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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: mesmorph78 on June 06, 2011, 04:49:06 AM
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Ok I know there has been a lot of noise about Kai since the new york pro
A lot of people are saying he can beat Jay. I personally can't see it and I think Phil Heath has a better chance, kai doesn't have a pretty physique wide waiste like jay huge torso, ... He is wide Jay is wider he is big Jay is bigger.... Where as phil though not super wide has round full muscle bellies ... And great muscle shape...
What do you guys think who stands a better chance?
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there both shitty but so is jay, its not about great physiques anymore today.
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Phil though not super wide .. Does have nice lines and muscle shape
Something neither Jay or Kai have ... And he had good muscle shape.... I see him beating Jay ahead of Kai
That's if Jay is allowed to be beaten
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OK I know there has been a lot of noise about Kai since the new york pro
A lot of people are saying he can beat Jay. I personally can't see it and I think Phil Heath has a better chance, Kai doesn't have a pretty physique wide waist like jay huge torso, ... He is wide Jay is wider he is big Jay is bigger.... Where as Phil though not super wide has round full muscle bellies ... And great muscle shape...
What do you guys think who stands a better chance?
Not by much, they are near in size but Kai can present a freakier package cause he has a smaller bone structure. Jay could win from the front while Kai will win in the back shots, Legs are pretty even and I think Kai has better arms. Both have big midsections but Jay can hide his better.Basically boils down to conditioning, an 09 Cutler can't be beat, but if Jay misses and Kai is striated from head to toe I feel he is a better candidate then Phil, however Phil keeps improving and we are yet to see what a solid year off can do for him.
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its choosing between a bunch of fake muscled inflated clowns.
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I'd rather look like Phil than Kai, but in terms of what's needed to beat Jay, Kai has more of a chance assuming he comes into the contest in the condition he did at the New York Pro.
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Not by much, they are near in size but Kai can present a freakier package cause he has a smaller bone structure. Jay could win from the front while Kai will win in the back shots, Legs are pretty even and I think Kai has better arms. Both have big midsections but Jay can hide his better.Basically boils down to conditioning, an 09 Cutler can't be beat, but if Jay misses and Kai is striated from head to toe I feel he is a better candidate then Phil, however Phil keeps improving and we are yet to see what a solid year off can do for him.
I hear what your saying but I think jays and kais physique are too similiar
Can't out mass Jay .... And I don't personally think he can "out freak" Jay ....
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Jay doesn't look freaky if he comes in smooth
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Tough choice, a blown up insulina gh doll Philsulin Heath and a grapefruit fucking homo on a whole UGL of drugs, lets just stick the Cutler ;)
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jason cutler is probably the worst mr o ever ! ,,i mean i have not seen a worse less memorable mr o in my life time,,its hard to be worse than him ,,philsulina..he just dont have the parts.. he will get it probably because of the shit field you got to give it to someone hopefuly it wont be him since he really is a worse version of ken wheeler since he has no foundation nor calvicle width which make him look NOT IMPRESSIVE no matter how good muscle shape is and how blessed he is in the muscle bellie department,,he is all insulina and gh ,,kai has gut problem aside from that he can take it ,,it really come down to if dex jackson can bring it up a notch and nail conditon to the t because if yes he is mr o ,,he probably cant because he is about to finish his career and cant seem to drop the stupid size chase that give him 5lb of balonie over the peelness he used to have..
in reailty bodybuild is not in a good place,,you can blame insulina for that
gh15 approved
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It doesn't matter who looks better.
Like everything else in American society, it's chosen based on what will make the most money.
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Kai has a better chance, but in reality neither one will beat Jay. Bodybuilding is so weak right now that Jay could stay Mr. O for several more years.
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If it wasn't so corrupt I would have gotten my pro card already.
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jason cutler is probably the worst mr o ever ! ,,i mean i have not seen a worse less memorable mr o in my life time,,its hard to be worse than him ,,philsulina..he just dont have the parts.. he will get it probably because of the shit field you got to give it to someone hopefuly it wont be him since he really is a worse version of ken wheeler since he has no foundation nor calvicle width which make him look NOT IMPRESSIVE no matter how good muscle shape is and how blessed he is in the muscle bellie department,,he is all insulina and gh ,,kai has gut problem aside from that he can take it ,,it really come down to if dex jackson can bring it up a notch and nail conditon to the t because if yes he is mr o ,,he probably cant because he is about to finish his career and cant seem to drop the stupid size chase that give him 5lb of balonie over the peelness he used to have..
in reailty bodybuild is not in a good place,,you can blame insulina for that
gh15 approved
peelness = greatness
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Kai has more of a chance.
Then again, the 3 of them suck.
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Both Phil & Kai are Weider's athletes,have 90% of chance to win the Joe Weider's Mr.O 2011
I would place them :
1, Phil
2,Kai (if has haircut,then 1st)
3,Jay
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Not by much, they are near in size but Kai can present a freakier package cause he has a smaller bone structure. Jay could win from the front while Kai will win in the back shots, Legs are pretty even and I think Kai has better arms. Both have big midsections but Jay can hide his better.Basically boils down to conditioning, an 09 Cutler can't be beat, but if Jay misses and Kai is striated from head to toe I feel he is a better candidate then Phil, however Phil keeps improving and we are yet to see what a solid year off can do for him.
09 Jay had a shitty back, in real terms he can be beat by both...Jay is and has been easy to pick apart---fridge door, by fridge door...Jay cannot and will not repeat his 09 conditioning, it's like people thought that Flex
could repeat his 93 Arnold conditioning...it didn't happen...
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If jay Slips...I think that philsulina Heath can take it. Health always nails his conditioning it seems.
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jason cutler is probably the worst mr o ever ! ,,i mean i have not seen a worse less memorable mr o in my life time,,its hard to be worse than him ,,philsulina..he just dont have the parts.. he will get it probably because of the shit field you got to give it to someone hopefuly it wont be him since he really is a worse version of ken wheeler since he has no foundation nor calvicle width which make him look NOT IMPRESSIVE no matter how good muscle shape is and how blessed he is in the muscle bellie department,,he is all insulina and gh ,,kai has gut problem aside from that he can take it ,,it really come down to if dex jackson can bring it up a notch and nail conditon to the t because if yes he is mr o ,,he probably cant because he is about to finish his career and cant seem to drop the stupid size chase that give him 5lb of balonie over the peelness he used to have..
in reailty bodybuild is not in a good place,,you can blame insulina for that
gh15 approved
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If jay Slips...I think that philsulina Heath can take it. Health always nails his conditioning it seems.
Yes Phil is always in shape...
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If jay Slips...I think that philsulina Heath can take it. Health always nails his conditioning it seems.
Reality check.
It doesn't matter if someone slips.
They got money and sponsors and product deals and tons of shit riding on these guys. The winner is chosen in advance.
You didn't know that?
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i never liked jay physique and condition before !
but damn 09 the moment he walked in i said thats it ! Mr.O
repeating or not repeating what 09 is something no one knows even Jay himself.
it could be Jay, Phil or Kai ! or non
we wait and enjoy 2011 Olympia lineup.
but if you ask me i love to see victor martinez wining the show.
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I'd love for vic to win as he and dexter have the best physiques on stage
However vic doesn't seem capable of getting into top condition
If he does manage to it will be his show like it was in 2007
Right now though I can't explain it but Phil has the overall package....
Width aside I think this could be his year that's if the judges are looking for something new
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If everyone nails their previous best conditioning Jay has it.
If he isn't smooth, he has size and midsection over my pick for second place, Kai.
Phil is least likely to be smooth but he has to be dependent on others miscalculations. That's my take on this at least.
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if everyone nails their condition victor wins.... ..... IMO
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Kai has come a long long way and I know that dude is not messing around one bit. If he can nail his conditioning, I think he could take it. The guy has it all!
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Reality check.
It doesn't matter if someone slips.
They got money and sponsors and product deals and tons of shit riding on these guys. The winner is chosen in advance.
You didn't know that?
However, Imagine if Jay comes in looked like complete shit,fat, and flat..They will have to give it to the next guy...It's only fixed to a certain extent. Or else the IFBB will lose the little credibility left.
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Unflexed vs Flexed, gh15 broke down this pic. And he is right, take a look at this pic, and he is not that impressive aside from the striations in his legs. What we impressed with, was that this was the best condition Jay has been in...we compared this to his other looks, and this was mindblowing better. In short, Jay was the most improved---yet he still had a weak ass back. A back that most NPC level competitors could beat.
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Ok I know there has been a lot of noise about Kai since the new york pro
A lot of people are saying he can beat Jay. I personally can't see it and I think Phil Heath has a better chance, kai doesn't have a pretty physique wide waiste like jay huge torso, ... He is wide Jay is wider he is big Jay is bigger.... Where as phil though not super wide has round full muscle bellies ... And great muscle shape...
What do you guys think who stands a better chance?
Kai with dead-on conditioning can beat Jay
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Kai with dead-on conditioning can beat Jay
.... and what if jay is 2001 conditioned... or 2009?
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.... and what if jay is 2001 conditioned... or 2009?
Good question , I might have to go with Kai he can compete with Jay in size and he's a much more dynamic poser it might swing it his way.
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can a really peeled kai really compete size wise with jay.. Im doubtful of that
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only two people have beaten jay....
and they didnt do it with size .... it was with shape.....and lines....
victor and dex (yes vic beat him 2007 imo)
kai has near enough the same kind of physique as jay.... and a really peeled kai is not on par with jay size wise
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can a really peeled kai really compete size wise with jay.. Im doubtful of that
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Yes, turn them around, and it's all over for the Fridge---unplug him and watch the freon leak out
also, I think that they used Dex to punish Jay, that Jay cannot show up out of shape...at the tine Dex was deadly with his
conditioining, always on point. If Jay or anybody slips up---Dex has em.
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vic beat him soundly in 2007 too
shame about vics injury and death in his family
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Ok I know there has been a lot of noise about Kai since the new york pro
A lot of people are saying he can beat Jay. I personally can't see it and I think Phil Heath has a better chance, kai doesn't have a pretty physique wide waiste like jay huge torso, ... He is wide Jay is wider he is big Jay is bigger.... Where as phil though not super wide has round full muscle bellies ... And great muscle shape...
What do you guys think who stands a better chance?
Phil's conditioning is incredible but I really think Kai is the only one with the size necessary to take Jay right now. We know what happened when Phil came in at his best, and Jay still beat him. We have not seen Kai at his best against Jay yet but he would be closer to Jay size-wise so who knows? All three are awesome but Jay will not be improving while Phil definitely will be and Kai still has a few years too.
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Phil is always improving though... Kai if he comes in peeled won't be able to outsize Jay and his physique isn't pretty enough to beat jays... Unlike victor dexter and Heath
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victor martinez is lightyears better than philsulin headth
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victor martinez is lightyears better than philsulin headth
A 100% Victor will beat the 100% rest.
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A 100% Victor will beat the 100% rest.
You're imagining Victor with conditioning that he's never presented. After 10 years, he's either a) not going to suffer for that conditioning or b) not capable of it. A peeled Victor would win, but it won't happen.
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You're imagining Victor with conditioning that he's never presented. After 10 years, he's either a) not going to suffer for that conditioning or b) not capable of it. A peeled Victor would win, but it won't happen.
Guess you're right. He's one of those everlasting promises.
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Jocelyn????
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if jay and phil are off,and that has happened before,i could see branch winning it all,third last year and second the year before.
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if jay and phil are off,and that has happened before,i could see branch winning it all,third last year and second the year before.
branch wont ever win horrible physique...
phil has only ever been off once