
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This can all be solved by depopulation or incentives given to not have children and abortion. Hope this helps.
And how do you for all te entitlement program promises if no oneelse is around?
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this is so awesome..
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This can all be solved by depopulation or incentives given to not have children and abortion. Hope this helps.
DEAD WRONG!! It can be solved by getting this FOOL, Barack Obama, and his left winged cronies out of office, and replace them with people who actually have a clue on how to get jobs rolling.
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And how do you for all te entitlement program promises if no oneelse is around?
As the population diminishes amongst the poor (who have the highest birth rate) social programs can be adjusted down accordingly. Its quite simple really.
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DEAD WRONG!! It can be solved by getting this FOOL, Barack Obama, and his left winged cronies out of office, and replace them with people who actually have a clue on how to get jobs rolling.
Yes, because social programs cease to magically exist when Republicans take office right? ::)
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This can all be solved by depopulation or incentives given to not have children and abortion. Hope this helps.
Less babies, to support a welfare state? That's backwards, isn't it?
To support a welfare state, you need more babies, future workers whom to tax in order to support social programs.
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Less babies, to support a welfare state? That's backwards, isn't it?
To support a welfare state, you need more babies, future workers whom to tax in order to support social programs.
Again, Less Babies, Less Need for a Welfare State, More resources become available thus a decrease in Social Welfare.
Of course we also need to cut the military and corporate welfare, but Republicans don`t want to hear any of that,
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It's funny that not once has anyone in this thread mentioned monetary policy...even though the Fed and company are in large part responsible for this mess.
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Again, Less Babies, Less Need for a Welfare State, More resources become available thus a decrease in Social Welfare.
Of course we also need to cut the military and corporate welfare, but Republicans don`t want to hear any of that,
You will always have lazy people who don't want to work, but are ready to take handouts from anyone willing to provide them.
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Again, Less Babies, Less Need for a Welfare State, More resources become available thus a decrease in Social Welfare.
Of course we also need to cut the military and corporate welfare, but Republicans don`t want to hear any of that,
WRONG AGAIN!! More people being responsible for their babies, less need for a welfare state.
We don't need to cut our military, as it's being overstretched as it is. How utterly STUPID is that, decreasing our ability to defend ourselves and our allies, to give more money to welfare leeches and people who can work but won't work.
Yes, because social programs cease to magically exist when Republicans take office right? ::)
I said nothing about getting rid of social programs, O phonically challenged one. Of course, when the GOP ran Clinton's administration, we had welfare reform, ergo, if people don't get off their behinds and look for (and actually GET) jobs, they get no food stamps. Notice how quickly their dependence on the government DROPPED.
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As the population diminishes amongst the poor (who have the highest birth rate) social programs can be adjusted down accordingly. Its quite simple really.
Or we can have the population control bubbas (most of them lazy liberals anyway) lead by example.
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Or we can have the population control bubbas (most of them lazy liberals anyway) lead by example.
McWay - did you see that black UE is rising even faster than other in Barrys' economy?
Sadly -the morons and dipshits that still support this admn will ne ver be able to figure out why that is.
Freaking morons.
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McWay - did you see that black UE is rising even faster than other in Barrys' economy?
Sadly -the morons and dipshits that still support this admn will ne ver be able to figure out why that is.
Freaking morons.
Oh, I've seen it. I've seen it for months. It goes back to my theory (which is proving to be more FACT): Anything that's bad for white people is TWICE AS BAD for black people in this country.
When taxes get raised and businessmen started hauling tail and laying people off, who's the first to get whacked? Black people.
When our misguided president imposed his drilling moratorium, does he not think that black people who work in the oil industry (at all levels) get crushed?
As the election comes into full swing, Obama will get the usual suspects to attempt to deflect the blame from him and cast all the woes on all those evil rich white Republicans. Cue Jackson, Sharpton et. al. to scare our people into believing that voting Republican is one step shy of sticking us back in the fields to pick cotton and sing spirituals.
I'd love to see what those silly women are saying NOW (the one who yapped about not having to worry about gas in her car or paying her mortgage, and the other going to get her "Obama money" that the Prez supposedly keeps in his stash).
54,000 jobs last month....HALF of which were from Mickey D's. Hope and change, my @$$!!!
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The most absurd idea I hear from liberal blacks, or anyone else for that matter, is that they want the same govt that enslaved them and prepetuated institutional racism against them to somehow save them now and get more involved inthe economy, society, etc.
Does it really get any more bizarre than that? Seriously. I can't think of a more whacked out notion than liberal blacks looking to the Federal Govt to save them and right past wrongs. Its like victims of Bernie Madoff asking to back and try to get financial advice from him again.
I mean really? Its like dropping one set of chains and begging for another. Sad, really fucking sad.
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There's a video out for this particular show. It should be on YouTube but I can't upload it from where I am right now. It was on TV yesterday and discusses how welfare, regulations, drug war, minimum wage increases, etc.. all hurt minorities more then they help.
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The most absurd idea I hear from liberal blacks, or anyone else for that matter, is that they want the same govt that enslaved them and prepetuated institutional racism against them to somehow save them now and get more involved inthe economy, society, etc.
Does it really get any more bizarre than that? Seriously. I can't think of a more whacked out notion than liberal blacks looking to the Federal Govt to save them and right past wrongs. Its like victims of Bernie Madoff asking to back and try to get financial advice from him again.
I mean really? Its like dropping one set of chains and begging for another. Sad, really fucking sad.
It's this cracked mentality that the government is somehow going to give reparations for slavery. That's not going to happen. And, the sooner black people realize this, the better off they'll be and the FASTER we'll start doing for ourselves and being independent, as we were back in the day (when we basically had little or no choice).
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Nevermind, got it. The first one is good.
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Nevermind, got it. The first one is good.
This came on Fox late last night. I saw parts of this, while trying to put my son to sleep.
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Walter Williams is far too advanced for the average brain dead leftist.
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Walter Williams is far too advanced for the average brain dead leftist.
He'll get skewered as a sellout by the usual suspects.
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He'll get skewered as a sellout by the usual suspects.
This is why I really dont give a shit about liberal blacks like you know you calling me racist or whatever. They are idiots and morons. Sad sacks of shit who knowingly choose to follow a failed bullshit agenda. Fuck em. If they think Im racist for pointing out their delusions, fine.
Whats even funnier is that they think milquetoast, pasty, panzi ass left wing guilt ridden whites actually give a damn about them either.
There are plenty of other blacks trying to tell them the truth and open their mind to reality, if only they will break away from their chains of failed socialist ideas.
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Boom
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Ruinously Incompetent Obama Regime is Black America's Worst Enemy
Reaganite Republican ^ | July 22, 2011 | Reaganite Republican
"History is going to say that the black middle class was decimated..."
Seems like the flexible Chicago Machine template for exploiting the minority vote -where Obama/Jarrett/Rezko profited from government projects while South Side blacks they promised new apartments got crumbling, unsafe slums instead- was (predictably) scaled-up to the national level for Obamanomics: over-promise, under-deliver, and take real good care of all your fellow racketeers in the process.
Now that the False Messiah has blown trillion$ of the next two generation's money on would-be economic stimuli, myriad bailouts, and other misguided largesse, again crony-capitalist backers like GE and Jeffrey Immelt are doing just great while impressionable plebes of all sorts who pinned their future on hopenchange find themselves facing-down almost 10% unemployment while hanging by a thread economically.
Indeed, Obama has almost succeeded in transforming a large section of the US middle class into entitlement-addicted serfs with no home equity and little optimism... just the way he likes 'em. But it's American blacks who have really been taking the brunt of it, and it appears that for the first time in his cosseted, auto-pilot political career, Barack Obama might be held responsible for actual results... and they are crap.
Millions hoodwinked by the MSM in 2008 are also experiencing the dawning realization that George W Bush was not the cause of the mortgage crisis, as federally-mandated lending to unqualified individuals based upon social/racial criteria was clearly what set the trap that devoured so much of American blacks' wealth... this a creation of fiscally reckless congressional Democrats like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd
And as we all decried unemployment edging-up "unexpectedly" to 9.2% nationally for July, consider that black unemployment is at a ghastly 16.2% (!) Add in those who've given up looking for work and we are talking more like 25+% black unemployed in the US today. But it can always get worse... Detroit admits to having over 30% of blacks seeking a job, plus the quitters and it's over 50%...
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By 2009, the median net worth for white households had fallen 24 percent to $97,860; the median net worth for black households had fallen 83 percent to $2,170, according to the institute.
Austin described the wealth gap this way: “In 2009, for every dollar of wealth the average white household had, black households only had two cents.”
Austin thinks more black people than ever before could fall out of the middle class because the unemployment rate for college-educated blacks recently peaked and blacks are overrepresented in state and local government jobs. Those are jobs that are being eliminated because of massive budget shortfalls.
Since the end of the recession, which lasted from 2007 to 2009, the overall unemployment rate has fallen from 9.4 to 9.1 percent, while the black unemployment rate has risen from 14.7 to 16.2 percent, according to the Department of Labor. Last April, black male unemployment hit the highest rate since the government began keeping track in 1972. Only 56.9 percent of black men over 20 were working, compared with 68.1 percent of white men.
Even college-educated blacks fared worse than their white counterparts in the recession. In 2007, unemployment for college-educated whites was 1.8 percent; for college-educated blacks it was 2.7 percent. Now, the college-educated unemployment rate is 3.9 percent for whites and 7 percent for blacks.
Nearly 8 percent of African Americans who bought homes from 2005 to 2008 have lost them to foreclosure, compared with 4.5 percent of whites, according to an estimate by the Center for Responsible Lending.
Some see a bitter irony in soaring black unemployment and the decline of the black middle class on the watch of the first black president...
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Beside feeling that irony, hopefully many of the 95+% of black folks who voted for Obama will also come to realize that if you blindly back a politician based on his skin color without any real due diligence or balanced consideration of alternatives, all you do is set yourself up to be used: they tell you what you want to hear and you're putty in their hands... and don't expect any gratitude from these populist con-artists, either.
Obama's big promises? lol- that was all Bovine Scatology, my friends. Assuming he ever wanted to help anybody but himself from the start, the man obviously lacks the management skill-set to deliver... as we are all so painfully experiencing together now.
The sad truth is that Barack Obama has heavily damaged black America in three ways: he's taken away much of their hard-won financial independence.... he's poisoned race relations with a totally unneeded, outdated, and vengeful victimhood narrative... and he's crushed the hopes and dreams of millions of African Americans by exposing himself -America's First Black President- as an embittered incompetent that's simply in way, way over his head.
Send a message to those who've abused your faith and took you for granted, black America... vote Republican
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