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Title: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Juruth on June 26, 2011, 06:12:00 AM
Imagine that hunky Mark Dugdale draping that beefcake body in his Sunday Best? Ultra hot!
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: kh300 on June 26, 2011, 06:30:19 AM
yes, such a dream boat   ???
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: mass243 on June 26, 2011, 06:31:20 AM
I thought we would see pics of his hot wife   >:(
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Juruth on June 26, 2011, 06:40:12 AM
The man walks with Christ.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: King Shizzo on June 26, 2011, 06:42:20 AM
Imagine that hunky Mark Dugdale draping that beefcake body in his Sunday Best? Ultra hot!
Ultra hypocrite.  Aren't good Christian boys supposed to not break the law on a daily basis?
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: jdooly on June 26, 2011, 09:22:08 AM
Ultra hypocrite.  Aren't good Christian boys supposed to not break the law on a daily basis?
we're not saved from what we do, but what He did.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: tommywishbone on June 26, 2011, 09:24:14 AM
Hail Satan!
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Purge_WTF on June 26, 2011, 09:31:06 AM
we're not saved from what we do, but what He did.

  You're right, but that doesn't give us the free reign to live however we want to.

  1 John 3:6: "No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him."

  Also, it states in Romans 13:1-7 that: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

  I certainly don't agree that responsible steroid use for cosmetic purposes should be illegal, but it is.

  
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Juruth on June 26, 2011, 11:59:05 AM
He's got prescriptions for HRT and also knows how to stack supplements. Would love to snuggle up and read the Bible in front of a roaring fire. I wonder if he smells like Old Spice.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: 240 is Back on June 26, 2011, 12:02:54 PM
great  points made here
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Juruth on June 26, 2011, 07:32:59 PM
Sunday Night: Mark Dugdale is tucking the daughters in, getting ready to "let it all hang out" in the Master Bedroom with the wife.  Sizzling!
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Disgusted on June 26, 2011, 07:37:07 PM
 You're right, but that doesn't give us the free reign to live however we want to.

  1 John 3:6: "No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him."

  Also, it states in Romans 13:1-7 that: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

  I certainly don't agree that responsible steroid use for cosmetic purposes should be illegal, but it is.

  

So I guess all mexican juicers go to heaven?
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: pellius on June 26, 2011, 07:39:23 PM
Ultra hypocrite.  Aren't good Christian boys supposed to not break the law on a daily basis?

Nothing immoral in using anabolics. Why would it be? Because in the US it's illegal? So if he used hormones in Brasil then it wouldn't be a sin? BTW, Christians were fed to the lions for practicing their religion which was against the law. They still are punished for it in many parts of the world.

Don't conflate legality with morality. BTW, I'm going to guess you are not a person of faith. It's always the irreligious that like to dictate how a religious person should practice their faith.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: King Shizzo on June 26, 2011, 07:52:34 PM
Nothing immoral in using anabolics. Why would it be? Because in the US it's illegal? So if he used hormones in Brasil then it wouldn't be a sin? BTW, Christians were fed to the lions for practicing their religion which was against the law. They still are punished for it in many parts of the world.

Don't conflate legality with morality. BTW, I'm going to guess you are not a person of faith. It's always the irreligious that like to dictate how a religious person should practice their faith.
People can/should believe in what they want to.  In my opinion if you consider yourself a true christian you should follow the bible to a T.  I believe in a higher power that created everything you see around us.  I also think the bible is nothing more than a fairy tale, and that church is an excuse to throw your money away to (pastors) who somehow think they are closer to "god" than everyone else.  I hope there is something after we die, but until our last day we will never know for sure.  Anyone that claims otherwise through "faith" or "science" are liars.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Juruth on June 26, 2011, 07:58:44 PM
And you know this because...?

Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: King Shizzo on June 26, 2011, 08:14:56 PM
And you know this because...?


?
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Tyr on June 27, 2011, 02:35:15 AM
The man walks with Christ.

Maybe he should return christ and get his money back.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: _bruce_ on June 27, 2011, 04:22:50 AM
Sunday Night: Mark Dugdale is tucking the daughters in, getting ready to "let it all hang out" in the Master Bedroom with the wife.  Sizzling!

Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: pellius on June 27, 2011, 04:35:45 AM
People can/should believe in what they want to.  In my opinion if you consider yourself a true christian you should follow the bible to a T.  I believe in a higher power that created everything you see around us.  I also think the bible is nothing more than a fairy tale, and that church is an excuse to throw your money away to (pastors) who somehow think they are closer to "god" than everyone else.  I hope there is something after we die, but until our last day we will never know for sure.  Anyone that claims otherwise through "faith" or "science" are liars.

I don't really like to get into this sort of thing because people pretty much have made up their minds and this board in particular is anti-religion and, more specifically, anti-Christian. But, many here who like to lecture and point their own holier than thou finger seem to lack a basic understanding of Christianity which never seems to deter them from their Christian admonitions. They, who really have no objective standards or ideals outside of themselves, i.e., they are their own god and answer only to themselves and their morality based primarily on their feelings and the whim of moment; like to point out a perceived hypocrisy in Christians. Let me state unequivocally and clearly that Christians rarely, if ever, "follow the Bible to a T." In fact, I'll go as far as to say that, other than Jesus Christ himself, a practicing and devout Christian NEVER follows the Bible to the T.

The difference between Christianity and, say, Judaism, is that a Christian cannot earn his way into heaven. Being good, doing good, is not going to do it. With Judaism you do not have to practice the Jewish faith to achieve salvation. Your good deeds, your goodness, will get you there. Jews care far more on how one behaves whereas a Christian cares far more on what you believe to achieve salvation. Which, of course, is Jesus Christ.  

Looked at from that perspective it seems very obvious that Judaism is a far more superior belief system than Christianity in making for a more decent and better world. I know in my personal life I care far more how someone treats me than what they think about me or feel about me or believe about me. Who cares if someone is at heart a racist as long as it is never acted on. That's why I never got this notion of a woman staying in an abusive relationship because "he really loves me." This may very well be true. The love may indeed be there but what good is it if it is never expressed? If you rarely or ever act in a loving manner what good is your love? Many a stern father committed this sin on his own children whom he truly loved but never expressed often with unfortunate if not disastrous results. And one of my most favorite group of people, though I think their theology is wacky, are Mormons, because they are overwhelming good and decent people though I'm sure many here will yell about how many Mormon's they know that have gay sex and and a back yard full of buried corpses. I admire Mormons because of how they behave and not because of what they believe.  

But, to paraphrase Shakespeare, "Aye, here's the rub." In Christianity we believe that we are not perfect, we are inherently flawed, we can never be perfect, we can never follow the Bible to the T, we can't do it all on our own. We need Christ. No one -- NO ONE -- can achieve salvation by themselves on their own. They need Christ. His dying on the cross paid for our sins and is a gift freely given. All one has to do is accept it. So we are saved by grace through our faith and not because of our good deeds. No one can earn their way into Heaven as no one is perfect. Good works and deeds are a response to God’s grace and not the cause of it. If one could simply earn their way into Heaven on their own then Christ dying on the cross would be meaningless.  

Now I know majority of people on this board laugh at this notion. It's all a fairy tale and a way for others to make money, kill people and have sex with children. Fair enough. You are entitled to your beliefs. This is why it's a matter of faith. You can sit on your rational high horse and declare yourself "spiritual" without really defining what that means. And that you believe in a higher power though it seems to come without an objective, existing outside of yourself, standard of behavior. You are your own god and answer to your often fickle and elastic sense of goodness and morality. You trust human nature to do the right thing. You trust your own human nature to do the right thing.

I don't.  

My main point is, is that one of basis of Christianity is that we are all sinners. We are all hypocrites. We have a fallen nature. Point out our failings and we will sigh, "I know." But that is why we need Christ. That is why we BELIEVE in Christ. And it is simply a matter of faith which is by definition believing in something for which there is very little, if any, logical evidence or proof of it's validity or truth. But for many of us, when contemplating what kind of person we want and believe we should be. How we view life, the universe and everything. Is there really an ultimate cosmic justice and it does matter whether you are a good person or an evil one. Or are we just a product of the random concussions in the universe  stemming from matter that simply always existed. That a Mother Teresa and an Adolph Hitler share the same eternal fate. For many of us we don't want to go through our entire life sitting on the fence. Either life has transcendent meaning or is doesn't. And because, as you mentioned, we can never know in this life with certainty, one at some point opts to take a "leap of faith." And I know in my life, though far from perfect, I have not done some bad things and have done some good things, simply because I want to go to heaven. Believing that there is such a thing as good and evil and it does matter what you live for has made me a better person. And I think it is no coincidence that as our society has become more secular it has also become more immoral and less decent. After all, if it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether you are good or not why bother? It is certainly much harder to do the right, noble and moral thing. Might as well just live for yourself. Be a hedonist.

Which is what we are, or have, become.

We are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves; not of works, lest anyone should boast. We live our lives in as righteous a manner as we can in thankful response to the priceless gift of God, our salvation, freely paid for on the cross by Christ himself.
        
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: WillGrant on June 27, 2011, 04:47:15 AM
pellius - this board is anti bullshit
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Butterbean on June 27, 2011, 06:25:27 AM
I don't really like to get into this sort of thing because people pretty much have made up their minds and this board in particular is anti-religion and, more specifically, anti-Christian. But, many here who like to lecture and point their own holier than thou finger seem to lack a basic understanding of Christianity which never seems to deter them from their Christian admonitions. They, who really have no objective standards or ideals outside of themselves, i.e., they are their own god and answer only to themselves and their morality based primarily on their feelings and the whim of moment; like to point out a perceived hypocrisy in Christians. Let me state unequivocally and clearly that Christians rarely, if ever, "follow the Bible to a T." In fact, I'll go as far as to say that, other than Jesus Christ himself, a practicing and devout Christian NEVER follows the Bible to the T.

The difference between Christianity and, say, Judaism, is that a Christian cannot earn his way into heaven. Being good, doing good, is not going to do it. With Judaism you do not have to practice the Jewish faith to achieve salvation. Your good deeds, your goodness, will get you there. Jews care far more on how one behaves whereas a Christian cares far more on what you believe to achieve salvation. Which, of course, is Jesus Christ.  

Looked at from that perspective it seems very obvious that Judaism is a far more superior belief system than Christianity in making for a more decent and better world. I know in my personal life I care far more how someone treats me than what they think about me or feel about me or believe about me. Who cares if someone is at heart a racist as long as it is never acted on. That's why I never got this notion of a woman staying in an abusive relationship because "he really loves me." This may very well be true. The love may indeed be there but what good is it if it is never expressed? If you rarely or ever act in a loving manner what good is your love? Many a stern father committed this sin on his own children whom he truly loved but never expressed often with unfortunate if not disastrous results. And one of my most favorite group of people, though I think their theology is wacky, are Mormons, because they are overwhelming good and decent people though I'm sure many here will yell about how many Mormon's they know that have gay sex and and a back yard full of buried corpses. I admire Mormons because of how they behave and not because of what they believe.  

But, to paraphrase Shakespeare, "Aye, here's the rub." In Christianity we believe that we are not perfect, we are inherently flawed, we can never be perfect, we can never follow the Bible to the T, we can't do it all on our own. We need Christ. No one -- NO ONE -- can achieve salvation by themselves on their own. They need Christ. His dying on the cross paid for our sins and is a gift freely given. All one has to do is accept it. So we are saved by grace through our faith and not because of our good deeds. No one can earn their way into Heaven as no one is perfect. Good works and deeds are a response to God’s grace and not the cause of it. If one could simply earn their way into Heaven on their own then Christ dying on the cross would be meaningless.  

Now I know majority of people on this board laugh at this notion. It's all a fairy tale and a way for others to make money, kill people and have sex with children. Fair enough. You are entitled to your beliefs. This is why it's a matter of faith. You can sit on your rational high horse and declare yourself "spiritual" without really defining what that means. And that you believe in a higher power though it seems to come without an objective, existing outside of yourself, standard of behavior. You are your own god and answer to your often fickle and elastic sense of goodness and morality. You trust human nature to do the right thing. You trust your own human nature to do the right thing.

I don't.  

My main point is, is that one of basis of Christianity is that we are all sinners. We are all hypocrites. We have a fallen nature. Point out our failings and we will sigh, "I know." But that is why we need Christ. That is why we BELIEVE in Christ. And it is simply a matter of faith which is by definition believing in something for which there is very little, if any, logical evidence or proof of it's validity or truth. But for many of us, when contemplating what kind of person we want and believe we should be. How we view life, the universe and everything. Is there really an ultimate cosmic justice and it does matter whether you are a good person or an evil one. Or are we just a product of the random concussions in the universe  stemming from matter that simply always existed. That a Mother Teresa and an Adolph Hitler share the same eternal fate. For many of us we don't want to go through our entire life sitting on the fence. Either life has transcendent meaning or is doesn't. And because, as you mentioned, we can never know in this life with certainty, one at some point opts to take a "leap of faith." And I know in my life, though far from perfect, I have not done some bad things and have done some good things, simply because I want to go to heaven. Believing that there is such a thing as good and evil and it does matter what you live for has made me a better person. And I think it is no coincidence that as our society has become more secular it has also become more immoral and less decent. After all, if it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether you are good or not why bother? It is certainly much harder to do the right, noble and moral thing. Might as well just live for yourself. Be a hedonist.

Which is what we are, or have, become.

We are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves; not of works, lest anyone should boast. We live our lives in as righteous a manner as we can in thankful response to the priceless gift of God, our salvation, freely paid for on the cross by Christ himself.
        

In sum, Christians are those that recognize they are sinners in need of a Savior and have accepted Jesus Christ as such.

We know we are unable to be good enough to save ourselves.  Thus  EPH 2:8,9, as Pellius posted.



Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: jdooly on June 27, 2011, 06:26:41 AM
People can/should believe in what they want to.  In my opinion if you consider yourself a true christian you should follow the bible to a T.  I believe in a higher power that created everything you see around us.  I also think the bible is nothing more than a fairy tale, and that church is an excuse to throw your money away to (pastors) who somehow think they are closer to "god" than everyone else.  I hope there is something after we die, but until our last day we will never know for sure.  Anyone that claims otherwise through "faith" or "science" are liars.
Pastor's arent closer to God than anyone else because "he (Jesus) is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them."  Hebrews 7:25.  He is the reason we don't have to sacrifice bulls and goats anymore to get "right" with God. LOL.  Anyway man I'm sorry if you've been hurt by the church.  I am saying sorry on behalf of Christians because we have failed much in representing the living God.  But bro, please don't let the actions/attitudes of people keep you from seeking God, because He wants to know you, love you and restore you and heal you in everyway possible, this is the Father's heart.  
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Skeletor on June 27, 2011, 06:30:16 AM
I don't really like to get into this sort of thing because people pretty much have made up their minds and this board in particular is anti-religion and, more specifically, anti-Christian.
:o
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: peroni on June 27, 2011, 07:16:24 AM
I don't really like to get into this sort of thing because people pretty much have made up their minds and this board in particular is anti-religion and, more specifically, anti-Christian. But, many here who like to lecture and point their own holier than thou finger seem to lack a basic understanding of Christianity which never seems to deter them from their Christian admonitions. They, who really have no objective standards or ideals outside of themselves, i.e., they are their own god and answer only to themselves and their morality based primarily on their feelings and the whim of moment; like to point out a perceived hypocrisy in Christians. Let me state unequivocally and clearly that Christians rarely, if ever, "follow the Bible to a T." In fact, I'll go as far as to say that, other than Jesus Christ himself, a practicing and devout Christian NEVER follows the Bible to the T.

The difference between Christianity and, say, Judaism, is that a Christian cannot earn his way into heaven. Being good, doing good, is not going to do it. With Judaism you do not have to practice the Jewish faith to achieve salvation. Your good deeds, your goodness, will get you there. Jews care far more on how one behaves whereas a Christian cares far more on what you believe to achieve salvation. Which, of course, is Jesus Christ.  

Looked at from that perspective it seems very obvious that Judaism is a far more superior belief system than Christianity in making for a more decent and better world. I know in my personal life I care far more how someone treats me than what they think about me or feel about me or believe about me. Who cares if someone is at heart a racist as long as it is never acted on. That's why I never got this notion of a woman staying in an abusive relationship because "he really loves me." This may very well be true. The love may indeed be there but what good is it if it is never expressed? If you rarely or ever act in a loving manner what good is your love? Many a stern father committed this sin on his own children whom he truly loved but never expressed often with unfortunate if not disastrous results. And one of my most favorite group of people, though I think their theology is wacky, are Mormons, because they are overwhelming good and decent people though I'm sure many here will yell about how many Mormon's they know that have gay sex and and a back yard full of buried corpses. I admire Mormons because of how they behave and not because of what they believe.  

But, to paraphrase Shakespeare, "Aye, here's the rub." In Christianity we believe that we are not perfect, we are inherently flawed, we can never be perfect, we can never follow the Bible to the T, we can't do it all on our own. We need Christ. No one -- NO ONE -- can achieve salvation by themselves on their own. They need Christ. His dying on the cross paid for our sins and is a gift freely given. All one has to do is accept it. So we are saved by grace through our faith and not because of our good deeds. No one can earn their way into Heaven as no one is perfect. Good works and deeds are a response to God’s grace and not the cause of it. If one could simply earn their way into Heaven on their own then Christ dying on the cross would be meaningless.  

Now I know majority of people on this board laugh at this notion. It's all a fairy tale and a way for others to make money, kill people and have sex with children. Fair enough. You are entitled to your beliefs. This is why it's a matter of faith. You can sit on your rational high horse and declare yourself "spiritual" without really defining what that means. And that you believe in a higher power though it seems to come without an objective, existing outside of yourself, standard of behavior. You are your own god and answer to your often fickle and elastic sense of goodness and morality. You trust human nature to do the right thing. You trust your own human nature to do the right thing.

I don't.  

My main point is, is that one of basis of Christianity is that we are all sinners. We are all hypocrites. We have a fallen nature. Point out our failings and we will sigh, "I know." But that is why we need Christ. That is why we BELIEVE in Christ. And it is simply a matter of faith which is by definition believing in something for which there is very little, if any, logical evidence or proof of it's validity or truth. But for many of us, when contemplating what kind of person we want and believe we should be. How we view life, the universe and everything. Is there really an ultimate cosmic justice and it does matter whether you are a good person or an evil one. Or are we just a product of the random concussions in the universe  stemming from matter that simply always existed. That a Mother Teresa and an Adolph Hitler share the same eternal fate. For many of us we don't want to go through our entire life sitting on the fence. Either life has transcendent meaning or is doesn't. And because, as you mentioned, we can never know in this life with certainty, one at some point opts to take a "leap of faith." And I know in my life, though far from perfect, I have not done some bad things and have done some good things, simply because I want to go to heaven. Believing that there is such a thing as good and evil and it does matter what you live for has made me a better person. And I think it is no coincidence that as our society has become more secular it has also become more immoral and less decent. After all, if it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether you are good or not why bother? It is certainly much harder to do the right, noble and moral thing. Might as well just live for yourself. Be a hedonist.

Which is what we are, or have, become.

We are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves; not of works, lest anyone should boast. We live our lives in as righteous a manner as we can in thankful response to the priceless gift of God, our salvation, freely paid for on the cross by Christ himself.
        

sounds like a great way to rationalize one's own behavior while passing judgment on others.

It's amazing to me that in this day and age people can still believe in mythology and fairy tales.

Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: MORTALCOIL on June 27, 2011, 07:31:58 AM
I don't really like to get into this sort of thing because people pretty much have made up their minds and this board in particular is anti-religion and, more specifically, anti-Christian. But, many here who like to lecture and point their own holier than thou finger seem to lack a basic understanding of Christianity which never seems to deter them from their Christian admonitions. They, who really have no objective standards or ideals outside of themselves, i.e., they are their own god and answer only to themselves and their morality based primarily on their feelings and the whim of moment; like to point out a perceived hypocrisy in Christians. Let me state unequivocally and clearly that Christians rarely, if ever, "follow the Bible to a T." In fact, I'll go as far as to say that, other than Jesus Christ himself, a practicing and devout Christian NEVER follows the Bible to the T.

The difference between Christianity and, say, Judaism, is that a Christian cannot earn his way into heaven. Being good, doing good, is not going to do it. With Judaism you do not have to practice the Jewish faith to achieve salvation. Your good deeds, your goodness, will get you there. Jews care far more on how one behaves whereas a Christian cares far more on what you believe to achieve salvation. Which, of course, is Jesus Christ.  

Looked at from that perspective it seems very obvious that Judaism is a far more superior belief system than Christianity in making for a more decent and better world. I know in my personal life I care far more how someone treats me than what they think about me or feel about me or believe about me. Who cares if someone is at heart a racist as long as it is never acted on. That's why I never got this notion of a woman staying in an abusive relationship because "he really loves me." This may very well be true. The love may indeed be there but what good is it if it is never expressed? If you rarely or ever act in a loving manner what good is your love? Many a stern father committed this sin on his own children whom he truly loved but never expressed often with unfortunate if not disastrous results. And one of my most favorite group of people, though I think their theology is wacky, are Mormons, because they are overwhelming good and decent people though I'm sure many here will yell about how many Mormon's they know that have gay sex and and a back yard full of buried corpses. I admire Mormons because of how they behave and not because of what they believe.  

But, to paraphrase Shakespeare, "Aye, here's the rub." In Christianity we believe that we are not perfect, we are inherently flawed, we can never be perfect, we can never follow the Bible to the T, we can't do it all on our own. We need Christ. No one -- NO ONE -- can achieve salvation by themselves on their own. They need Christ. His dying on the cross paid for our sins and is a gift freely given. All one has to do is accept it. So we are saved by grace through our faith and not because of our good deeds. No one can earn their way into Heaven as no one is perfect. Good works and deeds are a response to God’s grace and not the cause of it. If one could simply earn their way into Heaven on their own then Christ dying on the cross would be meaningless.  

Now I know majority of people on this board laugh at this notion. It's all a fairy tale and a way for others to make money, kill people and have sex with children. Fair enough. You are entitled to your beliefs. This is why it's a matter of faith. You can sit on your rational high horse and declare yourself "spiritual" without really defining what that means. And that you believe in a higher power though it seems to come without an objective, existing outside of yourself, standard of behavior. You are your own god and answer to your often fickle and elastic sense of goodness and morality. You trust human nature to do the right thing. You trust your own human nature to do the right thing.

I don't.  

My main point is, is that one of basis of Christianity is that we are all sinners. We are all hypocrites. We have a fallen nature. Point out our failings and we will sigh, "I know." But that is why we need Christ. That is why we BELIEVE in Christ. And it is simply a matter of faith which is by definition believing in something for which there is very little, if any, logical evidence or proof of it's validity or truth. But for many of us, when contemplating what kind of person we want and believe we should be. How we view life, the universe and everything. Is there really an ultimate cosmic justice and it does matter whether you are a good person or an evil one. Or are we just a product of the random concussions in the universe  stemming from matter that simply always existed. That a Mother Teresa and an Adolph Hitler share the same eternal fate. For many of us we don't want to go through our entire life sitting on the fence. Either life has transcendent meaning or is doesn't. And because, as you mentioned, we can never know in this life with certainty, one at some point opts to take a "leap of faith." And I know in my life, though far from perfect, I have not done some bad things and have done some good things, simply because I want to go to heaven. Believing that there is such a thing as good and evil and it does matter what you live for has made me a better person. And I think it is no coincidence that as our society has become more secular it has also become more immoral and less decent. After all, if it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether you are good or not why bother? It is certainly much harder to do the right, noble and moral thing. Might as well just live for yourself. Be a hedonist.

Which is what we are, or have, become.

We are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves; not of works, lest anyone should boast. We live our lives in as righteous a manner as we can in thankful response to the priceless gift of God, our salvation, freely paid for on the cross by Christ himself.
        

Your post is interesting but it leaves a few things to be desired. First, your vision of christianity is thoroughly protestant and specifically Anglo-saxon.
A Roman Catholic or a Russian Orthodox would beg to differ. Which makes the concept of Christianity itself very shaky actually. And most of all, your vision of Judaism is flawed. Judaism is all about obedience to the Law; a thing most Christians don't get (actually prostestants woud be the ones more likely to get it) is that for jews there's no fundamental difference between Faith and Obedience to God's Law, they are one; Judaism is about doing things, day after day, week after week. There is very little "reward" in the Tanakh for doing good deeds (very few indications of paradise, salvation, etc....).
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: mass243 on June 27, 2011, 07:36:18 AM
Holy fuk this thread got serious ...  :-\
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: King Shizzo on June 27, 2011, 07:52:05 AM
Your post is interesting but it leaves a few things to be desired. First, your vision of christianity is thoroughly protestant and specifically Anglo-saxon.
A Roman Catholic or a Russian Orthodox would beg to differ. Which makes the concept of Christianity itself very shaky actually. And most of all, your vision of Judaism is flawed. Judaism is all about obedience to the Law; a thing most Christians don't get (actually prostestants woud be the ones more likely to get it) is that for jews there's no fundamental difference between Faith and Obedience to God's Law, they are one; Judaism is about doing things, day after day, week after week. There is very little "reward" in the Tanakh for doing good deeds (very few indications of paradise, salvation, etc....).
This post brings up part of my point.  How can we have so many sub-divisions in Christianity?  Roman Catholic, Russian Orthodox, Protestant Etc..... How can you have faith in god, follow his teachings, but ultimately branch off into your own sect?  I will concentrate on living a good life, the best that I can.  When the time comes we will all find out what truely happens after we die.  My god would not want me to have a "hollow" faith in him on the outside, while having doubts on the inside.  I will confront this "all-forgiving" god when the time calls for it. He will judge me for the way I lived my life on earth, not how many passages I can memorize from the bible.  Maybe the only thing that truely awaits all of us is dirt and darkness................ ....
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Juruth on June 27, 2011, 08:36:50 AM
What about those pecs on Dugdale?
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: mass 04 on June 27, 2011, 08:43:08 AM
Sounds like jruth wants to eat the body of Mark..I'm sure he wants to drink something of Mark's, too...I don't think it's blood, though.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on June 27, 2011, 08:45:59 AM
Pride and Vanity are inter-connected. Pride is the worst of all deadly sins. If Dugdale really believes he's going to a better place than most when he dies, then he certainly doesn't believe in the 7 deadly sins. How could he?
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 27, 2011, 09:01:45 AM
Nothing immoral in using anabolics. Why would it be? Because in the US it's illegal? So if he used hormones in Brasil then it wouldn't be a sin? BTW, Christians were fed to the lions for practicing their religion which was against the law. They still are punished for it in many parts of the world.

Don't conflate legality with morality. BTW, I'm going to guess you are not a person of faith. It's always the irreligious that like to dictate how a religious person should practice their faith.

To be fair, Mark, or more accurately his wife, said Mark has a prescription for all his bb drugs. The implication being that this couple doesn't think it's moral breaking the law wrt this issue. I'm certain she didn't tell the whole truth, but that's really beside my point.

I've read the bible extensively but am not a person of faith. But from my point of view modern bodybuilding is the most Satanic recreational activity one could choose to do. And Sodom and Gomorrah was nothing compared to the bodybuilding scene.

Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: _bruce_ on June 27, 2011, 09:08:04 AM
Sounds like jruth wants to eat the body of Mark..I'm sure he wants to drink something of Mark's, too...I don't think it's blood, though.

Mr. Juruth is a gentleman's gentleman.
All interest shown in Mark is of purely ero-educational nature.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: ob205 on June 27, 2011, 09:20:58 AM
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: OneMoreRep on June 27, 2011, 09:30:18 AM
 You're right, but that doesn't give us the free reign to live however we want to.

  1 John 3:6: "No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him."

  Also, it states in Romans 13:1-7 that: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

  I certainly don't agree that responsible steroid use for cosmetic purposes should be illegal, but it is.

  

This post just made Ron bleed from his eyes.  I suggest giving biblical quotations in small doses.  For the sake of the Jews, go easy poppa..

"1"
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: wes on June 27, 2011, 09:35:26 AM
Sounds like jruth wants to eat the body of Mark..I'm sure he wants to drink something of Mark's, too...I don't think it's blood, though.
You funny fucker!  LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: jdooly on June 27, 2011, 11:58:28 AM
Pride and Vanity are inter-connected. Pride is the worst of all deadly sins. If Dugdale really believes he's going to a better place than most when he dies, then he certainly doesn't believe in the 7 deadly sins. How could he?
If Mark's life is for Jesus, then the blood of Jesus has paid his sins in full.  7 sins are "deadly" only because of the consequence they will leave in your life, as with all sin,  but they can't cancel out Mark's eternal destiny.  If they could, Christ died for nothing. 
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: AbrahamG on June 28, 2011, 12:22:55 AM
Ultra hypocrite.  Aren't good Christian boys supposed to not break the law on a daily basis?

Who cares.  He more than makes up for it by dousing his hot wife with his holy man water.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Butterbean on June 28, 2011, 07:31:08 AM
Your post is interesting but it leaves a few things to be desired. First, your vision of christianity is thoroughly protestant and specifically Anglo-saxon.
A Roman Catholic or a Russian Orthodox would beg to differ. Which makes the concept of Christianity itself very shaky actually. And most of all, your vision of Judaism is flawed. Judaism is all about obedience to the Law; a thing most Christians don't get (actually prostestants woud be the ones more likely to get it) is that for jews there's no fundamental difference between Faith and Obedience to God's Law, they are one; Judaism is about doing things, day after day, week after week. There is very little "reward" in the Tanakh for doing good deeds (very few indications of paradise, salvation, etc....).

I don't know anything about Russion Orthodoxy but you're right that a Roman Catholic would (usually) beg to differ w/what Pellius posted because they seem to teach traditions and whatever they deem truthful at the moment over what the bible says.  One of the popes even made Mary a "co-redeemer" w/Christ didn't he?   

Some would say that Roman Catholicism (depending on the teaching) and Biblical Christianity are different things.  I don't see how that makes Christianity "shaky" as you say.   

Do you know a lot about Judaism?  I'm interested in learning more about it (if you have time we could discuss it on the Relig. Board).
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: MORTALCOIL on June 28, 2011, 07:50:25 AM
I don't know anything about Russion Orthodoxy but you're right that a Roman Catholic would (usually) beg to differ w/what Pellius posted because they seem to teach traditions and whatever they deem truthful at the moment over what the bible says.  One of the popes even made Mary a "co-redeemer" w/Christ didn't he?   

Some would say that Roman Catholicism (depending on the teaching) and Biblical Christianity are different things.  I don't see how that makes Christianity "shaky" as you say.   

Do you know a lot about Judaism?  I'm interested in learning more about it (if you have time we could discuss it on the Relig. Board).

What I mean by "Shaky" is that nowadays, a lot of people tend to think of Christianity as unified concept where differences between catholics, prostestants, orthodox, apostolics, etc.... would only be of a kind of shade. Which is not only historically but philosophically and spiritually false. Actually, the only thing they have in common is their source. In fact, there are differences within those trends. When you think catholicism, you think Roman Catholics. But everybody should remember that one very strong part of the Catholic history is German (still now, Bavaria is the most hardcore Catholic practicing region of Europe) and that the Roman and German Catholics have fought for a long time (I'd admit that this was mainly a struggle for power and that their theological differences were few). Same thing exists within Protestantism and also other religions like Islam. As for Judaism, I've come to study it a bit though I was born muslim. I must say I deeply respect Judaism intelectually though I disagree with a lot of it.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Fortress on June 28, 2011, 09:33:17 AM
Gayer than sitting outside a mall store for the woman to choose a new outfit.
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on June 28, 2011, 09:43:59 AM
Tuesday morning and Mark is driving his BMW 650 to work while wearing a dress shirt, tie and posing thong.  He tells his colleagues, "I like to feel the leather on my ass."
Title: Re: Sunday Morning: Mark Dugdale Getting Ready For Church!
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on June 28, 2011, 12:55:45 PM
Tuesday morning and Mark is driving his BMW 650 to work while wearing a dress shirt, tie and posing thong.  He tells his colleagues, "I like to feel the leather on my ass."

lolz