Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: CalvinH on July 11, 2011, 06:10:01 AM
-
Sorry to interupt the usual sausage fest of oiled up men in thongs.....
Derek Jeter is the first Yankee to get 3,000 hits.
and what a way to do it!
5 for 5 with a home run for his 3,000
his last hit turned out to be the game winner.
-
Welcome Saturday flashback :)))
-
Welcome Saturday flashback :)))
True dat.
.....but no one lse posted it...guess Kai glute,ham tie in is more important :-\
-
and i was there seriousely 40 ft away from where no.3000 hr ball landed.
-
Jeter obviously deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but he's still way overrated (like Cal Ripken was.)
-
Jeter obviously deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but he's still way overrated (like Cal Ripken was.)
Are you serious? ???
-
Jeter obviously deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but he's still way overrated (like Cal Ripken was.)
Overrated in what sense?
-
Overrated in what sense?
Overrated in a sense he's a .300 + lifetime hitter, CLUTCH as they come, and has 7 rings......overrated like that ::) ::)
-
Are you serious? ???
if Jeter played his career in Kansas City or San Diego, he wouldn't be half the legend he is in Yankee pinstripes. (Jeter's been one of the worst defensive shortstops in the game for a few years now ... don't let the recent gold gloves fool ya ... hence he's "overrated.")
a lot of the mystique of Cal Ripken was the legendary streak and many agree that he hurt his team by stubbornly playing every day (even when hurt) at such a demanding position. also if you break down Ripken's offensive numbers, he didn't get on base a heck of a lot and (other than a couple of big years) wasn't a real clutch hitter.
both Hall of Fame worthy tho.
-
if Jeter played his career in Kansas City or San Diego, he wouldn't be half the legend he is in Yankee pinstripes. (Jeter's been one of the worst defensive shortstops in the game for a few years now ... don't let the recent gold gloves fool ya ... hence he's "overrated.")
a lot of the mystique of Cal Ripken was the legendary streak and many agree that he hurt his team by stubbornly playing every day (even when hurt) at such a demanding position. also if you break down Ripken's offensive numbers, he didn't get on base a heck of a lot and (other than a couple of big years) wasn't a real clutch hitter.
both Hall of Fame worthy tho.
Jeter's lack of range and the inability to move to his left does not diminish his career productivity as a shortstop. Being a Yankee, of course, gives him a brighter stage to shine on, and more exposure in the playoffs, but he would still be HoF worthy had he played his career in KC. Look at his '99 for example - a .989 OPS. Shortstops just don't do that.
His career stats will take a dip because he's in his regression years - which is something that a (most likely) clean player will do when he hits his later 30s.
Either way, saying Jeter's overrated has become so common, he's now underrated.
-
if Jeter played his career in Kansas City or San Diego, he wouldn't be half the legend he is in Yankee pinstripes. (Jeter's been one of the worst defensive shortstops in the game for a few years now ... don't let the recent gold gloves fool ya ... hence he's "overrated.")
a lot of the mystique of Cal Ripken was the legendary streak and many agree that he hurt his team by stubbornly playing every day (even when hurt) at such a demanding position. also if you break down Ripken's offensive numbers, he didn't get on base a heck of a lot and (other than a couple of big years) wasn't a real clutch hitter.
both Hall of Fame worthy tho.
So, Hall of Famers are overrated? ??? You do not get into the hall of fame just sitting on your ass.
-
if Jeter played his career in Kansas City or San Diego, he wouldn't be half the legend he is in Yankee pinstripes. (Jeter's been one of the worst defensive shortstops in the game for a few years now ... don't let the recent gold gloves fool ya ... hence he's "overrated.")
a lot of the mystique of Cal Ripken was the legendary streak and many agree that he hurt his team by stubbornly playing every day (even when hurt) at such a demanding position. also if you break down Ripken's offensive numbers, he didn't get on base a heck of a lot and (other than a couple of big years) wasn't a real clutch hitter.
both Hall of Fame worthy tho.
Jeter has seven championships you idiot,and absolutely shines in the post season. He's clutch when it COUNTS.
To compare him and Cal Ripken (O rings) is a joke.
Yes, he has lost some range.....he's been playing for 16 years, what the fuck do you expect.
Jordan wasn't Jordan either at the end of his time......was he "overrated' ? ::)
-
Jeter obviously deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but he's still way overrated (like Cal Ripken was.)
Retarded sports post of the day right here.
-
Retarded sports post of the day right here.
He must be a OSU fan. >:(
-
Jeter has seven championships you idiot,and absolutely shines in the post season. He's clutch when it COUNTS.
To compare him and Cal Ripken (O rings) is a joke.
Yes, he has lost some range.....he's been playing for 16 years, what the fuck do you expect.
Jordan wasn't Jordan either at the end of his time......was he "overrated' ? ::)
actually, the orioles won a world series with ripken.
if a player wins a gold glove and the entire baseball community laughs their asses off because that player is probably the worst defensively at his position in the league, then how can that player not be overrated right now? (doesn't diminish his past accomplishments or hall of fame career.)
-
I dislike the Yankees with all that is holy, but this is very cool. Imagine even making the bigs as a shortstop. That's nigh impossible. Now, imagine being as good again as Jeter is as at short, and then add in his batting stats. And let's not forget his high non-asshole rating. Congrats.
-
I dislike the Yankees with all that is holy, but this is very cool. Imagine even making the bigs as a shortstop. That's nigh impossible. Now, imagine being as good again as Jeter is as at short, and then add in his batting stats. And let's not forget his high non-asshole rating. Congrats.
Even more unbelievable was that, growing up in Michigan, his career choice in school at age 10 or something was "shortstop for the NY Yankees".
I always wondered how they knew to give him #2, the last single digit to not be retired in NY. Early reports were that he was so skinny, they said two numbers wouldn't fit.
-
actually, the orioles won a world series with ripken.
if a player wins a gold glove and the entire baseball community laughs their asses off because that player is probably the worst defensively at his position in the league, then how can that player not be overrated right now? (doesn't diminish his past accomplishments or hall of fame career.)
Oh....so now its "right now" ;)
-
I don't know how you can say Ripken is overrated? I think he might be overhyped because of his streak, but in terms of on field play, I'd have him top 50 all time. Also, Ripken paved the way for Jeter, Nomar, Arod etc....
-
I don't know how you can say Ripken is overrated? I think he might be overhyped because of his streak, but in terms of on field play, I'd have him top 50 all time. Also, Ripken paved the way for Jeter, Nomar, Arod etc....
I'm not a baseball nerd anymore (like I kinda was as a kid), just a casual fan now (tho still a Blue Jays' season ticket holder - but i only attend a fraction of the games), so others can present the case better than I can. For example, if you google "cal ripken overrated" you'll see many make the case that Cal Ripken was one of the most overrated players in baseball history. There's even a facebook page devoted to it haha. Here's one such article, entitled "Cal Ripken Jr.: The most overrated baseball player of all-time" . . .
As of 2008, Cal Ripken, Jr. is regarded as an idol in Baltimore and is considered to be arguably the greatest shortstop who ever lived. He is revered for his amazing streak of playing in 2,632 consecutive games. He was a role model for children everywhere, demonstrating the importance of just going out there every day and doing his job. Along the way, Ripken made 19 All-Star teams, won a "Rookie of the Year" award and two league MVP award, hit over 400 home runs and collected over 3,000 hits, won two Gold Gloves, eight Silver Slugger awards, and led the Orioles to the World Championship in 1983. And I have the nerve to call him overrated. I do!
It’s funny how the All-Star voting works. Once a guy has established himself as one of the premier players in the league at his position, he can hit .220 with six home runs at the break and still make the team. And that’s exactly how it worked for Ripken. Oh sure, he deserved probably eight or so of those All-Star appearances. But not 19.
Ripken came up to the Orioles in 1981 and won the "Rookie of the Year" award in 1982, his first full season, an award he undoubtedly deserved for his .264 average, 28 homers, and good defense at shortstop. By his second full season, Ripken hit .318 with 27 home runs and 102 RBI, and won the "American League MVP" award. He led the Orioles to the World Series championship, batting a solid .273 in the playoffs. But after that, his career pretty much went downhill. He had a couple of more good years, hitting .304 with 27 HR in 1984, .282 with 26 HR and 110 RBI in 1985, and .282 with 25 HR in 1986. But by the late 1980s, he became a .260 hitter with 21 homers who simply played every day.
Oh sure, he still had his moments. He won the MVP in 1991 and hit .340 in 1999, at the age of 39. But for the most part he was just a disappointment year-after-year who continued to play every single game.
He gained national recognition for the streak and for his incredible durability as to have done it while playing a very demanding defensive position. There’s no denying that it is one of baseball’s most impressive individual achievements, to be able to withstand any injuries for such an extended period of time. Looking at Ripken’s numbers though, maybe the O’s would have been better off sitting Ripken for stretches of time.
Ripken batted .276 for his career, as opposed to the league’s .264 mark, and reached base 34 percent of the time, only a small improvement from the league’s 33.2 percent. In other words, he reached base at about the same rate as the average ballplayer. In addition, he had no speed and holds the major league record for most times grounded into a double play (350).
And his numbers in themselves are deceiving. He hit over 400 home runs but only hit 30 once. He only batted .300 three times and never had an on-base percentage over .380. For his career, his OPS, a statistic that measures a player’s on-base percentage plus slugging percentage when adjusted to the league average and the ballpark, was just 12 percent better than the league average. In comparison, guys like Corey Koskie, Raul Mondesi, and Pat Burrell are ahead of Ripken on the all-time list.
If you take all the members of the 3000-hit club, Ripken has the lowest career batting average and on-base percentage. He and Eddie Murray are the only guys who hit 400 home runs without ever hitting 35 or more in a season, but Murray hit 30 or more in a season five times. Ripken did it once. Ripken collected 200 hits in a season just once. He scored 100 runs three times in his first four seasons, but then never again.
Simply put, Ripken wasn’t the hitter his numbers reflect. He padded his numbers by playing for years after he had stopped helping his team, but because he was such a charitable man who was such a positive role model for children, no one mentions it.
Ripken is often ranked in the top 40 baseball players of all-time, which would put him in the top seventh of all Hall of Famers. He finished first among shortstops in All-Century voting, even passing the greatest shortstop of all-time, Honus Wagner.
I’m not saying I don’t like Ripken. I do. It's popular to like Ripken and to put him on the all-time teams. He's a great guy and was a wonderful teammate. And I think he should be in the Hall of Fame. But that doesn’t mean I can’t say he’s still overrated.
-
Jeter has seven championships you idiot,and absolutely shines in the post season. He's clutch when it COUNTS.
To compare him and Cal Ripken (O rings) is a joke.
Yes, he has lost some range.....he's been playing for 16 years, what the fuck do you expect.
Jordan wasn't Jordan either at the end of his time......was he "overrated' ? ::)
jeter has 5 championships...just sayin...
-
Who gives a shit about his 3000 hits....I got over 3400 posts on getbig.......!