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Never seen this video before. Does anyone know what year it is from?
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I can never get over how light the weights are that these pros use, just don't get it.
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this was from the year 2000 i think, its from Nasser ont he way part 2- a greatly entertaning and informative DVD
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I can never get over how light the weights are that these pros use, just don't get it.
Simple: it's body building--not powerlifting.
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Simple: it's body building--not powerlifting.
I know it's bodybuilding, it's why they weren't doing power cleans.
I also know that it's like Haney said "stimulate, don't annihilate".
But these pros can stimulate their muscles well, or should be able to with 140lb dumbells instead of the 90s they were using.
Ron Coleman did 200s, but that's just for show. I doubt he did that kind of weight every week.
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OK......FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME.......WEIGHT USED IN TRAINING IS IRRELEVENT.....FOR CHRIST SAKE....WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFEE......WHY ARE THESE YOUNGSTERS SO SURE THAT EXTREMELY HEAVY POUNDAGE IS NEEDED. ARNOLD NEVER ROWED WITH MORE THAN 185.....HANEY NEVER ROWED WITH MORE THAN 185-225......YATES NEVER INCLINED MORE THAN 405-425.....MANY OTHER PROS USED MORE THAN HIM.....BUT HE HAD THE PEC DEVELOPMENT.
JAY USES HEAVY WEIGHT AT TIMES.....BUT HEAVY FOR HIM....NOT TO BEAT PERSONAL RECORDS IN THE GYM.....MANY TIMES HE SQUATS WITH 405.....BUT HAS OVER 30 INCH QUADS.
ROBBY ROBINSON HAD SENSATIONAL BIS.....HE USED MODERATE WEIGHTS.....JUST A FEW EXAMPLES FOR SOME OF YOU BLOKES THAT STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POWERLIFTING AND BODYBUILDING.....PLEASE GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!
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Simple: it's body building--not powerlifting.
x1,000. there's no reason to. why use stupid weight when you can achieve better stimulation w/ something more moderate? + less risk of injury = no brainer
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OK......FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME.......WEIGHT USED IN TRAINING IS IRRELEVENT.....FOR CHRIST SAKE....WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFEE......WHY ARE THESE YOUNGSTERS SO SURE THAT EXTREMELY HEAVY POUNDAGE IS NEEDED. ARNOLD NEVER ROWED WITH MORE THAN 185.....HANEY NEVER ROWED WITH MORE THAN 185-225......YATES NEVER INCLINED MORE THAN 405-425.....MANY OTHER PROS USED MORE THAN HIM.....BUT HE HAD THE PEC DEVELOPMENT.
JAY USES HEAVY WEIGHT AT TIMES.....BUT HEAVY FOR HIM....NOT TO BEAT PERSONAL RECORDS IN THE GYM.....MANY TIMES HE SQUATS WITH 405.....BUT HAS OVER 30 INCH QUADS.
ROBBY ROBINSON HAD SENSATIONAL BIS.....HE USED MODERATE WEIGHTS.....JUST A FEW EXAMPLES FOR SOME OF YOU BLOKES THAT STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN POWERLIFTING AND BODYBUILDING.....PLEASE GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!
I can do several sets of 125 dumbells on the flat bench at 10 - 12 reps no problem, bitch weight honestly. They weren't even doing that!
If they were doing weight that they could only get 6 reps out of, yeah drop the weight down. If they can handle it, they should do it. That's all I'm saying.
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WHY WOULD YOU BRAG ABOUT 125 FOR SEVERAL SETS......BRO......IF YOU HAVE A WORLD CLASS PHYSIQUE......THEN GREAT......EXCELLENT.... OUTSTANDING.....BUT IF YOU ARE SOME GYM RAT IN MIDDLE AMERICA.....AND YOU DON'T HAVE A GREAT PHYSIQUE.....WHAT GOOD IS PRESSING 125 POUND DBS......WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT POUNDAGE SO MUCH.....YOU MUST BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE MAGS.....IF YOU WANT TO BRAG THAT YOU USE MORE WEIGHT THAN JAY AND NASSER.....YOU BETTER HAVE THEIR SIZE AND DEVELOPMENT.....OTHERWIS E.....YOUR FRIGGIN 125S DON'T MEAN DONKEY DICK.
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I can do several sets of 125 dumbells on the flat bench at 10 - 12 reps no problem, bitch weight honestly. They weren't even doing that!
If they were doing weight that they could only get 6 reps out of, yeah drop the weight down. If they can handle it, they should do it. That's all I'm saying.
perhaps you should write these dudes to inform them they've got the wrong idea here. ;)
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WHY WOULD YOU BRAG ABOUT 125 FOR SEVERAL SETS......BRO......IF YOU HAVE A WORLD CLASS PHYSIQUE......THEN GREAT......EXCELLENT.... OUTSTANDING.....BUT IF YOU ARE SOME GYM RAT IN MIDDLE AMERICA.....AND YOU DON'T HAVE A GREAT PHYSIQUE.....WHAT GOOD IS PRESSING 125 POUND DBS......WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT POUNDAGE SO MUCH.....YOU MUST BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE MAGS.....IF YOU WANT TO BRAG THAT YOU USE MORE WEIGHT THAN JAY AND NASSER.....YOU BETTER HAVE THEIR SIZE AND DEVELOPMENT.....OTHERWIS E.....YOUR FRIGGIN 125S DON'T MEAN DONKEY DICK.
I'm not bragging by any means lol. I was just using an example, 125 dumbbells is nothing to brag about.
What you read in the magazines is only 15 percent of the truth so no I don't read that crap. I'm just an advocate of hard work.
Again, if you can lift it, why not. What you see a lot of times these days are lazyass bodybuilders getting away with doing the least amount of work.
Doing the least amount of work is enough these days, if you're on a heavy cycle, which these fellas are.
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I know it's bodybuilding, it's why they weren't doing power cleans.
I also know that it's like Haney said "stimulate, don't annihilate".
But these pros can stimulate their muscles well, or should be able to with 140lb dumbells instead of the 90s they were using.
Ron Coleman did 200s, but that's just for show. I doubt he did that kind of weight every week.
Why do that (and risk injury) when it's not necessary? This sport is all about show--not substance. Remember when your bubble was burst when you found out that many photo shoots involve the use of fake weights? Now, think about site injections and all the other "untruths" that surround this 'sport'. Remember, it is all for show! And there is nothing wrong with that... as long as you realize that is, in fact, what it is.
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Same reason why you see guys lifting pussy weights with shit form. Basically these guys could mow their lawns and grow massive legs..well.. as long as their drinking 'gh15 cocktails'
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Why do that (and risk injury) when it's not necessary? This sport is all about show--not substance. Remember when your bubble was burst when you found out that many photo shoots involve the use of fake weights? Now, think about site injections and all the other "untruths" that surround this 'sport'. Remember, it is all for show! And there is nothing wrong with that... as long as you realize is, in fact, what it is.
Yeah you're def right about all the fake crap behind it. shit man, at least lift heavy for the videos!
What's the end result? Absolute hard work - not necessary in bodybuilding, just the doses
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they can just stand for a few minutes and grow their quads
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I can never get over how light the weights are that these pros use, just don't get it.
Light weights... heavy cycles.
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I know it's bodybuilding, it's why they weren't doing power cleans.
I also know that it's like Haney said "stimulate, don't annihilate".
But these pros can stimulate their muscles well, or should be able to with 140lb dumbells instead of the 90s they were using.
Ron Coleman did 200s, but that's just for show. I doubt he did that kind of weight every week.
That's why guys like,Ronnie,Yates and Ferrigno ended up with torn muscles by age 40.....
Again, is BB, learn from guys like Nubret,Robinson,Labrada,Taylor etc.....
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Always baffled me how people can bench and squat similar amounts. I can squat and deadlift ~400 but I'm damned if I can bench more than 180.
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nasser on the way part 2...(2001)
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Yeah, this was from 2000. Boys were getting ready for the Olympia. This was also the time when Nasser's physique began to fade away. He still was able to beat Priest, Ruhl and Cutler and was fifth at the Olympia but you could see that he was a shadow of his former self.
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Again, if you can lift it, why not.
Because if you don't have to, then why would you?
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ALL RIGHT.......
HERE WE GO AGAIN......
SOME OF YOU DUDES ARE STILL INTO THE WHOLE HEAVIER IS BETTER AND ALL THAT NONSENSE...
LEE HANEY NEVER DID ANY FORM OF SYNTHOL.....HE TRAINED AND PERFECTED HIS PHYSIQUE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.....STIMULATE DON'T ANNIHILATE.......SERGE NUBRET ALSO FOLLOWED THIS SYSTEM OF TRAINING......LANCE DREHER ALSO BELIEVED IN MODERATE WEIGHT AND TENSING AND SQUEEZING THE MUSCLES.....TIME UNDER TENSION IF YOU WILL.....I AM GOING TO LET THIS GO....BUT JUST WANT TO GET THE POINT ACROSS THAT MANY CHAMPS USED TO HEAVE WEIGHTS IN THEIR EARLIER YEARS.....THEN THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR AND SOME MATURATION....IT DAWNED ON THEM THAT FEELING THE MUSCLE WORK WAS KEY.....AND GETTING BLOOD INTO THE MUSCLE WAS ESSENTIAL FOR SIZE......JUST MY .02 HERE.....YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE.....BUT THIS IS THE TRUTH...USE ENOUGH WEIGHT TO GET THE JOB DONE......ALL THE WHILE TRYING TO AVOID INJURIES....IT IS BASICALLY REFERRED TO AS TRAINING SMART.
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I know it's bodybuilding, it's why they weren't doing power cleans.
I also know that it's like Haney said "stimulate, don't annihilate".
But these pros can stimulate their muscles well, or should be able to with 140lb dumbells instead of the 90s they were using.
Ron Coleman did 200s, but that's just for show. I doubt he did that kind of weight every week.
Coleman was a seriuos bber... the others train like pussies compared to him... and his hard training got him 8 olympias and he ended bbing... Coleman was the last bber, now is all about pagent gay escort...
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I stay away from discussing training, because it leads to nowhere. One guy spends so much time in the gym doing what he thinks is right. After devoting so much time and attention to this,how would he ever think his method isnt right? The answer is never.
But think about this. grab 2 identical twins for 1 year. Have one bench 135 for whatever reps as long as he's 'feeling' the muscle and pumping blood into it. Then take the other twin and get his bench from 135 to 315. With identical genetics and diets, who do you think will get bigger by the end of that year?
I remember the last time I looked at a bodybuilding mag(I think it was flex) I was reading bout some pros training routine, and all he talked about was getting a pump. Pump this pump that. Turn the page and theres a 2 page add for superpump. coincidence?
These pros all had a base of strength training. And these are the elite when it comes to genetics, training,diet, rest. So stop comparing yourself to Lee Haney. The average gym rat who wants to get big should focus on strength.
And this whole 'avoiding' injury is a crock of shit and you know it! Most of the injuries you see happen during light or warm up sets, or when doing something stupid.
Sorry I just find it amusing someone bases their training on a few elite bodybuilders and what they were doing when they reached their size limit.
Of course 300 lb Jay Cutler isnt going to squat 600 lbs. Thats not his goal anymore.
Ok guys I'm going to take my supplement stack then rep out 1,000 curls with 5lb db's. I'm sure if I pump enough blood in there they'll just blow up. ::)
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the best bodybuilders,you will find used some serious heavy ass weights,the segment with jay and nasser is only one training session in nasser on the way #2.look at the videos when jay was chasing ronnie,especially on back work,arnold always had an offseason when he trained very heavy,the workouts on the battle videos are all pre-contest,so the athletes shouldnt be as strong,yet a lot of them still are,yes bodybuilding aint powerlifting,in powerlifting all that matters is how much you can squat,bench and deadlift for one rep,also leehaney was plenty stong.
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GOD DAMN IT......I SAID NOTHING ABOUT 5 POUND DUMBBELLS......I SAID MODERATE WEIGHT.
YOU BLOKES TAKE THINGS THE WRONG WAY......MODERATE WEIGHT AND SLIGHTLY HIGHER REPS.....CURLS WITH 50S AND 12-15 REPS.......IS WHAT I AM SAYING......OR FEELING 120 POUND DUMBBELL PRESSES INSTEAD OF THROWING UP 180S.......USE YOUR MIND AND COMMON SENSE.
YOU CAN GET GREAT RESULTS SQUATTING WITH 315-405 AND GOING DEEP ENOUGH.....BUT SOME OF YOU GUYS WHO LIKE TO STIR THE SOUP.... THINK YOU NEED 700 POUND SQUATS......WHICH YOU DON'T.......FEEL THE MUSCLE WORKING......I AM NOT SAYING ULTRA LIGHT.....THE POSTER ABOVE IS IN LA LA LAND......I MENTION NOTHING OF 5 POUND DUMBBELLS......I SPEAK OF MODERATRE WEIGHT AND TIME UNDER TENSION......LEE HANEY WAS THE ORIGINAL 8 TIME WINNER OF THE OLYMPIA TITLE.....HE ALSO REMAINED INJURY FREE.....AND DEVELOPED ONE OF THE BEST PHYSIQUES EVER TO GRACE A PRO STAGE......AGAIN.....PLE ASE USE COMMON SENSE......YOU ARE TALKING RUBBISH IF YOU THINK I AM ENDORSING ULTRA LIGHT WEIGHTS......I AM SAYING MODERATE WEIGHTS.....IN BETWEEN LIGHT AND HEAVY......JUST ENOUGHT TO CHALLENGE THE MUSCLE. LOOK AT POWERLIFTERS WHO FOCUS ON NOTHING BUT MOVING WEIGHT.....THEY LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT THAN YOUR TYPICAL NATIONAL LEVEL BBER.....LET ALONE A TOP LEVEL PRO BBER. WEIGHT FOR THE SAKE OF WEIGHT IS JUST A FOOLISH WAY TO TRAIN......JUST LIKE LIBERALLY ADDING BODYWEIGHT FOR THE SAKE OF THROWING MASS ON YOUR BODY IS POINTLESS......QUALITY NOT QUANTITY IS THE KEY.
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GOD DAMN IT......I SAID NOTHING ABOUT 5 POUND DUMBBELLS......I SAID MODERATE WEIGHT.
YOU BLOKES TAKE THINGS THE WRONG WAY......MODERATE WEIGHT AND SLIGHTLY HIGHER REPS.....CURLS WITH 50S AND 12-15 REPS.......IS WHAT I AM SAYING......OR FEELING 120 POUND DUMBBELL PRESSES INSTEAD OF THROWING UP 180S.......USE YOUR MIND AND COMMON SENSE.
YOU CAN GET GREAT RESULTS SQUATTING WITH 315-405 AND GOING DEEP ENOUGH.....BUT SOME OF YOU GUYS WHO LIKE TO STIR THE SOUP.... THINK YOU NEED 700 POUND SQUATS......WHICH YOU DON'T.......FEEL THE MUSCLE WORKING......I AM NOT SAYING ULTRA LIGHT.....THE POSTER ABOVE IS IN LA LA LAND......I MENTION NOTHING OF 5 POUND DUMBBELLS......I SPEAK OF MODERATRE WEIGHT AND TIME UNDER TENSION......LEE HANEY WAS THE ORIGINAL 8 TIME WINNER OF THE OLYMPIA TITLE.....HE ALSO REMAINED INJURY FREE.....AND DEVELOPED ONE OF THE BEST PHYSIQUES EVER TO GRACE A PRO STAGE......AGAIN.....PLE ASE USE COMMON SENSE......YOU ARE TALKING RUBBISH IF YOU THINK I AM ENDORSING ULTRA LIGHT WEIGHTS......I AM SAYING MODERATE WEIGHTS.....IN BETWEEN LIGHT AND HEAVY......JUST ENOUGHT TO CHALLENGE THE MUSCLE. LOOK AT POWERLIFTERS WHO FOCUS ON NOTHING BUT MOVING WEIGHT.....THEY LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT THAN YOUR TYPICAL NATIONAL LEVEL BBER.....LET ALONE A TOP LEVEL PRO BBER. WEIGHT FOR THE SAKE OF WEIGHT IS JUST A FOOLISH WAY TO TRAIN......JUST LIKE LIBERALLY ADDING BODYWEIGHT FOR THE SAKE OF THROWING MASS ON YOUR BODY IS POINTLESS......QUALITY NOT QUANTITY IS THE KEY.
Why the hell was Coleman the biggest olympia ever? Don't come with the "genetics" crap... Haney and Ahhhnold had better genetics (nevertheless Ahhhnold trained harder than 99% pros today)
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Was he the best???????????????? are the guys today bigger?????? YES........But are they better......NO!!!!!!!!!
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I stay away from discussing training, because it leads to nowhere. One guy spends so much time in the gym doing what he thinks is right. After devoting so much time and attention to this,how would he ever think his method isnt right? The answer is never.
But think about this. grab 2 identical twins for 1 year. Have one bench 135 for whatever reps as long as he's 'feeling' the muscle and pumping blood into it. Then take the other twin and get his bench from 135 to 315. With identical genetics and diets, who do you think will get bigger by the end of that year?
I remember the last time I looked at a bodybuilding mag(I think it was flex) I was reading bout some pros training routine, and all he talked about was getting a pump. Pump this pump that. Turn the page and theres a 2 page add for superpump. coincidence?
These pros all had a base of strength training. And these are the elite when it comes to genetics, training,diet, rest. So stop comparing yourself to Lee Haney. The average gym rat who wants to get big should focus on strength.
And this whole 'avoiding' injury is a crock of shit and you know it! Most of the injuries you see happen during light or warm up sets, or when doing something stupid.
Sorry I just find it amusing someone bases their training on a few elite bodybuilders and what they were doing when they reached their size limit.
Of course 300 lb Jay Cutler isnt going to squat 600 lbs. Thats not his goal anymore.
Ok guys I'm going to take my supplement stack then rep out 1,000 curls with 5lb db's. I'm sure if I pump enough blood in there they'll just blow up. ::)
Great response ! which is why I don't get into that discussion
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Ive found that my arms are noticably fuller when lowering the weight A BIT and staying away from too many failure sets.
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Yes you need to use good form. If pumping blood into a muscle has any effect on growth, then curling 5lbs for a 1,000 reps will pump in a lot of blood, correct?
Now you say moderate weight. Which is different for everyone, so I'll assume it's 10-15 rep range to failure. Can you honestly tell me that If I use good form with 225 on the bench for 10 good reps, It wont make a difference if I use 315 for 10 good reps?
If your playing the size game you need to add weight to the bar. The best programs are based around the principle of progression. But thats just my opinion. Go ahead and do what a pro does who has 20 years lifting experience, who already has enough size, who pays a mortgage to his drug supplier.
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Why the hell was Coleman the biggest olympia ever? Don't come with the "genetics" crap... Haney and Ahhhnold had better genetics (nevertheless Ahhhnold trained harder than 99% pros today)
Haha, nice one ;D You were joking.. right?
Ronnie had way better genetics than neither of those. Way better. Superior.
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Haha, nice one ;D You were joking.. right?
Ronnie had way better genetics than neither of those. Way better. Superior.
Especially in his calves...
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Bro......all i am saying is that you use a weight that is moderate for you....might be 275... might be 315.....everyone has different strength levels......if heavier is the best way to grow....then tell me why powerlifters look so much different than bbers.....moderate weight can be made to feel challenging if execute the lift in the proper fashion.....you guys make this stuff so hard.....keep it simple.....8-9-10-11 reps are the best reps to grow......co-ordinate the weight of your choice to those reps.....3-4-5 reps are better for strength gains.....if you want hypertrophy......focus on slightly higher reps.....all the while making sure to get a nice pump and avoid injuries.....all i am saying is this plain and simple. Train your muscles not your ego.....avoid tears and strains and feel the muscle working......time under tension is key. Over and out. I said nothing about 135 benches or 5 pound db curls......kids just trying to get a whitty debate going here......keep it simple and stay away from poundages that work tendons and not muscles. Really simple if you think about it.
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Huge bodybuilders should train with huge weights, period. If they become huge without the use of considerable resistance, it's testament their to abuse of chemicals/hormones and genetics that respond well to such cocktails.
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Bro......all i am saying is that you use a weight that is moderate for you....might be 275... might be 315.....everyone has different strength levels......if heavier is the best way to grow....then tell me why powerlifters look so much different than bbers.....moderate weight can be made to feel challenging if execute the lift in the proper fashion.....you guys make this stuff so hard.....keep it simple.....8-9-10-11 reps are the best reps to grow......co-ordinate the weight of your choice to those reps.....3-4-5 reps are better for strength gains.....if you want hypertrophy......focus on slightly higher reps.....all the while making sure to get a nice pump and avoid injuries.....all i am saying is this plain and simple. Train your muscles not your ego.....avoid tears and strains and feel the muscle working......time under tension is key. Over and out. I said nothing about 135 benches or 5 pound db curls......kids just trying to get a whitty debate going here......keep it simple and stay away from poundages that work tendons and not muscles. Really simple if you think about it.
I am a powerlifter... my training methods are completely different...
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powerlifters rep ranges are different than bodybuilders,usually triples at the most.if they train like bodybuilders at all,it is to build up a specific musclegroup,to help out a sticking pt. in a lift,or for rehab or prehab,also the ones that look like bodybuilders it is usually,gentics,or the fact they train like a bodybuilder in their offseason,or the very few that really pay attention to nutrition.
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Yes you need to use good form. If pumping blood into a muscle has any effect on growth, then curling 5lbs for a 1,000 reps will pump in a lot of blood, correct?
Now you say moderate weight. Which is different for everyone, so I'll assume it's 10-15 rep range to failure. Can you honestly tell me that If I use good form with 225 on the bench for 10 good reps, It wont make a difference if I use 315 for 10 good reps?
If your playing the size game you need to add weight to the bar. The best programs are based around the principle of progression. But thats just my opinion. Go ahead and do what a pro does who has 20 years lifting experience, who already has enough size, who pays a mortgage to his drug supplier.
ffs dude, he's saying that, for bodybuilding purposes, you use weights you can easily control for slightly higher reps and ensure you're feeling the muscle. He's not saying to try to build up an insane amount of lactic acid, he's not saying avoid the fast twitch, he's not saying never progress... all he's saying is that you don't use the heaviest weights possible. As you approach the heaviest weight you can use, your form starts to break down and the body behaves differently, doing everything in its power to ensure the weight goes up. This is what you want to avoid -- you want to have total control over the weight and feel the target muscles getting hit.
If you can do 315 on bench for five reps, all out, completely balls to the wall, blood pressure through the roof etc, and progress to 320 lbs in a month, 325 the next month, etc. do you really think that if you stick to 225-275 and get 10 reps smooth, perfect reps, getting a huge pump, you somehow all of a sudden are magically not going to be able to add those same five lbs a month and progress, all the while putting way less strain on your connective tissues?
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Willie said weight is irrelevant. Then he tries to support his argument by using some of the greatest bodybuilders to ever grace this earth as his examples.
As far as your second point. I wont argue. You could very well grow from either method. Maybe my point got lost because I had to defend other training methods. But, the point I was trying to make is that there is no one way to lift. But Willie decided that his methods are the be all end all, and anyone who trains differently 'doesnt get it'
To the contrary, anyone who has spent time in the gym knows that we all have to figure out what is best for our own unique bodies, and ignore the ignorance of what the 'experts' tell us.
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my friend......if weight was the end all be all......ed coan would be a great bber......you are pushing your point just as hard as i am pushing mine.....by the way......not all the great bbers are genetic superiors.....they all had to train for years......but you are one of the many that hang your hat on the old belief that only the genetic elite place well in bbing shows.....my friend......lets agree to disagree.....i hold nothing personal against you.
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the best bodybuilders,you will find used some serious heavy ass weights,the segment with jay and nasser is only one training session in nasser on the way #2.look at the videos when jay was chasing ronnie,especially on back work,arnold always had an offseason when he trained very heavy,the workouts on the battle videos are all pre-contest,so the athletes shouldnt be as strong,yet a lot of them still are,yes bodybuilding aint powerlifting,in powerlifting all that matters is how much you can squat,bench and deadlift for one rep,also leehaney was plenty stong.
training heavy is for naturals with big ego's, all it does it get you hurt in the long run and injury prone.
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OK......FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME.......WEIGHT USED IN TRAINING IS IRRELEVENT.....FOR CHRIST SAKE....WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFEE
sorry dude... Weight does matter. It is relevent. The only reason these pros weigh 300lbs while training with moderate weights are the chemicals. Thats it.
If you are natural; train heavy and always seek to get stronger