breaking news. ::)
breaking news. ::)
http://www.rxmuscle.com/articles/latest-news/3508-chris-cormier-signs-exclusive-media-contract-with-rxmusclecom.html
Between Dave Palumbo's cash flow from RXMuscle as well as his stake in Species Nutrition, I would imagine he is doing very well. I have to say, I really admire all the work Dave is putting in to getting so much free content online. I'm amazed at how quickly he gets things online and he must be constantly busy to do everything as efficiently as he does. He's another guy who I see getting more flak on here than credit when I think that should be the opposite. I like the interviews and other videos he does for RX and I wish him and the site the best.
Does anyone know what became of that Species Nutrition lawsuit? Is it still pending or has it been resolved?
While he may be best known for his gifted genetic structure and incredible strength in the gym; it's Cormier's unique intellectual insights...that make him a truly unique addition to the staff at Rx Muscle.
his stake in Species Nutrition
Isn't the topic of this board oiled men in thongs? ???(http://www.protias.com/Pictures/Thread/Thread-Gay-Disturbing.jpg)
Interesting I doubt Palumbo is paying him in money, maybe some free supplements
Do you think Species is doing well as a business?
I would guess yes because the cost to run a booth at the Arnold has to be at least $50,000 and Species had one:
Species also had a booth at the Toronto Pro [pictures below] and for them to have a booth at one of the smaller shows would indicate to me that they are doing pretty well. I think that it would require brains to run a successful supplement company and I've always thought of Dave as being a pretty smart guy. He has really mastered the art of interviewing and I hope to eventually get similar content on my site, maybe when my kids are a little older and I have more time to focus on the site.
The only thing which would make me question the success of Species right now would be the status of the lawsuit which was filed earlier. I think that could have a detrimental impact on the company if the suit is successful, but otherwise I would guess that the company is doing quite well. I don't know for a fact though, but it seems that way to me.
The fuck is something like that anywhere near anything to do with BB - jesus there are some disgusting devients involved in this cult :-XThese people feed off such a gullible consumer. That man in the black shirt is a true example of the value of those supplements.
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With Dave deals are always 1 sided. He makes all the money. Cormier is old news and Dave threw him a bone. Intellectual? Chris is a video game player, whore monger-er and pot head, period.fixed
What, is Cormier going to be on the radio show? You can't even understand him. Between Chris Aceto's boring ass, and Aaron's annoying personality, their #'s should go up. Honestly, Dave is the only one who I can listen to, and I still can't get through 5 minutes.
The fuck is something like that anywhere near anything to do with BB - jesus there are some disgusting devients involved in this cult :-X
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Really? Really? You are still that clueless as to what is going on?
The bastard inbred child of Failcon and his sister would grasp things quicker than you....
misdirection, subterfuge, fcuk SMOKE AND MIRRORS YOU SPASTIC!
These people feed off such a gullible consumer. That man in the black shirt is a true example of the value of those supplements.
It amazes me that people still can not see what a scumbag Palumbo is.
I can't believe how many idiots there are out there.
An additional 50$ a month always comes in handy.
Props to Chris.
LOL!!!
Actually, considering how many people RX sends to any given expo, I think they are doing pretty well. Dave really took the site to a high level very quickly, no doubt thanks to his considerable experience/networks in the industry.
I would guess yes because the cost to run a booth at the Arnold has to be at least $50,000 and Species had one:
Species also had a booth at the Toronto Pro [pictures below] and for them to have a booth at one of the smaller shows would indicate to me that they are doing pretty well. I think that it would require brains to run a successful supplement company and I've always thought of Dave as being a pretty smart guy. He has really mastered the art of interviewing and I hope to eventually get similar content on my site, maybe when my kids are a little older and I have more time to focus on the site.
The only thing which would make me question the success of Species right now would be the status of the lawsuit which was filed earlier. I think that could have a detrimental impact on the company if the suit is successful, but otherwise I would guess that the company is doing quite well. I don't know for a fact though, but it seems that way to me.
Just because a supplement company has a booth does not mean they are doing well. They have to have a booth, Species has several big problems - the biggest being distribution, not many distributors are carrying the line. They are not even on Bodybuilding.com or any of the major supplement chain stores. Without distribution you are not going to go far. Number two they are high priced for very average formulas.
If you talk to supplement stores and distributors the products are not selling well. They sell pretty good in NY and the east coast where Palumbo is more known but overall the products sit on the shelf.
Their marketing is not very good, having those freaky women at their booth only appeals to female bodybuilders and schmoes. The average supplement buyer will be turned off.
Just because a supplement company has a booth does not mean they are doing well. They have to have a booth, Species has several big problems - the biggest being distribution, not many distributors are carrying the line. They are not even on Bodybuilding.com or any of the major supplement chain stores. Without distribution you are not going to go far. Number two they are high priced for very average formulas.
If you talk to supplement stores and distributors the products are not selling well. They sell pretty good in NY and the east coast where Palumbo is more known but overall the products sit on the shelf.
Their marketing is not very good, having those freaky women at their booth only appeals to female bodybuilders and schmoes. The average supplement buyer will be turned off.
Will they be using an electronic translator?
(http://www.speaknspell.co.uk/speak_n_spell.gif)
How the fuck would you know whether Palumbo is doing good or bad?? Honestly, I think the company is still bringing in a profit and that's based on them still maintaining contracts with the major distributors which is all you really need to stay in business and a place to store all your stuff. Palumbo rents out some run down warehouse in New York to store the stuff as well as do all of the RX Muscle radio and video shows and even that doesn't cost any real money to run other than keeping the power on and pay the building rent. The RX Muscle Website is a 25 dollar template from Rocket Themes and the forum is Vbulletin which cost pennies to license. Plaster some ads up there and that's it. The only major cost I can see is travel expenses to shows but if you schedule way in advance for everything, its not that bad.
Even with that said, you never know what people are spending on their business and what their overhead is but I certainly wouldn't base the status of a business on some retailers that say that his product is sitting on the shelf because for all you know, they could be selling it a full retail or they simply don't advertise.
How the fuck would you know whether Palumbo is doing good or bad?? Honestly, I think the company is still bringing in a profit and that's based on them still maintaining contracts with the major distributors which is all you really need to stay in business and a place to store all your stuff. Palumbo rents out some run down warehouse in New York to store the stuff as well as do all of the RX Muscle radio and video shows and even that doesn't cost any real money to run other than keeping the power on and pay the building rent. The RX Muscle Website is a 25 dollar template from Rocket Themes and the forum is Vbulletin which cost pennies to license. Plaster some ads up there and that's it. The only major cost I can see is travel expenses to shows but if you schedule way in advance for everything, its not that bad.
Even with that said, you never know what people are spending on their business and what their overhead is but I certainly wouldn't base the status of a business on some retailers that say that his product is sitting on the shelf because for all you know, they could be selling it a full retail or they simply don't advertise.
I do think he puts a lot of good free content up on his site and I have to hand it to him for that. I think he is one of the best interviewers which I believe is due to his own personal experience competing as well as making friends with so many of the competitors through the years and being experienced at talking to them and asking the right questions.
I would guess yes because the cost to run a booth at the Arnold has to be at least $50,000 and Species had one:
Uh,..Yeah...Hi Matt, this is "1" from New York City. Listen, I was wondering, where exactly did you get that 50K figure to run a little booth at the Arnold? Is that a legit figure?
Thanks...
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he makes false claims and thinks people will believe him .. it's what he does
EXHIBIT SPACE RATES: Booth price is $2000 per 10'x10' exhibit space. All booths and dimensions shown on plan. All funds are payable in U.S. dollars.
Damn Matt, w8m8 just owned you into oblivion by proving that your 50K figure was disgustingly inflated.
Matt, you weren't intentionally trying to mislead the faithful readers of this site now were you?
Point-of-clarification: I've done *tiny* booths at past Arnolds that cost $10K+ to operate. Even though the space rentals were only $1500-2000 back then, you had to pay a la carte for everything else you might need from the convention center (like electricity or extra chairs and trash cans) and then you had to cover expenses for your primary staff. Even back when airfare was 'cheap' by today's standards, by the time hotels, meals, rental cars, booth giveaways and miscellaneous were met, you were at an easy $10K.
I don't agree that it's fair to be presumptive about their company's earnings or expenditures, but their cash outlay for a Species booth at the Arnold was significantly more than $2000.
All fine and dandy Tre, but $50,000 is a far cry from your easily reached $10K figure. Lets also not over estimate their true capabilities or assume that a booth means more than it does.
All fine and dandy Tre, but $50,000 is a far cry from your easily reached $10K figure. Lets also not over estimate their true capabilities or assume that a booth means more than it does.
"1"
Palumbo is retarded, he could have saved thousands (and jugs of protein) by just getting some incoherent hoodlum hanging out in front of a 7-11, cormier only speaks ebonics anyway they'll need a whole team of translators just to figure out what the fuck he's saying.
Maybe Palumbo is paying Cormier via fake GH, hence the exclusivity of the contract that makes it undisclosed to the public eye...
If that's the case, Palumbo is saving thousands and probably just wasting some toilet water that he uses to fill the jars of fake GH.
Possible no?
"1"
The fuck is something like that anywhere near anything to do with BB - jesus there are some disgusting devients involved in this cult :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386550.0;attach=418616;image)
I would never call Dave a 'great interviewer' although, by bodybuilding industry standards, I guess he's not that bad.
He does, however, put a TON of hours into delivering fresh, FREE content to fans and haters alike and like him or not, he deserves to be credited for the work he does. It may help build traffic for his site, but it's not like he's getting a guaranteed paycheck for every video interview he publishes. Gotta give the man his due, whether you're a Species fan or not.
However, not even P.T. Barnum could get away with using 'intellectual insights' to describe the contributions from Cormier. Hell, even Chris himself probably burst out laughing at that one, assuming someone told him what 'intellectual' meant.
he makes false claims and thinks people will believe him .. it's what he does
http://www.arnoldsportsfestival.com/user_files/file/2011-expo-application-6-10.pdf
What are you on about? This clearly looks like a man who gives a shit about properly dosing his supplements. Just an honest man trying to make a buck in today's Zionist-ran work-a-day world. No need to be mean to him.
Great post. Dave puts up tons of free content and does it pretty quickly and efficiently. I think even his haters should give him credit for that. Whether he's doing it for his site or not, it's still good content [IMO]. LOL @ the P.T. Barnum remark.
ALRI said he paid $20,000 for a relatively small booth and Derek Anthony said on his radio show with Romano [if you recall the episode] that GAT was paying around $50,000 for the big shows - Maybe this included staff and travel expenses and so on. I could see these things adding up. Supposedly the overhead banners alone at the Gaspari booth run in the thousands. I didn't really understand why that would be but a rep for a competing booth told me that.
Greg Kovacs is seen here by the Species booth, still huge:
As I said, I don't know anything for certain on the Species line, just observation. The line could be failing for all I know, but I was talking to someone at the expo who is pretty involved in the industry who was confident the line was doing alright and that Dave was doing alright. I heard from multiple sources that those 14 banners on RX are fetching $1,000 a month. I don't see the Species/RX project failing at the moment to be honest, but who knows? I'm not privy to the private financial data or anything and never claimed to be.
ALRI said he paid $20,000 for a relatively small booth and Derek Anthony said on his radio show with Romano [if you recall the episode] that GAT was paying around $50,000 for the big shows - Maybe this included staff and travel expenses and so on. I could see these things adding up. Supposedly the overhead banners alone at the Gaspari booth run in the thousands. I didn't really understand why that would be but a rep for a competing booth told me that.
Where is the video of that little roided out monkey at the species booth? the two bitches there were fucked up looking, but nothing compared to that little troll thing with extreme ILS and a voice deeper then barry white's
Someone will have to verify it, but I believe the overhead banners can only be hung by convention center personnel. When you factor in the cost of the artwork (photography, design & layout), then the cost to produce a large banner could easily be $2500-3000, and then you've got to pay 8 union monkeys to rig the damn thing.
If you want a bit of cock, or a piece of hot pussy of which is aching for 'free' clen or GH, then bodybuilding (with its many and varied degenerate scum) is the industry for you!!
Oh and yes, I'd nail Alise Silverstone all night long; lick her feet, fanny and ass crack just before deeply sniffing her gym socks triggering off a mass cum shoot deep into her aching, greasy pussy!!!
yeah Im just as bad I guess LOL
LOL haha
haha
LOL, I didn't take a video of that. I should have but because the expo was a little smaller, it was hard to be subtle about taking videos and I felt like a shmoe. At least the Olympia and Arnold expos are such zoos that you just get lost in a sea of people and taking videos doesn't feel like such an intrusion to the other people. I was filming Greg Kovacs and he turned around and caught me so I pretended I was filming something else but there was really nothing else around.
Great post. I keep trying to explain that to those on the anti-capitalism brigade, that the cost of unions is all passed on to the end consumer. Sure, they have nice jobs with benefits but SIZEON might cost $10 less per tub if not for unions. Not to mention that the people who would do that work would do it for less are unemployed as a result of paying union workers. So how do unions help "the worker"? So the workers who would work for less and are forced into unemployment are benefiting somehow? ::)
I was just reading through my old PMs and found this:
LOL. Is all this true? Is the industry really this seedy?
Discuss.
1) FUCK UNIONS...worthless pieces of shit
2) Post the Kovacs vid! I missed him there
Great post!! It's so one-sided to say that unions help workers. They help their own workers while forcing others who would take their jobs at lower wages into unemployment while simultaneously raising the cost of goods that those now unemployed need.
Here's how Greg was looking at Toronto:
For some perspective, Greg was bigger than all the 2011 Ontario's Strongest Man competitors. I'm not sure what his bodybuilding plans are but he hasn't competed for six years so I don't think he has an interest in resuming that. He still carries a lot of size though.
Great post. I keep trying to explain that to those on the anti-capitalism brigade, that the cost of unions is all passed on to the end consumer. Sure, they have nice jobs with benefits but SIZEON might cost $10 less per tub if not for unions. Not to mention that the people who would do that work would do it for less are unemployed as a result of paying union workers. So how do unions help "the worker"? So the workers who would work for less and are forced into unemployment are benefiting somehow? ::)
Discuss.
this is how it works because of modern day greed, the cost does not need to be passed onto consumer, the CEO and other parties on top in the past have not made 500% what normal employee make, so that is why the cost was regular, now CEO makes so much % more than regular employee it is just plain theft.
Just because a supplement company has a booth does not mean they are doing well. They have to have a booth, Species has several big problems - the biggest being distribution, not many distributors are carrying the line. They are not even on Bodybuilding.com or any of the major supplement chain stores. Without distribution you are not going to go far. Number two they are high priced for very average formulas.
Someone will have to verify it, but I believe the overhead banners can only be hung by convention center personnel. When you factor in the cost of the artwork (photography, design & layout), then the cost to produce a large banner could easily be $2500-3000, and then you've got to pay 8 union monkeys to rig the damn thing.
Fair points on the booths but the booths have improved since the start of the company:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=323415.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=368491.0
From this:
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To this:
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It's not just that they had a booth at the Olympia, but a good booth. Not at the level of Gaspari or MuscleTech, but a good booth nevertheless. In no way do I know of the private financial situation of Species or anything like that, it was just an observation that the company seemed to be coming along for them to have a presence at a small pro show located outside of the USA.
Who knows though, it's quite possible the company has numerous investors and that the business itself is losing money if not for that capital. I don't know for certain, I just thought it was cool to see them at the Toronto Pro and initially thought it looked like they were growing as a company.
So then shut the fuck up already.
14 RX forum banners at $1,000 a month works out to $168,000 a year. One person I know who has an ad on one of the RX radio shows said he paid $6,000 or more for the year.
I would estimate that Dave is making over a quarter million a year for his stake in Species alone, not to mention the RX money.
Sounds to me like Dave is making loads of cash. But who knows, as I said the site might have investors. But if you add up all the ad space money alone on RX, it's tons of money. Not sure why all the hate on the guy, other than the fake GH stuff which is obviously not cool but that doesn't mean the free content he is putting online on RX is bad. I think Dave is doing great work.
It's obvious that you are a Palumbo fan boy and that's fine but you are purely speculating on the cost of the web banners. They are not worth that much since RX doesn't get a ton of traffic.
Also Species and Rxmuscle are two separate entities. Species won't last long. As far as RX yeah they put up quantity of content but the quality of it is not that good and now they are having virus problems that are attacking people's computers.
I know CEOs make a lot of money but when you consider the fact that they make decisions that can cost literally hundreds of millions of dollars, it is a bargain to pay one $10 million. If you owned a business and could hire a manager who could earn you a million extra dollars next year, don't you think he would be worth $50,000 to you? It's the same concept with CEOs only on a bigger scale.
John claims that VPX would spend as much as $250,000 on a booth
Matt you have to realize the system with unions did work for many many years, until the CEO and top management got money hungry and started to say we can't afford to pay you a living wage. The CEO's are not making 10 millions LOL, that maybe a month or 10 million every 10 days, they are beyond ridiculous now. Just look at American history with unions and how the middle class grew and America grew great. Then greed shows up and ruins the whole show. They can defintely afford to pay the employees 25 - 35 an hour, they just don't want to give up 200$ million a year bonus, they are scum.
Please don't use the argument about the small percentage of the unions that were corrupt that is the same argument politicians paid off by big companies use, it's a red herring to get your distracted from the real topic at hand and make you think they all are, which they are not.
Here is a quote from an article this is from the 1990 so the gap has grown much bigger. In the 1950's or so it was 30 - 1 around.
The United States long has had the industrialized world's largest gap in pay between chief executives and blue-collar workers. CEO compensation swelled from 85 times what workers earned in 1990, to 209 times in 1996, and 326 times the following year. In 1999, CEO pay surged to a record 419 times the average worker's wage, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
That's a huge number. Whereas 5x $10,000 = $50,000 does seem like a reasonable expense claim, 5x THAT number does not. To get to a $250,000 payout they'd have to have a team of 15-20 people, all flying 1st class, all getting their own $400/night hotel rooms, all other expenses covered, and so on. Even then, I'd have to speculate they're including the retail prices of their product in that $250,000 figure. Any large props used (like a vehicle or chain-link fence 'cage', for example) are one-time costs that can be used again and again.
It wouldn't make good business sense, but I reckon it's conceivable that someone like a VPX could spend $250,000 at the Arnold or FIBO...but they'd almost have to be *trying* to spend that much just to say they did.
It's impossible that booths cost so much, unless it's at the Arnold or something, there is no way these companies would recoup any of the money wasted on a booth, not THAT many people go to bodybuilding show's or even expo's for that matter, does anyone have attendance numbers for any expo?
I admit, I like the work Palumbo has been doing on RX. Mainly because he does have some of the best contest coverage on the web. Plus it seems like after only a day or two there is already another radio show or video on the site. I didn't hear about the virus problems but that's too bad.
John Romano and Derek Anthony both claimed that booths can run into the 50K-100K+ range. John claims that VPX would spend as much as $250,000 on a booth [21:00]:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/dashow/2010/10/29/da-show-33-special-guest-john-romano
Go to 28:30 and Derek makes a guess that GAT was spending 50K-100K on their booth but he admits he doesn't know for a fact. John claims shortly thereafter that Gaspari and others are paying in the six figures at the Olympia.
Do the unions really charge $1,000 for each use of a dolly as John claims? I could honestly believe that. Unions benefit their workers and the rest of us have to pay for them.
A small booth told me that their cost was over $10,000. The only booths smaller than theirs would have been the booths of Frank Zane and Samir Bannout that are off to the side of the expo. Every company I talked to claimed that booths/costs are expensive. No, I don't have the exact figures and for that matter, no one has posted anything detailing the total costs.
I think Species is a relatively young/small company but appears to be getting bigger. If they are operating at a loss that can't go on forever. I'm not claiming that they are doing $110 million a year in sales like Gaspari, but I think they are doing well.
Species certainly isn't paying 50 to 100k on their tables at the Arnold or the Olympia. They have pop up banners which require no assembly and they are using the provided tables to put all of their stuff on. For the Arnold Classic, I would say that he spend 10-20k on tables and about 1k for merchandise on the table. I don't count product because they sell it. The only grey area is the people working the booths and I would say 100-150 dollars per person a dayif he was paying them.
For some perspective, Greg was bigger than all the 2011 Ontario's Strongest Man competitors. I'm not sure what his bodybuilding plans are but he hasn't competed for six years so I don't think he has an interest in resuming that. He still carries a lot of size though.
The fuck is something like that anywhere near anything to do with BB - jesus there are some disgusting devients involved in this cult :-X
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=386550.0;attach=418616;image)
The fuck is something like that anywhere near anything to do with BB - jesus there are some disgusting devients involved in this cult :-XLOL. That's our very own Siouxcountry. And, if I remember correctly, his likes are pegging sessions.
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absolutely not
not at all
Greg is 6'2 and I would say he is at least 300. He may not be as lean as some of the competitors but in terms of the volume of space he occupies, he is a big dude and bigger than most in the OSM I would say. Next to Ron Partlow, Greg didn't exactly look like a small guy and Ron is huge. Are you thinking of the North America's Strongest Man contest on Saturday? I didn't watch it and those guys were probably bigger than the OSM guys.
Back to Species, I could definitely see girls working at the booth for free or for cheap because they are eager to get exposure from a name in the industry like Dave. I could also see Species do their best to keep costs down. I can only base my guess about Species on what I've heard here and there from people in the industry and from their presence at contests. They could fail for all I know and the market is saturated but I think they have taken an aggressive and consistent marketing approach so we'll see where that goes.
What was John Romano talking about when he said it cost 250K for VPX to set up their booth? Were they donating a car as a prize or something or did John mean 25K or did he just get his facts wrong?
Hey Matt C, I think you would be a perfect fit for Dave's team.
Dave is most likely paying Cormier with species sponsored women. No not true cormier gets morefixedpussyskanks than any one.