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Post a picture of what you think a decent natty lifter should look like. 100% lifetime natty.
I'm not talking about a ball sling warrior. I'm talking about a normal guy, a gym rat or a guy who just lifts semi-seriously. What should they look like?
I posted a thread like this a long time ago and it got filled with pictures of the best natural lifters in history. And also lots of unnaturals. Let's get real here. What do you think a good natty gym rat physique is? Not the best in the world. Just the average good build.
I think a lot of you all have unrealistic expectations myself. But we'll see.
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I'll start. (Yes I know this guy looks like a metrosexual cum guzzling fruitcake, but i'm just using this pic to prove a point) This is the kind of physique you can expect naturally.
Any more mass and you'll get soft and bloofy.
As a natural this is the kind of mass you can shoot for while still being cut.
(http://tipdeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/How-to-Be-a-Male-Model1.jpg)
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I think this is pretty good example... BOOOM, baby:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/aljaee.jpg)
Great natural physique right there.
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Post a picture of what you think a decent natty lifter should look like. 100% lifetime natty.
Me.
<--- click the globe.
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I'll start. (Yes I know this guy looks like a metrosexual cum guzzling fruitcake, but i'm just using this pic to prove a point) This is the kind of physique you can expect naturally.
Any more mass and you'll get soft and bloofy.
As a natural this is the kind of mass you can shoot for while still being cut.
(http://tipdeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/How-to-Be-a-Male-Model1.jpg)
could you have set the bar any lower ?
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Natural...and proud of it!!!
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Another....good guy! Chris Lee.
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Me.
<--- click the globe.
Decent indeed if it's really nat.
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Decent indeed if it's really nat.
Thanks man. There's a few decent lifetime naturals around here.
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Thanks man. There's a few decent lifetime naturals around here.
Damn good build bro!
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could you have set the bar any lower ?
What do you think someone with average genetics can achieve naturally?
Lots of people have very unrealistic expectations. I suspect you are one of them.
Maybe you should fuck off getbig and just hang out at perezhilton and teen beat. It seems like you're mostly just a queer who's into celebrity gossip.
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HEY SLACKER POSTED PICS
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What do you think someone with average genetics can achieve naturally?
Lots of people have very unrealistic expectations. I suspect you are one of them.
Maybe you should fuck off getbig and just hang out at perezhilton and teen beat. It seems like you're mostly just a queer who's into celebrity gossip.
Well man, I will always hold brad in very high regards, seeing as he posted this lovely pic :P
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Well man, I will always hold brad in very high regards, seeing as he posted this lovely pic :P
That's a good pic. Props to him on that.
But, any man who takes interest in the lives of Kim Kardasian and Justin Bieber is a fucking chump in my book. Maybe that's just my hang up though?
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Damn good build bro!
Thanks man
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Ivan Nikolov
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/ivan-nikolov4.jpg)
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/ivan-nikolov2.jpg)
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Ivan Nikolov
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/ivan-nikolov4.jpg)
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/ivan-nikolov2.jpg)
That guy looks natural. He's got some above average bicep genetics. Those biceps stand out above the rest of the body for sure.
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That guy looks natural. He's got some above average bicep genetics. Those biceps stand out above the rest of the body for sure.
And when you see him in contest shape you can hardly believe it's the same guy. As you can see his back is also one of his stronger bodyparts.
Much respect IF he achieved this naturally.
(http://www.ivannikolov.com/assets/images/IvanNikolovFrontDoubleBiceps.jpg)
(http://www.ivannikolov.com/assets/images/IvanNikolovBackDoubleBiceps.jpg)
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And when you see him in contest shape you can hardly believe it's the same guy. As you can see his back is also one of his stronger bodyparts.
Much respect IF he achieved this naturally.
(http://www.ivannikolov.com/assets/images/IvanNikolovFrontDoubleBiceps.jpg)
(http://www.ivannikolov.com/assets/images/IvanNikolovBackDoubleBiceps.jpg)
Yeah, if this guy is natural then i'd say his genetics are above average.
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Yeah, if this guy is natural then i'd say his genetics are above average.
He's around 160 lb here so he's not that tall (I'll guess 5.5 ft or less). I don't think I will achieve his build naturally with my 6 ft, LOL
The guy is pretty serious about his diet and sups; http://www.ivannikolov.com/logs/secret-files-01.html
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He's around 160 lb here so he's not that tall (I'll guess 5.5 ft or less). I don't think I will achieve his build naturally with my 6 ft, LOL
The guy is pretty serious about his diet and sups; http://www.ivannikolov.com/logs/secret-files-01.html
Must be the pycnogenol. Definitely the pycnogynol. And he's a midget.
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Must be the pycnogenol. Definitely the pycnogynol. And he's a midget.
Is that stuff Dr Dutch approved?
On stage it's ALL about illusion, being a midget "helps".
BTW, I saw you at Catherine, you were the man!
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Is that stuff Dr Dutch approved?
On stage it's ALL about illusion, being a midget "helps".
BTW, I saw you at Catherine, you were the man!
loll
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(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/naturald.jpg)
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/naturalc.jpg)
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/naturalb.jpg)
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/naturala.jpg)
Over-dieted, or not enough dieting, too much workouts without enough rest, waaaaaaaaay overdone cardio sessions, too fat, too much water, or completely emaciated like long distance triathaletes...
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Is that stuff Dr Dutch approved?
On stage it's ALL about illusion, being a midget "helps".
BTW, I saw you at Catherine, you were the man!
Fuck why did you post that. It took years to change my name from Mr Wipper to Dr Dutch.
Years ago there was a talkshow like that with Rob vd Dussen. He really had the IQ of a cauliflower..
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I'll start. (Yes I know this guy looks like a metrosexual cum guzzling fruitcake, but i'm just using this pic to prove a point) This is the kind of physique you can expect naturally.
Any more mass and you'll get soft and bloofy.
As a natural this is the kind of mass you can shoot for while still being cut.
(http://tipdeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/How-to-Be-a-Male-Model1.jpg)
yuo must be kidding...
im 220 and more cut than that guy natural
.... being a natural your goal should be you will be training for life ... took me 10 years to get there doesnt matter if it takes 20 because i plan to train for as lon as i can life....
thats my mindset and its worked for me
Meso
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One question for natural beasts here!!!
If you are lean and have your clothes on most of the time when in public (as hopefully we all have), how you deal with the fact that no one knows you train or even do anything other than lay on your couch at home 24/7 ?
Same at the gym.... how you deal with this?
I'm comebacking now and doing my first diet in 'bout 4 or 5 years. Naturally. It sucks :-\
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yuo must be kidding...
im 220 and more cut than that guy natural
.... being a natural your goal should be you will be training for life ... took me 10 years to get there doesnt matter if it takes 20 because i plan to train for as lon as i can life....
thats my mindset and its worked for me
Meso
Yeah but no one on here believes youre natural, no one.
Thats why BFRS put "lets be honest, whats achievable naturally?"
If you truely are natural, you have some of those most unbelievable genetics ever.
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its not really important if no one beleives I KNOW the truth
its just that simple... im natural... and always will be... people are entitled to their opinions...
I was simply answering the question of the thread ... based on my experience
meso
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One question for natural beasts here!!!
If you are lean and have your clothes on most of the time when in public (as hopefully we all have), how you deal with the fact that no one knows you train or even do anything other than lay on your couch at home 24/7 ?
Same at the gym.... how you deal with this?
I'm comebacking now and doing my first diet in 'bout 4 or 5 years. Naturally. It sucks :-\
Not all of us train for vain purposes bro ;) What about just being lean and fit while at the same time having very high energy levels?
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Another....good guy! Chris Lee.
YES!,,true natural,, good pupil!,,very very good,,notice the boney hand bones...notice the NATURAL SWOLE TO FORARM ,,when he is pumped he may even look impressive if can pump right ,,
VERY VERY GOOD EXAMPLE,,
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its not really important if no one beleives I KNOW the truth
its just that simple... im natural... and always will be... people are entitled to their opinions...
I was simply answering the question of the thread ... based on my experience
meso
Of course, but the point is, when youre dealing with others, especially on here, and youre trying to give them advice on natural training, but no one believes youre natural, no one is going to listen or take you seriously. Even though you know the truth, youre just wasting youre breath because everyone is simply going to call you a liar, mock you, or ignore you.
Not right, but thats the way it is.
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Ivan Nikolov
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/ivan-nikolov4.jpg)
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/ivan-nikolov2.jpg)
lol,, hormonized to the capital t!,, including gh and everything else we use,,just cant grow for some reason some fellas bodies just dont want to grow on them its mainly due to them not knowing what they use due to too much bunk product,, look good
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Yeah, if this guy is natural then i'd say his genetics are above average.
far from natural as far as china from americana ,,
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Not all of us train for vain purposes bro ;) What about just being lean and fit while at the same time having very high energy levels?
I guess you're right here, bro.
It's just so frustrating you know... hitting gym 4 times a week, cardio, strict diet... and no one knows.
I try to get over this and just be happy for what I have :)
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I guess you're right here, bro.
It's just so frustrating you know... hitting gym 4 times a week, cardio, strict diet... and no one knows.
I try to get over this and just be happy for what I have :)
it is frastrate,,when you finish work out and go out the gym door with youe bud and a car with 4 girl pass by and they scream from window twar you their nonesense about how they want to eat you and wistle and oh my god comments,,while your natural halodrol bud...they dont think even work out,,
naturals if everything sits right under the sun...will only look good when shirt come off and PUMPED,,even then they better nto turn sideways becuase they will disapear into neverland,,
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it is frastrate,,when you finish work out and go out the gym door with youe bud and a car with 4 girl pass by and they scream from window twar you their nonesense about how they want to eat you and wistle and oh my god comments,,while your natural halodrol bud...they dont think even work out,,
naturals if everything sits right under the sun...will only look good when shirt come off and PUMPED,,even then they better nto turn sideways becuase they will disapear into neverland,,
Yes it's true that naturals lack size and thickness, no doubt about it, but..... when a very fit and very conditioned natural wears a string tank or something similar females can be damn impressed FACT :P
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One question for natural beasts here!!!
If you are lean and have your clothes on most of the time when in public (as hopefully we all have), how you deal with the fact that no one knows you train or even do anything other than lay on your couch at home 24/7 ?
Same at the gym.... how you deal with this?
I'm comebacking now and doing my first diet in 'bout 4 or 5 years. Naturally. It sucks :-\
I don't train for people to notice me in public honestly. Maybe when I started I did, but my mindset has changed.
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it is frastrate,,when you finish work out and go out the gym door with youe bud and a car with 4 girl pass by and they scream from window twar you their nonesense about how they want to eat you and wistle and oh my god comments,,while your natural halodrol bud...they dont think even work out,,
naturals if everything sits right under the sun...will only look good when shirt come off and PUMPED,,even then they better nto turn sideways becuase they will disapear into neverland,,
Spot on, gh15 !!!
I now try to create mentality of dj181 and be happy with my brutal natural, lean physique ;)
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Yes it's true that naturals lack size and thickness, no doubt about it, but..... when a very fit and very conditioned natural wears a string tank or something similar females can be damn impressed FACT :P
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not if said natural is standing beside a guy who is 6'ft plus and 225-240 at 6-8%bf. i say 6ft plus at 225-240 6-8% cause on a guy that tall the weight carries well if the bf is right- FACT.
those broads wouldnt even know you exist- but keep posting dreamlike shit like this if it makes you feel better about being 5'5 and 160 pounds. ahahahahahahahahaha
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Of course, but the point is, when youre dealing with others, especially on here, and youre trying to give them advice on natural training, but no one believes youre natural, no one is going to listen or take you seriously. Even though you know the truth, youre just wasting youre breath because everyone is simply going to call you a liar, mock you, or ignore you.
Not right, but thats the way it is.
I love training,.. and i will share what i know regardless
people dont believe because they dont think they can achieve what i have or are envious... there are some who believe... i get pms frm time to time... a few people here actually know me in real life..
peple are funny they will believe a faceless gimmick... because its easy but to believe me and work hard for gains over a decade is hard
either way ... I will still share info.... Ive been posting here 7 yrs now my lifts that i claimed were bullshit i posted pics and vids .. size of my arms were called bullshit i posted vids.... people have been accusing me of not being natural since them.. for the most part i take it as a compliment.... and it hasnt stopped me and wont stop me from posting
thanks for your "concern" though
meso
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lol,, hormonized to the capital t!,, including gh and everything else we use,,just cant grow for some reason some fellas bodies just dont want to grow on them its mainly due to them not knowing what they use due to too much bunk product,, look good
gh15 approved
You must have awful genetics if you think that needs hormones.
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If you are lean and have your clothes on most of the time when in public (as hopefully we all have), how you deal with the fact that no one knows you train or even do anything other than lay on your couch at home 24/7 ?
That's part of the fun. You take your shirt off and women who've known you for ages suddenly slide off their seats.
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not if said natural is standing beside a guy who is 6'ft plus and 225-240 at 6-8%bf. i say 6ft plus at 225-240 6-8% cause on a guy that tall the weight carries well if the bf is right- FACT.
those broads wouldnt even know you exist- but keep posting dreamlike shit like this if it makes you feel better about being 5'5 and 160 pounds. ahahahahahahahahaha
Women don't give a shit about physiques short of being lean and muscular.
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Fuck why did you post that. It took years to change my name from Mr Wipper to Dr Dutch.
Years ago there was a talkshow like that with Rob vd Dussen. He really had the IQ of a cauliflower..
No need for the name change. This is actually good for your GB reputation. Once Yogi hears about your real identity, he will credit you with 5 blue stars and give you a pro status.
I'll remember Robert for his symmetric physique. Just like in the pro circuit in the nineties you had a lot of good Dutch guys. These days you can count them with one hand :-\
9 out of 10 times it's a serious disaster when you see a bodybuilder in a talkshow
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Not bad at all in this vid, decent posing. The gyno is such a waste...
Rob runs a gym now I think.
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Not bad at all in this vid, decent posing. The gyno is such a waste...
Rob runs a gym now I think.
Check here (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nabba+hol&aq=f) to see how many great guys we've had, and compare this with the current generation, it's a sad difference...
All I know is that he was a driving instructor back in the days,
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Women don't give a shit about physiques short of being lean and muscular.
wrong, dildo. take two guys who look the same and are equally facially attractive and she'll gravitate to the taller one if the is a marked discrepancy in heights.
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300lb bench, 400lb squat 500lb deadlift?
Lke beyond brawn says an average guy maybe 190lbs reasonably lean should achieve these goals or thereabouts in his lifetime
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You must have awful genetics if you think that needs hormones.
oh ,, LOTS of hormones,,and long time on them ,,top npc leverl hormones,,not just playing with them ,,deep deep deep in them,,practically addict
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Women don't give a shit about physiques short of being lean and muscular.
i suggest you go to test this,,try to get out of gym with no shirt on when you have juiced lean and thick physiqe 30 inch waist abs,,wide cannon ball delts...chest to dream of ,,arms ,,go out of that gym and see the responds from whores around ,,do it in a party colege city....tell your true natural bud to do it with you ,,see what the whores tell and to who ,,see how othey act like their pussy wants you right then and now,,see who they scream their phone numbers at,,
have a pen though! youll need it,,well in your generation nothigness...have the phone ready
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No need for the name change. This is actually good for your GB reputation. Once Yogi hears about your real identity, he will credit you with 5 blue stars and give you a pro status.
I'll remember Robert for his symmetric physique. Just like in the pro circuit in the nineties you had a lot of good Dutch guys. These days you can count them with one hand :-\
9 out of 10 times it's a serious disaster when you see a bodybuilder in a talkshow
this fella juiced to hell and back ,,he is living LIVING off juicing and hormonizing,,he has tits ,,dry and tits,,that means he also not good natural because the true top of the liars cover for the tits either with surgery and remove of glands or just profesional at taking drugs,,you get to be profesional graduate of hormone school as natural ,,but then again you wont have gh15 as your princpel,,yet you will be quiote a pro at taking drugs
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wrong, dildo. take two guys who look the same and are equally facially attractive and she'll gravitate to the taller one if the is a marked discrepancy in heights.
You said weight, muscular weight is unattractive past a certain point, how many times would you have exact equals lol.
Height? yeah granted.
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oh ,, LOTS of hormones,,and long time on them ,,top npc leverl hormones,,not just playing with them ,,deep deep deep in them,,practically addict
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Okay G you are just trolling now. :(
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I'll start. (Yes I know this guy looks like a metrosexual cum guzzling fruitcake, but i'm just using this pic to prove a point) This is the kind of physique you can expect naturally.
Any more mass and you'll get soft and bloofy.
As a natural this is the kind of mass you can shoot for while still being cut.
(http://tipdeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/How-to-Be-a-Male-Model1.jpg)
Nah, it can go past that. My friend is slightly bigger and doesn't even lift. 5'10, 155lbs but lean as fuck. No lifting, 2 meals a day...just a college kid. Plays basketball and thats it.
Now he has the genetics to be a top fleet pro, if he wanted to.
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Take a look at this dude's pics and profile...6'0 208, whether he is natty or not...
This is where your "promise land" lays
http://www.modelmayhem.com/720848 (http://www.modelmayhem.com/720848)
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Nah, it can go past that. My friend is slightly bigger and doesn't even lift. 5'10, 155lbs but lean as fuck. No lifting, 2 meals a day...just a college kid. Plays basketball and thats it.
Now he has the genetics to be a top fleet pro, if he wanted to.
Exactly.
Like I said, in this thread i'm talking about what guys with AVERAGE genetics can accomplish.
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it is frastrate,,when you finish work out and go out the gym door with youe bud and a car with 4 girl pass by and they scream from window twar you their nonesense about how they want to eat you and wistle and oh my god comments,,while your natural halodrol bud...they dont think even work out,,
naturals if everything sits right under the sun...will only look good when shirt come off and PUMPED,,even then they better nto turn sideways becuase they will disapear into neverland,,
This is so fucking true, 10000% spot on.
When you are natural you diet and diet, you search for improvements in the mirror every day, you think "ahhh, here i MIGHT have improved a little" and then you meet someone you haven't seen in a few weeks or months and the first thing they say is: "Do you still work out?".... :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
And you want to cry, you want to scream "Yeah motherfucker i do, 5 days a week, diet, cardio, everything!!" but you know how they would just think that you are crazy because what they read in the magazines is that Christian Bale bullked up 50lbs of muscle in 12 weeks and had to cut down because he was to big, and that Brad Pitt build 30lbs of muscle for Troy in 6 weeks.
Then you start to realize, you have to get bigger, so you bulk and you feel GOOD!! Your T-Shirt gets small, people tell you "Hey what's up, you got bigger since i last saw you!!" and you bulk and bulk some more, and before you know it people tell you "Do you still work out, you have gotten fat man"...
Now go back to the first paragraph OR enter steroids and see your body transform into what you have been dreaming of for so many years in a matter of weeks. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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This is so fucking true, 10000% spot on.
When you are natural you diet and diet, you search for improvements in the mirror every day, you think "ahhh, here i MIGHT have improved a little" and then you meet someone you haven't seen in a few weeks or months and the first thing they say is: "Do you still work out?".... :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
And you want to cry, you want to scream "Yeah motherfucker i do, 5 days a week, diet, cardio, everything!!" but you know how they would just think that you are crazy because what they read in the magazines is that Christian Bale bullked up 50lbs of muscle in 12 weeks and had to cut down because he was to big, and that Brad Pitt build 30lbs of muscle for Troy in 6 weeks.
Then you start to realize, you have to get bigger, so you bulk and you feel GOOD!! Your T-Shirt gets small, people tell you "Hey what's up, you got bigger since i last saw you!!" and you bulk and bulk some more, and before you know it people tell you "Do you still work out, you have gotten fat man"...
Now go back to the first paragraph OR enter steroids and see your body transform into what you have been dreaming of for so many years in a matter of weeks. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
That's how I felt like 8 years ago.
Then my mindset changed, and I stopped wanting to look like a bodybuilder. Stopped obsessing over my body.
Now i'm perfectly happy to just be lean and in shape. I'm perfectly happy to have a good swimmer's build.
In my opinion. It's just not worth it to chase the drug muscles. And it's constant work and financial investment to maintain it. Gotta keep on buying that food and drugs to maintain the look. Fuck all that. Give me something that I can keep even if I go camping for a week or whatever.
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That's how I felt like 8 years ago.
Then my mindset changed, and I stopped wanting to look like a bodybuilder. Stopped obsessing over my body.
Now i'm perfectly happy to just be lean and in shape. I'm perfectly happy to have a good swimmer's build.
In my opinion. It's just not worth it to chase the drug muscles. And it's constant work and financial investment to maintain it. Gotta keep on buying that food and drugs to maintain the look. Fuck all that. Give me something that I can keep even if I go camping for a week or whatever.
Good for you that you are happy, but you don't even have a swimmer's build, dude. No hating, but you look EXACTLY like you don't even work out.
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Good for you that you are happy, but you don't even have a swimmer's build, dude. No hating, but you look EXACTLY like you don't even work out.
You're just a meathead who slams anyone who's under 200 pounds.
In REALITY. I'm much more hard, vascular and lean than most of the other dudes I encounter.
It's not up to your meathead standards. But it's pretty good for a guy who just wants to be in shape.
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BTW, so you arehappy with your body, Blackfag, but a few months ago you make threads like these on the steroid board??
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=370734.0
NO ONE here is happy with his body, hope this helps. Everyone wants to be a little (or a lot) more muscular, more ripped. There may be times when you are satisfied with what you have reached until now, but it never lasts long.
And that is the truth, no way you can deny that.
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That's how I felt like 8 years ago.
Then my mindset changed, and I stopped wanting to look like a bodybuilder. Stopped obsessing over my body.
Now i'm perfectly happy to just be lean and in shape. I'm perfectly happy to have a good swimmer's build.
In my opinion. It's just not worth it to chase the drug muscles. And it's constant work and financial investment to maintain it. Gotta keep on buying that food and drugs to maintain the look. Fuck all that. Give me something that I can keep even if I go camping for a week or whatever.
But the thing is, even if one has a very lean and conditioned natural physique, then he must keep training very regularly and consistently to maintain it. Even 1 week off, will cause quite a difference in the quality of his physique. In my own experience, I start to regress after 4 or 5 days of no training :'( Also the training must be kept at that certain level that brought one there. For example, if one keeps training but takes the intensity down a notch or two then his physique will go down a notch or two as well.
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You're just a meathead who slams anyone who's under 200 pounds.
In REALITY. I'm much more hard, vascular and lean than most of the other dudes I encounter.
It's not up to your meathead standards. But it's pretty good for a guy who just wants to be in shape.
LOL, you're a good troll, that is all.
You're not hard, nor vascular and i bet my ass you're even fat by vietnamese / thai standards.
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BTW, so you arehappy with your body, Blackfag, but a few months ago you make threads like these on the steroid board??
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=370734.0
NO ONE here is happy with his body, hope this helps. Everyone wants to be a little (or a lot) more muscular, more ripped. There may be times when you are satisfied with what you have reached until now, but it never lasts long.
And that is the truth, no way you can deny that.
Sometimes I think about trying gear. But it only lasts a day or two and then the urge wears off.
Having drugs muscles just takes too much maintenance for me. I like to have the freedom to drop my whole routine for a week or two if I want. I don't want to lock into a commitment that requires constant work and drugs high food intake.
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I love training,.. and i will share what i know regardless
people dont believe because they dont think they can achieve what i have or are envious... there are some who believe... i get pms frm time to time... a few people here actually know me in real life..
peple are funny they will believe a faceless gimmick... because its easy but to believe me and work hard for gains over a decade is hard
either way ... I will still share info.... Ive been posting here 7 yrs now my lifts that i claimed were bullshit i posted pics and vids .. size of my arms were called bullshit i posted vids.... people have been accusing me of not being natural since them.. for the most part i take it as a compliment.... and it hasnt stopped me and wont stop me from posting
thanks for your "concern" though
meso
you are not natural so stfu dude - if you are you must have the best genetics known to man - we have been over this so many times why you are not natural , it defys logic now go pop a dart in your ass and inject some "natural" propinate ::)
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LOL, you're a good troll, that is all.
You're not hard, nor vascular and i bet my ass you're even fat by vietnamese / thai standards.
You're just an idiot who thinks anyone under 190 pounds is a "twink".
Grow up dude. My physique looks well above average. I look ATHLETIC. Do you know what that means?
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But the thing is, even if one has a very lean and conditioned natural physique, then he must keep training very regularly and consistently to maintain it. Even 1 week off, will cause quite a difference in the quality of his physique. In my own experience, I start to regress after 4 or 5 days of no training :'( Also the training must be kept at that certain level that brought one there. For example, if one keeps training but takes the intensity down a notch or two then his physique will go down a notch or two as well.
Just depends what you're trying to do.
If you're trying to be at 95-100% of your genetic potential, then what you say is true.
But if you're satisfied to just be at like 70-80% of your genetic potential, you can take a more laid back approach to the whole thing.
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Sometimes I think about trying gear. But it only lasts a day or two and then the urge wears off.
Having drugs muscles just takes too much maintenance for me. I like to have the freedom to drop my whole routine for a week or two if I want. I don't want to lock into a commitment that requires constant work and drugs high food intake.
This is were you are completely WRONG, retard.
Steroids LET you keep muscles. When you're on gear, you can slack with the diet, slack with the training and so on... Why the fuck do you think movie actors and these Guidos take steroids?? Because they don't want to bother working out hard, 4 times a week, have the diet in check all time and lose the conditioning and muscle from the day that you stop??
Surely, THIS kind of steroid muscle will go away quickly when you stop and is only the "bloat", so to speak, but training on steroids let's you add a lot more freedom to training, diet and so on than training naturally.
And if you start to get fat, add some GH, Tren or ECA.
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You're just an idiot who thinks anyone under 190 pounds is a "twink".
Grow up dude. My physique looks well above average. I look ATHLETIC. Do you know what that means?
Not at all, i just say YOU look like shit, because obviously you do.
Athletic?? LOL.
Go to any track and field playground, you will meet some athletic people there.
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you are not natural so stfu dude - if you are you must have the best genetics known to man - we have been over this so many times why you are not natural , it defys logic now go pop a dart in your ass and inject some "natural" propinate ::)
Whatever you say...
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this fella juiced to hell and back ,,he is living LIVING off juicing and hormonizing,,he has tits ,,dry and tits,,that means he also not good natural because the true top of the liars cover for the tits either with surgery and remove of glands or just profesional at taking drugs,,you get to be profesional graduate of hormone school as natural ,,but then again you wont have gh15 as your princpel,,yet you will be quiote a pro at taking drugs
gh15 approved
Haha, as if I was even suggesting he were a nattie ;D
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This is were you are completely WRONG, retard.
Steroids LET you keep muscles. When you're on gear, you can slack with the diet, slack with the training and so on... Why the fuck do you think movie actors and these Guidos take steroids?? Because they don't want to bother working out hard, 4 times a week, have the diet in check all time and lose the conditioning and muscle from the day that you stop??
Surely, THIS kind of steroid muscle will go away quickly when you stop and is only the "bloat", so to speak, but training on steroids let's you add a lot more freedom to training, diet and so on than training naturally.
And if you start to get fat, add some GH, Tren or ECA.
While I agree this is true because of their power, why the fuck would you want to slack honestly? If it were me I'd be trying just as hard if not harder to be on point with everything to reap the benefits of the investment. Then again I realize people do it for different reasons, to look good, party lifestyle, club, etc. just my opinion on that.
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Take a look at this dude's pics and profile...6'0 208, whether he is natty or not...
This is where your "promise land" lays
http://www.modelmayhem.com/720848 (http://www.modelmayhem.com/720848)
No way he could be a nattie
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This is were you are completely WRONG, retard.
Steroids LET you keep muscles. When you're on gear, you can slack with the diet, slack with the training and so on... Why the fuck do you think movie actors and these Guidos take steroids?? Because they don't want to bother working out hard, 4 times a week, have the diet in check all time and lose the conditioning and muscle from the day that you stop??
Surely, THIS kind of steroid muscle will go away quickly when you stop and is only the "bloat", so to speak, but training on steroids let's you add a lot more freedom to training, diet and so on than training naturally.
And if you start to get fat, add some GH, Tren or ECA.
I know that this is how it is when you're on gear.
But from what I can see. When you start taking gear, you becoe a slave to it. If you quit using it cold turkey you will fuck yourself up and throw your hormone levels out of whack.
I was talking bout the fact that if you start using gear, you basically become physically dependent on it. I do not want to be physically dependent on any substance.
Am I wrong on this? What would happen to the average juicehead if he suddenly went off cold turkey? Nevermind, i'll just look at pics of Crig Titus when he went to prison for that answer.
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I know that this is how it is when you're on gear.
But from what I can see. When you start taking gear, you becoe a slave to it. If you quit using it cold turkey you will fuck yourself up and throw your hormone levels out of whack.
I was talking bout the fact that if you start using gear, you basically become physically dependent on it. I do not want to be physically dependent on any substance.
Am I wrong on this? What would happen to the average juicehead if he suddenly went off cold turkey? Nevermind, i'll just look at pics of Crig Titus when he went to prison for that answer.
I can see your point.
Answer is, if you go off cold turkey the worst that will happen is you look like a fucking natural. :-\
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Can you imagine if everyone had to come clean about everything? We could just completely eliminate our justice/court systems and attorneys.
It's all about living a lie. Nobody really knows jack-shit (at least not in this world)
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I can see your point.
Answer is, if you go off cold turkey the worst that will happen is you look like a fucking natural. :-\
Fro what I read about going of gear cold turkey. It sounds like you can also go limp, get shrunken nuts, have LOW natural test levels for a long time afterwards, feel like shit, have low energy, no sex drive, feel weak....
I don't think you just return to normal when you go off. I think you are fucked up for months or years afterwards if you go off cold turkey. I don't want to put myself in that kind of balance.
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Can you imagine if everyone had to come clean about everything? We could just completely eliminate our justice/court systems and attorneys.
It's all about living a lie. Nobody really knows jack-shit (at least not in this world)
Well, if you include ALL addictions, i would say there is not ONE person in the western world without any sort of addiction. Let it be alcohol, recs, sugar or food in general.
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Fro what I read about going of gear cold turkey. It sounds like you can also go limp, get shrunken nuts, have LOW natural test levels for a long time afterwards, feel like shit, have low energy, no sex drive, feel weak....
I don't think you just return to normal when you go off. I think you are fucked up for months or years afterwards if you go off cold turkey. I don't want to put myself in that kind of balance.
To each his own, people are different.
I wouldn't smoke weed, fuck ladyboys and live in a 3rd world country, and i definitely wouldn't want that ugly skinny-fat body of yours.
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To each his own, people are different.
I wouldn't smoke weed, fuck ladyboys and live in a 3rd world country, and i definitely wouldn't want that ugly skinny-fat body of yours.
Why do you care so much about what your body looks like?
Nowadays I just don't give a shit. Don't you ever have a moment of clarity when you realize that the aesthetics of your body are really NOT that important in the grand scheme of things? To me this lifting thing is just a hobby. When you bring it to obsessive levels it's time to take a step back and ask yourself why the fuck you're doing it.
Smoke weed, fuck ladyboys and live in a third world country. Now THAT is living the good life brother.
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you are not natural so stfu dude - if you are you must have the best genetics known to man - we have been over this so many times why you are not natural , it defys logic now go pop a dart in your ass and inject some "natural" propinate ::)
LOL- TRUTH
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Fro what I read about going of gear cold turkey. It sounds like you can also go limp, get shrunken nuts, have LOW natural test levels for a long time afterwards, feel like shit, have low energy, no sex drive, feel weak....
I don't think you just return to normal when you go off. I think you are fucked up for months or years afterwards if you go off cold turkey. I don't want to put myself in that kind of balance.
Like they say "avoid hang-overs, stay drunk" ;)
PT
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Like they say "avoid hang-overs, stay drunk" ;)
PT
Sometimes I like to go on a long camping trip or backpacking journey. And I move around to different countries.
I don't wanna worry about my next injection while i'm doing all that.
I prefer freedom.
The steroid using life sounds a lot like slavery to chemicals to me. No thank you.
But I guess if ou are just setled down and never do anything adventurous then you don't need to worry about all that.
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That's how I felt like 8 years ago.
Then my mindset changed, and I stopped wanting to look like a bodybuilder. Stopped obsessing over my body.
Now i'm perfectly happy to just be lean and in shape. I'm perfectly happy to have a good swimmer's build.
In my opinion. It's just not worth it to chase the drug muscles. And it's constant work and financial investment to maintain it. Gotta keep on buying that food and drugs to maintain the look. Fuck all that. Give me something that I can keep even if I go camping for a week or whatever.
You don't even look "in shape". You do not look like a guy that even trains in any physical capacity. Every swimmers look better than you, runners, cyclists too. The pictures you posed and Stark exposed are of a shitty physique; it's not ripped and it has no muscle. That's the truth but you probably know this and are trolling.
That's why you chicken out of your own contest and got destroyed by Xerxes.
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You don't even look "in shape". You do not look like a guy that even trains in any physical capacity. Every swimmers look better than you, runners, cyclists too. The pictures you posed and Stark exposed are of a shitty physique; it's not ripped and it has no muscle. That's the truth but you probably know this and are trolling.
That's why you chicken out of your own contest and got destroyed by Xerxes.
Thanks for the advice Alex.
I wished I looked as good as you bro :-X
Last night I fucked a woman hard for 2 and a half hours. If I wasn't athletic I wouldn't be able to perform feats of endurance like that.
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You don't even look "in shape". You do not look like a guy that even trains in any physical capacity. Every swimmers look better than you, runners, cyclists too. The pictures you posed and Stark exposed are of a shitty physique; it's not ripped and it has no muscle. That's the truth but you probably know this and are trolling.
That's why you chicken out of your own contest and got destroyed by Xerxes.
spot on.
Sometimes I like to go on a long camping trip or backpacking journey. And I move around to different countries.
I don't wanna worry about my next injection while i'm doing all that.
I prefer freedom.
The steroid using life sounds a lot like slavery to chemicals to me. No thank you.
But I guess if ou are just setled down and never do anything adventurous then you don't need to worry about all that.
What the fuck did you think God invented long esters for?? ::) ::) ::)
You have no problem taking your weed onto a camping trip i presume, you need paper, fire, weed to smoke that.
Much easier to make one injection the day before you leave. ::) ::) ::)
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spot on.
What the fuck did you think God invented long esters for?? ::) ::) ::)
You have no problem taking your weed onto a camping trip i presume, you need paper, fire, weed to smoke that.
Much easier to make one injection the day before you leave. ::) ::) ::)
I love to smoke weed. But as a matter of fact I havn't smoked weed now in over a month. See, I don't like to do the same thing all the time, switch it up.
Long esther steroids stay in your system for like a week or 10 days right? That's not a very long time if you're in Western China with a backpack.
Different stroke for different folks. I have absolutlely nothing against steroid use if people wanna do it. But it just seems like some serious shit to fuck with. It's a commitment because you gotta keep on doing it and doing it, and coming off sounds like it's a challenge to do.
Smoking weed, the worst that can happen is you'll eat a large pizza and pass out in your clothes. And if I quit smoking weed there is zero withdrawal or side effects. Totally different level.
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This is so fucking true, 10000% spot on.
When you are natural you diet and diet, you search for improvements in the mirror every day, you think "ahhh, here i MIGHT have improved a little" and then you meet someone you haven't seen in a few weeks or months and the first thing they say is: "Do you still work out?".... :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
And you want to cry, you want to scream "Yeah motherfucker i do, 5 days a week, diet, cardio, everything!!" but you know how they would just think that you are crazy because what they read in the magazines is that Christian Bale bullked up 50lbs of muscle in 12 weeks and had to cut down because he was to big, and that Brad Pitt build 30lbs of muscle for Troy in 6 weeks.
Then you start to realize, you have to get bigger, so you bulk and you feel GOOD!! Your T-Shirt gets small, people tell you "Hey what's up, you got bigger since i last saw you!!" and you bulk and bulk some more, and before you know it people tell you "Do you still work out, you have gotten fat man"...
Now go back to the first paragraph OR enter steroids and see your body transform into what you have been dreaming of for so many years in a matter of weeks. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
THIS HAPPENED TO ME. I got so sensitive to it...i went on roids, never went back. 1 shot of cyp in butt on sunday nights.
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there is not ONE person in the western world without any sort of addiction. Let it be alcohol, recs, sugar or food in general.
I have no addictions
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I have no addictions
Same.
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I'm addicted to posting
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I'm addicted to posting
We all are. ;D ;D
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I'm addicted to caffiene. And working this 9-5 job in this fast paced capitalist shithole has got me addicted to the internet as an escape from reality.
Same here, actually.
Although i have an intense love/hate relationship with internet and mobile phones. They are a necessary evil, and every minute i sit in front of the internet seems like wasted time to me (except watching porn) but when there's a PC with internet in reach, i can't stop surfing, ven if it's the most blatant bullshit i watch.
Everytime i am on vacation, or some trip or abroad and have no internet, i do not even miss it at all. When i come to think of the internet i rather feel happy i don't have a PC, no emails and shit. But then, when i return home, first thing i do is check my mails and getbig. :-X :-X LOL
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Waaaaaah ......I don't want those big muscles anyway :'( :D
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Waaaaaah ......I don't want those big muscles anyway :'( :D
If I had Groink's arms... ;D
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I'll start. (Yes I know this guy looks like a metrosexual cum guzzling fruitcake, but i'm just using this pic to prove a point) This is the kind of physique you can expect naturally.
Any more mass and you'll get soft and bloofy.
As a natural this is the kind of mass you can shoot for while still being cut.
(http://tipdeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/How-to-Be-a-Male-Model1.jpg)
I'm not being funny, but I looked better than that at 17 after 6 months of training.
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I've honestly never wanted to be big.
I just want hardness and cuts and vascularity.
I wouldn't want to be over 200 pounds.
Yes, it's true. There are guys in this world who DON'T want to be 250 pounds :o Shocking huh?
until 1990 no one cared to be 250 lb ,,not to forget frank zane won mr o 185 lol at 5'9 ,,the 250lb idea came later in the end of the 80s into the 90s...it came with high dose of hgh and then later on insulina with higher mega dose of aas,,but in reaility 200lb 6-7% was big numbers back in the day for a 5'9 5'10...those were THE NUMBERS for bodybuilder,,200lb 6% is very big bodybuild,,only now day when the gut is huge and carry 40lb on it ...the cult has changed,,back in the day no one had guts thats why everyone was 40lb lighter which was = 200-210lb offseason for 5'9...
5'9 200lb 6% is very VERY big fella
gh15 approved
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(http://i.imgur.com/2p0uY.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/2p0uY.jpg)
Steroids, and you know why?
Bale is known to be a "method actor", meaning he tries to get as deep into the character of the role as he can.
Now Bateman in Psycho used steroids, so I bet 10 G that Bale would use them to get in shape and get the feeling Bateman talks about in the book.
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This is so fucking true, 10000% spot on.
When you are natural you diet and diet, you search for improvements in the mirror every day, you think "ahhh, here i MIGHT have improved a little" and then you meet someone you haven't seen in a few weeks or months and the first thing they say is: "Do you still work out?".... :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
And you want to cry, you want to scream "Yeah motherfucker i do, 5 days a week, diet, cardio, everything!!" but you know how they would just think that you are crazy because what they read in the magazines is that Christian Bale bullked up 50lbs of muscle in 12 weeks and had to cut down because he was to big, and that Brad Pitt build 30lbs of muscle for Troy in 6 weeks.
Then you start to realize, you have to get bigger, so you bulk and you feel GOOD!! Your T-Shirt gets small, people tell you "Hey what's up, you got bigger since i last saw you!!" and you bulk and bulk some more, and before you know it people tell you "Do you still work out, you have gotten fat man"...
Now go back to the first paragraph OR enter steroids and see your body transform into what you have been dreaming of for so many years in a matter of weeks. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
similar thing to me, one day a buddy show me a roid freak in the street, "at least you can see he's a bodybuilder, not like you"
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similar thing to me, one day a buddy show me a roid freak in the street, "at least you can see he's a bodybuilder, not like you"
There is no such thing as natural bodybuilding, took me a long time to understand that.
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There is no such thing as natural bodybuilding, took me a long time to understand that.
You end up having to settle on being moderately big but soft or ripped and small.
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(http://i.imgur.com/2p0uY.jpg)
Bale could be a pro bber in 12 months if he wanted to. As he's not insane, it'll never happen. Good actor, very smart guy. And like the rest that look good, knows his way around the medicine cabinet.
Shit legs though. 8)
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You end up having to settle on being moderately big but soft or ripped and small.
And both suck big time.
Bodybuilding is about being ripped and big. ;D ;D
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And both suck big time.
Bodybuilding is about being ripped and big. ;D ;D
Tell me about it. If you have decent genetics there's somewhat of a happy medium but it's always a juggling act.
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(http://i.imgur.com/2p0uY.jpg)
"Patrick Bateman: I'm on a diet.
Jean: What, you're kidding, right? You look great... so fit... and thin.
Patrick Bateman: Well, you can always be thinner... look better.
Jean: Then maybe we shouldn't go out to dinner. I wouldn't want you to lose your willpower.
Patrick Bateman: That's okay. I'm not very good at controlling it anyway. "
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"Timothy Bryce: [after snorting "cut" cocaine] It's a fucking milligram of sweetener. I want to get high off this, not sprinkle it on my fucking oatmeal.
Patrick Bateman: Definitely weak, but I have a feeling that if we do enough of it we'll be okay.
Club Patron: [leans over from another booth] Will you keep it down? I'm trying to do drugs!
Timothy Bryce: [speaks to the patron in the next booth] HEY, FUCK YOU! "
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You end up having to settle on being moderately big but soft or ripped and small.
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You disagree?
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You disagree?
Yeah, depends what you call big though i guess.
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Thanks for the advice Alex.
I wished I looked as good as you bro :-X
Last night I fucked a woman my hand hard for 2 and a half hours. If I wasn't athletic I wouldn't be able to perform feats of endurance like that.
Corrected
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Yeah, depends what you call big though i guess.
What do you consider to be big?
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Yeah, depends what you call big though i guess.
150lbs seems to be pretty big around these parts when it comes to being natural.... ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I'll start. (Yes I know this guy looks like a metrosexual cum guzzling fruitcake, but i'm just using this pic to prove a point) This is the kind of physique you can expect naturally.
Any more mass and you'll get soft and bloofy.
As a natural this is the kind of mass you can shoot for while still being cut.
(http://tipdeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/How-to-Be-a-Male-Model1.jpg)
If that guy went to the gym instead of focusing almost soley on diet for leaness he could be a lot bigger as a natural.
I'd bet all he does is cardio, like cycling or jogging and maybe 'core' exercises on the swiss ball and a few light weights to 'tone'.
His arms are very skinny, any natural who lifts weights for at least a year could have bigger arms.
Not saying it's a bad physique, he looks fit and in shape, but doesn't look like he lifts weights though.
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150lbs seems to be pretty big around these parts when it comes to being natural.... ::) ::) ::) ::)
175lbs -180lbs at 5'8" - 5'9" with a low bf% is achievable. 150lbs is shit genetics.
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150lbs seems to be pretty big around these parts when it comes to being natural.... ::) ::) ::) ::)
People get far too caught up on numbers. Stature and muscle shape can make two people at the same height and bodyfat look completely different.
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Stature and muscle shape can make two people at the same height and bodyfat look completely different.
Most definitely.
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People get far too caught up on numbers. Stature and muscle shape can make two people at the same height and bodyfat look completely different.
Not if you wear a t-shirt.
Naturals with a low bf disappear in clothes, i've not seen ONE impressive clothed natural in 10 years of lifting.
That's what was meant with the either small and cut or big and soft comment.
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Not if you wear a t-shirt.
Naturals with a low bf disappear in clothes, i've not seen ONE impressive clothed natural in 10 years of lifting.
That's what was meant with the either small and cut or big and soft comment.
Pretty much no such thing as a lean natural looking big in a t-shirt but naturally wide shoulders can make a hell of a difference.
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Pretty much no such thing as a lean natural looking big in a t-shirt but naturally wide shoulders can make a hell of a difference.
That's what i said.
besides, a natural will never have the traps and delts of a juicer, "naturally wide shoulders" or not.
And really, what's the fucking point in training when you have to run around naked so that anyone realizes anyways? LOL
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Not if you wear a t-shirt.
Naturals with a low bf disappear in clothes, i've not seen ONE impressive clothed natural in 10 years of lifting.
That's what was meant with the either small and cut or big and soft comment.
I have seen quite a few, skeletal structure and muscle shape makes a huge difference.
Nubret weighed about 200lb, you see a lot of 200lb gymrates that had his look?
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I have seen quite a few, skeletal structure and muscle shape makes a huge difference.
Nubret weighed about 200lb, you see a lot of 200lb gymrates that had his look?
Are you telling me Serge Nubret was natural??
ahahhhhhhahaahaahhaahaha ahahahahahaahahahaahaaha ha, omg.
Please shoot yourself now.
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That's what i said.
besides, a natural will never have the traps and delts of a juicer, "naturally wide shoulders" or not.
And really, what's the fucking point in training when you have to run around naked so that anyone realizes anyways? LOL
That's why I try to aim for the mid-ground. Not so lean that I disappear and not so heavy that I just look like a fat guy.
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That's why I try to aim for the mid-ground. Not so lean that I disappear and not so heavy that I just look like a fat guy.
mediocre. :-\ :-\
Looks like shit, i tried that for years. :-X :-X
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What do you consider to be big?
Average height 200-210lb single digits.
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Average height 200-210lb single digits.
Troll.
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Are you telling me Serge Nubret was natural??
ahahhhhhhahaahaahhaahaha ahahahahahaahahahaahaaha ha, omg.
Please shoot yourself now.
No. I was alluding to how his structure and shape created an illusion of far more size.
Somebody who is big boned and blocky with no taper is going to need a lot more size on their frame.
How you can dismiss structure and shape so easily is laughable.
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No. I was alluding to how his structure and shape created an illusion of far more size.
Somebody who is big boned and blocky with no taper is going to need a lot more size on their frame.
How you can dismiss structure and shape so easily is laughable.
True, but you will not find a 200lbs natural with that conditioning.
It was said before, Frank Zane was even 185lbs, i would sell my soul to have his 185lbs build, but to think it would be attainable naturally is pure idiocy.
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mediocre. :-\ :-\
Looks like shit, i tried that for years. :-X :-X
Maybe I'm lying to myself but I think you can be more than mediocre. Not overly impressive by any means but okay for walking down the street.
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True, but you will not find a 200lbs natural with that conditioning.
It was said before, Frank Zane was even 185lbs, i would sell my soul to have his 185lbs build, but to think it would be attainable naturally is pure idiocy.
I have seen naturals with huge chests, arms, backs, certain mucles don't build easy natty like delts, traps, legs. That's normally the give away.
No you are not going to get an all over build like Zane natty, but certain bodyparts could be great depending on genetics.
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Maybe I'm lying to myself but I think you can be more than mediocre. Not overly impressive by any means but okay for walking down the street.
Yeah well then, if you can settle with "ok", go for it. ;D ;D
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Yeah well then, if you can settle with "ok", go for it. ;D ;D
After fourteen years of training I don't think I'm going to make any substantial gains if any. My natural status gets questioned but is still believable.
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I have seen naturals with huge chests, arms, backs, certain mucles don't build easy natty like delts, traps, legs. That's normally the give away.
Weird, for me the give away is thick slabby pecs. Never seen them on anyone natty, seen people with naturally big/thick other bodyparts aplenty, but never those 2" thick pecs. Acyually hoping I can avoid them myself, never liked that look.
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I have seen naturals with huge chests, arms, backs, certain mucles don't build easy natty like delts, traps, legs. That's normally the give away.
No you are not going to get an all over build like Zane natty, but certain bodyparts could be great depending on genetics.
For me delts are pain to develop. I've close to ten years of training. They are still(and always) behind. Funny thing is that strength wise they're my strong points.
That's the beauty of bodybuilding. Always try to improve and have a better balance.
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That's what i said.
besides, a natural will never have the traps and delts of a juicer, "naturally wide shoulders" or not.
And really, what's the fucking point in training when you have to run around naked so that anyone realizes anyways? LOL
didn't you used to be against drugs and all for natural training?
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didn't you used to be against drugs and all for natural training?
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Yes, "used to be" is the keyword here.
I was stupid. Bodybuilding is the muscle drugs.
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From another thread:
(http://www.fitnes.lv/news/foto2/Bobby_Pandour_1876-1920.jpg)
This is the reason that a lot of guys into old-fashioned "iron age" bodybuilding go wayyyyy back in time to find their role models.
I have seen naturals with huge chests, arms, backs, certain mucles don't build easy natty like delts, traps, legs. That's normally the give away.
Do other people agree with this?
What i find is that there are some muscles that will not (generally) have any decent size at all unless they are trained. There are plenty of people who do not lift weights who have enormous calves, but very few people who do not lift weights who have huge traps, for example. In my experience, anyway.
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Do other people agree with this?
What i find is that there are some muscles that will not (generally) have any decent size at all unless they are trained. There are plenty of people who do not lift weights who have enormous calves, but very few people who do not lift weights who have huge traps, for example. In my experience, anyway.
I'd say that I have to agree as far as delts are concerned. But naturals will never have huge anything lol
Here's another natural from that thread, and he has got some pretty dense muscle on him.
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I have seen naturals with huge chests, arms, backs, certain mucles don't build easy natty like delts, traps, legs. That's normally the give away.
No you are not going to get an all over build like Zane natty, but certain bodyparts could be great depending on genetics.
IT DEPENDS 0N GENETICS. IT'S N0T A GIVE AWAY AT ALL. MY FRIEND HAS 17 INCH ARMS AT 6 2 AS A NATURAL BUT HIS DELTS SUCK. MY BR0THER HAS 14 INCH ARMS AT 5 9 143 BUT HIS DELTS ARE GREAT. EVERY0NE IN MY FAMILY HAS INSANE DELTS BUT MY BR0THER'S ARMS ARE SHITTY AND HE HAS TR0UBLE GETTING THEM T0 GR0W. 0N THE 0THER HAND I'VE SEEN NATURALS WITH GREAT ARMS BUT SHITTY DELTS. DELTS IS MAINLY DUE T0 Y0UR GENETICS. ETHNIC RUSSIANS AND GERMANS ALL HAVE HUGE DELTS. THE PR0BLEM IS Y0U RARELY SEE AN ETHNIC RUSSIAN IN THE STATES AND IF HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN HE'S EITHER A JEW 0R FR0M THE NEIGHB0RING C0UNTRIES.
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Time for SJ's...
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IT DEPENDS 0N GENETICS. IT'S N0T A GIVE AWAY AT ALL. MY FRIEND HAS 17 INCH ARMS AT 6 2 AS A NATURAL BUT HIS DELTS SUCK. MY BR0THER HAS 14 INCH ARMS AT 5 9 143 BUT HIS DELTS ARE GREAT. EVERY0NE IN MY FAMILY HAS INSANE DELTS BUT MY BR0THER'S ARMS ARE SHITTY AND HE HAS TR0UBLE GETTING THEM T0 GR0W. 0N THE 0THER HAND I'VE SEEN NATURALS WITH GREAT ARMS BUT SHITTY DELTS. DELTS IS MAINLY DUE T0 Y0UR GENETICS. ETHNIC RUSSIANS AND GERMANS ALL HAVE HUGE DELTS. THE PR0BLEM IS Y0U RARELY SEE AN ETHNIC RUSSIAN IN THE STATES AND IF HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN HE'S EITHER A JEW 0R FR0M THE NEIGHB0RING C0UNTRIES.
There's a difference between good delts and big delts. I don't think I've ever seen someone who is big for a natural and lean with standout shoulder size.
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There's a difference between good delts and big delts. I don't think I've ever seen someone who is big for a natural and lean with standout shoulder size.
Zaney Zane Zane....
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IT DEPENDS 0N GENETICS. IT'S N0T A GIVE AWAY AT ALL. MY FRIEND HAS 17 INCH ARMS AT 6 2 AS A NATURAL BUT HIS DELTS SUCK. MY BR0THER HAS 14 INCH ARMS AT 5 9 143 BUT HIS DELTS ARE GREAT. EVERY0NE IN MY FAMILY HAS INSANE DELTS BUT MY BR0THER'S ARMS ARE SHITTY AND HE HAS TR0UBLE GETTING THEM T0 GR0W. 0N THE 0THER HAND I'VE SEEN NATURALS WITH GREAT ARMS BUT SHITTY DELTS. DELTS IS MAINLY DUE T0 Y0UR GENETICS. ETHNIC RUSSIANS AND GERMANS ALL HAVE HUGE DELTS. THE PR0BLEM IS Y0U RARELY SEE AN ETHNIC RUSSIAN IN THE STATES AND IF HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN HE'S EITHER A JEW 0R FR0M THE NEIGHB0RING C0UNTRIES.
So your brother at 12 pounds lighter in your first pic has "great delts" yet you at 155pds (first pic) have shit delts ? ???
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There's a difference between good delts and big delts. I don't think I've ever seen someone who is big for a natural and lean with standout shoulder size.
Y0U HAVEN'T CAME ACR0SS T0 MANY PE0PLE.
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So your brother at 12 pounds lighter in your first pic has "great delts" yet you at 155pds (first pic) have shit delts ? ???
I FIND IT FUNNY H0W Y0U THINK IT'S IMP0SSIBLE F0R ME T0 PUT 0N 25LBS 0F MUSCLE NATURALLY FR0M 155.
0KAY FIRST 0F ALL MY BR0THER IS FLEXING IN THAT PIC AND I'M N0T. THEY ARE TW0 DIFFERENT PICS. MY BR0THER IS 5 YEARS 0LDER THAN ME AND I T00K THAT PIC WHEN I WAS 17 PRE LIFTING. Y0U EXPECT MY DELTS T0 P0P WITH0UT ME FLEXING 0R EVER T0UCHING A WEIGHT AT 17? L0L. MY BR0THER WAS ALREADY LIFTING F0R YEARS. MY MUSCLE WEREN'T EVEN DEVEL0PED 0R D0NE GR0WING AT ALL. I'M N0T FLEXING IN MY PIC AND YET L00K AT MY FR0NT DELT. T0 SAY I HAVE SHIT DELTS WHEN I HAVEN'T EVEN T0UCHED A WEIGHT AT 17 AND N0T FLEXING IS N0T RIGHT. Y0U CAN ALREADY SEE THE LINE AND P0P 0N MY FR0NT DELT. L00K AT MY TRAPS IN THAT PIC. THERE'S N0THING DIFFERENT FR0M N0W. I'M JUST 30 LBS HEAVIER. MY BR0THER IS ALS0 3 INCHES SH0RTER THAN ME MINUS 21 LBS. AGAIN L00K AT MY FR0NT DELT AND TRAPS. MY TRAPS ARE ALREADY HIGH. THIS IS 17 PRE LIFTING AND N0T FLEXING. YAH I'M SURE T0NS 0F 17 YEAR 0LDS HAVE DELTS P0PPING WITH0UT LIFTING IN THAT P0SE. LMA0.
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IT DEPENDS 0N GENETICS. IT'S N0T A GIVE AWAY AT ALL. MY FRIEND HAS 17 INCH ARMS AT 6 2 AS A NATURAL BUT HIS DELTS SUCK. MY BR0THER HAS 14 INCH ARMS AT 5 9 143 BUT HIS DELTS ARE GREAT. EVERY0NE IN MY FAMILY HAS INSANE DELTS BUT MY BR0THER'S ARMS ARE SHITTY AND HE HAS TR0UBLE GETTING THEM T0 GR0W. 0N THE 0THER HAND I'VE SEEN NATURALS WITH GREAT ARMS BUT SHITTY DELTS. DELTS IS MAINLY DUE T0 Y0UR GENETICS. ETHNIC RUSSIANS AND GERMANS ALL HAVE HUGE DELTS. THE PR0BLEM IS Y0U RARELY SEE AN ETHNIC RUSSIAN IN THE STATES AND IF HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN HE'S EITHER A JEW 0R FR0M THE NEIGHB0RING C0UNTRIES.
There are exceptions to everything i agree.
The problem is there are a lot of guys that don't have he genetics for srength or muscle building, that like to pretend that it is impossible to do anything natural.
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I FIND IT FUNNY H0W Y0U THINK IT'S IMP0SSIBLE F0R ME T0 PUT 0N 25LBS 0F MUSCLE NATURALLY FR0M 155.
0KAY FIRST 0F ALL MY BR0THER IS FLEXING IN THAT PIC AND I'M N0T. THEY ARE TW0 DIFFERENT PICS. MY BR0THER IS 5 YEARS 0LDER THAN ME AND I T00K THAT PIC WHEN I WAS 17 PRE LIFTING. Y0U EXPECT MY DELTS T0 P0P WITH0UT ME FLEXING 0R EVER T0UCHING A WEIGHT AT 17? L0L. MY BR0THER WAS ALREADY LIFTING F0R YEARS. MY MUSCLE WEREN'T EVEN DEVEL0PED 0R D0NE GR0WING AT ALL. I'M N0T FLEXING IN MY PIC AND YET L00K AT MY FR0NT DELT. T0 SAY I HAVE SHIT DELTS WHEN I HAVEN'T EVEN T0UCHED A WEIGHT AT 17 AND N0T FLEXING IS N0T RIGHT. Y0U CAN ALREADY SEE THE LINE AND P0P 0N MY FR0NT DELT. L00K AT MY TRAPS IN THAT PIC. THERE'S N0THING DIFFERENT FR0M N0W. I'M JUST 30 LBS HEAVIER. MY BR0THER IS ALS0 3 INCHES SH0RTER THAN ME MINUS 21 LBS. AGAIN L00K AT MY FR0NT DELT AND TRAPS. MY TRAPS ARE ALREADY HIGH. THIS IS 17 PRE LIFTING AND N0T FLEXING. YAH I'M SURE T0NS 0F 17 YEAR 0LDS HAVE DELTS P0PPING WITH0UT LIFTING IN THAT P0SE. LMA0.
I can't ever read your shit because of the fucking caps lock and that damn zero.....just an FYI...a cheap keyboard is like $10
HTH
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The CAPS thing seems to be contagious these days on getbig...it's like little guys who ride large motorcycles..
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If that guy went to the gym instead of focusing almost soley on diet for leaness he could be a lot bigger as a natural.
I'd bet all he does is cardio, like cycling or jogging and maybe 'core' exercises on the swiss ball and a few light weights to 'tone'.
His arms are very skinny, any natural who lifts weights for at least a year could have bigger arms.
Not saying it's a bad physique, he looks fit and in shape, but doesn't look like he lifts weights though.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WHO SAYS THAT GUY FOCUSES ON DIET? MY FRIEND MODELS AND HE DOESN'T DO JACK SHIT BUT PLAY BASKETBALL 3-4 TIME A WEEK AND HE'S BIGGER, OR AT LEAST HARDER THAN THAT. 5'10, 155 LEGIT 6% BODY FAT.
HE EATS MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE A DAY. A BIG ASS MEAL OF POPEYES OR SOME OTHER SHIT AND KEEPS THAT BODY. THESE ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT CAN BE HUGE ON HORMONES.
LIKE ASS BRUISE, BEFORE HE LIFTED YOU SEE THE GENES...BIG CHEST AND DECENT ARMS. IF MY FRIEND ACTUALLY LIFTED HE'D FILL OUT TO 175-180 AND THEN BLOW UP TESTOSTERONA.
UNFORTUNATELY FOR ME, I STARTED OUT ABOUT 10LBS LESS ALL OF IT BEING THAT KIND OF MUSCLE. I WAS SKINNY TOO, NOT LEAN. I DIDNT HAVE THAT 6 PACK LIKE ASS BRUISE OR THOSE ENGRAVED ABS LIKE MY FRIEND.
THESE GUYS ARE THE ONE'S WHERE WE SAY GENETICS MATTER IN TERMS OF A STARTING POINT. BUT OVERALL ITS WHERE YOU END WITH RESPONSE TO HORMONES.I RESPOND, VERY WELL. PERHAPS CAUSE I CAME IN VERY LEAN AND THEN USED, IDK BUT MY BODY SOAKED IT UP.
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Yes, "used to be" is the keyword here.
I was stupid. Bodybuilding is the muscle drugs.
you did a cycle?
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