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Sounds like an overreaction. Maybe I've grown tone deaf, but are kids really that bad in restaurants?
Restaurant Bans Kids, Wins Fans
By KRIS MAHER
The owner of a small restaurant outside Pittsburgh is banning children under the age of 6, saying they regularly disrupted other customers' meals.
The move has touched a nerve and led to television and radio interviews from as far away as New Zealand and Australia for Mike Vuick, owner of McDain's Restaurant and Golf Center in Monroeville, Pa.
It has also sparked strong opinions among those who applaud his decision and those against it. Mr. Vuick said he had received 2,000 emails, running 11-to-1 in favor of his decision.
"I'm doing this on behalf of all the kind, refined people who have emailed me who have had meals ruined," said Mr. Vuick, a former high-school sociology and psychology teacher. "I've decided someone in our society had to dig their heels in on this issue."
One regular patron, Stephanie Kelley, said she was upset her 13-month-old son, Jamison, would no longer be welcome as of Saturday, the day the ban takes effect. She said she emailed Mr. Vuick to suggest he ban kids after a certain hour or partition off a kids-only area, but he said he wouldn't budge. "All children do not have meltdowns, and I don't feel I should have to suffer the repercussions," she said.
Ms. Kelley, who said she has dined at the restaurant weekly for the past three years, was set to bring 20 relatives, including cousins from North Carolina, there on Saturday. Now they plan to have a picnic at her home in Level Green, Pa., and she doesn't plan to eat there again.
She may be the exception. On Tuesday night, receipts at the 60-seat restaurant, which is attached to a golf-training facility with a driving range and putting greens, were up 20%. A couple from Cleveland made a reservation for this coming weekend to show their support.
Mr. Vuick's story spread after he emailed regular customers about the ban last week, and a customer phoned a local TV station.
A poll on the website of a Pittsburgh TV news channel found 64% supported the under-six ban, compared with 26% who said it was a bad idea. About 10% said they didn't care. More than 10,000 people voted.
Industry officials don't expect a stampede of similar bans. "Most restaurants embrace families and appreciate the business they bring in the door," said Patrick Conway, president and chief executive of the Pennsylvania Restaurant Association, which has 7,000 member restaurants. "I'm sure this policy makes sense for his restaurant."
On Wednesday, the National Restaurant Association, a separate organization, launched a "Kids Live Well" program to offer healthier menu options to children, with 15,000 restaurants participating.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304223804576444393604792386.html
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Is that even like..legal?
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Is that even like..legal?
I guess we'll find out . . . .
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It can't really be age discrimination. I don't think the kids 6 and under are emotionally effected by this.
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No shirts
No shoes
No service; and that includes the little brats, too.
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Sounds like an overreaction. Maybe I've grown tone deaf, but are kids really that bad in restaurants?
Restaurant Bans Kids, Wins Fans
By KRIS MAHER
The owner of a small restaurant outside Pittsburgh is banning children under the age of 6, saying they regularly disrupted other customers' meals.
The move has touched a nerve and led to television and radio interviews from as far away as New Zealand and Australia for Mike Vuick, owner of McDain's Restaurant and Golf Center in Monroeville, Pa.
It has also sparked strong opinions among those who applaud his decision and those against it. Mr. Vuick said he had received 2,000 emails, running 11-to-1 in favor of his decision.
"I'm doing this on behalf of all the kind, refined people who have emailed me who have had meals ruined," said Mr. Vuick, a former high-school sociology and psychology teacher. "I've decided someone in our society had to dig their heels in on this issue."
One regular patron, Stephanie Kelley, said she was upset her 13-month-old son, Jamison, would no longer be welcome as of Saturday, the day the ban takes effect. She said she emailed Mr. Vuick to suggest he ban kids after a certain hour or partition off a kids-only area, but he said he wouldn't budge. "All children do not have meltdowns, and I don't feel I should have to suffer the repercussions," she said.
Ms. Kelley, who said she has dined at the restaurant weekly for the past three years, was set to bring 20 relatives, including cousins from North Carolina, there on Saturday. Now they plan to have a picnic at her home in Level Green, Pa., and she doesn't plan to eat there again.
She may be the exception. On Tuesday night, receipts at the 60-seat restaurant, which is attached to a golf-training facility with a driving range and putting greens, were up 20%. A couple from Cleveland made a reservation for this coming weekend to show their support.
Mr. Vuick's story spread after he emailed regular customers about the ban last week, and a customer phoned a local TV station.
A poll on the website of a Pittsburgh TV news channel found 64% supported the under-six ban, compared with 26% who said it was a bad idea. About 10% said they didn't care. More than 10,000 people voted.
Industry officials don't expect a stampede of similar bans. "Most restaurants embrace families and appreciate the business they bring in the door," said Patrick Conway, president and chief executive of the Pennsylvania Restaurant Association, which has 7,000 member restaurants. "I'm sure this policy makes sense for his restaurant."
On Wednesday, the National Restaurant Association, a separate organization, launched a "Kids Live Well" program to offer healthier menu options to children, with 15,000 restaurants participating.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304223804576444393604792386.html
I would go for the tone deaf option. I have seen children wreaking havoc in restaurants and bothering customers as well, rather directly. Seems like a good move.
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No shirts
No shoes
No service; and that includes the little brats, too.
No dogs
No Jews
No Mexicans
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|______ Sadly, that's actually how it used to be in the US.
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I would go for the tone deaf option. I have seen children wrecking havoc in restaurants and bothering customers as well, rather directly. Seems like a good move.
With the way parents allow children to behave in public these days, I too like this move.
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With the way parents allow children to behave in public these days, I too like this move.
The parents find it amusing when the kids run about harrassing people; only the people don't find it amusing.
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What's the deal with not renting cars to people under 25.
I can understand, but it doesn't seem legal? ???
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I'd eat there... but I think the age should be 10 and under...but this is a start
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I'd eat there... but I think the age should be 10 and under...but this is a start
good post
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I don't think its right, but a place should be able to ask the people to leave if their kids are disruptive.
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This guy should own an airline company too/
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This guy should own an airline company too/
Yeah, you shitbag Saudi's are real good at wanting to exclude people from shit. Is your spouse "allowed" to drive yet?
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just raise the prices so much that it's not worth it to feed a 2 year old there.
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just raise the prices so much that it's not worth it to feed a 2 year old there.
Except 2 yr olds likely don't eat much, or little suzy is on the bottle but throwing a fit.... nice thinking, but it just won't have the impact the age ban will have
I also move that nightclubs ban men and women OVER the age of 50... it's just sad at that point and ruins it for everyone else. ;)
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This guy should own an airline company too/
lol
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This guy should own an airline company too/
I'd fly that !
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I would go for the tone deaf option. I have seen children wrecking havoc in restaurants and bothering customers as well, rather directly. Seems like a good move.
I haven't really seen that much. I've seen/heard crying kids, but not kids wreaking havoc.
But yeah, I probably tune some of that stuff out.
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This guy should own an airline company too/
lol
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the kids are not to blame. It's the parents fault. I agree with the ban. I hate when you have kids that may be at a booth right behind you jumping up and down, poking their head over on your booth, crying and screaming, that shit sucks. My wife got a soda spilled on her from one of these little bastards. So then we thought if we go anywhere then we will sit in the bar area. Doesn't work. These inconsiderate "parents" want to have a few drinks I guess so they pile in a big family with screaming kids into the bar taking up 5 tables put together. If it was my place I would definitely tell them to get the fuck out. In fact I would raise the ban to 12. There is a great place by me where you have to be 21 to enter. Great food, drinks, and it is a goldmine.
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I live in a country where people adore kids.
I come from a country where people treat kids like a social disease.
Where I live - if you walk into a restaurant with a 2 year old kid, chances are a waitress will whisk the kid away for some or all of the duration of your stay.
Where I used to live, if you walk into a restaurant with a child, you hear people complaining the moment you walk in the door.
A lot of the people complaining will have their own kids one day and be taking their 'brats' to a restaurant. How the tables will turn that day.
Fact is - there are a lot of miserable girls in the future third world countries of the US and the UK and there are other 'less developed' countries with pro-kid cultures where you can enjoy a cheap meal in good company where children are understood.
Makes you wonder if the way children are treated like herpes in the UK & the US is part of the reason for the steady demise of those places.
My child - in a restaurant - for you viewing pleasure:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/IMG_0244-1.jpg)
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I live in a country where people adore kids.
I come from a country where people treat kids like a social disease.
Where I live - if you walk into a restaurant with a 2 year old kid, chances are a waitress will whisk the kid away for some or all of the duration of your stay.
Where I used to live, if you walk into a restaurant with a child, you hear people complaining the moment you walk in the door.
A lot of the people complaining will have their own kids one day and be taking their 'brats' to a restaurant. How the tables will turn that day.
Fact is - there are a lot of miserable girls in the future third world countries of the US and the UK and there are other 'less developed' countries with pro-kid cultures where you can enjoy a cheap meal in good company where children are understood.
Makes you wonder if the way children are treated like herpes in the UK & the US is part of the reason for the steady demise of those places.
My child - in a restaurant - for you viewing pleasure:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/IMG_0244-1.jpg)
That is one adorable kid. :)
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I live in a country where people adore kids.
I come from a country where people treat kids like a social disease.
Where I live - if you walk into a restaurant with a 2 year old kid, chances are a waitress will whisk the kid away for some or all of the duration of your stay.
Where I used to live, if you walk into a restaurant with a child, you hear people complaining the moment you walk in the door.
A lot of the people complaining will have their own kids one day and be taking their 'brats' to a restaurant. How the tables will turn that day.
Fact is - there are a lot of miserable girls in the future third world countries of the US and the UK and there are other 'less developed' countries with pro-kid cultures where you can enjoy a cheap meal in good company where children are understood.
Makes you wonder if the way children are treated like herpes in the UK & the US is part of the reason for the steady demise of those places.
My child - in a restaurant - for you viewing pleasure:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/IMG_0244-1.jpg)
Universal adoration for children is illogical, it only makes sense for parents to adore their children. Why would horribly behaved children of other people be amusing to customers enjoying a meal and a coffee?
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The thing that we REALLY TRULY NEED.... is an airline that bans not just kids, but all talking on a plane. Seriously.
If I have to listen to any more random fuckass strangers talk to each other about their stupid fucking kids while I'm trying to get some sleep on a 4.5 hour flight to LA.... I swear....
The only talking allowed on an airplane should be giving the stewardess your order. Nothing more.
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I live in a country where people adore kids.
I come from a country where people treat kids like a social disease.
Where I live - if you walk into a restaurant with a 2 year old kid, chances are a waitress will whisk the kid away for some or all of the duration of your stay.
Where I used to live, if you walk into a restaurant with a child, you hear people complaining the moment you walk in the door.
A lot of the people complaining will have their own kids one day and be taking their 'brats' to a restaurant. How the tables will turn that day.
Fact is - there are a lot of miserable girls in the future third world countries of the US and the UK and there are other 'less developed' countries with pro-kid cultures where you can enjoy a cheap meal in good company where children are understood.
Makes you wonder if the way children are treated like herpes in the UK & the US is part of the reason for the steady demise of those places.
My child - in a restaurant - for you viewing pleasure:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/IMG_0244-1.jpg)
I'm more interested in your hardwood flooring, and the bar stools.
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I live in a country where people adore kids.
I come from a country where people treat kids like a social disease.
Where I live - if you walk into a restaurant with a 2 year old kid, chances are a waitress will whisk the kid away for some or all of the duration of your stay.
Where I used to live, if you walk into a restaurant with a child, you hear people complaining the moment you walk in the door.
A lot of the people complaining will have their own kids one day and be taking their 'brats' to a restaurant. How the tables will turn that day.
Fact is - there are a lot of miserable girls in the future third world countries of the US and the UK and there are other 'less developed' countries with pro-kid cultures where you can enjoy a cheap meal in good company where children are understood.
Makes you wonder if the way children are treated like herpes in the UK & the US is part of the reason for the steady demise of those places.
My child - in a restaurant - for you viewing pleasure:
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/tb9pdvs/IMG_0244-1.jpg)
When my child was young we could take him into a place and know he would behave. Why? Because when he first started throwing tantrums in public he learned it wasn't a safe place from a spanking. Didn't take but a couple test trials for him to confirm it. After that, no issues. We didn't have to find a sitter, he learned his boundaries, and was a pleasure to be around..It helps when parents are sensitive to other people around them.
I don't "adore" your child if she is throwing food, crying for her sippy cup, and chances are, no one else around you does...
but your baby is a cutie :)
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I travel a lot I will put up around 30k this year. I hate crying babies. but as far anything else, ear bud style head phones work great as ear plugs.
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When my child was young we could take him into a place and know he would behave. Why? Because when he first started throwing tantrums in public he learned it wasn't a safe place from a spanking. Didn't take but a couple test trials for him to confirm it. After that, no issues. We didn't have to find a sitter, he learned his boundaries, and was a pleasure to be around..It helps when parents are sensitive to other people around them.
I don't "adore" your child if she is throwing food, crying for her sippy cup, and chances are, no one else around you does...
but your baby is a cutie :)
Word. My oldest did the Curly shuffle one time in public. I dealt with it swiftly. Never happened again. :)
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I travel a lot I will put up around 30k this year. I hate crying babies. but as far anything else, ear bud style head phones work great as ear plugs.
Yeah. Same here. Music and movies drown out most anything.
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When my child was young we could take him into a place and know he would behave. Why? Because when he first started throwing tantrums in public he learned it wasn't a safe place from a spanking. Didn't take but a couple test trials for him to confirm it. After that, no issues. We didn't have to find a sitter, he learned his boundaries, and was a pleasure to be around..It helps when parents are sensitive to other people around them.
I don't "adore" your child if she is throwing food, crying for her sippy cup, and chances are, no one else around you does...
but your baby is a cutie :)
Parenting 101...bust that ass. I wish more were like you. I applaud your parenting style.
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The parents find it amusing when the kids run about harrassing people; only the people don't find it amusing.
It's called lack of parenting. Many parents today don't teach their children manners or "going out behavior"...and many parents either don't care or don't have manners themselves...I was at a sushi restaurant one time and a middle aged man was wearing a hat in there...he knew better, but hen again, his son told his own mother to shut up.
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When my child was young we could take him into a place and know he would behave. Why? Because when he first started throwing tantrums in public he learned it wasn't a safe place from a spanking. Didn't take but a couple test trials for him to confirm it. After that, no issues. We didn't have to find a sitter, he learned his boundaries, and was a pleasure to be around..It helps when parents are sensitive to other people around them.
I don't "adore" your child if she is throwing food, crying for her sippy cup, and chances are, no one else around you does...
but your baby is a cutie :)
Amen, my mom gave that look---and she used to have a saying, "If you ar going show off, I am going show off too...and I am a tough act to follow."
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When my child was young we could take him into a place and know he would behave. Why? Because when he first started throwing tantrums in public he learned it wasn't a safe place from a spanking. Didn't take but a couple test trials for him to confirm it. After that, no issues. We didn't have to find a sitter, he learned his boundaries, and was a pleasure to be around..It helps when parents are sensitive to other people around them.
I don't "adore" your child if she is throwing food, crying for her sippy cup, and chances are, no one else around you does...
but your baby is a cutie :)
Indeed...
Here's the issue - some kids are assholes. Some adults are too. I'm all for them being thrown our when they act up - babies AND adults.
My eldest is 9 - he's been eating out since he was 0. He's been associating with adults since he was 0. He's mature and polite.According to most adults we meet, he's a pleasant person to talk to. This is because we haven't had him hidden away from adults or adult activities such as eating out. He speaks to people as equals, he knows no other way. On the other hand, he knows full well what a spanked ass feels like.
Fortunately, I live in a country where you can spank your children. In the UK, where I am from, it is illegal to hit your own children. Children there are little wankers because they know there is no punishment.
I was caned on 3 separate occasions at school. I recall 'fondly' one occasion where my father picked me up by the throat, pinned me to the wall and said "do you want to work all your life in a factory like I did?". He had a point, he scared the life out of me, it was a turning point. Nowadays, he could go to jail for dishing out the same tough live.
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Indeed...
Here's the issue - some kids are assholes. Some adults are too. I'm all for them being thrown our when they act up - babies AND adults.
My eldest is 9 - he's been eating out since he was 0. He's been associating with adults since he was 0. He's mature and polite.According to most adults we meet, he's a pleasant person to talk to. This is because we haven't had him hidden away from adults or adult activities such as eating out. He speaks to people as equals, he knows no other way. On the other hand, he knows full well what a spanked ass feels like.
Fortunately, I live in a country where you can spank your children. In the UK, where I am from, it is illegal to hit your own children. Children there are little wankers because they know there is no punishment.
I was caned on 3 separate occasions at school. I recall 'fondly' one occasion where my father picked me up by the throat, pinned me to the wall and said "do you want to work all your life in a factory like I did?". He had a point, he scared the life out of me, it was a turning point. Nowadays, he could go to jail for dishing out the same tough live.
I can assure you that lack of caning and hitting is not the reason why some children misbehave in the UK.
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Indeed...
Here's the issue - some kids are assholes. Some adults are too. I'm all for them being thrown our when they act up - babies AND adults.
My eldest is 9 - he's been eating out since he was 0. He's been associating with adults since he was 0. He's mature and polite.According to most adults we meet, he's a pleasant person to talk to. This is because we haven't had him hidden away from adults or adult activities such as eating out. He speaks to people as equals, he knows no other way. On the other hand, he knows full well what a spanked ass feels like.
Fortunately, I live in a country where you can spank your children. In the UK, where I am from, it is illegal to hit your own children. Children there are little wankers because they know there is no punishment.
I was caned on 3 separate occasions at school. I recall 'fondly' one occasion where my father picked me up by the throat, pinned me to the wall and said "do you want to work all your life in a factory like I did?". He had a point, he scared the life out of me, it was a turning point. Nowadays, he could go to jail for dishing out the same tough live.
Good for you.
We are becoming a nation of sissies. I remember growing up how my teachers, the vp, and the principal all used corporal punishment (which paled in comparison to the punishment I'd get at home if I misbehaved). Now you have parents going to jail for spanking their kids. :-\
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I can assure you that lack of caning and hitting is not the reason why some children misbehave in the UK.
Are you saying that their gums hurt maybe? I have seen some messed up teeth from people in European countries.
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Are you saying that their gums hurt maybe? I have seen some messed up teeth from people in European countries.
No, just that many modern studies show that children learn better and behave better without the threat of violence.
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No, just that many modern studies show that children learn better and behave better without the threat of violence.
Modern studies said eating fats caused obesity at one time. I'm just saying that when the threat of the paddle at school existed, there was a more controlled atmosphere... could be coincidence.
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No, just that many modern studies show that children learn better and behave better without the threat of violence.
you reward go behavior and ou punish bad behavior---it can be progressive punishment...children will always test boundaries---especially with authority. One of a parents duties is to help guide a child in what is appropriate behavior when going out in public. If there are established guidelines beforehand, and they know that certain reprocussions will occur if bad beahvior is exhibited...then many times the child will not act up...yet, when they do (testing the parents authority), and they act up, and they are are "embarassed", they then realize that such behavior will NOT be tolerated.
today's modern "societies" aide in the degrading of the parent's authority, and aide in the bad beahvior of children---in such a degree that it is now the norm.
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you reward go behavior and ou punish bad behavior---it can be progressive punishment...children will always test boundaries---especially with authority. One of a parents duties is to help guide a child in what is appropriate behavior when going out in public. If there are established guidelines beforehand, and they know that certain reprocussions will occur if bad beahvior is exhibited...then many times the child will not act up...yet, when they do (testing the parents authority), and they act up, and they are are "embarassed", they then realize that such behavior will NOT be tolerated.
today's modern "societies" aide in the degrading of the parent's authority, and aide in the bad beahvior of children---in such a degree that it is now the norm.
Of course there are ways to punish children but but if I had a child and it were misbehaving in a restaurant I would immediately take it home, no meal and no fun, confined to the room. Then they know that they are not going to be able to act that way and still get what they want. You don't need to beat children in order to show them boundaries. I father used to whack me with a belt (when he was drunk), sometimes with the buckle. All it created was hatred and resentment.
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Pedro, what a doll she is, look at that cute face. Bless her and your family.
I agree, it's how they are raised. Parents that allow that, I bet those kids run rampant at home. They're probably the type of parents that will cook their kids 5 different meals till they eat one (not my cup of tea of parenting but to each it's own).
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Of course there are ways to punish children but but if I had a child and it were misbehaving in a restaurant I would immediately take it home, no meal and no fun, confined to the room. Then they know that they are not going to be able to act that way and still get what they want. You don't need to beat children in order to show them boundaries. I father used to whack me with a belt (when he was drunk), sometimes with the buckle. All it created was hatred and resentment.
Whatever works for you. I picked a couple swats on the butt verses forgoing my meal and fun and got great results. If you got great results immediatly leaving the place without eating, taking him home and putting him in his room, cool.
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Of course there are ways to punish children but but if I had a child and it were misbehaving in a restaurant I would immediately take it home, no meal and no fun, confined to the room. Then they know that they are not going to be able to act that way and still get what they want. You don't need to beat children in order to show them boundaries. I father used to whack me with a belt (when he was drunk), sometimes with the buckle. All it created was hatred and resentment.
A father whacking you with a belt when he was drunk, sometimes with the buckle is not equivelant to a sober parent, metting out controlled spankings to a child when the child knew the consequences prior to the discipline. FYI