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I have a friend who started his own business as a house painter etc. This guy has to take 5 to 10 pills of seroquel a day because he is a schizophrenic. If he doesn't take his pills, he starts seeing or hearing shit that may not really be there. So my question is---
Should the state or government known/recorded mentally ill have the right to start their own business in the United States? And if so, should they have to let unknowing customers know that their appraisals make be affected because of their fucked up brain?
Should regulations be in place so that the public is protected by the mentally ill who think it's their right to start a business?
Discuss
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going to be one blurry line when trying to define "mentally ill"
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I have a friend who started his own business as a house painter etc. This guy has to take 5 to 10 pills of seroquel a day because he is a schizophrenic. If he doesn't take his pills, he starts seeing or hearing shit that may not really be there. So my question is---
Should the mentally ill have the right to start their own business in the United States? And if so, should they have to let unknowing customers know that their appraisals make be affected because of their fucked up brain?
Should regulations be in place so that the sane public is protected by the mentally ill who think it's their right to start a business?
there already are.
how will he get workers comp, for starters? no company on the planet will insure him after an interview, etc.
his shortcomings will come out sooner or later. he either won't get business because people will see he's crazy or he'll be too mentally incompetent to handle the administrative side of the business.
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going to be one blurry line when trying to define "mentally ill"
I knew that might come back at me
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So my question is---
Should the state or government known/recorded mentally ill have the right to start their own business in the United States?
Discuss
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I have a friend who started his own business as a house painter etc. This guy has to take 5 to 10 pills of seroquel a day because he is a schizophrenic. If he doesn't take his pills, he starts seeing or hearing shit that may not really be there. So my question is---
Should the state or government known mentally ill have the right to start their own business in the United States? And if so, should they have to let unknowing customers know that their appraisals make be affected because of their fucked up brain?
Should regulations be in place so that the sane public is protected by the mentally ill who think it's their right to start a business?
Discuss
define sane !
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Should regulations be in place so that the PUBLIC is protected by the mentally ill who think it's their right to start a business?
Discuss
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Did he pass the state contractors test?
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Did he pass the state contractors test?
Do all states have that?
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Oklahoma is the only one I know of that doesn't require one, but that was along time ago. I have 3 inactive licenses (just need to pay fees to get them activated) C-39 Roofing, C-27 Landscaping and Real Estate (expired, need to retake test).
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Oklahoma is the only one I know of that doesn't require one, but that was along time ago. I have 3 inactive licenses (just need to pay fees to get them activated) C-39 Roofing, C-27 Landscaping and Real Estate (expired, need to retake test).
Do painters need one?
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In California if anyone does home improvement work worth more than $500 in labor and materials it requires a license.
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Need to add, I'm pretty sure its a similar law in most states.
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I'm thinking he should be allowed to paint houses - any other view is bordering on Nazi style fascism.
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I'm thinking he should be allowed to paint houses - any other view is bordering on Nazi style fascism.
So let the buyer beware?
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So let the buyer beware?
It's painting houses for fucks sake ... would you rather he not be able to get a job a live in a bus shelter?
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It's painting houses for fucks sake ... would you rather he not be able to get a job a live in a bus shelter?
Its never just about painting houses. Remember Arnold himself painted houses and told mexicans which part of the grass needed to be landscaped.
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Dude, do you realize how much liability the contractor has? You just can't say "let him paint a house" its not that that simple.
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Its never just about painting houses. Remember Arnold himself painted houses and told mexicans which part of the grass needed to be landscaped.
Woah, sounds challenging ::) ... i guess he should be happy if he gets a clean bus shelter
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Dude, do you realize how much liability the contractor has? You just can't say "let him paint a house" its not that that simple.
Yeah, you're absolutely right ... he has no rights ... what was he thinking being mentally ill and trying to start up a business.
It's painting houses not brain surgery.
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This question is more about the regulation of the "KNOWN" mentally ill. Those who surrendered to a disease then anything else. The known mentally ill can't have a gun. So should they be able to register there own business?
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absolutely
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Yeah, you're absolutely right ... he has no rights ... what was he thinking being mentally ill and trying to start up a business.
It's painting houses not brain surgery.
No..it's not but it still requires knowledge of construction. Was that a serious answer you gave? Just curious.
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Why not? They can start bodybuilding forums.
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Why not? They can start bodybuilding forums.
....and proves most are mentally ill.
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Woah, sounds challenging ::) ... i guess he should be happy if he gets a clean bus shelter
A landscaper I went to school with is the richest guy in my town(allegedly)... Doctors and lawyer live behind a gated community where the most expensive house is 1.5 million. This guy never went to college and built a 10 million dollar compound in the same smallish community. Point is it doesn't matter if the person is a landscaper/painter or doctor. Question was always about the known mentally ill.
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No..it's not but it still requires knowledge of construction. Was that a serious answer you gave? Just curious.
I actually know someone who paints houses for a living ... I'm gonna ask him what knowledge he requires. Just because the guy has a mental illness does not mean he is a retard, he may well have this knowledge.
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absolutely
Do you think they should be able to have a gun if they want?
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Do you think they should be able to have a gun if they want?
No, but then I don't think anyone should have a gun.
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I actually know someone who paints houses for a living ... I'm gonna ask him what knowledge he requires. Just because the guy has a mental illness does not mean he is a retard, he may well have this knowledge.
Ask him if he knows....electrical, structure (replacing facia, starter eves), etc to code. What state are you in?
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No, but then I don't think anyone should have a gun.
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Western Australia ... I'm pretty sure he doesn't know any of that and he works as an apprentice.
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Ask him if he knows....electrical, structure (replacing facia, starter eves), etc to code. What state are you in?
Why do you make the assumption that because he is mentally ill he is therefore also stupid with a sub-par IQ?
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Why do you make the assumption that because he is mentally ill he is therefore also stupid with a sub-par IQ?
Some mentally ill have the greatest minds on the planet. My question is should they be regulated to some extent like they have to be about gun control?
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as far as starting a business, my answer is no
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Why not ? The Coach is a very successful businessman
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Why not ? The Coach is a very successful businessman
And make more than a full time high rise union foreman.
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Western Australia ... I'm pretty sure he doesn't know any of that and he works as an apprentice.
Well shit, if he's an apprentice he works for a contractor and is still learning. I think Abdominal meant his friend was working as a self-employed contractor.
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Why not ? The Coach is a very successful businessman
Registered State/federal mentally ill. Who need high powered meds to function. People who surrendered to their disease(as Dr. Drew would say) and let the state or Feds take over.
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And make more than a full time high rise union foreman.
It doesn't matter ,you're still a fagg0t who failed at life.
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Registered State/federal mentally ill. Who need high powered meds to function. People who surrendered to their disease(as Dr. Drew would say) and let the state or Feds take over.
Didn't realize he was registered :-\
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Registered State/federal mentally ill. Who need high powered meds to function. People who surrendered to their disease(as Dr. Drew would say) and let the state or Feds take over.
If he passes all the required tests/applications to run his business then I see no reason why not.
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Well shit, if he's an apprentice he works for a contractor and is still learning. I think Abdominal meant his friend was working as a self-employed contractor.
Yes he is his own boss. Makes weird video's of himself in the woods. Is on a boat load on anti-psychotic meds. A known sociopath who only talk/writes about himself.
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Didn't realize he was registered :-\
Don't know if he is but has gone to state hospitals where they diagnosed him. And put him on meds. So he's in "their" files. Yet runs a business.
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Yes he is his own boss. Makes weird video's of himself in the woods. Is on a boat load on anti-psychotic meds. A known sociopath who only talk/writes about himself.
Johnny Failcan ???
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It doesn't matter ,you're still a fagg0t who failed at life.
LOL....k. I'll write you next week from my home in Palm Springs on a golf course after I leave my home on the beach because my son is on summer vacation from his private school where he has a 3.5 GPA and the only starting catcher ever in his school to be in the 8th grade to start as a JV. You? I mean, you want to be an asshole about it, I might as well put out there.
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Yes he is his own boss. Makes weird video's of himself in the woods. Is on a boat load on anti-psychotic meds. A known sociopath who only talk/writes about himself.
Only the work he does is important as far as being a contractor is concerned. The fact that you think he is weird is irrelevant.
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Dude, if the seroquel controls his schizophrenia/mental issue then he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
I have experience in construction. My pops has his own business and I've worked for him for 10 years.
There are drug addicts, gamblers, liars and cheaters who own businesses. If these fuck heads can own a business, then anyone can.
This guy my pops did business long time ago with was very successful at his peak. When he started a coke habit, shit went down hill for the guy. He started taking deposits for big jobs ...and never even started them. Basically, stealing money from people. Illinois state attorney Lisa Madigan is in the process of suing him right now.
If he's honest and does a half way decent job, then by all means let a man work.
What's the other option? Him beeing a leech on society and using up public aid benefits?
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LOL....k. I'll write you next week from my home in Palm Springs on a golf course after I leave my home on the beach because my son is on summer vacation from his private school where he has a 3.5 GPA and the only starting catcher ever in his school to be in the 8th grade to start as a JV. You? I mean, you want to be an asshole about it, I might as well put out there.
You forgot a 5' 5'' drug addict , homosexual ,married 4 times (BTW all wives cheated on you ) bragging about money to compensate for low self esteem and insecurities ;D.
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Johnny Failcan ???
No but failcan like. This guy is under 6 feet tall.
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Only the work he does is important as far as being a contractor is concerned. The fact that you think he is weird is irrelevant.
I didn't say he's weird. I said weird video's. I don't think Vince Basile is weird but I think windowless vans are weird.
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You forgot a 5' 5'' drug addict , homosexual ,married 4 times (BTW all wives cheated on you ) bragging about money to compensate for low self esteem and insecurities ;D.
LOL...you lose again. Haven't done drugs in 20 years, 1st wife was gay, 2nd cheated, 3rd is diagnosed manic/bi-polar, 4th is perfect. as for being 5'5. I'm 5'6 and it's never bothered me and it never bothered anyone else either even when I was dating well known women in the fitness/bodybuilding industry (before you knew what a weight was).....so, keep trying lib boy.
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Dude, if the seroquel controls his schizophrenia/mental issue then he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
I have experience in construction. My pops has his own business and I've worked for him for 10 years.
There are drug addicts, gamblers, liars and cheaters who own businesses. If these fuck heads can own a business, then anyone can.
This guy my pops did business long time ago with was very successful at his peak. When he started a coke habit, shit went down hill for the guy. He started taking deposits for big jobs ...and never even started them. Basically, stealing money from people. Illinois state attorney Lisa Madigan is in the process of suing him right now.
If he's honest and does a half way decent job, then by all means let a man work.
What's the other option? Him beeing a leech on society and using up public aid benefits?
Who knows but he himself if they are honest. You and your pops have experience in seeing the mentally ill fuck over people. What i"m saying is if someone is known to be mentally ill, and society says "you can't have a gun", then why let them run a business where they can do what you and your dad have seen?
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Who knows but he himself if they are honest. You and your pops have experience in seeing the mentally ill fuck over people. What i"m saying is if someone is known to be mentally ill, and society says "you can't have a gun", then why let them run a business where they can do what you and your dad have seen?
You have no evidence that he will "do" anything wrong - you're simply prejudiced.
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Who knows but he himself if they are honest. You and your pops have experience in seeing the mentally ill fuck over people. What i"m saying is if someone is known to be mentally ill, and society says "you can't have a gun", then why let them run a business where they can do what you and your dad have seen?
Wouldn't it be better to put them on "aid" then have them steal millions from other people and/or the court system when they get caught? Or better yet, how about they just have to get a job and work for someone and not ever be able to be a boss.
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LOL...you lose again. Haven't done drugs in 20 years, 1st wife was gay, 2nd cheated, 3rd is diagnosed manic/bi-polar, 4th is perfect. as for being 5'5. I'm 5'6 and it's never bothered me and it never bothered anyone else either even when I was dating well known women in the fitness/bodybuilding industry (before you knew what a weight was).....so, keep trying lib boy.
Haha ,you just confirmed everything I said , loser.
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Wouldn't it be better to put them on "aid" then have them steal millions from other people and/or the court system when they get caught? Or better yet, how about they just have to get a job and work for someone and not ever be able to be a boss.
He's not a criminal he is mental ill - there's a difference. There is no basis to treat him any different from anyone else.
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Haha ,you just confirmed everything I said , loser.
Hahaha, God you're dumb. The lack of commonsense really resonates with you..hahahahahahaha. I think you were the mentally ill person Abominal Snowman was referring to. LOL
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You have no evidence that he will "do" anything wrong - you're simply prejudiced.
No i'm asking questions. I haven't made up my mind on what I think about it yet to be honest. If someone is to "crazy" to have a gun. Or join the military etc. Then should they be able to run their own business where they could have hundreds if not thousands of employee's? I don't know where I stand on it yet. Just asking questions to all you fine folks is all.
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He's not a criminal he is mental ill - there's a difference. There is no basis to treat him any different from anyone else.
But if society says "you can't have a gun" or "you can't join the military". Then why can't they say that you can't handle the obligation it takes to run a business?
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I think Abominal Snowman was the mentally ill person he was referring to.
Huh ???
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Hahaha, God you're dumb. The lack of commonsense really resonates with you..hahahahahahaha. I think Abominal Snowman was the mentally ill person he was referring to. LOL
Nice try. Deflection suits you well. Twister of truth is it?
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Who knows but he himself if they are honest. You and your pops have experience in seeing the mentally ill fuck over people. What i"m saying is if someone is known to be mentally ill, and society says "you can't have a gun", then why let them run a business where they can do what you and your dad have seen?
Dude, you're comparing a gun and owning a business? That's apples and oranges, kid.
Stop talking nonsense.
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But if society says "you can't have a gun" or "you can't join the military". Then why can't they say that you can't handle the obligation it takes to run a business?
Where does it end - perhaps we just put them in jail just to save us all the trouble. Possibly he won't be able to handle it, you don't know for sure.
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Wouldn't it be better to put them on "aid" then have them steal millions from other people and/or the court system when they get caught? Or better yet, how about they just have to get a job and work for someone and not ever be able to be a boss.
Yes, it's better for them to steal millions then to have a gun and possibly take lives.
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This guy sounds like a less pretentious Adonis gimmick.
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Hahaha, God you're dumb. The lack of commonsense really resonates with you..hahahahahahaha. I think you were the mentally ill person Abominal Snowman was referring to. LOL
Fixed.
*fuck*
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Fixed.
*fuck*
Lolz. No problem bro. I'm always to quick on the "fuk u" trigger ;D
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Dude, you're comparing a gun and owning a business? That's apples and oranges, kid.
Stop talking nonsense.
Don't you think the bigger picture is in question? How many lives did the housing bubble take? How many suicides were there because of refinancing companies that gave loans at 30-40-even 50% of income in some cases. Guns aren't the only thing that kill people. C'on bro.
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This guy sounds like a less pretentious Adonis gimmick.
Whats your problem with asking a question about the mentally ill? Fucking weird. Thousand of companies fail everyday in America. Why is it taboo to you to question letting known mentally ill people register a company in their own name? How is that "out of line"? Jesus whats wrong with some of you people?
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Considering all you negative bastards in here; two very prominent people with clear mental disorders have gone ahead and started their own businesses. I'm talking of course about Dave Palumbo and Ronnie Coleman (Ronnie Coleman Nutrition) considering their fragile mental states I think it's pretty clear it can be done.
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I actually know someone who paints houses for a living ... I'm gonna ask him what knowledge he requires. Just because the guy has a mental illness does not mean he is a retard, he may well have this knowledge.
And just because their mentally ill doesn't mean they will kill someone with a gun. Yet in America, that disqualifies you from having one. Go figure :-\
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Considering all you negative bastards in here; two very prominent people with clear mental disorders have gone ahead and started their own businesses. I'm talking of course about Dave Palumbo and Ronnie Coleman (Ronnie Coleman Nutrition) considering their fragile mental states I think it's pretty clear it can be done.
You make perfect sense. Palumbo for sure is absolute bonkers. We all know he's a rat, sells bunk gear, rat poison in place of HGH, shops at barnum and bailey for his shoes, loves tyrannies etc etc. Stanley Kubrick used his face for the fake moon landing footage when he needed a close up of craters. But is he registered with a state or feds as being "bonkers"? That is the question.
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You make perfect sense. Palumbo for sure is absolute bonkers. We all know he's a rat, sells bunk gear, rat poison in place of HGH, shops at barnum and bailey for his shoes, loves tyrannies etc etc. Stanley Kubrick used his face for the fake moon landing footage when he needed a close up of craters. But is he registered with a state or feds as being "bonkers"? That is the question.
Only Romano knows :)
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Only Romano knows :)
lol
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Vincent Van Gogh
(http://blogs.princeton.edu/wri152-3/f05/jasonwu/sh87.jpg)
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LOL....k. I'll write you next week from my home in Palm Springs on a golf course after I leave my home on the beach because my son is on summer vacation from his private school where he has a 3.5 GPA and the only starting catcher ever in his school to be in the 8th grade to start as a JV. You? I mean, you want to be an asshole about it, I might as well put out there.
Mad props for all your accomplishments big man, sounds like you had been through a rough path in the past but things seem to be completely turned around. I have nothing but respect for hard working, self made men like yourself.
Well done indeed.
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You make perfect sense. Palumbo for sure is absolute bonkers. We all know he's a rat, sells bunk gear, rat poison in place of HGH, shops at barnum and bailey for his shoes, loves tyrannies etc etc. Stanley Kubrick used his face for the fake moon landing footage when he needed a close up of craters. But is he registered with a state or feds as being "bonkers"? That is the question.
Wasn't he convicted for something? That would make him a criminal which is far worse.
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Wasn't he convicted for something? That would make him a criminal which is far worse.
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Mad props for all your accomplishments big man, sounds like you had been through a rough path in the past but things seem to be completely turned around. I have nothing but respect for hard working, self made men like yourself.
Well done indeed.
Thank you..but this was about che calling me a "loser". I just felt I should qualify what a loser I was. I know this is getbig and the internet but the difference between che and I is while he's an employee and happy with that, I'm the type that thinks about owning the company i work for.
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Dude stupid questions get stupid answers.
Anyways, let the market place decide if mentally ill can run a business.
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Mad props for all your accomplishments big man, sounds like you had been through a rough path in the past but things seem to be completely turned around. I have nothing but respect for hard working, self made men like yourself.
Well done indeed.
bahahahahahahahaha
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Dude stupid questions get stupid answers.
Anyways, let the market place decide if mentally ill can run a business.
So be it. The mentally ill being able to register a business is a stupid question? Got it.
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Thank you..but this was about che calling me a "loser". I just felt I should qualify what a loser I was. I know this is getbig and the internet but the difference between che and I is while he's an employee and happy with that, I'm the type that thinks about owning the company i work for.
LOL I know what you were trying to do,
but reading a bunch of your posts it seems like you really have your shit together... Now I don't think I will ever agree with you politically, ;D at least not an everything, but I admire your hard work and way of life. again well done. and best of luck with owning that company.
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You're making wild comparisons and saying a bunch of nonsense.
Anyways, if a person's mental illness is treated then there's no issue.
What's the difference of a diabetic running a business ...if they're on insulin or blood sugar meds, then they're controlling it and ok.
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You're making wild comparisons and saying a bunch of nonsense.
Anyways, if a person's mental illness is treated then there's no issue.
What's the difference of a diabetic running a business ...if they're on insulin or blood sugar meds, then they're controlling it and ok.
But in the eyes of the government, diabetics can register a gun, yet can't join the military. Would that be known as Irony?
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But in the eyes of the government, diabetics can register a gun, yet can't join the military. Would that be known as Irony?
i·ro·ny
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
Now that you're educated on the meaning of irony...
Why would you want a diabetic solider in the field who is a risk to burden his fellow soliders who would have to rescue/help him?
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i·ro·ny
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
Now that you're educated on the meaning of irony...
Why would you want a diabetic solider in the field who is a risk to burden his fellow soliders who would have to rescue/help him?
Its about regulation is all. However many diabetics try to lie and get into the service. Yet many don't because they know there's a way the military can get a hold of that kind of info.
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I've been trolled
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I've been trolled
failcan 4DAwINN
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This question is more about the regulation of the "KNOWN" mentally ill. Those who surrendered to a disease then anything else. The known mentally ill can't have a gun. So should they be able to register there own business?
I am intrugued by the phrase "Those who surrendered to a disease",...are you implying that it is the fault of these individuals that they are the way they are? That if they just had more intestinal fortitude, they would be "right as rain"?
Is that what you mean?...
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we've been trolled :-[ :'(
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I am intrugued by the phrase "Those who surrendered to a disease",...are you implying that it is the fault of these individuals that they are the way they are? That if they just had more intestinal fortitude, they would be "right as rain"?
Is that what you mean?...
Not free will. But to consciously make the decision to try to understand why you're fcked.
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I am intrugued by the phrase "Those who surrendered to a disease",...are you implying that it is the fault of these individuals that they are the way they are? That if they just had more intestinal fortitude, they would be "right as rain"?
Is that what you mean?...
Do you honestly think "they" have control over the disease? Wouldn't the right thing to do is to surrendered to it and give it respect?
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Do you honestly think "they" have control over the disease? Wouldn't the right thing to do is to surrendered to it and give it respect?
And when I say surrender, I only mean acknowledge you have the disease. Not surrender to it and let it eat you alive.
Maybe just don't own a gun and join the military at these time. Or start your own business where you in control over 1 to a million people... I don't know, call me wacky.
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Do you honestly think "they" have control over the disease? Wouldn't the right thing to do is to surrendered to it and give it respect?
aaah, but you see in reading your missives,...you are the one implying those individuals have willful control over whether or not they are sick...
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Vincent Van Gogh
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Kirk Douglas...
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A depressed angry Ginger. But aren't they all...
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He might paint your house in those psychadelic colours, far out man, Woodstock...
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u just gotta pay yo taxes fool
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I have a friend who started his own business as a house painter etc. This guy has to take 5 to 10 pills of seroquel a day because he is a schizophrenic. If he doesn't take his pills, he starts seeing or hearing shit that may not really be there. So my question is---
Should the state or government known/recorded mentally ill have the right to start their own business in the United States? And if so, should they have to let unknowing customers know that their appraisals make be affected because of their fucked up brain?
Should regulations be in place so that the public is protected by the mentally ill who think it's their right to start a business?
Discuss
Good For him. SEROQUEL is an antiphyscotic medication. I myself have mild schizophrenia along with a handful of other mental disorders. Heres a weird coincidence, one of my good buddys i have known for years, also has schizophrenia but his is ALOT worse than mine, hes been on antiphyscotics and is a music producer/has his own recording studio and still receives SSI.
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The secret lies in never getting diagnosed.