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Title: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 03:39:51 PM
i literally just watched about 10 seconds of this thus far but new i had to post about it. to me its difficult to understand the liberall mind because they are wrong many times over,

at the beginning he says the economy has doubled since 1980 but wages have remained flat. WELL DUHH everytime someone else starts a new buisness they have to start from the bottom to grow to the top, Is this liberall asshole expecting wages to magically go up when a new buisness is started ??? oh brother the logic. these types of liberalls run and hide when you try to debate them seriously,, even an idiot like me can debunk this shit right off the bat


Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Andy Griffin on July 08, 2011, 03:41:58 PM
This dude should muscle up with anabolics.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Nails on July 08, 2011, 03:42:57 PM
he can really draw  :)
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 03:43:17 PM
7,930 likes, 1,544 dislikes

goes to show that this country is full of buisness hating liberalls who hate poeple that are productive and giving jobs

people of the USA really DONT like to have a Job . I feel sorry for those expecting something for nothing. how can you live with that guilt?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: tbombz on July 08, 2011, 03:45:54 PM
thats an economist who graduated from oxford and yale  ;D
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Benny B on July 08, 2011, 03:46:59 PM
7,930 likes, 1,544 dislikes

goes to show that this country is full of buisness hating liberalls who hate poeple that are productive and giving jobs
A post riddled with spelling errors. lol

NOBODY here takes your hillbilly-ass seriously. Go back to smoking meth in your trailer and posting vids about beating mma champions. 
"Johnny Falcon"...hahaha, oh, brother.  ::)

IDIOT
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 03:47:11 PM
thats an economist who graduated from oxford and yale  ;D

being owned by a redneck falcon
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: MP on July 08, 2011, 03:47:49 PM
The Falcon weighing in on politics now. Love it.

And for the record, it really boggles the mind that people buy into this theory that the "rich" are the reason for others doing poorly. In fact, it's the complete opposite! They are the ones who start businesses and create jobs. And, most don't become "rich" over night. They do it through hard work.

Keep spreading truth Falcon.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 03:48:40 PM
A post riddled with spelling errors. lol

NOBODY here takes your hillbilly-ass seriously. Go back to smoking meth in your trailer and posting vids about beating mma champions. 
"Johnny Falcon"...hahaha, oh, brother.  ::)

IDIOT

hahah only true queens use spelling errors to attempt to derail the facts apposed to them
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: tbombz on July 08, 2011, 03:49:31 PM
The Falcon weighing in on politics now. Love it.

And for the record, it really boggles the mind that people buy into this theory that the "rich" are the reason for others doing poorly. In fact, it's the complete opposite! They are the ones who start businesses and create jobs. And, most don't become "rich" over night. They do it through hard work.

Keep spreading truth Falcon.

"the rich create jobs"

no, demand creates jobs

demand comes from consumers




Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 03:50:32 PM
The Falcon weighing in on politics now. Love it.

And for the record, it really boggles the mind that people buy into this theory that the "rich" are the reason for others doing poorly. In fact, it's the complete opposite! They are the ones who start businesses and create jobs. And, most don't become "rich" over night. They do it through hard work.

Keep spreading truth Falcon.

i completley dissagree i HATE big buisness or any buisness not paying ample wages that the worker deserves. I hate the fact that they have jobs for us to do fuck that i wanna chill with some fine ass hoes! I think we need to spread they wealth around!
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 03:52:44 PM
"the rich create jobs"

no, demand creates jobs

demand comes from consumers






hahah thats like me saying or having a DEMAND of "i need 5 gallons of paint for this house" and out of thin air that just created a job?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 03:54:08 PM
fuck man i think its cause you guys really lack brain activity being under 6feet tall. you clowns just dont get it do you. A redneck falcon owning a harvard wigger, who woulda thunk it
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: tbombz on July 08, 2011, 03:59:27 PM
hahah thats like me saying or having a DEMAND of "i need 5 gallons of paint for this house" and out of thin air that just created a job?
ya, exactly. demand for a good or service causes production of that good or service, and that production entails the employment of an individual(s).

if nobody wanted paint anymore, everybody in the paint industry would lose their jobs.


if everybody started wanting pain, a bunch of jobs in the paint industry would open up.


jobs have nothing to do with the rich. the rich only respond to consumer demand. they happen to be the people lucky enough to control the planets resources. and no they didnt earn it, and no they dont have any rights to it.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: MP on July 08, 2011, 03:59:32 PM
So which is it Falcon, liberals are assholes or not? You're kind of all over the map on this topic. "Spreading the wealth"? Can't have a more liberal view than that.

"the rich create jobs"

no, demand creates jobs

demand comes from consumers



Perhaps "successful" would have been a better choice of words on my part.

I think you are part right. True, demand needs to be there for jobs. But, that's not enough.

Someone has to put it all together in a business to successfully serve the demand.

Not everyone is cut out to do that.

Not knocking employees or fair wages at all. Just saying some people are willing to work harder and take risks. Those types are the ones who become business owners.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: tbombz on July 08, 2011, 04:02:03 PM
So which is it Falcon, liberals are assholes or not? You're kind of all over the map on this topic. "Spreading the wealth"? Can't have a more liberal view than that.

Perhaps "successful" would have been a better choice of words on my part.

I think you are part right. True, demand needs to be there for jobs. But, that's not enough.

Someone has to put it all together in a business to successfully serve the demand.

Not everyone is cut out to do that.

Not knocking employees or fair wages at all. Just saying some people are willing to work harder and take risks. Those types are the ones who become business owners.

im 100% right and what you said does not contradict it.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 04:04:14 PM
Johnny Falcon,

You claim to hate Monsanto and wish it to be shut down.  Why do you hate businesses that actually employ large numbers of people, benefit humanity and contribute to important scientific discoveries in the agricultural and biological field?  
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: MP on July 08, 2011, 04:06:17 PM
jobs have nothing to do with the rich. the rich only respond to consumer demand. they happen to be the people lucky enough to control the planets resources. and no they didnt earn it, and no they dont have any rights to it.  

I disagree on this point. Yes, there are some people who are born into money. But, I think the are many more examples of people who took risks, failed, and kept on going to get where they are today. It's easy to quit, rather than work hard. Those are the people who just chalk things up and quit and blame their status in life on the "rich."
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 04:06:57 PM
The richest businessmen in the United States are all liberals. I hope that is some solace to you Johnny Falcon.  ;)
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 04:08:31 PM
ya, exactly. demand for a good or service causes production of that good or service, and that production entails the employment of an individual(s).

if nobody wanted paint anymore, everybody in the paint industry would lose their jobs.


if everybody started wanting pain, a bunch of jobs in the paint industry would open up.


jobs have nothing to do with the rich. the rich only respond to consumer demand. they happen to be the people lucky enough to control the planets resources. and no they didnt earn it, and no they dont have any rights to it.

so who is going to produce the paint? that is the question, no everyday wigger boy can make paint and put it in a can you dumbass its a process only a buisness with capital can achieve


again DEMAND doesnt create a job or product, Buisness does

you say that buisnesses dont have a "right" to the earths rescources and "they didnt earn it?" LOL you are a nutty commi/socialist.  If sherwin williams is making paint they by your definition they do not have a right to resources? 4 the lulz right you idiot?

of course they have everyright to it many of these buisness shed blood sweat and tears to get where they are at today you asshole. who are you to judge if they have a right or not
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 04:09:25 PM
Johnny Falcon,

You claim to hate Monsanto and wish it to be shut down.  Why do you hate businesses that actually employ large numbers of people, benefit humanity and contribute to important scientific discoveries in the agricultural and biological field?  

i dont want it to be shut down, i think that they have a monopoly and that all there genetic food is unhealthy by the studies that claim so
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 04:10:03 PM
So which is it Falcon, liberals are assholes or not? You're kind of all over the map on this topic. "Spreading the wealth"? Can't have a more liberal view than that.

Perhaps "successful" would have been a better choice of words on my part.

I think you are part right. True, demand needs to be there for jobs. But, that's not enough.

Someone has to put it all together in a business to successfully serve the demand.

Not everyone is cut out to do that.

Not knocking employees or fair wages at all. Just saying some people are willing to work harder and take risks. Those types are the ones who become business owners.

dude learn to catch my sarcasm oh brother ::)
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 04:10:20 PM
I disagree on this point. Yes, there are some people who are born into money. But, I think the are many more examples of people who took risks, failed, and kept on going to get where they are today. It's easy to quit, rather than work hard. Those are the people who just chalk things up and quit and say blame their status on the rich.
Wrong.  "Hard work" will usually get you nowhere.  Smart Work will get you ahead.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 04:11:41 PM
The richest businessmen in the United States are all liberals. I hope that is some solace to you Johnny Falcon.  ;)

you cant argue what you dont know about and that is government corruption and what goes on behined closed doors as a liberal lobbyist
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: MP on July 08, 2011, 04:12:54 PM
dude learn to catch my sarcasm oh brother ::)

I'm usually pretty good a following your sarcasm. I love it.

It's your logic, I'm having trouble with. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: makaveli25 on July 08, 2011, 04:13:05 PM
Liberalism is a mental disease.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: MP on July 08, 2011, 04:14:09 PM
Liberalism is a mental disease.

 ;D

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HyhjF7FTgEw/TOQEpHqpFVI/AAAAAAAABcQ/ZJ1Dr8bNGjg/s640/Michael+Savage+2.jpg)
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 04:15:26 PM
so who is going to produce the paint? that is the question, no everyday wigger boy can make paint and put it in a can you dumbass its a process only a buisness with capital can achieve


again DEMAND doesnt create a job or product, Buisness does

you say that buisnesses dont have a "right" to the earths rescources and "they didnt earn it?" LOL you are a nutty commi/socialist.  If sherwin williams is making paint they by your definition they do not have a right to resources? 4 the lulz right you idiot?

of course they have everyright to it many of these buisness shed blood sweat and tears to get where they are at today you asshole. who are you to judge if they have a right or not
Johnny,
In my front parlor I have the original paint that is marbleized  on all of the trim work and it is over 160 years old.  It was mixed locally and made by hand.  If one were to research the formulation, usually milk based paint, you could make it by hand using all sorts of crushed additives for dye.  You would also have paint that would for centuries.  I oughta take a picture of it as I think you can appreciate it.

On a side note, we bought some Valspar Oil for the rear deck a few days ago using a color from James Madison`s mansion, Montpelier.  I have no idea when we can even start because the humidity has been ridiculous.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 04:16:26 PM
Wrong.  "Hard work" will usually get you nowhere.  Smart Work will get you ahead.

this is an obvious individual circumstance not everyone is going to get ahead by being smarter nor will everyone get ahead by working harder. Its horrendous how you sincerely beleive what you say
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 04:19:03 PM
I'm usually pretty good a following your sarcasm. I love it.

It's your logic, I'm having trouble with. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here.

i was immitating a liberal point of view , thats why you couldnt follow the logic  ;D
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 04:20:02 PM
this is an obvious individual circumstance not everyone is going to get ahead by being smarter nor will everyone get ahead by working harder. Its horrendous how you sincerely beleive what you say
Johnny,

I believe you could make a fortune in painting if you knew how to market yourself correctly.  I have told several people this and I actually do believe it to be true.  
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 04:30:39 PM
Johnny,
In my front parlor I have the original paint that is marbleized  on all of the trim work and it is over 160 years old.  It was mixed locally and made by hand.  If one were to research the formulation, usually milk based paint, you could make it by hand using all sorts of crushed additives for dye.  You would also have paint that would for centuries.  I oughta take a picture of it as I think you can appreciate it.

On a side note, we bought some Valspar Oil for the rear deck a few days ago using a color from James Madison`s mansion, Montpelier.  I have no idea when we can even start because the humidity has been ridiculous.

very cool never heard of milk based paint. i see that its a bit more expensive than latex. But still back to the argument one is going to need small buisness atleast to be able to produce milk paint and dyes needed correct.  sure one man could do it but he would need to buy these things at wholesale prices in order to make a profit himself. or actually own the cow and go scavenging for dyes

id be more than happy to see how the paint has held up

i think youll be fine with using oil on exterior it is a bitch to dry though id give it a few days to walk on it. takes a couple weeks of good weather to get good and hard
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: chunkramwell on July 08, 2011, 04:37:21 PM
That's a pretty smart Jew in that video Falcon, I don't know if I trust him though.  His attempt at a beard is probably a mask/filter for his lies.  I painted a deck last week with some water based bullshit from Depot, took four freaking coats.  As long as I can hit it with a pressure washer and it won't flake right?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 04:50:18 PM
That's a pretty smart Jew in that video Falcon, I don't know if I trust him though.  His attempt at a beard is probably a mask/filter for his lies.  I painted a deck last week with some water based bullshit from Depot, took four freaking coats.  As long as I can hit it with a pressure washer and it won't flake right?

please tell me you didnt buy "americas finest" ...

all paints have a potential to flake . you can use oil or latex for exterior porch, id reccomend oil since you dont have to use as many coats as latex. you can use a pressure washer but dont hold it so close that you peel up the paint though, but using a pressure washer is best done to prime and clean the surface then re-stain or re-paint
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 08, 2011, 04:52:17 PM
i literally just watched about 10 seconds of this thus far but new i had to post about it. to me its difficult to understand the liberall mind because they are wrong many times over,

at the beginning he says the economy has doubled since 1980 but wages have remained flat. WELL DUHH everytime someone else starts a new buisness they have to start from the bottom to grow to the top, Is this liberall asshole expecting wages to magically go up when a new buisness is started ??? oh brother the logic. these types of liberalls run and hide when you try to debate them seriously,, even an idiot like me can debunk this shit right off the bat




UPS still hires people at the exact same wage as they did 20 years ago. Yet they make billions in profit :-\
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 08, 2011, 04:55:55 PM
Just to be clear TA, you inherited your home right?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 05:00:07 PM
UPS still hires people at the exact same wage as they did 20 years ago. Yet they make billions in profit :-\

yeah but theyve also opened up 1000's more stores creating 10000's more jobs you asshole  ::)

which in turn made 1000's people rich or very good wages that moved up in the company u...

jackass
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 08, 2011, 05:08:08 PM
yeah but theyve also opened up 1000's more stores creating 10000's more jobs you asshole  ::)

which in turn made 1000's people rich or very good wages that moved up in the company u...

jackass

What are you getting so upset about you creepy schitzophrenic. I simply just pointed out a massive company who's starting wages are the exact same as 20 years ago.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 08, 2011, 05:10:43 PM
http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/22/38336.html

No one wants to stay in the same job for 20 to 30 years anymore you douche mallet.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 08, 2011, 05:17:26 PM
A post riddled with spelling errors. lol

NOBODY here takes your hillbilly-ass seriously. Go back to smoking meth in your trailer and posting vids about beating mma champions. 
"Johnny Falcon"...hahaha, oh, brother.  ::)

IDIOT

His father is obviously a republican business man. Scitzo Johnny is an embarrassment to his family because of the meth use and thats why he was kicked out. However like most children, they end up taking on the same religious/political views of the parents. Its obvious that Johnny is a walking contradiction. Talks about banging hoes and doing drugs but somehow wants people to believe he is some kind of conservative. He's a walking piece of shit is all he really is. America exists today because of free thinking progressives.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 05:18:01 PM
then whats your point Snoman? what are you trying to convey? do you want higher wages and your employer to make less?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 08, 2011, 05:23:32 PM
then whats your point Snoman? what are you trying to convey? do you want higher wages and your employer to make less?

Look at Starbucks starting wage and then look at Dunkin Donuts starting wage. Two very successful companies who's philosophy on wage and benefits differ dramatically. If you want to own a business and hire people but can't pay a living wage, then you shouldn't own a fucking business plain and simple.  Come up with another way to live your life. The country doesn't need anymore slum business owners.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: chunkramwell on July 08, 2011, 05:31:46 PM
please tell me you didnt buy "americas finest" ...

all paints have a potential to flake . you can use oil or latex for exterior porch, id reccomend oil since you dont have to use as many coats as latex. you can use a pressure washer but dont hold it so close that you peel up the paint though, but using a pressure washer is best done to prime and clean the surface then re-stain or re-paint

It was Behr paint, I won't use it again.  I'm familiar with that stuff from helping paint a friends tanning salon last year.  Home Depot is a no go for my paint needs in the future.  It's a shame because it's convenient.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 05:32:08 PM
Johnny,

Do you have any experience with Wood Consolidant and Epoxy?  
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 05:34:47 PM
It was Behr paint, I won't use it again.  I'm familiar with that stuff from helping paint a friends tanning salon last year.  Home Depot is a no go for my paint needs in the future.  It's a shame because it's convenient.

Monticello Yellow by Ralph Lauren is epic.  

http://www.ralphlaurenhome.com/products/paint/Monticello.aspx
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 08, 2011, 05:36:17 PM
Just to be clear TA, you inherited your home right?
.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Roger Bacon on July 08, 2011, 05:36:50 PM
"the rich create jobs"

no, demand creates jobs

demand comes from consumers

OK, We'll go ahead and have the wealthy step out of the equation for a few weeks and see how quickly you're begging them to come back...  ::)
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: chunkramwell on July 08, 2011, 05:39:59 PM
Monticello Yellow by Ralph Lauren is epic.  

http://www.ralphlaurenhome.com/products/paint/Monticello.aspx

Beautiful color, wonder how it applies though.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Mr. Magoo on July 08, 2011, 05:40:19 PM
OK, We'll go ahead and have the wealthy step out of the equation for a few weeks and see how quickly you're begging them to come back...  ::)

Democracies should not bow down to the wealthy. It is a dangerous infringement on the democratic ideal.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 08, 2011, 05:41:25 PM
Democracies should not bow down to the wealthy. It is a dangerous infringement on the democratic ideal.

Do you work for a company?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Mr. Magoo on July 08, 2011, 05:55:15 PM
Do you work for a company?

There is a difference between working for and bowing down to a company. Look at the impact of big business in our country. It is appalling. A factory can decide to leave town and ruin that towns economy more than any elected representative could ever dream of doing. And when a factory decides to move into an area, the government gives incentives by lowering/eliminating taxes, restricting regulation, giving them straight money, etc. Not even to go into the whole campaign finance issue where politicians only appeal to what businesses want instead of what the common citizen wants. The list goes on, and I think it is a shame that most republicans that I know keep repeating "we have to do what they want or they will leave us".
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 08, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
There is a difference between working for and bowing down to a company. Look at the impact of big business in our country. It is appalling. A factory can decide to leave town and ruin that towns economy more than any elected representative could ever dream of doing. And when a factory decides to move into an area, the government gives incentives by lowering/eliminating taxes, restricting regulation, giving them straight money, etc. Not even to go into the whole campaign finance issue where politicians only appeal to what businesses want instead of what the common citizen wants. The list goes on, and I think it is a shame that most republicans that I know keep repeating "we have to do what they want or they will leave us".

Point is the CEO/President of that company is more than likely a wealthy person....if he were not, you would not be working. Understand? I guaranty if the shoe were on the other foot and you were the wealthy one, this conversation wouldn't exist.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 06:00:18 PM
.
Nope, Jezebelle and I bought it ourselves.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 08, 2011, 06:04:11 PM
Nope, Jezebelle and I bought it ourselves.

Mmm, funny, you said you inherited it. Or did you inherit the money to buy it?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: ManBearPig... on July 08, 2011, 06:07:40 PM
Look at Starbucks starting wage and then look at Dunkin Donuts starting wage. Two very successful companies who's philosophy on wage and benefits differ dramatically. If you want to own a business and hire people but can't pay a living wage, then you shouldn't own a fucking business plain and simple.  Come up with another way to live your life. The country doesn't need anymore slum business owners.

Ever hear of Wal-Mart?
Don't talk out of your ass.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Mr. Magoo on July 08, 2011, 06:08:34 PM
Point is the CEO/President of that company is more than likely a wealthy person....if he were not, you would not be working. Understand? I guaranty if the shoe were on the other foot and you were the wealthy one, this conversation wouldn't exist.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying if I was a CEO then I wouldn't want my taxes to increase? I think it might be likely, but it is not certain. But even so, I don't see how that is relevant.

And Yes the CEO of a company is more likely to be wealthy, but I don't see how that has any impact on the claim that democracies should not bow down to businesses because it undermines the democratic ideal. I'm not trying to be a dick here, I just don't understand your point.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: ManBearPig... on July 08, 2011, 06:15:17 PM
There is a difference between working for and bowing down to a company. Look at the impact of big business in our country. It is appalling. A factory can decide to leave town and ruin that towns economy more than any elected representative could ever dream of doing. And when a factory decides to move into an area, the government gives incentives by lowering/eliminating taxes, restricting regulation, giving them straight money, etc. Not even to go into the whole campaign finance issue where politicians only appeal to what businesses want instead of what the common citizen wants. The list goes on, and I think it is a shame that most republicans that I know keep repeating "we have to do what they want or they will leave us".

a factory doesn't "decide" to leave a town; the whole purpose of a factory is to churn a profit.  in the case of factories leaving, say as in detroit, it was more of an issue of high union waged workers putting out a subpar product no one wanted to buy.  you can't pay someone $50/hr to make something no one wants to buy, even with all the "government" incentives in the world; and there were plenty.  look at chrysler, i think they're on bailout #4.

which company , off the top of your head, would be a good representation of its workers "bowing down to it?"

in the case of politicians bowing down to "businesses"...here's why.  if they bow down to a business, say that very gm plant in detroit that hires most of the city, then gm would have an incentive to stay in that location and keep people employed and "happy".  if they bow down to the "people", say force companies to pay for the employees healthcare, the companies would move out because they couldn't afford the new premiums, and then the "people" would call "businesses" assholes, as opposed to themselves who ran the businesses out with their bullshit practices.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Mr. Magoo on July 08, 2011, 06:24:50 PM
a factory doesn't "decide" to leave a town; the whole purpose of a factory is to churn a profit.  in the case of factories leaving, say as in detroit, it was more of an issue of high union waged workers putting out a subpar product no one wanted to buy.  you can't pay someone $50/hr to make something no one wants to buy, even with all the "government" incentives in the world; and there were plenty.  look at chrysler, i think they're on bailout #4.

which company , off the top of your head, would be a good representation of its workers "bowing down to it?"

in the case of politicians bowing down to "businesses"...here's why.  if they bow down to a business, say that very gm plant in detroit that hires most of the city, then gm would have an incentive to stay in that location and keep people employed and "happy".  if they bow down to the "people", say force companies to pay for the employees healthcare, the companies would move out because they couldn't afford the new premiums, and then the "people" would call "businesses" assholes, as opposed to themselves who ran the businesses out with their bullshit practices.

I come from a town that has it's 4 major employers decide to leave. 4 factories shut down. This is a small town, mind you. So now the entire town is a ghost town of empty buildings. Crime is up, etc. About 10 minutes away is another town, same thing. About 20 minutes away is another town, same way. I have seen elected representatives give incentives to prospective business by bypassing safety and water regulation, giving them enormous tax breaks, etc. Then the city furnishes water pipes to the building, builds it, etc, then the company moves after a while leaving another empty building and the town further in debt with no jobs. This is not how a democracy should work. I know why they throw lavish dinners for the owners of these businesses, etc, but my point is that it should not be that way. I disagree with the 2nd part of your post, I think it is a false dilemma. There needs to be a change at a higher level than just "bowing down to workers" to protect jobs and workers. Even increasing regulation or job safety a little does not mean that they will all flee to mexico. And to address the specific problem about companies being forced to provide healthcare, isn't that one of the major arguments for government healthcare? Because it takes the burden off of business?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: lowkey9 on July 08, 2011, 06:31:54 PM
The richest businessmen in the United States are all liberals. I hope that is some solace to you Johnny Falcon.  ;)

There's no point in posting this, he can't distinguish the difference between liberal economic policies and liberal social policies.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 08, 2011, 06:43:23 PM
Ever hear of Wal-Mart?
Don't talk out of your ass.


Walmarts average full time rate is almost $11 a hour($20 to 30 grand a year)with benefits. Sure it sucks. But its considered a living wage. Johnny wants to run a company straight out of the tent he's sleeps at in the woods and hire people at min.wage or under. I'm saying the country doesn't need guys who huff paint and sleep in the woods every night to be business owners. That doesn't help the country and its not progression. He belongs in a straight jacket not at the head seat of a board room.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 08, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
Not true TA, but regardless, fact is most rich liberals inherited wealth as with most conservative that earned wealth.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: chunkramwell on July 08, 2011, 07:30:53 PM
I pay mexicans ten bucks an hour when I need some extra help.  I would pay local fellas double that but I've not found any that can hack.  Anyway, becoming wealthy is a matter of extraordinary opportunity and being born right.  If it was hard work and determination alone some of my Mexicans would be running fucking ADM and Haliburton.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 08, 2011, 07:33:07 PM
Horseshit
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 08, 2011, 07:41:56 PM
I pay mexicans ten bucks an hour when I need some extra help.  I would pay local fellas double that but I've not found any that can hack.  Anyway, becoming wealthy is a matter of extraordinary opportunity and being born right.  If it was hard work and determination alone some of my Mexicans would be running fucking ADM and Haliburton.


And sometimes its just who you know
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 07:43:28 PM

And sometimes its just who you know
Exactly.  Most of the time, the "hardest working" are the ones being ordered around by the smartest owner.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Doug_Steele on July 08, 2011, 07:45:37 PM
I pay mexicans ten bucks an hour when I need some extra help.  I would pay local fellas double that but I've not found any that can hack.  Anyway, becoming wealthy is a matter of extraordinary opportunity and being born right.  If it was hard work and determination alone some of my Mexicans would be running fucking ADM and Haliburton.

This guy gets it.  8)
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: MP on July 08, 2011, 07:46:06 PM
I pay mexicans ten bucks an hour when I need some extra help.  I would pay local fellas double that but I've not found any that can hack.  Anyway, becoming wealthy is a matter of extraordinary opportunity and being born right.  If it was hard work and determination alone some of my Mexicans would be running fucking ADM and Haliburton.

Yeah, but there's a difference between hard grunt work ... and hard work using your brain.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: chunkramwell on July 08, 2011, 07:50:03 PM
Yeah, but there's a difference between hard grunt work ... and hard work using your brain.


My point is that if they were born into better circumstances, imagine how much more they would achieve.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 08, 2011, 07:53:03 PM
Either way, the opportunity there.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 08:34:14 PM
Johnny,

Do you have any experience with Wood Consolidant and Epoxy?  

you can use Durhams rock hard wood putty. you can even blend in some saw dust to match even better with the putty mixture. there are all types of epoxy's and polyeurtanes for counter tops. some polyeurathanes are very expensive but they actually claim you can get 50 coats with one coat. ive used it on restoring countertops it makes for an indestructable finish its like a marine grade polyeurathane the kind you might see on tables at decent reseteraunts with a super glossy but THICK clear finish. the durham rock hard wood putty is the best thing i know of to use, you just have to be creative with masking/blending it with the wood,
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 08:38:23 PM
Walmarts average full time rate is almost $11 a hour($20 to 30 grand a year)with benefits. Sure it sucks. But its considered a living wage. Johnny wants to run a company straight out of the tent he's sleeps at in the woods and hire people at min.wage or under. I'm saying the country doesn't need guys who huff paint and sleep in the woods every night to be business owners. That doesn't help the country and its not progression. He belongs in a straight jacket not at the head seat of a board room.

i would pay people 8-10 dollars an hour no more no less id expect a decent work pace. i dont see anything wrong with this, this is in the zero tax range. i dont make a whole lot either my work rate is closer to 15 dollars an hour but i do better job and have more knowledge on how to do a good job
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 08:41:57 PM
i expect my workers to invest in mopeds. No one really needs a car. the key is living close to a grocery store. i would actually pick up 3 lame workers a day and get things done fast if theyd cut my damn taxes some
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 08, 2011, 08:42:20 PM
i would pay people 8-10 dollars an hour no more no less id expect a decent work pace. i dont see anything wrong with this, this is in the zero tax range. i dont make a whole lot either my work rate is closer to 15 dollars an hour but i do better job and have more knowledge on how to do a good job
What do you think of the people holding up signs for money at the stop lights Johnny should they be banned?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: tbombz on July 08, 2011, 08:44:08 PM
I disagree on this point. Yes, there are some people who are born into money. But, I think the are many more examples of people who took risks, failed, and kept on going to get where they are today. It's easy to quit, rather than work hard. Those are the people who just chalk things up and quit and blame their status in life on the "rich."

oh i agree, the majority of wealthy people earned their wealth. read the book "millionaire mind". they all are hard working individuals who put their nose to the cement and took risks nobody else would. but those are not the wealthy people we are talking about. were talking about the mega rich. the billionaires. those people didnt earn it. its inhereted.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
What do you think of the people holding up signs for money at the stop lights Johnny should they be banned?

im guilty of giving those guys some money now and then but really they should be doing something else and enjoying life more
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 08:47:39 PM
oh i agree, the majority of wealthy people earned their wealth. read the book "millionaire mind". they all are hard working individuals who put their nose to the cement and took risks nobody else would. but those are not the wealthy people we are talking about. were talking about the mega rich. the billionaires. those people didnt earn it. its inhereted.

do unto others as you want done unto you

so with this ideaology your middle class inheritance should be spread upon the poorest?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: tbombz on July 08, 2011, 08:50:25 PM
do unto others as you want done unto you

so with this ideaology your middle class inheritance should be spread upon the poorest?

inheritance. thats a hard one. i think the 50% rule is pretty good tho.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 08, 2011, 09:02:27 PM
inheritance. thats a hard one. i think the 50% rule is pretty good tho.

Why? When is money within a family a right to anyone else?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 08, 2011, 09:07:01 PM
inheritance. thats a hard one. i think the 50% rule is pretty good tho.

why?that money has already been taxed before when your parents earned, its a double tax ting dong. some beauracrat just pockets the money its pure theft/laundering
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 10:27:12 PM
i would pay people 8-10 dollars an hour no more no less id expect a decent work pace. i dont see anything wrong with this, this is in the zero tax range. i dont make a whole lot either my work rate is closer to 15 dollars an hour but i do better job and have more knowledge on how to do a good job
I may get you to come over to paint one day.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 08, 2011, 10:29:47 PM
Why? When is money within a family a right to anyone else?
I personally believe in a Socialist Tax System where there are ZERO TAXES on income, Just a National Sales Tax that is equal for everyone, rich and poor and where food and medicine and essentials for life ARE NOT TAXED.  That is too Socialist of course for most people because they are not smart enough to grasp how much more fair and efficient it would be.

0 Percent on Inheritance tax also.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Coach is Back! on July 08, 2011, 10:35:40 PM
I personally believe in a Socialist Tax System where there are ZERO TAXES on income, Just a National Sales Tax that is equal for everyone, rich and poor and where food and medicine and essentials for life ARE NOT TAXED.  That is too Socialist of course for most people because they are not smart enough to grasp how much more fair and efficient it would be.

0 Percent on Inheritance tax also.

LOL....k.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 09, 2011, 12:06:29 AM
LOL....k.
Too Socialist for "The Coach"?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: tbombz on July 09, 2011, 12:27:40 AM
Why? When is money within a family a right to anyone else?

0 Percent on Inheritance tax also.

allow 1% of the population to continue owning 40% of the planets resources?

the top 10% owning 85%?

surely the vast majority of the planets resources should be fully controlled by the government if we wish to be even remotely efficient with it. 

Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: The True Adonis on July 09, 2011, 12:36:58 AM
allow 1% of the population to continue owning 40% of the planets resources?

the top 10% owning 85%?

surely the vast majority of the planets resources should be fully controlled by the government if we wish to be even remotely efficient with it. 


What are you referring to when you say the planet`s resources?
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: tbombz on July 09, 2011, 12:42:45 AM
What are you referring to when you say the planet`s resources?

all the raw material, all the buying power, all the power.
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: 20inch calves on July 09, 2011, 02:00:19 AM
7,930 likes, 1,544 dislikes

goes to show that this country is full of buisness hating liberalls who hate poeple that are productive and giving jobs

people of the USA really DONT like to have a Job . I feel sorry for those expecting something for nothing. how can you live with that guilt?


that is the way people are today. we have become lazy. most are happy living off the system. can't see it changing either. welfare recipients are having children that grow up that expect to be on welfare
Title: Re: LoL a great Liberal view of the economy. Benny and Adonis will love
Post by: Marty Champions on July 09, 2011, 05:43:44 AM
I personally believe in a Socialist Tax System where there are ZERO TAXES on income, Just a National Sales Tax that is equal for everyone, rich and poor and where food and medicine and essentials for life ARE NOT TAXED.  That is too Socialist of course for most people because they are not smart enough to grasp how much more fair and efficient it would be.

0 Percent on Inheritance tax also.

thats very republican of you. Herman Cain is proposing a flat tax wich is similar. but your plan would be even more perfect


seems like we dont dissagree much? im not sure where we do dissagree??but earlier in the thread you seemed like you were low on carbs but now youve come back around  ;D