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So I am 3 weeks on Keto diet, I have maybe maybe 30g carbs a day but chances are I am well below that.
I have been told that you feel slightly sick or what ever when your body kicks into the Ketosis.
However I never had that feeling, had my first cheat meal yesterday with a good size full of Sushi.
Why don't I feel craving etc?
Here is what I usualy
Breakfast:
Omelette - 6 Eggs 3 full 3 eggwhites only - Cheese, spices
Second meal:
Salad - Chicken with a mixed - Olive Oil and Balsamico sauce
Third meal:
Protein shake
Fourth meal:
Salad - Chicken with a mixed - Olive Oil and Balsamico sauce
Last meal evening:
Steak, mince meat etc.
Thoughts?
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Only "side effect" I had was that I had terrible headaches for few days when I completely dropped carbs. After that... just good feeling, didn't like the lack of energy though so now I'm eating approximately 100 g carbs a day...
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Advice: try not to fart in the proximity of anything alive..
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Only "side effect" I had was that I had terrible headaches for few days when I completely dropped carbs. After that... just good feeling, didn't like the lack of energy though so now I'm eating approximately 100 g carbs a day...
I'm just thinking maybe I get some hidden carbs somewhere? no idea where tho
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Why keto brah? Whats the point?
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here is what i think about ''keto diet''
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I'm just thinking maybe I get some hidden carbs somewhere? no idea where tho
I always have some potato crisps hidden while dieting..
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Only "side effect" I had was that I had terrible headaches for few days when I completely dropped carbs. After that... just good feeling, didn't like the lack of energy though so now I'm eating approximately 100 g carbs a day...
me too, i get those like crazy. i only keto for 2 weeks at a time, lol, whenever i get to 215, i keto it up for like 2 weeks til it's down to 205-210 then back to eating shitty again.
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So I am 3 weeks on Keto diet, I have maybe maybe 30g carbs a day but chances are I am well below that.
I have been told that you feel slightly sick or what ever when your body kicks into the Ketosis.
However I never had that feeling, had my first cheat meal yesterday with a good size full of Sushi.
Why don't I feel craving etc?
Here is what I usualy
Breakfast:
Omelette - 6 Eggs 3 full 3 eggwhites only - Cheese, spices
Second meal:
Salad - Chicken with a mixed - Olive Oil and Balsamico sauce
Third meal:
Protein shake
Fourth meal:
Salad - Chicken with a mixed - Olive Oil and Balsamico sauce
Last meal evening:
Steak, mince meat etc.
Thoughts?
ketones are neurotoxic......but u cant lose what you dont have ;)
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I always have some potato crisps hidden while dieting..
And let's not forget the magic peanut butter
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keto means loe gycimic index TRACE carbs at best .. get it right
real keto looks like this: meat, bitter leafy greens, animal and omega 3 fats
after a few days you will be ok..more alert and full of energy
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No cravings because fat intake satiates the appetite and satiates hunger pangs/cravings.
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youre not in ketosis if you are eating 100g of carbs a day. go back to under 40 a day, and only carbs from vegetables. the headaches are probably just your body adjusting. the longer you are on it, the more normal it becomes.
Read again what I said.
I said I was on keto for some time. No carbs. That's when I had headaches.
I upped my carbs to 100 g a day because I didn't like the lack of energy on keto... I'm not on keto anymore.
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I'm on keto right now its great for shaping up. I have an all carb meal once every 10 days which is 4 donuts and ice cream. This seemed to stop my legs and arms going skinny but still loose fat. Haven't shit in days though
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NOT ENOUGH FAT
So I am 3 weeks on Keto diet, I have maybe maybe 30g carbs a day but chances are I am well below that.
I have been told that you feel slightly sick or what ever when your body kicks into the Ketosis.
However I never had that feeling, had my first cheat meal yesterday with a good size full of Sushi.
Why don't I feel craving etc?
Here is what I usualy
Breakfast:
Omelette - 6 Eggs 3 full 3 eggwhites only - Cheese, spices
Second meal:
Salad - Chicken with a mixed - Olive Oil and Balsamico sauce
Third meal:
Protein shake
Fourth meal:
Salad - Chicken with a mixed - Olive Oil and Balsamico sauce
Last meal evening:
Steak, mince meat etc.
Thoughts?
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NOT ENOUGH FAT
This. That's almost a protein only diet (what's bad for both; building muscle and fat loss), you can triple your fat intake.
Keto = 35-40 % Protein, 60-65 % Fats.
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youre not in ketosis if you are eating 100g of carbs a day. go back to under 40 a day, and only carbs from vegetables. the headaches are probably just your body adjusting. the longer you are on it, the more normal it becomes.
This is correct. I believe the total amount of carb intake should be reduced to 30-40 grams per day, preferably prior to a workout.
The hardest part of the damn diet is finding the right kind of healthy foods to eat while on it in order to not break the state of ketosis.
Burgers, hotdogs, steak, chicken and cheddar cheese are all great sources of fat with 0 carbs, but their saturated fat levels (except for chicken) can be extremely detrimental to your health.
SimplyHuge, tell us more about your dietary choices and meal frequency.
"1"
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You need to add "Lipolyze" in there to see results. ::)
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What about diet sodas on a keto diet?
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cant believe some retards on here. why do you think our brains use carbs as energy, and that our muscle use glycogen (carbs) as energy too? wake up. btw, i tried it, just to see what it did, and it sucks. no energy, FLAT like pancake, only thing its good for is to get a ripped face fast!
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Make sure to stack a yohimbin containing fatburner with your keto diet at all times.
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Make sure to stack a yohimbin containing fatburner with your keto diet at all times.
Yes, but "Dave" doesnt like stimulants. ::)
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Read again what I said.
I said I was on keto for some time. No carbs. That's when I had headaches.
I upped my carbs to 100 g a day because I didn't like the lack of energy on keto... I'm not on keto anymore.
lol 'simply stooge' pwnd.
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What about diet sodas on a keto diet?
They are ok. "Oven Stalkerpani" doesnt recommend them though. He believes they are "unhealthy"... yet, massive amounts of medicines circulate into his bloodstream. well..
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cant believe some retards on here. why do you think our brains use carbs as energy, and that our muscle use glycogen (carbs) as energy too? wake up. btw, i tried it, just to see what it did, and it sucks. no energy, FLAT like pancake, only thing its good for is to get a ripped face fast!
Definitely dials the face in, no doubt.
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Recap:
Keto means eat fats and protein. Stops cravings. You get headaches. Then you're ok. But you're flat and lack energy. And you don't get to eat anything yummy. And you're small.
Just get gh and eat anything you want.
/thread.
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They are ok. "Oven Stalkerpani" doesnt recommend them though. He believes they are "unhealthy"... yet, massive amounts of medicines circulate into his bloodstream. well..
Great, that makes the diet easier ;D (Hi fatpanda)
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Recap:
Keto means eat fats and protein. Stops cravings. You get headaches. Then you're ok. But you're flat and lack energy. And you don't get to eat anything yummy. And you're small.
Just get gh and eat anything you want.
/thread.
Great post.
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Recap:
Keto means eat fats and protein. Stops cravings. You get headaches. Then you're ok. But you're flat and lack energy. And you don't get to eat anything yummy. And you're small.
Just get gh and eat anything you want.
/thread.
this
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cant believe some retards on here. why do you think our brains use carbs as energy, and that our muscle use glycogen (carbs) as energy too? wake up. btw, i tried it, just to see what it did, and it sucks. no energy, FLAT like pancake, only thing its good for is to get a ripped face fast!
You're right, the brain and our muscles naturally fuel on glycogen but they will switch to relying on Ketones when glycogen isn't present. Most all guys who have a serious lack of energy on a keto diet do so because they're not taking in enough good fat. While most any diet below 50g of carbs per day is technically a keto diet if it is not high enough in fat to meet your daily needs you'll feel like absolute crap. However, if enough fat is present, although your energy won't be spiked it will be even and constant.
As far as the flat look, yes initially this will be true but if you stay on a good keto diet long enough and get lean enough you'll notice your muscles will start looking fuller and on the days you do eat carbs you'll notice the full look you obtain last much longer from one simple meal of carbs than it normally does.
I'm on keto right now its great for shaping up. I have an all carb meal once every 10 days which is 4 donuts and ice cream. This seemed to stop my legs and arms going skinny but still loose fat. Haven't shit in days though
A very common problem for some guys on a keto diet, that's why most need a good fiber supplement. Besides, a good fiber supplement is a good thing whether you're on a keto diet or not as it helps keep you flushed out and just simply feeling better.
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all guys who have a serious lack of energy on a keto diet do so because they're not taking in enough good fat.
Can you give some examples of "good" fats?
Thanks,
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I can't fucking sleep on keto! Anyone else notice this? I can barely put a coherent sentence together, and talk walk and think like a zombie, hot as heck all the time AND THEN AT NIGHT I CAN'T SLEEP MORE THAN 3-4 HOURS STRAIGHT. Bad nightmares as well...
Anyone??
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Also I am fucking dehydrated all day, no matter how much water I drink. My eyes are like burning, like I have been in the sun...
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Also I am fucking dehydrated all day, no matter how much water I drink. My eyes are like burning, like I have been in the sun...
Cut the Jack Daniel's down to 4 liters a day, Mike.
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Cut the Jack Daniel's down to 4 liters a day, Mike.
haha only when it becomes less delicious :D
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Can you give some examples of "good" fats?
Thanks,
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Whole Eggs, almonds, cashews, walnuts, peanut butter, steak, preferably fillet, salmon, fish oils, olive oil, etc.
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Ive heard its hard to take a shit on keto.
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Ive heard its hard to take a shit on keto.
I've never really done the hardcore Atkins 80% fat 20% protein kind of keto, when i do low carb i never went without lots of veggies, that keeps the shit going.
I tried it once, only cheese, ham, meat, tuna, was fun for 3 days, then i couldn't stand the greasy shit anymore...
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Ive heard its hard to take a shit on keto.
My shit is way better than before...
I have problems when I eat a lot of shit stuff which contains of course carbs,
a) Massive heartburn which fucks up any day
b) Bad digestion, soft shit in the morning - just not good
As soon as I am reducing the carbs I am a okay, no smelly poos no heartburn etc.
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As long as you can maintain most of your strength and don't get carb cravings, keto is fine.
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As long as you can maintain most of your strength and don't get carb cravings, keto is fine.
Working flawlessly for me. I actually have to force myself to eat carbs haha. A friend of my moms bought me a burrito and regular soda and I sat there and picked at it till she walked away, dumped the soda out and gave the burrito to the dogs...Fuck that!
Slept better last night than I have since starting keto a week or so ago. I have done keto before...Got 4 hours last night, without waking up! Cardio was a breeze, and I feel great right now.
Keep on keepin on, and praise the Lord.
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Working flawlessly for me. I actually have to force myself to eat carbs haha. A friend of my moms bought me a burrito and regular soda and I sat there and picked at it till she walked away, dumped the soda out and gave the burrito to the dogs...Fuck that!
Slept better last night than I have since starting keto a week or so ago. I have done keto before...Got 4 hours last night, without waking up! Cardio was a breeze, and I feel great right now.
Keep on keepin on, and praise the Lord.
Same here
i was always high carbs high protein low fat
once i realized im getting very bloofy from water i dropped carbs and bumped fat intake and it feels much better sleep better, im getting much more stronger while getting leaner, tbh dumps even better on high carb days (as re-feed) i can't shit.
but who needs all that shit when you can just up the dose ;D
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Same here
i was always high carbs high protein low fat
once i realized im getting very bloofy from water i dropped carbs and bumped fat intake and it feels much better sleep better, im getting much more stronger while getting leaner, tbh dumps even better on high carb days (as re-feed) i can't shit.
but who needs all that shit when you can just up the dose ;D
I can't up dosages of things I am not taking...
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as some "gurus" here at Getbig claim that protein is not really needed for muscle building, it's just a scam, I begin to think that the ultimate diet is 100% fat. Am I right?
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as some "gurus" here at Getbig claim that protein is not really needed for muscle building, it's just a scam, I begin to think that the ultimate diet is 100% fat. Am I right?
Try the "fatpanda diet".
50% fat, 50% carbs
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the fastest diet I ever leaned out in my life was this a while back. Looked like shit though lol but I did keep my muscle regardless of being flat as hell.
6 omega-3 eggs, 1 cup wild blueberries and a couple strawberries
12 oz. flounder, green vegetables
12 oz. chicken, green vegetables
12 oz. scallops or lean steak, green vegetables
1 gallon water a day
cheat meal 1 or 2 times a week
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Keto was meant for obese non-athletes. TKD is what we bodybuilders are after. Works perfectly. Use fruit for carbs around training time, pre-wo and pwo only.
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The Keto Diet for bodybuilders seems very promising. I think Im going to try it. I have a question. You guys seem to by implying in this thread that it is only unsaturated fat that is allowed and not saturated fat. But I have seen some bodybuilding keto sample diets that include only scrambled eggs and bacon. Is some saturated fat allowed as long as I dont go crazy with it?
I have seen that there are two kinds of keto. The one where you only take in carbs during the weekends and dont take any after training during the week, and the ones where you only take in carbs before and after training, but you dont have any full carb loading days. Which ones do you think is better? Is it possible to try a hybrid of the two?
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So I am 3 weeks on Keto diet, I have maybe maybe 30g carbs a day but chances are I am well below that.
I have been told that you feel slightly sick or what ever when your body kicks into the Ketosis.
However I never had that feeling, had my first cheat meal yesterday with a good size full of Sushi.
Why don't I feel craving etc?
Here is what I usualy
Breakfast:
Omelette - 6 Eggs 3 full 3 eggwhites only - Cheese, spices
Second meal:
Salad - Chicken with a mixed - Olive Oil and Balsamico sauce
Third meal:
Protein shake
Fourth meal:
Salad - Chicken with a mixed - Olive Oil and Balsamico sauce
Last meal evening:
Steak, mince meat etc.
Thoughts?
I tried keto diet years ago and it is terrible. I felt like shit with no energy and always dizzy from all my blood being on my stomach instead of my brain to metabolize all that fat. All my health markers got worse except for plasma glucose level which became a little better. My HDL declined only slightly, but my LDL shot through the roof. My urine also became acid and the exam showed unusually high levels of ammonia in my urine. After two weeks, my liver inflammed and I had jaundice and had to stop the diet due to medical problems.
I don't believe that Humans were made to subsist on protein and fats. We are not lions or other obligate carnivores. Eating carbs, even the healthiest ones, do cause plasma glucose swings and increases insulin resistence which doesen't happen in the keto diet. True. But overall I feel that a diet where your energy comes mostly from complex carbs with lean proteins and monoinsturated fats is better for you in the long run than the keto diet. For a diabetic, though, the keto diet might be ideal as long as the diabetic makes sure he prioritizes lean meats over fatty cuts and bacon and makes sure he eats his greens to alkalinize his body from all the acid he is getting from all that protein.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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you may be in the minority. There have been way too many people that keto has worked effectively. I agree for the long run a more balanced diet is best overall but nothing gets you lean like a month or 2 of straight keto.
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you may be in the minority. There have been way too many people that keto has worked effectively. I agree for the long run a more balanced diet is best overall but nothing gets you lean like a month or 2 of straight keto.
Some people are extremely sensitive to blood glucose swings. They get light-headed a few hours after eating even very low glycemic carbs and even the slightest elevation in blood glucose completely hampers fat loss for them and they also experience mood swings, etc. For these people, I believe that an improved version of the keto diet might be ideal. The same is probably true for the diabetics.
Personally, I don't have this problem. My pancreas work very well and my insulin receptors are very sensitive. If I eat large amounts of ice cream or other foods containing a lot of high glycemic carbs, I do get a sugar crash a few hours latter and do feel light-headed and drowsy, but the amount has to be enormous and I never get truly hypoglycemic. For me, it is much better to get most of my energy from low-glycemic carbs than fat or protein. My health is better overral than when I get my energy from fat. I feel no sugar high/low and most of my health markers are better on a medium carbs, medium protein, low fat diet. My body is more alkaline, I have much lower levels of uric acid and ammonia on my urine, lower levels of liver enzymes and a better HDL/LDL profile. My blood glucose level is better on the keto diet, but not a lot better. To make a long story short, on the keto diet one of my health markers improves slightly and all others get much worse. The cost/benefit clearly favors the higher carb, low fat diet to me.
For diabetics and other people with insulin sensitivity, an improved version of the keto diet is best. If you get hypoglycemic after eating even very low GI carbs, like cream of rye, then carbs are not for you. You will be better on a zero carb diet. However, don't do the old Atkins version of the keto diet. Instead of getting your energy from saturated fats, get it from nuts, olive oil or healthy saturated fats like those contained on coconut meat. Eat very lean meats for protein. The most important thing for those who do the keto diet is to eat vegetables since this diet puts your body in an acidic state. Carbs also put your body in an acidic state, but not as much as fats and proteins. So if you get your nergy mostly from fatand protein, you will need to eat lots of vegetalbes to alkalinize your body.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Some people are extremely sensitive to blood glucose swings. They get light-headed a few hours after eating even very low glycemic carbs and even the slightest elevation in blood glucose completely hampers fat loss for them and they also experience mood swings, etc. For these people, I believe that an improved version of the keto diet might be ideal. The same is probably true for the diabetics.
Personally, I don't have this problem. My pancreas work very well and my insulin receptors are very sensitive. If I eat large amounts of ice cream or other foods containing a lot of high glycemic carbs, I do get a sugar crash a few hours latter and do feel light-headed and drowsy, but the amount has to be enormous and I never get truly hypoglycemic. For me, it is much better to get most of my energy from low-glycemic carbs than fat or protein. My health is better overral than when I get my energy from fat. I feel no sugar high/low and most of my health markers are better on a medium carbs, medium protein, low fat diet. My body is more alkaline, I have much lower levels of uric acid and ammonia on my urine, lower levels of liver enzymes and a better HDL/LDL profile. My blood glucose level is better on the keto diet, but not a lot better. To make a long story short, on the keto diet one of my health markers improves slightly and all others get much worse. The cost/benefit clearly favors the higher carb, low fat diet to me.
For diabetics and other people with insulin sensitivity, an improved version of the keto diet is best. If you get hypoglycemic after eating even very low GI carbs, like cream of rye, then carbs are not for you. You will be better on a zero carb diet. However, don't do the old Atkins version of the keto diet. Instead of getting your energy from saturated fats, get it from nuts, olive oil or healthy saturated fats like those contained on coconut meat. Eat very lean meats for protein. The most important thing for those who do the keto diet is to eat vegetables since this diet puts your body in an acidic state. Carbs also put your body in an acidic state, but not as much as fats and proteins. So if you get your nergy mostly from fatand protein, you will need to eat lots of vegetalbes to alkalinize your body.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
impossible. Carbs are not healthy and fruit is the exception. From a pure health perspective, a keto diet rich in protein healthy fats, fruits and vegetables is optimal.
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impossible. Carbs are not healthy and fruit is the exception. From a pure health perspective, a keto diet rich in protein healthy fats, fruits and vegetables is optimal.
I stopped reading here
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I stopped reading here
let me reword that buddy boy. Carbs are not healthy. PERIOD. Brown rice, oatmal, bread, etc has no benefit on the health of the human organism. Fruits are healthy foods though despite being rich in carbs and fructose of course. The healthiest diet known to man is eggs,fruit,vegetables,fish,wild meat, and water. Dairy is good or bad depending on who you listen to although not natural. I eat it for the calcium
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let me reword that buddy boy. Carbs are not healthy. PERIOD. Brown rice, oatmal, bread, etc has no benefit on the health of the human organism.
And lard and bacon have? The relation between saturated fatty acid consumption and high plasma LDL cholesterol is one of the most consistent in the scientific literature. The exceptions are lauric and stearic acids from coconut meat. Eggs too since they contain lecithin which emulsifies fat and also polynsaturated fats that boost HDL, so they are not very detrimental to blood lipid profile despite their high saturated fats content. Bacon, butter, lard, on the other hand, are pure garbage for health. Their only use is as an efficient source of energy - so is diesel and I wouldn't recommend eating it.
Impossible
Then why are all my health markers better on the medium carb, low fat diet than on the keto diet? Better LDL/HDL profile, less acidosis, more alkaline urine, lower liver enzymes, etc?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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And lard and bacon have? The relation between saturated fatty acid consumption and high plasma LDL cholesterol is one of the most consistent in the scientific literature. The exceptions are lauric and stearic acids from coconut meat. Eggs too since they contain lecithin which emulsifies fat and also polynsaturated fats that boost HDL, so they are not very detrimental to blood lipid profile despite their high saturated fats content. Bacon, butter, lard, on the other hand, are pure garbage for health. Their only use is as an efficient source of energy - so is diesel and I wouldn't recommend eating it.
Then why are all my health markers better on the medium carb, low fat diet than on the keto diet? Better LDL/HDL profile, less acidosis, more alkaline urine, lower liver enzymes, etc?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
your right those foods are not healthy either. Notice I said lean protein source (grass fed beef, scallops, flounder,shrimp, turkey,etc) Salmon and fatty fish are great too.