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well he both of them wanted to box. he didn't try to submit.
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uppercuts are fucking underrated
too many including myself are used to jabs and straights. but those upper cuts fuck people up when up close or if opponent is trying to get low on you
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great chin on Silva there
::)
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I've always wondered why in MMA one or two punches is often enough to knock an opponent out, but in boxing many vicious blows are exchanged over several rounds.
Is it purely because of the gloves, or what?
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That was horrible man. Guys been my hero since I was 13.
This makes me feel a little bit better
Hopefully he hangs them up though.
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great chin on Silva there
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Hish chin is shot. Cro cop almost decapitated him with one of his roundhouse kicks. Then he got put to sleep by henderson and rampage. That's the trifecta of doom.
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those uppercuts right on the dot put anyone down
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what if i uppercut you?
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those uppercuts right on the dot put anyone down
He got clipped behind the ear with that left hook. By instict he went for that clinch. Five years ago he would of recoverd quick from that shot. He's way over the hill.
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I've always wondered why in MMA one or two punches is often enough to knock an opponent out, but in boxing many vicious blows are exchanged over several rounds.
Is it purely because of the gloves, or what?
Could be the gloves but my guess is that boxers, far more so than MMA fighters, guard their chins like their daughter's pussy. Look at a traditional boxers stance compared to MMA and how they hold their hands when in tight or up against the ropes. Chin down, gloves (much bigger and softer than MMA gloves) held tight against their chin.
You can't get away with that in MMA because of take downs as well as lower body strikes.
I've been so often hearing about how MMA fighters have weak chins compared to boxers. Not so. Their chins are any weaker or stronger than anybody else in any sport. They just have a lot more of their body to protect.
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MMA is better than boxing.
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MMA is better than boxing.
what aspect?
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Look at a traditional boxers stance compared to MMA and how they hold their hands when in tight or up against the ropes. Chin down, gloves (much bigger and softer than MMA gloves) held tight against their chin.
You can't get away with that in MMA because of take downs as well as lower body strikes.
This. Add to the fact that there is a world of difference in the gloves. How many punches do you think anyone could take from a pro boxer wearing 4oz gloves? I have trained with both for years and 4oz gloves are much worse to get hit with than bare knuckles and so much worse than boxing gloves you would have to feel it to understand. There isn't a person in the world that could get hit as many times in a 12 round fight as a boxer does if the opponent was wearing 4 ozers.
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Could be the gloves but my guess is that boxers, far more so than MMA fighters, guard their chins like their daughter's pussy. Look at a traditional boxers stance compared to MMA and how they hold their hands when in tight or up against the ropes. Chin down, gloves (much bigger and softer than MMA gloves) held tight against their chin.
You can't get away with that in MMA because of take downs as well as lower body strikes.
I've been so often hearing about how MMA fighters have weak chins compared to boxers. Not so. Their chins are any weaker or stronger than anybody else in any sport. They just have a lot more of their body to protect.
Silva's chin is fine , Leben is a 1 punch Ko artist and Wanderley has a horrible defense ,guess what happenned?
BTW ,boxers don't hit harder than MMA fighters , boxers chins aren't better than MMA fighters .............etc .
Defense (reflexes )take years to master , that's why you don't see MMA fighters crossing over to boxing or retired athletes starting a boxing career after the age of 30 .
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This. Add to the fact that there is a world of difference in the gloves. How many punches do you think anyone could take from a pro boxer wearing 4oz gloves? I have trained with both for years and 4oz gloves are much worse to get hit with than bare knuckles and so much worse than boxing gloves you would have to feel it to understand. There isn't a person in the world that could get hit as many times in a 12 round fight as a boxer does if the opponent was wearing 4 ozers.
I disagree ,I've been hit by 4 ,6 ,8 ,10, 12 ,16oz gloves , bare knuckle..etc , it all depend who hits you ,trust me.
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I disagree ,I've been hit by 4 ,6 ,8 ,10, 12 ,16oz gloves , bare knuckle..etc , it all depend who hits you ,trust me.
dont let groink
hit you
hes roid ragin
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Silva's chin is fine , Leben is a 1 punch Ko artist and Wanderley has a horrible defense ,guess what happenned?
BTW ,boxers don't hit harder than MMA fighters , boxers chins aren't better than MMA fighters .............etc .
Defense (reflexes )take years to master , that's why you don't see MMA fighters crossing over to boxing or retired athletes starting a boxing career after the age of 30 .
Silvas chin is definitely not fine. He gets punched out by hits he used to smile at.
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This. Add to the fact that there is a world of difference in the gloves. How many punches do you think anyone could take from a pro boxer wearing 4oz gloves? I have trained with both for years and 4oz gloves are much worse to get hit with than bare knuckles and so much worse than boxing gloves you would have to feel it to understand. There isn't a person in the world that could get hit as many times in a 12 round fight as a boxer does if the opponent was wearing 4 ozers.
You wouldn't think that wearing 4 oz gloves would be worse. It's counter intuitive. But anybody that's been hit by the 4 ouncers know what you are talking about. It may sound far fetch and I'm just speculating but a bare fist may dissipates energy more because the force transfer may vary due to the size and position of the protruding knuckles and how it contact it's target. With the gloves it concentrates the energy transfer more because of the smooth even surface area and 4 ounces isn't enough of a cushion to absorb the impact.
Of course the gloves were just a means to make the sport legit and please the politicians that know nothing about combat sports. The original UFC was bare fisted.
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what aspect?
what apsect is mma not better...that would be the shorter list...
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I disagree ,I've been hit by 4 ,6 ,8 ,10, 12 ,16oz gloves , bare knuckle..etc , it all depend who hits you ,trust me.
Of course it matters who hits you but we have to compare apples to apples. Meaning the same guy hitting you. BTW, I meant to write that MMA fighter's chin are NOT any weaker or stronger than boxers. They have more targets to protect and more of a chance to leaving the chin open.
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As I've said before:
"mma" is for guys who are too slow and fat + dumb for boxing.
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Human chicken fighting? No thanks. Boxing? Yes please........a far superior sport.
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edit* the new positive swede aint even gonna bother with threads like these ;D
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Silva lost too much weight and steroids fucked him...
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I've boxed for years,and have seen Boxers get knocked out just as fast.....Point?
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Boxing is a brutal sport. The top MMA guys couldn't box a real fighter in boxing. They would get beat bad. Having said that most boxers couldn't fight in MMA. They don't have the skills needed.
Boxing for me is more entertaining. I like MMA fights but boxing is more fun to watch. It has a long history. MMA is gaining fans but when the winner of a big fight gets 200,000 and the winner of a big boxing match gets 20 million you can see the difference in world popularity.
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I've boxed for years,and have seen Boxers get knocked out just as fast.....Point?
i hear fools all the time claiming that mma will be bigger and more popular than boxing (nrver happen) ::) most mma guys would be little more than journey men if they boxed. i've heard idiots argue that a prime tyson would get his ass whooped in the octagon... haha, yeah!
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copped him with a haymaker ::)
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i hear fools all the time claiming that mma will be bigger and more popular than boxing (nrver happen) ::) most mma guys would be little more than journey men if they boxed. i've heard idiots argue that a prime tyson would get his ass whooped in the octagon... haha, yeah!
People who say that are either clueless or Tyson haters.
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i hear fools all the time claiming that mma will be bigger and more popular than boxing (nrver happen) ::) most mma guys would be little more than journey men if they boxed. i've heard idiots argue that a prime tyson would get his ass whooped in the octagon... haha, yeah!
You don't believe that to be true..?? Boxers have a more solid stance.. We would get taken down easily.. ? A boxer can only hurt you,if he hits you.. An MMArtist can win a fight in many ,many different ways...Ways that I could not defend.. But if he gets in the ring with me,and goes toe to toe with me,I'd do well...
Now thinking it's better is just a matter of one's opinion.. I like both,and will watch pretty much anything that has to do with fighting.. But others watch just one exclusively.. I don't care.. I like both.. Just more to watch.
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Boxing is a brutal sport. The top MMA guys couldn't box a real fighter in boxing. They would get beat bad. Having said that most boxers couldn't fight in MMA. They don't have the skills needed.
Boxing for me is more entertaining. I like MMA fights but boxing is more fun to watch. It has a long history. MMA is gaining fans but when the winner of a big fight gets 200,000 and the winner of a big boxing match gets 20 million you can see the difference in world popularity.
We know....thats why mma fighters take boxers to the ground THEN beat the fuck out of them.
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copped him with a haymaker ::)
Followed by an upper cut.
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what apsect is mma not better...that would be the shorter list...
Don King's haircut.
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Boxing = Gentlemen sport
MMA = Gladiator sport for the common white trash people.
Boxing = You need talent lots of it
MMA = Anybody can do it
Boxing = Chess
MMA = Brawling
I know you MMA fanboys want to disgree with me and tell me how much technique there is in MMA but I have
seen a shitloads of fights in my life and they all look like that, the difference they didn't happen in a ring but
in some bar or on the street, still the same.
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Boxing = Gentlemen sport
MMA = Gladiator sport for the common white trash people.
Boxing = You need talent lots of it
MMA = Anybody can do it
Boxing = Chess
MMA = Brawling
I know you MMA fanboys want to disagree with me and tell me how much technique there is in MMA but I have
seen a shitloads of fights in my life and they all look like that, the difference they didn't happen in a ring but
in some bar or on the street, still the same.
That's kind of why I like mma. I want to see the closest thing to a real fight. Once you've been watching mma for awhile it's hard to go back and watch boring ass boxing with their big pillow gloves running around jabbing eachother for 12 rounds. I watched that klitschko vs haye fight god that was the gayest fight I've ever seen. I get showtime and I couldn't help but keep flipping the channels during that fight. Only exciting fighters in boxing are the real light guys and who really cares about 135 pounders.
It's hilarious that people still believe a boxer would have any kind of chance at all in the cage with mixed martial artist. Get real. Didn't you see what happen to fat ass James Toney? That would happen 9 out of 10 times. In a streetfight things would be more even depending on the amount of room there is. If you're in a bar pressed up against the wall a mixed martial artist isn't gonna be able to shoot a double leg or pick an ankle.
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I've always wondered why in MMA one or two punches is often enough to knock an opponent out, but in boxing many vicious blows are exchanged over several rounds.
Is it purely because of the gloves, or what?
The gloves make a big difference, not so much the padding as the surface area. Injuries in general come from stress/strain rather than the force of the blow, and the big old boxing glove has a huge surface area compared to tiny little MMA gloves = much less pressure/stress for a given force behind the punch.
Boxers probably punch a lot harder though.
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Boxing = Gentlemen sport
MMA = Gladiator sport for the common white trash people.
Boxing = You need talent lots of it
MMA = Anybody can do it
Boxing = Chess
MMA = Brawling
I know you MMA fanboys want to disgree with me and tell me how much technique there is in MMA but I have
seen a shitloads of fights in my life and they all look like that, the difference they didn't happen in a ring but
in some bar or on the street, still the same.
this is actually a fair breakdown. In both sports you have purist fans vs. typical joe fans. I feel that is where the debate boxing vs mma originated along with Dana White leading the caravan.
Purist understand the tremendous difference in the two sports. Typical joe's will watch anybody slugging it out basically and since it usually happens mostly in mma...they'll gravitate to that sports events unless there is heavy weight slug fest on the horizon. The sport of boxing suffers minimal loss simply b/c those fans are not the majority of boxing fans global.
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the greatest knew how to slip, slide and ride a punch
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the greatest knew how to slip, slide and ride a punch
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probably some of the greatest shit you will ever see right there. Guy does that to you in the ring....just leave.
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MMA = Anybody can do it
it takes years and years and years to become good on the ground. Anyone without Years and Years of experience on the ground, either from wrestling or bjj would be submitted/dominated Right away from anyone half ass decent.
So ..no. People that have no clue post like that.. Anyone can get up in a boxing ring and throw a punch. Will they do good again someone decent? no. Same goes for mma.
And no you have never seen anyone with bjj black belt skills in the street. But I have seen people box and it looks exactly like what boxers do in the ring!! Sounds legit huh? lol.
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probably some of the greatest shit you will ever see right there. Guy does that to you in the ring....just leave.
Yep. Take your gloves off, walk the fuck out and join an MMA gym.
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simular gif mma style where you have to worry about kicks,knees,elbows,td's
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and here he spars with a boxer
I still dont know why all boxing fans seems so upset all the time. I guess it was after mma crushed the illusion that they were the baddest men on the planet? I dont know
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We know....thats why mma fighters take boxers to the ground THEN beat the fuck out of them.
Glad you agree with me. Should I take this to a true get big level. The guy with some knife skills will beat both. The guy with gun skills will beat the knife guy. LOL. Boxing is brutal sport. Not a comprehensive self defense for the street like MMA is.
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Boxers clinch very often during a match when things get a little too heated. Do that in MMA and you're going downtown - ripe for submissions or some G£.
Comparing an MMA fighter to a boxer? An MMA fighter trains boxing, wrestling, submissions...basically whatever it takes to win a fight whereas a boxer......boxes. Just one aspect of the MMA game.
A boxer will always be a superior striker..with their hands (not elbows/knees) whereas an MMA fighter has to be a jack of all trades and able to handle things wherever the fight goes.
We're comparing apples to oranges here not apples to apples.
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Boxers clinch very often during a match when things get a little too heated. Do that in MMA and you're going downtown - ripe for submissions or some G£.
Comparing an MMA fighter to a boxer? An MMA fighter trains boxing, wrestling, submissions...basically whatever it takes to win a fight whereas a boxer......boxes. Just one aspect of the MMA game.
A boxer will always be a superior striker..with their hands (not elbows/knees) whereas an MMA fighter has to be a jack of all trades and able to handle things wherever the fight goes.
We're comparing apples to oranges here not apples to apples.
Nice for a change, some common sense
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An MMA fighter would own a boxer in an MMA fight.
A boxer would own an MMA fighter in a boxing match.
Not sure why these threads always devolve into this stupid argument.
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An MMA fighter would own a boxer in an MMA fight.
A boxer would own an MMA fighter in a boxing match.
And a MMA fighter would own a boxer in a real fight
Not sure why these threads always devolve into this stupid argument.
I dont know either
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Boxers clinch very often during a match when things get a little too heated.
Or when theyre gassed.
Lets not ignore the fact that boxing requires a supreme level of conditioning compared to mma.
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An MMA fighter would own a boxer in an MMA fight.
A boxer would own an MMA fighter in a boxing match.
Not sure why these threads always devolve into this stupid argument.
Your avatar - SHARK vs Bear
Who wins?
Depends on combatants environment.
Sort of like this MMA vs boxing debate that keeps cropping up every few months :D
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Or when theyre gassed.
Lets not ignore the fact that boxing requires a supreme level of conditioning compared to mma.
Well... yeah
3-5 rounds vs 12 rounds.
A boxer would have to have good cardio or it'll be a short night.
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I like both. Boxing is interesting because of it's limitations - same with wrestling.
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I like both. Boxing is interesting because of it's limitations - same with wrestling.
Yes I think this is why I like boxing more...seems like more of a "sport" with rules and stipulations while MMA is more of a brawl / straight-up fight, which stopped interesting me about the same time I stopped playing Street Fighter games.
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Boxing is the most corrupt sport on the planet..there has been more fixed outcomes in boxing than all other sports combined..throw in the don kings of the world along with the boxers who claim to be the best yet duck other top competition and you have what boxing is today a dead sport...
what are 8,10,15 year olds watching these days?...trust me its not boxing its mma...when all those kids grow up it will be the nail in the boxing coffin and MMA will be 10 times as popular...the only thing keeping boxing going are the old guys that are holding onto yesteryear...when they die off so does the outdated sport off boxing..
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Of course it matters who hits you but we have to compare apples to apples. Meaning the same guy hitting you. BTW, I meant to write that MMA fighter's chin are NOT any weaker or stronger than boxers. They have more targets to protect and more of a chance to leaving the chin open.
How do you compare apples to apples when you are talking about MMA vs Boxing ???
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They have more targets to protect and more of a chance to leaving the chin open.
Are you saying that boxing is easier than MMA because all you have to do in boxing is protect your chin :o
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This is a cool video showing the Highest level of groundgame
And the guy with the curly hair is an olympic wrestler. And he literally Dies within 30 sec.
Sweeping Olympic level wrestler without breaking a sweat.
Ali at his best is to boxing what this dude is to jitzzz. But as always with mma, you have to have some experience to understand what you're watching
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Also a cool video,
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edit* the new positive swede aint even gonna bother with threads like these ;D
spermastase tried a "positive" come back some weeks ago too. It lasted two days and he became his former mentally troubled self again.
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spermastase tried a "positive" come back some weeks ago too. It lasted two days and he became his former mentally troubled self again.
Im staying Alot more positive, my old self would have adressed Alot of the comments in this thread since as always in mma thread most of them are retarded lol, now just a few and just adding a few videos lol
you should try the same =) All your negativity is certainly spilling over into your personal life in one way or another
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I watched boxing for years. Couldn't count the number of times me and the boys stayed up til 3/4am UK time to see a US staged fight.
I've only started watching MMA over the past couple of years, and i started watching just to see knock-outs.
I'm not gonna pretend i'm an MMA expert but i can see more in a fight these days than just two guys brawling. More and more i'm growing to appreciate the skills involved in .
These days i'm far more willing to watch two guys fight it out for 3/5 rounds than two guys paw away at each other for 12. I also find when i watch boxing, i won't watch the whole card, there never tends to be much if any talent on the undercard whereas with for example UFC fight nights, there's a good variety of talent at different weights on view.
Boxing and MMA, apples and oranges like someone already said.
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hell boxers have did worse in mma then almost any other athletes prowrestler have done better and even bodybuidlers/strong man and such have had a few days in the sun. There have been a few nfl palyers to win fights. I cant name one boxer that has done worth a shit lol
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what are 8,10,15 year olds watching these days?...trust me its not boxing its mma...when all those kids grow up it will be the nail in the boxing coffin and MMA will be 10 times as popular...the only thing keeping boxing going are the old guys that are holding onto yesteryear...when they die off so does the outdated sport off boxing..
Nail in boxing's coffin? You're kidding right?
That's good stuff. :D
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genraly speaking boxers pose very little threat in a mma match even less then a athletic football player or prowrestler. I would take john cena in a cage fight over mike tyson in a hearbeat lol or warren sapp. Even brock lesnar and kurt angle have made mention to such things
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I dont know how you can say MMA fighters have the same chins as boxers.
Just look at Oliver Mcall, Erik Morales, Shane Mosley (prime) Antonio Magarito and the list goes on and on. Boxers train to be punched in the face through thousands of rounds of sparring, granted they have better defence but the constant punishment they take in the gym is a strong contributing factor to why they can take a punch so well.
An example:
The infamous incident with Luis Resto boxing Billy Collins Jr without any padding inside the gloves, this is very comparable to a 4oz glove.
Billy Collins took his best punches for 10 rounds without falling or getting knocked out, and people are supposed to tell me that MMA fighters chins (who get knocked out by an uppercut without any leverage via Silva) are even remotely comparable?
aha sure keep dreaming
oh heres a picture of Billy Collins Jr after the fight. Boxers are real fighters, not homos who love to wrestle on the floor.
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. Boxers train to be punched in the face through thousands of rounds of sparring, granted they have better defence but the constant punishment they take in the gym is a strong contributing factor to why they can take a punch so well.
Haha , you sound just as ignorant as Swede and all the MMA nuthuggers.
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it takes years and years and years to become good on the ground. Anyone without Years and Years of experience on the ground, either from wrestling or bjj would be submitted/dominated Right away from anyone half ass decent.
So ..no. People that have no clue post like that.. Anyone can get up in a boxing ring and throw a punch. Will they do good again someone decent? no. Same goes for mma.
And no you have never seen anyone with bjj black belt skills in the street. But I have seen people box and it looks exactly like what boxers do in the ring!! Sounds legit huh? lol.
When I first walked into Rorion's academy in Torrance, CA and watch some of their tapes I didn't get what the big fuss was about. Just two homos rolling around of the ground. When I would watch the same tape years later I would see things that I absolutely missed the first time around. The subtle aspects that I just wasn't sophisticated enough to appreciate at the time.
It was around 2000-2001 that I felt I was at an advance level. That though I wasn't going to beat a world class Jiu-Jitsu champ I was at least going to hang with him. I wasn't going to be his bitch like I use to be. I was going to hold my own. And I started training serious, and I mean it consumed my life and everything revolved around Jiu-Jitsu, in 1991. So you are looking at a good ten years.
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When I first walked into Rorion's academy in Torrance, CA and watch some of their tapes I didn't get what the big fuss was about. Just two homos rolling around of the ground. When I would watch the same tape years later I would see things that I absolutely missed the first time around. The subtle aspects that I just wasn't sophisticated enough to appreciate at the time.
Most people seems to be that ignorant at first, Especially americans, and especially boxing fans. I dont know why. Would be funny to argue with the same type of ignorance boxing fans are using when talking about mma though just for the fun of it , but I dont care that much haha.
But boxing fans seem to care alot more about mma then mma fans does about boxing which is pretty funny to see lol.
Boxers are dragsters and mma fighters are f-1 cars.
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How do you compare apples to apples when you are talking about MMA vs Boxing ???
You were talking about punching power and who was doing the punching and the type of gloves worn.
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Are you saying that boxing is easier than MMA because all you have to do in boxing is protect your chin :o
I'm not sure what you mean by "easier." Easier training? Easier on the body? I am of the opinion that the most brutal "sport" in terms of the toll it takes on your body is professional wrestling. The life style is a killer.
But there is no doubt that in MMA you have to have a much more varied skill set, and that includes boxing. Of course, as with everything in life, there's trade offs because, generally speaking, an MMA fighter is not ever going to be at the level of a boxer in regard to boxing. Just like a boxer will never be at the same level of an MMA figher in grappling.
Boxers have to work their ass off improving their boxing skills. MMA have to spread out their training to encompass other disciplines. But they are both busting their ass. One is just far more specialized.
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Just like a boxer will never be at the same level of an MMA figher in grappling.
or wrestling or kicking or clinching or elbowing, or throwing knees etc ;)
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I disagree ,I've been hit by 4 ,6 ,8 ,10, 12 ,16oz gloves , bare knuckle..etc , it all depend who hits you ,trust me.
C'mon Che, I was obviously talking about the same guy hitting you with different size gloves. That comment was beneath you.
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C'mon Che, I was obviously talking about the same guy hitting you with different size gloves. That comment was beneath you.
Nah the argument was boxing vs MMA (ko ratio ) not the same guy , BTW I fought boxers that punched like girls and MMA guys with pretty heavy hands , IMHO the size of the gloves (between 4oz MMA and say Cleto Reyes 8 oz ) don't make any difference ,
Check this out ,Martinez isn't a heavy handed boxer , big gloves , 2nd round, Williams fresh ""ironchin"" fighter........etc , doesn't matter what size gloves you are wearing, you don't see the punch coming you are going to sleep as simple as that.
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lol and boxers can take a punch? ::) ::)
see, I could play that angle all day long like boxing fans does when talking about mma lol.
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Haha , you sound just as ignorant as Swede and all the MMA nuthuggers.
so you are saying that sparring has no affect whatsoever on ones ability to take a punch?
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lol and boxers can take a punch? ::) ::)
see, I could play that angle all day long like boxing fans does when talking about mma lol.
um yeah, did you see that shot?
That would of knocked out all MMA fighters in his weightclass for sure.
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um yeah, did you see that shot?
That would of knocked out all MMA fighters in his weightclass for sure.
did you not read the post? Or are you a part of the majority of americans that doesn't understand sarcasm/irony?
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did you not read the post? Or are you a part of the majority of americans that doesn't understand sarcasm/irony?
opps, my bad man didnt see that
i am a brit tho
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so you are saying that sparring has no affect whatsoever on ones ability to take a punch?
You get used to been punch in the face (nose,forehead ....) but you can not train your chin that's why we work on defense so much..
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opps, my bad man didnt see that
i am a brit tho
its all good. Americans have a tendency to read and Still not get it lol
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Nah the argument was boxing vs MMA (ko ratio ) not the same guy , BTW I fought boxers that punched like girls and MMA guys with pretty heavy hands , IMHO the size of the gloves (between 4oz MMA and say Cleto Reyes 8 oz ) don't make any difference ,
Check this out ,Martinez isn't a heavy handed boxer , big gloves , 2nd round, Williams fresh ""ironchin"" fighter........etc , doesn't matter what size gloves you are wearing, you don't see the punch coming you are going to sleep as simple as that.
sweet. i'll never forget this brutal ko by julian jackson
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sweet. i'll never forget this brutal ko by julian jackson
Indeed Jackson was a heavy handed mofo.
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Nah the argument was boxing vs MMA (ko ratio ) not the same guy ,
Obviously, if I say it is worse getting hit with a 4oz glove than an 10oz glove, I'm talking about all else being equal. If not, you could argue that getting hit on the chin by Mike Tyson with a 16oz glove is worse than getting hit in the shoulder by an old lady with 4oz gloves. Clearly, you'll get no argument on that. If you honestly think that taking a left hook from Tyson wearing 4oz gloves is no worse than taking the same shot with a 12oz glove, all I can say is that we disagree.
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what a beauuuutiful wedding dress
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If you honestly think that taking a left hook from Tyson wearing 4oz gloves is no worse than taking the same shot with a 12oz glove,
Same consequence.
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Same consequence.
So you honestly think that the glove makes is no difference whatsoever? What if one guy was wearing 60oz gloves, still no difference?
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So you honestly think that the glove makes is no difference whatsoever? What if one guy was wearing 60oz gloves, still no difference?
;D Haha , nah I was talking about between 4oz MMA vs Cleto Reyes 8oz ( no much difference) , between 4oz and 12 -14-16 oz yes you can tell the difference.
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Im staying Alot more positive, my old self would have adressed Alot of the comments in this thread since as always in mma thread most of them are retarded lol, now just a few and just adding a few videos lol
you should try the same =) All your negativity is certainly spilling over into your personal life in one way or another
you re just ignorant . We all have predeterminated states of mind (3 to 4 for most people) and we cruise from one to another depending of the cirumstances in life but they never change. You ll get back to your old self.
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mma was originally for fighters who wanted to prove themselves as fighters. (no money just reputation)
but now its for geeky kids who think they have a chance because they do karate or something with a robe.
boxing was originally for money and a way to eat. thats why you had the best of the best fighting for their life.
now its just for football and basketball rejects. (generally blacks because the whites have been weeded out)
then you have the fighters who took up boxing because thats all there was i.e foreman, liston, tyson and toney
toney is fighting again in mma, not for the money because realistically who wouldnt even be making more than $20k
but because he is a fighter at heart and he wants to fight
put the boxers from the 1900s and up in mma and mma would be rule the world
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the boxers of the 90s arent even the right size to fight what would they be 210lb heavy weights with no wrestling skills. all things being equal most of the 90s heavy weights are small men.
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Epic ASS beating right here...........
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the boxers of the 90s arent even the right size to fight
WTF does that even mean ???
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Most people seems to be that ignorant at first, Especially americans, and especially boxing fans. I dont know why. Would be funny to argue with the same type of ignorance boxing fans are using when talking about mma though just for the fun of it , but I dont care that much haha.
But boxing fans seem to care alot more about mma then mma fans does about boxing which is pretty funny to see lol.
Boxers are dragsters and mma fighters are f-1 cars.
Brutal truth. In MMA I don't ever remember any discussion about how any of us would do against a boxer in the ring. It's almost like wonder how we would stack up in those strong men contest against their guys. We weren't boxers and it just wasn't even an issue that we wouldn't last a round unless we ran away the whole time. Nor do I ever recall who would win all else being equal on the street. We just never thought about boxers in a competitive sense other than we need to learn from them because most MMA fighters come from wrestling/Jiu-Jitsu backgrounds (at least back in those days) and our stand up sucked. I've found without exception that it's always boxers, rather boxing fans, that seem preoccupied with this whole MMA vs Boxing nonsense.
I don't know. Maybe they just feel threatened that it's going to kill the fan base for their sport. I think it's possible to be a fan of both and one isn't going to diminish the other. MMA is growing and it has a wide appeal to the young men but it's not taking these men away from boxing. But I don't think that if MMA never existed that these young men would have turned their attention to boxing instead. There are other reasons, more serious issues, that are hurting boxing as a sport.
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so you are saying that sparring has no affect whatsoever on ones ability to take a punch?
Here's how I look at it. I've been choked unconscious before. For the sake of argument say it takes exactly ten seconds for me to be put out. I remember the first time getting choked out the sense of panic I felt. You go through this "death rattle" before you are out cold. When you get close to be choked out you feel this same sense of panic and want to get out or tap as quickly as possible. As the years go by you get use to it. You don't panic. Often just by being relaxed and not panicking you can manage to escape or have your opponent release because he doesn't think he has it. But this not change the end result that after ten seconds in a legit carotid choke you are going out. I specify carotid choke because it's cutting off blood flow to the brain and not the type of choke that cuts oxygen to your lungs. You can train yourself to hold your breath longer.
So, as by way of comparison, if it takes X amount of foot pounds getting hit on the button to put you out you are not going to be able to change that. You will be far, far more desensitize to being hit than the average schmoe out there where just a tap on the face sends them into a state of panic and confusion, but a knock out punch will still always be a knock out punch. In fact, I would argue that as the years go by your knock out tolerance goes down. Years of getting pounded doesn't necessarily toughen you up but may in fact "soften" you up. Again, pure speculation on my part but you just see it all the time as fighters age. Wanderlie Silva is really not that old. I think he is maybe 2-3 years older than Leben but I've seen him take some lethal shots and still keep coming like a rabid dog. But the guy has been fighting and taken shots forever. He was going through the brutal Vale Tudo ringer long before he got into Pride and UFC and those guys were fighting every month. Same with guys like Nog and Shogun. They are still in their 30s but they just seem war torn. Shogun was in Pride I think at 21 and was already champ at 23. Rogan once commented that you have only so many shots that one can take in a career before you just can't take those shots any more. I know from my experience personally, I cannot take falls like I use to. I completely avoid it now in training. It's not like the years of being dumped on the mat has toughened me up. It's just the opposite. It's like my body is more of a China doll that shatters on impact.
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Here's how I look at it. I've been choked unconscious before. For the sake of argument say it takes exactly ten seconds for me to be put out. I remember the first time getting choked out the sense of panic I felt. You go through this "death rattle" before you are out cold. When you get close to be choked out you feel this same sense of panic and want to get out or tap as quickly as possible. As the years go by you get use to it. You don't panic. Often just by being relaxed and not panicking you can manage to escape or have your opponent release because he doesn't think he has it. But this not change the end result that after ten seconds in a legit carotid choke you are going out. I specify carotid choke because it's cutting off blood flow to the brain and not the type of choke that cuts oxygen to your lungs. You can train yourself to hold your breath longer.
So, as by way of comparison, if it takes X amount of foot pounds getting hit on the button to put you out you are not going to be able to change that. You will be far, far more desensitize to being hit than the average schmoe out there where just a tap on the face sends them into a state of panic and confusion, but a knock out punch will still always be a knock out punch. In fact, I would argue that as the years go by your knock out tolerance goes down. Years of getting pounded doesn't necessarily toughen you up but may in fact "soften" you up. Again, pure speculation on my part but you just see it all the time as fighters age. Wanderlie Silva is really not that old. I think he is maybe 2-3 years older than Leben but I've seen him take some lethal shots and still keep coming like a rabid dog. But the guy has been fighting and taken shots forever. He was going through the brutal Vale Tudo ringer long before he got into Pride and UFC and those guys were fighting every month. Same with guys like Nog and Shogun. They are still in their 30s but they just seem war torn. Shogun was in Pride I think at 21 and was already champ at 23. Rogan once commented that you have only so many shots that one can take in a career before you just can't take those shots any more. I know from my experience personally, I cannot take falls like I use to. I completely avoid it now in training. It's not like the years of being dumped on the mat has toughened me up. It's just the opposite. It's like my body is more of a China doll that shatters on impact.
Wow!! so you are a real "Jiujiteiro" apaga mas nao bate. I'm glad to know that you have the spirit.
And people say that Jones would have a chance against Shogun during his prime... Shogun,Wanderley and Nog their bodies can not take hits anymore...Shogun has tons of injuries.
Age+injuries+surgeries = you are F*cked.
F*ck can you hear the sound of this punch?
For the Shogun haters and Jones lovers... look at Shogun's fight history and tell me.
How many fighters in the list Jones could submit/KO?
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Btw...almost forgot... f*ck boxing.
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For me, and maybe for those how have followed the sport since the early 1990s, it's sad to see. The greats being not so great. Pride back in the day -- it was just something else.
Sucks getting old.
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Nail in boxing's coffin? You're kidding right?
That's good stuff. :D
nice rebuttal...and no im not kidding..will boxing still exist in some capacity?yea...but only as a side show/fringe sport...
Once again boxing is still clinging on only because of the older people that grew up watching boxing...once they pass away what do you think happens?...go ask any one 21 or younger what they watch...MMA will be the overwhelming answer...when those kids and young adults grow up there money and time will be directed at mma...its simple economics...boxing is living off of what it used to be...not what it is....
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I would argue that as the years go by your knock out tolerance goes down. Years of getting pounded doesn't necessarily toughen you up but may in fact "soften" you up.
I think you're on the right track, but missed it by a bit. It isn't getting older that makes you more apt to get knocked out, it's getting knocked out, esp if it's one of those eyes roll up in the head, don't come around for 5 minutes, knock-outs. A very good friend of mine that is a much more accomplished fighter than I ever was told me after he got knocked out really badly once, it seemed like he lost the will to fight it. Every fighter has been rocked and been close to going out, but to some degree you can fight your way back up. After a really bad knock-out, it gets easier to just kind of let it happen. See Chuck Liddell for another good example of this. Chuck was a monster, now it seems like he gets knocked out if a stiff breeze hits his chin.
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WTF does that even mean ???
well evander hoylifield,mike tyson and many others wouldnt even be big enough to be top heavy weights. You cant fight a 240 to 280 lb man at 210-220 and some of the boxers are even short on top of that
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He got clipped behind the ear with that left hook. By instict he went for that clinch. Five years ago he would of recoverd quick from that shot. He's way over the hill.
i wouldn't say that he is over the hill..atleast not in age. its just that he has taken to much abuse over the years... i mean he hasn;t been the same since crocop kicked him in the head really. then dan henderson knocked his head off after that. its been said that once you get knocked out that it could be the point of no return. that it might be easier to be knocked out the next time and so on. i don't know still one of the best IMO
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Btw...almost forgot... f*ck boxing.
HOLY SHIT that's inspirational!!!!
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well evander hoylifield,mike tyson and many others wouldnt even be big enough to be top heavy weights. You cant fight a 240 to 280 lb man at 210-220 and some of the boxers are even short on top of that
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Generation nothingness approved!
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Boxing is DEAD.
FF to 1:30. This was done by Jose Aldo an 145 pound guy.
Now imagine what Crocop/Wanderley or any heavy/light heavyweight could do to a boxer.
Move over boxing there's a new king in town.
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Boxing is DEAD.
Yeah , I agree boxing is dead http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13943609
Now imagine any heavy/light heavyweight could do to a boxer.
Yes, I agree imagine .
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Yeah , I agree boxing is dead http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13943609
Yes, I agree imagine .
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Anderson Silva Pro Boxing Match
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IMHO the size of the gloves (between 4oz MMA and say Cleto Reyes 8 oz ) don't make any difference ,
You were right Che.
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You were right Che.
Too bad they don't mention anything about the amount of area the force is spread over, or how they are testing the amount of force.
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Boxing is the best combat sport period !
Just watch this 3 rounds battle for the WBA lightweight championship belt!
It happened yeasterday in Carson Califiornia !
Rios vs Antillon ( 7-9-2011)
Enjoy! 8)
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Boxing is dead, the GJJ guy is right, but, its not buried. Another Tyson type comes along and the whole world will take notice again. MMA will never be as big globally as the majority of people just dont like it.
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Boxing is dead, the GJJ guy is right, but, its not buried. Another Tyson type comes along and the whole world will take notice again. MMA will never be as big globally as the majority of people just dont like it.
it took about 10 minutes time for MMA to sell out there ufc cards in Australia,Brazil,Canada,England and theirs actually speculation of a card in china...like i said earlier boxing is living off of what it used to be not what it is today...and the young people of the world have already showed they will invest there time and money into mma over boxing...what happens when an entire generation of those kids/young adults who grew up watching mma are running the show...
Sad thing is boxing was my 2nd favorite sport behind american football in the 80-90's...now it's not even in my top 5....
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I think you're on the right track, but missed it by a bit. It isn't getting older that makes you more apt to get knocked out, it's getting knocked out, esp if it's one of those eyes roll up in the head, don't come around for 5 minutes, knock-outs. A very good friend of mine that is a much more accomplished fighter than I ever was told me after he got knocked out really badly once, it seemed like he lost the will to fight it. Every fighter has been rocked and been close to going out, but to some degree you can fight your way back up. After a really bad knock-out, it gets easier to just kind of let it happen. See Chuck Liddell for another good example of this. Chuck was a monster, now it seems like he gets knocked out if a stiff breeze hits his chin.
I'm not going to try to give a technical answer, but the brain becomes bruised from collision with the inside of the skull. This bruising will not heal as effectively over time. This is basically how you achieve a KO: you shake the brain with sufficient force to impact against the skull.
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I'm not going to try to give a technical answer, but the brain becomes bruised from collision with the inside of the skull. This bruising will not heal as effectively over time. This is basically how you achieve a KO: you shake the brain with sufficient force to impact against the skull.
actually i believe that's how you achieve a concussion...and you can suffer a concussion without being knocked out...but regardless i agree with the basic premise of what your saying...
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Id take these 2 idiots straight to the ground and break them,easy
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did anyone watch the paul williams vs erislandy lara (boxing) fight saturaday?..seriosly how many more of these horrible decisions have tom happen before eveyone realizes how corrupt boxing is...as i said earlier...boxing has had more fixed outcomes threw history thatn every other sport combined...and we are still supposed to take this sport seriously?...after the klitscho/haye fight and williams/lara fight all in 7 days time im basically done with boxing...i might still read bout it from time to time but i would never invest a dime of my hard earned money on the sport of boxing...
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Id take these 2 idiots straight to the ground and break them,easy
yeah, whilst you've been spending 5 or so minutes trying to armbar mcclean from guard.. good old lenny has eaten half your face and pulled your knackers off :D
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did anyone watch the paul williams vs erislandy lara (boxing) fight saturaday?..seriosly how many more of these horrible decisions have tom happen before eveyone realizes how corrupt boxing is...as i said earlier...boxing has had more fixed outcomes threw history thatn every other sport combined...and we are still supposed to take this sport seriously?...after the klitscho/haye fight and williams/lara fight all in 7 days time im basically done with boxing...i might still read bout it from time to time but i would never invest a dime of my hard earned money on the sport of boxing...
Aren't all sports fixed in some way or another?
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actually i believe that's how you achieve a concussion...and you can suffer a concussion without being knocked out...but regardless i agree with the basic premise of what your saying...
Not sure of the distinction here. This came up in the Kongo/Barry thread that there are a few things ufc referees look for when calling a KO: eyes roll, limbs go limp, not breaking a fall etc. I don't know the medical definition of a concussion, but isn't a KO, just a mild concussion?