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Title: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 07:51:45 AM
Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015279772_overturned10m.html


The state Supreme Court has thrown out a man's murder conviction in a 2006 gang-related shooting in Pioneer Square, ruling that the prosecutor who tried the case resorted to "racist arguments" to attack defense witnesses.

By Jennifer Sullivan

Seattle Times staff reporter

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The state Supreme Court has thrown out a man's murder conviction in a 2006 gang-related shooting in Pioneer Square, ruling that the prosecutor who tried the case resorted to "racist arguments" to attack defense witnesses.

The court, in an 8-1 ruling, found that James Konat, a veteran King County deputy prosecutor now trying a high-profile murder case, engaged in "prosecutorial misconduct" in questioning witnesses during the trial of Kevin L. Monday Jr., who was convicted in 2007 of first-degree murder and first-degree assault, and sentenced to 64 years in prison.

During the trial, Konat questioned witnesses, many of them black, about a purported street "code" that he claimed prevented some from talking to the police, according to the Supreme Court's majority opinion written by Justice Tom Chambers. In questioning some witnesses, Konat made references to the "PO-leese," the justices found.

During his closing argument to jurors, Konat also said that while witnesses denied the presence of such a code, "the code is black folk don't testify against black folk. You don't snitch to the police," according to the Supreme Court decision.

Monday, 25, is black; Konat is white.

Monday appealed the conviction on a number of grounds, claiming that Konat "made a blatant and inappropriate appeal to racial prejudice and undermined the credibility of African-American witnesses based on their race," according to the Supreme Court.

The state Court of Appeals agreed that Konat had appealed to racial prejudice during the trial, but upheld Monday's conviction.

But the Supreme Court, in Thursday's ruling, cited Konat's comments as grounds for the conviction to be overturned, saying that they cast doubt on the credibility of the witnesses based on their race. One justice called the deputy prosecutor's comments "repugnant."

"Defendants are among the people the prosecutor represents. The prosecutor owes a duty to defendants to see that their rights to a constitutionally fair trial are not violated," Chambers wrote.

"The State repeatedly invoked an alleged African American, anti-snitch code to discount the credibility of his own witnesses ... it is deeply troubling that an experienced prosecutor who, by his own account, had been a prosecutor for 18 years would resort to such tactics," the ruling said.

The justices contend that the only reason that Konat used the pronunciation "PO-leese" was to "subtly, and likely deliberately, call to the jury's attention that the witness was African American."

Justice James M. Johnson, the lone dissenter, said that even if Konat's comments "arguably tainted the jury's impressions," the murder case still was proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

Seattle police said that Monday fired at least 10 shots at Francisco Roche Green near the corner of Yesler Way and Occidental Avenue South in the early hours of April 22, 2006. Monday was also accused of firing gunshots at a vehicle and wounding the driver and a passenger. The incident was caught on video by a street musician who was in the area when shots were fired.

King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg said he spoke with Konat after the trial and told him his comments were unacceptable. In response, all deputy prosecutors have been through retraining about potential prosecutorial misconduct, Satterberg said on Thursday.

Konat, 53, could not be reached Thursday to comment.

He is lead prosecutor in the trial of Isaiah Kalebu, who is charged with aggravated murder in the slaying of Teresa Butz and the rape of her partner in their South Park home in July 2009.

A spokesman for Satterberg's office said Konat was not formally disciplined.

Konat's words "do not represent the view of this office. It was regrettable," Satterberg said. He called Konat's method of explaining the so-called "code" in which witnesses don't talk to prosecutors or police "inartful and offensive."

But in response to Monday's appeal in 2008, the Prosecutor's Office maintained that Konat hadn't done anything wrong.

"The prosecutor's comment in final argument that 'Black folk don't testify against black folk' was nothing more than a summary of evidence in the case, consistent with the realities of the lack of cooperation and hostility by most of the transactional witnesses who testified. This was not prosecutorial misconduct," according to the filing written by now-retired Senior Deputy Prosecutor Lee Yates.

Satterberg said Monday will be retried, but a different deputy prosecutor will be assigned to the case.

Sarah Dunne, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Western Washington, which filed a brief in support of Monday's appeal, said Konat's "behavior undermined the right to a fair trial."

Defense attorney Nancy Collins, who represented Monday in his appeals, said in an email Thursday that it's "unfortunate that any prosecutor needed to be reminded of these basic principles in our justice system."

Jennifer Sullivan: 206-464-8294 or jensullivan@seattletimes.com



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Only in a failed legal system do ludicrous appeals like this win.  

Funny - thing the incident is caught on tape, no one disputes that this savage and wild dog committed the murder and rape, but now everyone is upset that the DA used a term and argumment that everyone knows to be the truth.  

Unreal.  
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 11, 2011, 08:12:56 AM
Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015279772_overturned10m.html


The state Supreme Court has thrown out a man's murder conviction in a 2006 gang-related shooting in Pioneer Square, ruling that the prosecutor who tried the case resorted to "racist arguments" to attack defense witnesses.

By Jennifer Sullivan

Seattle Times staff reporter

________________________ ________________________ _____

 


The state Supreme Court has thrown out a man's murder conviction in a 2006 gang-related shooting in Pioneer Square, ruling that the prosecutor who tried the case resorted to "racist arguments" to attack defense witnesses.

The court, in an 8-1 ruling, found that James Konat, a veteran King County deputy prosecutor now trying a high-profile murder case, engaged in "prosecutorial misconduct" in questioning witnesses during the trial of Kevin L. Monday Jr., who was convicted in 2007 of first-degree murder and first-degree assault, and sentenced to 64 years in prison.

During the trial, Konat questioned witnesses, many of them black, about a purported street "code" that he claimed prevented some from talking to the police, according to the Supreme Court's majority opinion written by Justice Tom Chambers. In questioning some witnesses, Konat made references to the "PO-leese," the justices found.

During his closing argument to jurors, Konat also said that while witnesses denied the presence of such a code, "the code is black folk don't testify against black folk. You don't snitch to the police," according to the Supreme Court decision.

Monday, 25, is black; Konat is white.

Monday appealed the conviction on a number of grounds, claiming that Konat "made a blatant and inappropriate appeal to racial prejudice and undermined the credibility of African-American witnesses based on their race," according to the Supreme Court.

The state Court of Appeals agreed that Konat had appealed to racial prejudice during the trial, but upheld Monday's conviction.

But the Supreme Court, in Thursday's ruling, cited Konat's comments as grounds for the conviction to be overturned, saying that they cast doubt on the credibility of the witnesses based on their race. One justice called the deputy prosecutor's comments "repugnant."

"Defendants are among the people the prosecutor represents. The prosecutor owes a duty to defendants to see that their rights to a constitutionally fair trial are not violated," Chambers wrote.

"The State repeatedly invoked an alleged African American, anti-snitch code to discount the credibility of his own witnesses ... it is deeply troubling that an experienced prosecutor who, by his own account, had been a prosecutor for 18 years would resort to such tactics," the ruling said.

The justices contend that the only reason that Konat used the pronunciation "PO-leese" was to "subtly, and likely deliberately, call to the jury's attention that the witness was African American."

Justice James M. Johnson, the lone dissenter, said that even if Konat's comments "arguably tainted the jury's impressions," the murder case still was proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

Seattle police said that Monday fired at least 10 shots at Francisco Roche Green near the corner of Yesler Way and Occidental Avenue South in the early hours of April 22, 2006. Monday was also accused of firing gunshots at a vehicle and wounding the driver and a passenger. The incident was caught on video by a street musician who was in the area when shots were fired.

King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg said he spoke with Konat after the trial and told him his comments were unacceptable. In response, all deputy prosecutors have been through retraining about potential prosecutorial misconduct, Satterberg said on Thursday.

Konat, 53, could not be reached Thursday to comment.

He is lead prosecutor in the trial of Isaiah Kalebu, who is charged with aggravated murder in the slaying of Teresa Butz and the rape of her partner in their South Park home in July 2009.

A spokesman for Satterberg's office said Konat was not formally disciplined.

Konat's words "do not represent the view of this office. It was regrettable," Satterberg said. He called Konat's method of explaining the so-called "code" in which witnesses don't talk to prosecutors or police "inartful and offensive."

But in response to Monday's appeal in 2008, the Prosecutor's Office maintained that Konat hadn't done anything wrong.

"The prosecutor's comment in final argument that 'Black folk don't testify against black folk' was nothing more than a summary of evidence in the case, consistent with the realities of the lack of cooperation and hostility by most of the transactional witnesses who testified. This was not prosecutorial misconduct," according to the filing written by now-retired Senior Deputy Prosecutor Lee Yates.

Satterberg said Monday will be retried, but a different deputy prosecutor will be assigned to the case.

Sarah Dunne, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Western Washington, which filed a brief in support of Monday's appeal, said Konat's "behavior undermined the right to a fair trial."

Defense attorney Nancy Collins, who represented Monday in his appeals, said in an email Thursday that it's "unfortunate that any prosecutor needed to be reminded of these basic principles in our justice system."

Jennifer Sullivan: 206-464-8294 or jensullivan@seattletimes.com



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Only in a failed legal system do ludicrous appeals like this win.  

Funny - thing the incident is caught on tape, no one disputes that this savage and wild dog committed the murder and rape, but now everyone is upset that the DA used a term and argumment that everyone knows to be the truth.  

Unreal.  


Stupid thing for Konat to do and an 8-1 Supreme Court Ruling speaks volumes since that includes Republican appointed justices.  You can't prejudice the jury in any form or fashion in order to get a conviction and you certainly cannot attack defense witnesses accusing them of racial improperity...period.

Now he'll be set free and won't be tried again because of double jeopardy.  Konat didn't need to say that but he thought he could sneak it in to seal the deal.  Big mistake
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 08:23:24 AM
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Right so instead, if he only used the term :   "the code in the hood", than that would be ok? 


Whatever.  I hope you sympathize with the family of the next victim of this savage once he's freed.
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 11, 2011, 08:53:55 AM
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Right so instead, if he only used the term :   "the code in the hood", than that would be ok? 


Whatever.  I hope you sympathize with the family of the next victim of this savage once he's freed.


You don't get it do you.  He implied that everyone in the neighborhood followed the "no snitching" code to rebute the defense witnesses which in fact is the part that was not only racist but incorrect.  Fact is that a lot of gang members snitch when faced with lengthy prison sentence or reward money.  In addition to that, the witnesses in the case are NOT ON TRIAL.


If there's another victim, then its Konat's fault.  He knew that doing something like that would likely get the case overturned.
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Butterbean on June 11, 2011, 08:58:17 AM



If there's another victim, then its Konat's fault.  

 ??? What percentage of fault would you ascribe to the actual murderer?
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: dr.chimps on June 11, 2011, 08:58:49 AM
Wow. Another post about Blacks from the resident racist. What a surprise.  ::)
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 09:00:13 AM

You don't get it do you.  He implied that everyone in the neighborhood followed the "no snitching" code to rebute the defense witnesses which in fact is the part that was not only racist but incorrect.  Fact is that a lot of gang members snitch when faced with lengthy prison sentence or reward money.  In addition to that, the witnesses in the case are NOT ON TRIAL.


If there's another victim, then its Konat's fault.  He knew that doing something like that would likely get the case overturned.

Yeah, not the murderer of course whose caught on tape killing soeone and will now again be free to pillage society.  

And again - why is it racist?

The ghetto thug culture you make excuses for endlessly promote "stop snitching" campaigns, shirts, hats, lyrics in songs "snitches end up in ditches", etc etc.  

The DA was trying to get at why no one would testify.   You dont think this was a reasoanable question to ask?  

 

  
 
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: wes on June 11, 2011, 09:00:49 AM
Wow. Another post about Blacks from the resident racist. What a surprise.  ::)
I knew that was coming !!  ;D
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 09:01:11 AM
Wow. Another post about Blacks from the resident racist. What a surprise.  ::)

Did you read the story?   Wouldyou want this murderer living next to you?  

I'll bet these judges wont have to worry about that.    
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 09:03:19 AM
I knew that was coming !!  ;D


Yeah, cause in USA 2011 and with Mr. Hope & Change in office, unless you are black, you have no right to EVER say a word, criticize, discuss, or comment on anything that possibly brings bad light on blacks. 

And how did the DA's statements prejudice anything?   The guy was caught on tape murdering someone and they never even disputed that.   
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Reeves on June 11, 2011, 09:05:49 AM
Wow. Another post about Blacks from the resident racist. What a surprise.  ::)

You do realize, don't you that you are merely pandering to us "peepses of color" when you capitalize "blacks"?  Oh wait!  I am a mulatto, i.e., one that has be created by adding a little mocha to the latte' and as such have no say in this matter.   ;)  The "One Drop Rule" is only enforced when it's to the benefit of liberalism.

The only question that needs answering is did the person do the crime they were tried for?  This is a matter of humanity or inhumanity, not skin color.  FTN.
No matter the color of our skin, we all bleed in red.  But people forget that or at the least pretend to.  I suggest you do not go there.   Again, was the defendant guilty of the crime or not? 

Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: dr.chimps on June 11, 2011, 09:07:23 AM
You do realize, don't you that you are merely pandering to us "peepses of color" when you capitalize "blacks"?  Oh wait!  I am a mulatto, i.e., one that has be created by adding a little mocha to the latte' and as such have no say in this matter.   ;)  The "One Drop Rule" is only enforced when it's to the benefit of liberalism.

The only question that needs answering is did the person do the crime they were committed of?  This is a matter of humanity or inhumanity, not skin color.  FTN.
No matter the color of our skin, we all bleed in red.  But people forget that or at the least pretend to.  I suggest you do not go there.   Again, was the defendant guilty of the crime or not?  
Black is people. black is a colour.    ;)
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 09:07:35 AM
You do realize, don't you that you are merely pandering to us "peepses of color" when you capitalize "blacks"?  Oh wait!  I am a mulatto, i.e., one that has be created by adding a little mocha to the latte' and as such have no say in this matter.   ;)  The "One Drop Rule" is only enforced when it's to the benefit of liberalism.

The only question that needs answering is did the person do the crime they were committed of?  This is a matter of humanity or inhumanity, not skin color.  FTN.
No matter the color of our skin, we all bleed in red.  But people forget that or at the least pretend to.  I suggest you do not go there.   Again, was the defendant guilty of the crime or not?  



He was caught on film doing it.  
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 11, 2011, 09:07:57 AM
Yeah, not the murderer of course whose caught on tape killing soeone and will now again be free to pillage society.  

And again - why is it racist?

The ghetto thug culture you make excuses for endlessly promote "stop snitching" campaigns, shirts, hats, lyrics in songs "snitches end up in ditches", etc etc.  

The DA was trying to get at why no one would testify.   You dont think this was a reasoanable question to ask?  

 

  
 


He pretty much said that every black person follows a "no snitching street code".  That's why the Supreme Court overturned it in a vast majority.  You can't single out a group of people to do a certain thing.  That would be no different than me saying that all white people eat a Applebee's and listen to Nickelback. ::)
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 11, 2011, 09:08:54 AM
He was caught on film doing it.  


Exactly, so there was no need for Konat to make that comment.  He would have been convicted anyway.
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Tito24 on June 11, 2011, 09:09:13 AM
(http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/chimage.php?image=2007/2056/police.jpg)
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: dr.chimps on June 11, 2011, 09:09:53 AM

He pretty much said that every black person follows a "no snitching street code".  That's why the Supreme Court overturned it in a vast majority.  You can't single out a group of people to do a certain thing.  That would be no different than me saying that all white people eat a Applebee's and listen to Nickelback. ::)
Dead man posting.    >:(       ;D
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 09:10:31 AM

He pretty much said that every black person follows a "no snitching street code".  That's why the Supreme Court overturned it in a vast majority.  You can't single out a group of people to do a certain thing.  That would be no different than me saying that all white people eat a Applebee's and listen to Nickelback. ::)

He was questioning why no witnesses who were there would testify and trying to find out why.  Considering the multitude of "stop snitching" campaigns in the media, and most likely that 995 of those who were there at the scene were black and youths,  I don't see how or why this is just an outrageousthng to question.    
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 09:13:30 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'


Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Montague on June 11, 2011, 09:20:52 AM
If there's another victim, then its Konat's fault.


Come on, man...
Yeah - stupid mistake on Konat's part, but if there's another murder/shooting, the guy who pulls the trigger gets the primary blame!

Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 11, 2011, 09:25:18 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'





That was nothing but some promotional video for a hip hop group that got blown way out of proportion.  Like I said, the majority of gang members out there would snitch on each other for reduced sentences.  
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 09:29:31 AM

That was nothing but some promotional video for a hip hop group that got blown way out of proportion.  Like I said, the majority of gang members out there would snitch on each other for reduced sentences.  

This was about witnesses at the site and the DA trying to as other witnsses why no one else would testify.  Di the guy use poor choice of language given our pc society?  yes. 

But to toss a murder conviction when you have the guy on tape committing the murder?  Come on.     
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Reeves on June 11, 2011, 09:30:00 AM
So class, or at the very least those among you that possess class.  What have we learned here?

That the color of ones skin, so long as it has "color" raises a person above the law?  That to question the "reasoning" of even one person of color is to question and thereby implant in the minds of a jury, suspicion about an entire "race" of peoples?  That to be a "person of color" is deemed far more important than it is to be human and all that humanity entails?  Allow me to explain.

For example, Italians, by way of their relatively paler shade of skin tone and subsequent classification as persons of non-color can be maligned in both print and film because they are eeeeeeeevile "whitey" and as such are deserving of our hatred.  Additionally, only people of Germanic (i.e., totally pale males) can be hated for no reason or any reason or unreasonable reason and all because they are obviously of Nazi ("Nuzi"  ;D as Daffy Duck would say) origin and as everyone knows, its fine and dandy to be a "male oriented racist".  I've met racists of all color.  They hate the human race, except for the female side of the coin.

Gots to give de womens yo' good blood. 

Fuck that noise.  If you believe this decision was right and that the perp should be freed, you are a retard.  Let my peepses go, no matter what.  Let my peepses go.

Do not go there because the majority of you that are liberal haven't the IQ to stand up for genuine Civil Rights let alone against one that is so obviously your mental and perhaps moral superior.   ;D

Fuck the noise of liberalism.

In closing I suggest you search for and read my missive on what I would term 'moral limbo".   ;D And so that all may know it is really I that am writing this...Fuck islam. ;D
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 11, 2011, 09:40:18 AM
This was about witnesses at the site and the DA trying to as other witnsses why no one else would testify.  Di the guy use poor choice of language given our pc society?  yes. 

But to toss a murder conviction when you have the guy on tape committing the murder?  Come on.     

Yep, because it prevented due process.  That's why district attorneys need to go by the book.
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 09:43:41 AM
Yep, because it prevented due process.  That's why district attorneys need to go by the book.

What?  Are you kidding?   The guy is on tape! 
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Reeves on June 11, 2011, 09:49:37 AM
Yep, because it prevented due process.  That's why district attorneys need to go by the book.

You would have them usurp justice and for what?

A matter of "just us".  FTN.
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 09:52:54 AM
The man is on tape killing someone - but according to racist blacks - a white DA making what is arguably a racist statement is worse than a fellow black getting murdered.


Sad but true.   
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 10:04:33 AM
June 11, 2011 
Politically Correct Washington Supreme Court Overturns Murder Conviction
Selwyn Duke



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In 2007, Kevin L. Monday Jr. was convicted for the murder of Francisco Green and received 64 years in prison.  The incident was caught on a 3-minute video recording shot by a street performer, and the footage clearly shows Monday coolly and calculatingly firing 11 shots at Green on a crowded Seattle, Washington, street corner.  Thus, despite the reluctance of witnesses to testify, it was an open-and-shut case.

But now the Washington Supreme Court, in an 8-1 ruling, has overturned the conviction and a lower court that upheld it, claiming that the prosecutor used "racist" arguments.  What is the supposed problem?  While questioning witnesses, veteran King County deputy prosecutor James Konat cited a no-snitching street code in the black community and made references to the "PO-leese."  Writes Jennifer Sullivan of The Washington Times:

During the trial, Konat questioned witnesses, many of them black, about a purported street "code" that he claimed prevented some from talking to the police, according to the Supreme Court's majority opinion written by Justice Tom Chambers.  In questioning some witnesses, Konat made references to the "PO-leese," the justices found.

During his closing argument to jurors, Konat also said that while witnesses denied the presence of such a code, "the code is black folk don't testify against black folk.  You don't snitch to the police...."

Question: Can something be "racist" if it's true?  The street code in question isn't just "purported"; it is real.  And everyone, save the most sheltered and culturally naïve, knows of its existence.  But I guess that the truth, if dare uttered today, will set criminals free.

The lone dissenting justice, James M. Johnson, placed matters in perspective in his dissent, writing:

 [T]he majority misconstrues what the prosecutor said and does not consider the context of the statements, as our case law requires.  This is what [sic] prosecutor said:

[T]he only thing that can explain . . . why witness after witness. . .is called to this stand and flat out denies what cannot be denied on that video is the code.  And the code is black folk don't testify against black folk.  You don't snitch to police.

...The prosecutor's reference was made in the context of a month-long trial in which several witnesses recanted earlier statements made to police and expressed reluctance to testify. Indeed, the trial court noted, "[V]irtually every lay witness has been very reticent to testify in this case, and the memory of virtually every lay witness has had significant holes in places where one would not expect...."

Johnson also addresses the prosecutor's pronunciation of the word "police," writing:

The transcript has the prosecutor saying "po-leese" after the prosecutor had difficulty interacting with [witness] Ms. Sykes throughout her direct examination, and the prosecutor said "we'll use your term then" once before in an unfortunate effort to elicit Ms. Sykes' testimony. See VRP (May 22, 2007) at 14 (using the word "arguing" instead of "confrontation" in describing the surrounding events).

Johnson also points out that the justices in the majority have cast long-standing precedent to the winds:

[P]erhaps most vexing, the majority fails to honestly apply the holding of tried, tested, and controlling precedent.  Appellate courts do not assess "'[t]he prejudicial effect of a prosecutor's improper comments . . . by looking at the comments in isolation but by placing the remarks '"in the context of the total argument, the issues in the case, the evidence addressed in the argument, and the instructions given to the jury.''" State v. Yates....

The majority disregards the context of the total argument.  The majority does not look to the issues in the case.  The majority does not look to the evidence or to the instructions given to the jury.  The majority looks to several comments in isolation.

Let's be blunt: The majority has been brainwashed and is insane.  Like so many today, they have "racism" on the brain and will subordinate everything to it.

This brings us back to my earlier question: The Left does say that something can be "racist" even if it's true.  And it is yet another reason why the r-word has been rendered meaningless.  A prerequisite for "bigotry" or "prejudice" always was that a given belief must not only be negative, but also untrue.  But "racism" was originated by the Left; it is their word and they define it.  And in their relativistic fantasy-world -- in which their feelings have usurped morality's position as the yardstick for judging behavior - "racism's" dictates trump all: It matters not if something is true, only whether it's "racist."  This is why, in places such as Canada, we will hear nonsense about how the truth is no defense against a hate-speech charge.   

And this is why I avoid using the word "racism": The side that defines the vocabulary of a debate wins the debate.  Thus, when we use the Lexicon of the Left -- originated on university campuses and spread through the media -- we have fallen into a Newspeak trap.  The Right needs to watch its collective tongue and maintain the integrity of our language.  Why walk to the beat of the civilization destroyers' drummer?  If the left wants to manipulate the language, we should let them descend into a parallel universe of linguistic insanity without us.

As for the subordination of Truth to agendas, to do it is to confess error.  For a man who cannot stand on Truth is one who is standing behind a lie.  It is a compulsion born of a very dark spirit, indeed.
 




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According to the liberal left -  a white person using an arguably racist term is worse than a black person killing a fellow black person in cold blood.


   
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Reeves on June 11, 2011, 10:08:16 AM
The man is on tape killing someone - but according to racist blacks - a white DA making what is arguably a racist statement is worse than a fellow black getting murdered.


Sad but true.   

If a statement is true, how does that make it "racist"?  It does not.  Keep in mind I am referring to the DA in this instance.  So then...

The fault lies in a culture (ghetto) not befitting the human race.  No one is holding black people down, because some of them want nothing more than to be "down" with their shitty "culture" and that is what holds them back.  Not "whitey".

My parents did not raise a fool.  Perhaps that is because they took an active part in raising me.

Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Reeves on June 11, 2011, 10:27:58 AM
A minor epiphany has revealed to me the truth of the ghetto mindset -

"He ain't guilty.  He's my brotha!"

Say it with me - Fuck That Noise.
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 10:30:46 AM
A minor epiphany has revealed to me the truth of the ghetto mindset -

"He ain't guilty.  He's my brotha!"

Say it with me - Fuck That Noise.


I think they realize he is guilty but still don't care so long as the DA gets called out.   

So when this murderer is let out on the street again, kills their family members, I wonder who they are going to try to blame then.   
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 11, 2011, 10:59:46 AM

I think they realize he is guilty but still don't care so long as the DA gets called out.   

So when this murderer is let out on the street again, kills their family members, I wonder who they are going to try to blame then.   

Prob the same person you blame for everything, Obama
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 11:06:05 AM
Prob the same person you blame for everything, Obama



Obama makes Carter look like George Washington. 

Never in my lifetime have we have a more economically illiterate, ignorant, inept, and ideologically driven clueless POTUS in office. 

Were he named Barry O'Malley, a white pol from Boston, Mass, he would never have been elected with his record, or lack thereof. 

Obama is the text book example that affirmative action has no place for positions in high places.  The mail room, door man, bathroom attendant, and greeters' position maybe, but definately not POTUS. 

Thankfully he is gone in another year or so.  He took a bad situation and made it monumentally worse with his far left whacked out policies.       
 


Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: quadzilla456 on June 11, 2011, 11:08:37 AM
Chimps will aways be chimps. The biggest mistake Europeans ever made was buying blacks from black slave traders and bringing them over with them to wherever they colonized. For these blacks it was the equivalent of winning the lottery. It's not like things were that great had they stayed in Africa and been slaves to a black master.

Now these descendants of slaves can drive cars, buy big screen tv's, have sex with mudsharks. Yeah, it's turned out REAL bad for them.

And what about the west? The west is falling because of the third world people that are now a part of it. I guarantee you if Europe and America was 99% white we would not be having these kind of problems. Heck we would have already been on Mars by now.

Watch Vince's response in the "white man's" language. Vince, don't you have a language of your own that you could use?
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Largerthanlife on June 11, 2011, 11:16:24 AM
Wow. Another post about Blacks from the resident racist. What a surprise.  ::)

x2
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 11:17:53 AM
x2

GIMMICK   
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on June 11, 2011, 11:19:27 AM
Wow. Another post about Blacks from the resident racist. What a surprise.  ::)

the?
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Largerthanlife on June 11, 2011, 11:33:05 AM
so your admitting your a racist?

Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 11:33:46 AM
so your admitting your a racist?



Did you read the story? 
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: George Whorewell on June 11, 2011, 11:41:56 AM
Not familiar with Washington State criminal law, but assuming this goes higher, it will be reversed. I can produce tons of evidence as to the truth of the Prosecutors statements merely by doing a google search.

The "stop snitching" campaign is a nationwide plague of the black community.

Truth aside, to successfully argue that the prosecutor prejudiced the jury when the jury saw the defendant commit the murders on video tape is absurd.

The guy who committed the murders is on tape. The only evidence that could possibly be as damning is DNA. No shot in hell he gets released over what is percieved as "racism"--  especially when the defense attorney could have objected, the judge could have given a jury instruction or objected and the statements themselves spoke to the reluctance of witnesses who had formely been cooperative to testify. That said, the justices who voted to overturn this decision should have their law licenses revoked.

Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Benny B on June 11, 2011, 12:01:59 PM
Wow. Another post about Blacks from the resident racist. What a surprise.  ::)
lol
With 57,000+ posts and growing. 95% fueled by his race-based mental illness and Obama derangement syndrome. PEA BRAIN spends all day every day here posting in his miserable little hovel in the Yonkers, NY ghetto. Even a beautiful weekend in NYC can't get him to leave mom's basement and do something with his life.

What a sad, fat little masturbating turd.
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2011, 12:04:46 PM
lol
With 57,000+ posts and growing. 95% fueled by his race-based mental illness and Obama derangement syndrome. PEA BRAIN spends all day every day here posting in his miserable little hovel in the Yonkers, NY ghetto. Even a beautiful weekend in NYC can't get him to leave mom's basement and do something with his life.

What a sad, fat little masturbating turd.



Its raining here in NYC today and 70 degress moron. 


BTW - how that hope and change working out for you moron? 


 
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Reeves on June 11, 2011, 12:40:15 PM
lol
With 57,000+ posts and growing. 95% fueled by his race-based mental illness and Obama derangement syndrome. PEA BRAIN spends all day every day here posting in his miserable little hovel in the Yonkers, NY ghetto. Even a beautiful weekend in NYC can't get him to leave mom's basement and do something with his life.

What a sad, fat little masturbating turd.

Well, well...If it isn't our own CN.   Allow me to coloquialize it for you, ace.

'Sup mah convenient niggah?

Now that I've dispensed with that, riddle me this buttman.  Justice or Just Us?  Of course a black racist such as yourself must take the latter. 

I could not help but notice, as did all other sentient beings, that you and Vincente' failed to address my words.  Too many words, too many syllables in those words,  too much intelligence and not enough Urbane Dictionary?  I have never seen such a small mind in such a large head.  In the event you missed it, I received yet another claim from someone on here that you're not fit to fuck pigs and once again, I stuck up for you and said you were.

And do.  As before, how goes the swine fucking you Michael X wannabe?  Run out of pigs or are the still outrunning you?  Fuck off and live, assclown.  What are you, the first in your family to lose the prehensile (that means you can move it and pick shit up with it) tail?  And what?  You imagine this gives you license to post your black racist thoughts?  Fuck your noise, asspuppet.

Oh, perhaps you don't know what an asspuppet is?  I rank you right down there with Bay and tbombz.  Your loving mASSeur shoves his hand up your fat ass and you and he play ventriloquist.  FTN, buckwheat.

Later, queeeeeer. I've got work to do.  You know, work.  Something people get paid for?
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 11, 2011, 01:09:32 PM
Chimps will aways be chimps. The biggest mistake Europeans ever made was buying blacks from black slave traders and bringing them over with them to wherever they colonized. For these blacks it was the equivalent of winning the lottery. It's not like things were that great had they stayed in Africa and been slaves to a black master.

Now these descendants of slaves can drive cars, buy big screen tv's, have sex with mudsharks. Yeah, it's turned out REAL bad for them.

And what about the west? The west is falling because of the third world people that are now a part of it. I guarantee you if Europe and America was 99% white we would not be having these kind of problems. Heck we would have already been on Mars by now.

Watch Vince's response in the "white man's" language. Vince, don't you have a language of your own that you could use?


Europe was 100% white for centuries and there were no problems if you don't count the Crusades, the Inquistion, the Blubonic Plaque, the witchcraft trials and burnings, William Wallace's quartering for simply wanting his Scottish people to be independent.....oh lets not forget all the slavery in Europe or I suppose you never heard of the term "serf".  They didn't call it "The Dark Ages" for nothing.

Please go read your history books because you don't even know anything about your own heritage.
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: roccoginge on June 11, 2011, 01:36:33 PM
He was caught on film doing it.  
Don't they all look alike?
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: andreisdaman on June 11, 2011, 03:22:16 PM

Stupid thing for Konat to do and an 8-1 Supreme Court Ruling speaks volumes since that includes Republican appointed justices.  You can't prejudice the jury in any form or fashion in order to get a conviction and you certainly cannot attack defense witnesses accusing them of racial improperity...period.

Now he'll be set free and won't be tried again because of double jeopardy.  Konat didn't need to say that but he thought he could sneak it in to seal the deal.  Big mistake

Good post Vince
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: andreisdaman on June 11, 2011, 03:24:53 PM

Yeah, cause in USA 2011 and with Mr. Hope & Change in office, unless you are black, you have no right to EVER say a word, criticize, discuss, or comment on anything that possibly brings bad light on blacks. 

And how did the DA's statements prejudice anything?   The guy was caught on tape murdering someone and they never even disputed that.   

as usual you are going way overboard....it is not a black issue..its an issue of prosecutorial misconduct....this guy is a danger to have as a prosecutor.....because of him a dangerous man was set free......
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Devon97 on June 11, 2011, 04:15:11 PM
Wow. Another post about Blacks from the resident racist. What a surprise.  ::)

haha the resident GB liberal still suffering from "white guilt" throws in his 2cents! ;)

He could murder your wife and rob you and you'd prob think it somehow was your fault!  ;D

Only a liberal...
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: dr.chimps on June 11, 2011, 04:32:37 PM
haha the resident GB liberal still suffering from "white guilt" throws in his 2cents! ;)

He could murder your wife and rob you and you'd prob think it somehow was your fault!  ;D

Only a liberal...
2/10
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Benny B on June 11, 2011, 06:49:03 PM


Its raining here in NYC today and 70 degress moron. 


BTW - how that hope and change working out for you moron? 

 
lol  ;D

What were you doing last weekend, PEA BRAIN? Or the weekend before that? Ahh...that's right, posting 100 plus times per day on getbig. Just as you do seven days per week.  ::)
PATHETIC


Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Matt C on June 11, 2011, 09:36:58 PM
haha the resident GB liberal still suffering from "white guilt" throws in his 2cents! ;)

He could murder your wife and rob you and you'd prob think it somehow was your fault!  ;D

Only a liberal...

That sort of guilt is honestly a disease to me.  Why on earth would people blame the victim?  ???  "She dressed too provocatively so she deserved to be raped", etc.  Makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments (Which were true)
Post by: Largerthanlife on June 11, 2011, 09:45:40 PM
That sort of guilt is honestly a disease to me.  Why on earth would people blame the victim?  ???  "She dressed too provocatively so she deserved to be raped", etc.  Makes no sense at all.

actually it does make sense, it's called victim participation.  Sub consciously these girls go out to get attention and to get men's hormones to a fever pitch almost to taunt them, if something happens they moan as if they didn't do anything to incite the attack. 

Think of it as this, I walk into a bar, looking like a guido clown, spray tan the whole nine yards.  I walk up to guys who obviously have girlfriends and hit on the girlfriends in front of the men, almost inciting an attack from the man, although if he attacks me it would be assault, I am participating in the crime that would be about to take place.

Title: Re: Seattle murder conviction tossed out over 'racist' comments
Post by: Matt C on June 12, 2011, 09:50:44 PM
actually it does make sense, it's called victim participation.  Sub consciously these girls go out to get attention and to get men's hormones to a fever pitch almost to taunt them, if something happens they moan as if they didn't do anything to incite the attack.  

Think of it as this, I walk into a bar, looking like a guido clown, spray tan the whole nine yards.  I walk up to guys who obviously have girlfriends and hit on the girlfriends in front of the men, almost inciting an attack from the man, although if he attacks me it would be assault, I am participating in the crime that would be about to take place.



That is true, that does happen at times and I've seen it myself.