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Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal
By Sam Youngman and Alicia M. Cohn - 07/15/11 11:54 AM ET
President Obama on Friday kept up the pressure on Republicans to agree to revenue increases in a deal to raise the debt ceiling, claiming 80 percent of the public supports Democrats' demand for tax increases.
"The American people are sold," Obama said. "The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically."
Throughout the press conference, Obama blasted Republicans for ignoring what he said is the will of the American people by rejecting tax increases that would balance out spending cuts in a debt package.
"This is not an issue of salesmanship to the American people," Obama said.
"I hope [Republicans are] not just listening to lobbyists and special interests ... I hope they're listening to the American people as well," Obama said, citing "poll after poll" showing Republican voters, as well as Democrats, believe in taking "a balanced approach" — including both increased revenues and spending cuts in a plan to cut the deficit.
Obama repeated his warning that the country is "running out of time" to avert a financial “Armageddon.”
"We should not even be this close on a deadline," Obama said. "This is something we should have accomplished earlier."
Obama said he is still pushing for a “big” deal to raise the debt ceiling by the Aug. 2 deadline despite the hardening of positions on Capitol Hill.
"I always have hope," Obama said. "Don't you remember my campaign?"
The president signaled he is opposed to the “Cut, Cap and Balance” proposal that House Republicans coalesced around Friday morning, and he challenged the GOP to "be ambitious" in proposing a package to cut the deficit.
"If they show me a serious plan, I'm ready to move, even if it requires some tough sacrifices on my part," Obama said.
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More from The Hill on the debt talks:
•Boehner: 'Too many people' in the room
•Republican leaders embrace 'Cut, Cap and Balance' plan
•S&P sees a 50 percent chance of downgrade for US credit rating
•The prickly relationship between Obama, Cantor
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Republicans in the House rallied Friday behind an effort to cut spending, cap spending in future years and pass a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution.
“We asked the president to lead, we asked him to put forward a plan, not a speech — a real plan — and he hasn’t. We will,” Speaker John Boehner said (R-Ohio) before Obama’s press conference.
The plan would authorize a $2.4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling after Congress passes a balanced-budget amendment.
The president said he had not studied the new Republican proposal, but said it “doesn't sound like a serious plan to me."
Obama also shot down the GOP calls for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, saying "we don't need a constitutional amendment to do our jobs."
As he has done since last week, the president challenged Republicans to pursue the biggest plan possible, seizing an "opportunity to stabilize American's finances" for the next 10, 15 or 20 years.
Noting the acknowledgment by Republican leaders that the debt ceiling has to be raised, Obama said that they should not stop at the "routine" decision to increase the government's borrowing authority.
"I'm glad the congressional leaders want to raise the debt ceiling, but I think the American people expect more," Obama said.
The president has repeatedly called for the negotiators to put politics aside even as the negotiations have increasingly been framed through the lens of the 2012 election.
Obama said he was hopeful that the leaders would step back from trying to please their base constituencies and move on the debt ceiling, reducing the deficit and other economic agenda items.
"You know… whatever Sen. McConnell says about me on the floor of the Senate is not going to be impediment to us getting a deal done," Obama said. "You know, the question is going to be whether at any given moment we're willing to set politics aside at least briefly in order to get something done.
He continued: "Surely we can come up with a compromise to solve those problems. So there will be huge differences between now and November 2012 between the parties. And whoever the Republican nominee is, you know, we're going to have a big, serious debate about what we believe is the right way to guide America forward and to win the future. And I'm confident that I will win that debate.”
"And I think increasingly the American people are going to say to themselves, you know what? If a party or a politician is constantly taking the position, my way or the highway, constantly being locked into, you know, ideologically rigid positions, that you know, we're going to remember at the polls," Obama said.
Obama didn't rule out the fall-back plan proposed by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) that would give the president the power to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a national default.
"It is constructive to say that if Washington operates as usual and can't get anything done, let's at least avert Armageddon," he said. However, Obama said he wanted to address the deeper debt issues.
"I have not seen a credible plan ... that would allow you to get to $2.4 trillion [in savings] without really hurting ordinary folks," he said.
The president said voters are paying attention to "who seems to be trying to get something done” in the high-stakes negotiations over raising the debt ceiling.
“It's going to be in the interests of everybody who wants to serve in this town to make sure they are on the right side of that impression,” he said.
This story was updated at 12:50 p.m.
Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/171743-obama-public-sold-on-tax-increases-in-debt-ceiling-deal
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DONT BLAME ME TEAM DILDO - YOU MORONS VOTED FOR THIS.
LMFAO
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Who cares, rich are getting richer either way. Corporations and banks own this country NOT it's people.
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Who cares, rich are getting richer either way. Corporations and banks own this country NOT it's people.
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Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal
By Sam Youngman and Alicia M. Cohn - 07/15/11 11:54 AM ET
President Obama on Friday kept up the pressure on Republicans to agree to revenue increases in a deal to raise the debt ceiling, claiming 80 percent of the public supports Democrats' demand for tax increases.
"The American people are sold," Obama said. "The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically."
Throughout the press conference, Obama blasted Republicans for ignoring what he said is the will of the American people by rejecting tax increases that would balance out spending cuts in a debt package.
"This is not an issue of salesmanship to the American people," Obama said.
"I hope [Republicans are] not just listening to lobbyists and special interests ... I hope they're listening to the American people as well," Obama said, citing "poll after poll" showing Republican voters, as well as Democrats, believe in taking "a balanced approach" — including both increased revenues and spending cuts in a plan to cut the deficit.
Obama repeated his warning that the country is "running out of time" to avert a financial “Armageddon.”
"We should not even be this close on a deadline," Obama said. "This is something we should have accomplished earlier."
Obama said he is still pushing for a “big” deal to raise the debt ceiling by the Aug. 2 deadline despite the hardening of positions on Capitol Hill.
"I always have hope," Obama said. "Don't you remember my campaign?"
The president signaled he is opposed to the “Cut, Cap and Balance” proposal that House Republicans coalesced around Friday morning, and he challenged the GOP to "be ambitious" in proposing a package to cut the deficit.
"If they show me a serious plan, I'm ready to move, even if it requires some tough sacrifices on my part," Obama said.
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More from The Hill on the debt talks:
•Boehner: 'Too many people' in the room
•Republican leaders embrace 'Cut, Cap and Balance' plan
•S&P sees a 50 percent chance of downgrade for US credit rating
•The prickly relationship between Obama, Cantor
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Republicans in the House rallied Friday behind an effort to cut spending, cap spending in future years and pass a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution.
“We asked the president to lead, we asked him to put forward a plan, not a speech — a real plan — and he hasn’t. We will,” Speaker John Boehner said (R-Ohio) before Obama’s press conference.
The plan would authorize a $2.4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling after Congress passes a balanced-budget amendment.
The president said he had not studied the new Republican proposal, but said it “doesn't sound like a serious plan to me."
Obama also shot down the GOP calls for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, saying "we don't need a constitutional amendment to do our jobs."
As he has done since last week, the president challenged Republicans to pursue the biggest plan possible, seizing an "opportunity to stabilize American's finances" for the next 10, 15 or 20 years.
Noting the acknowledgment by Republican leaders that the debt ceiling has to be raised, Obama said that they should not stop at the "routine" decision to increase the government's borrowing authority.
"I'm glad the congressional leaders want to raise the debt ceiling, but I think the American people expect more," Obama said.
The president has repeatedly called for the negotiators to put politics aside even as the negotiations have increasingly been framed through the lens of the 2012 election.
Obama said he was hopeful that the leaders would step back from trying to please their base constituencies and move on the debt ceiling, reducing the deficit and other economic agenda items.
"You know… whatever Sen. McConnell says about me on the floor of the Senate is not going to be impediment to us getting a deal done," Obama said. "You know, the question is going to be whether at any given moment we're willing to set politics aside at least briefly in order to get something done.
He continued: "Surely we can come up with a compromise to solve those problems. So there will be huge differences between now and November 2012 between the parties. And whoever the Republican nominee is, you know, we're going to have a big, serious debate about what we believe is the right way to guide America forward and to win the future. And I'm confident that I will win that debate.”
"And I think increasingly the American people are going to say to themselves, you know what? If a party or a politician is constantly taking the position, my way or the highway, constantly being locked into, you know, ideologically rigid positions, that you know, we're going to remember at the polls," Obama said.
Obama didn't rule out the fall-back plan proposed by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) that would give the president the power to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a national default.
"It is constructive to say that if Washington operates as usual and can't get anything done, let's at least avert Armageddon," he said. However, Obama said he wanted to address the deeper debt issues.
"I have not seen a credible plan ... that would allow you to get to $2.4 trillion [in savings] without really hurting ordinary folks," he said.
The president said voters are paying attention to "who seems to be trying to get something done” in the high-stakes negotiations over raising the debt ceiling.
“It's going to be in the interests of everybody who wants to serve in this town to make sure they are on the right side of that impression,” he said.
This story was updated at 12:50 p.m.
Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/171743-obama-public-sold-on-tax-increases-in-debt-ceiling-deal
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DONT BLAME ME TEAM DILDO - YOU MORONS VOTED FOR THIS.
LMFAO
no one is blaming you so shut up and enjoy the tax break that Obama gave to you
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It's a fact, the rich get richer and UE stays high.
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Yeah, so what do you suggest?
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Yeah, so what do you suggest?
Seems that lower taxes so companies make more money exactly doesn't work does it? Because even if they get rich, they don't necessarily employ more. Did GE employ more people with their 5 billion no tax profit?
Lots of things needs to change. LOTS.
EPA
out sourcing
law suits
and much much more.
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Who cares, rich are getting richer either way. Corporations and banks own this country NOT it's people.
And whats wrong with that?
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And whats wrong with that?
Its been 3 years now, still no nuclear explosion in the US. :D (just kidding with ya ;))
Everything is wrong with that (Corporations and banks own this country NOT it's people.) across the board from repubs to democrats. We need to take our country back.
BTW, nothing wrong with the rich getting richer. It's how our government is too much influenced by banks and corporations.
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Its been 3 years now, still no nuclear explosion in the US. :D (just kidding with ya ;))
Everything is wrong with that (Corporations and banks own this country NOT it's people.) across the board from repubs to democrats. We need to take our country back.
BTW, nothing wrong with the rich getting richer. It's how our government is too much influenced by banks and corporations.
I'd agree as long as the rising tide lifted all boats
if the rich are getting richer while the standard of living for the majority of the population stagnates or regresses then I'd say we have a problem
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Good clip. Too bad it will be long lost on those seeking endless spending by the govt. on every bullshit program.
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simple solution
raise taxes, cut all the loopholes, end the wars and we'll have our house in order in 10 to 15 years
Shit - Paul Ryans budget takes about 40 years (going from memory here) and requires the debt ceiling to be raised repeatedly.
We can do it much faster while benefiting 95% of our population at the same time
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simple solution
raise taxes, cut all the loopholes, end the wars and we'll have our house in order in 10 to 15 years
Shit - Paul Ryans budget takes about 40 years (going from memory here) and requires the debt ceiling to be raised repeatedly.
We can do it much faster while benefiting 95% of our population at the same time
What exactly is Obama's plan?
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Anyone else tired of "the American people deserve better" speech from Obama? He acts like he's the mouthpiece for the people, meanwhile the polls say the complete opposite of what he's telling us. It's going to be hilarious if Geithner and Obama have to choose which cuts to make to get our budget under control. The people are for not raising the debt ceiling, I don't know if Obama actually knows this or not?
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What exactly is Obama's plan?
Spend as much as you can, and then blame the other side when they take your checkbook away. Boehner can change the coarse of history if he has the stones to do it.
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Spend as much as you can, and then blame the other side when they take your checkbook away. Boehner can change the coarse of history if he has the stones to do it.
that sounds like the Republican plan from the last 30 years
the only part you forgot is that tax cuts pay for themself
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Obama needs to be treated like a junkie in detox.
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oh yeah - deficits don't matter
Republican's taught us that too
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Obama needs to be treated like a junkie in detox.
Like a drunk at closing.
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oh yeah - deficits don't matter
Republican's taught us that too
You're living in a time when RINO's ran the show. Different animal now. Finger pointing doesn't give you a free pass to keep spending, regardless of party.
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According to straw - gop debt bad - demo debt is fine.
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that sounds like the Republican plan from the last 30 years
the only part you forgot is that tax cuts pay for themself
Actually they did.
The only problem was that during the Bush years and the Reagan years was that the politicians (of both parties who voted for the budget and the Pres. who signed it) passed gigantic spending bills that far outstripped the very solid revenue gains.
Honest question: Has there every been a budget in the last 20-40 years that was smaller than the previous years budget?
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Posted on July 15, 2011 9:04:53 PM EDT by Kaslin
Budget: Four of five Americans are "sold" on higher taxes to solve the deficit impasse, according to President Obama. Either he's deceiving himself or he completely misunderstands how the public really feels.
The president on Thursday cited a recent Gallup poll that purportedly shows, in his words, "80% want higher taxes" as part of a deal to slash the deficit. "The American people are sold," he said. "The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically."
In fact, a quick look at the polling data referenced by the president shows this isn't true. Not even close.
Gallup itself breaks it out: Those who say they want the deficit reduced "only/mostly with spending cuts" total 50% of those polled. Those who say they'd like it done "only/mostly with tax increases" total 11%. That's not 80%.
Americans aren't fools. Democrats just think they are. Whether its a $4 trillion "grand bargain" or a smaller $2.4 trillion cut in the expected $10 trillion in deficits over the next decade, if tax hikes are part of the deal it will sink the economy. Tax hikes are a nonstarter.
Americans see the explosion of $1 trillion-plus deficits stretching for decades to come, $107 trillion in unpaid bills for entitlements and a failed two-year Keynesian experiment that has pushed up federal spending by 25%. They know taxes didn't do this — spending did.
That's why Republicans should ignore Obama's demand for tax hikes. In our own IBD/TIPP Poll, 60% of Americans said they'd be "less likely" to vote for someone who supports increasing the debt ceiling without "major spending cuts." Heck, 58% said they either "somewhat" or "strongly" oppose raising the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling at all.
(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...
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This is one of the dumbest things this man has said since he has been in office.
I like how he says "increased revenues" instead of "raising taxes." ::) What he should be saying is "class warfare."
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Gallup itself breaks it out: Those who say they want the deficit reduced "only/mostly with spending cuts" total 50% of those polled. Those who say they'd like it done "only/mostly with tax increases" total 11%. That's not 80%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148472/Deficit-Americans-Prefer-Spending-Cuts-Open-Tax-Hikes.aspx
My GOD. I tremble at thinking how stupid our president is. That moron makes Bush look like Einstein.
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He is getting desperate.
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Obama: Public is 'sold' on tax increases in a debt-ceiling deal
By Sam Youngman and Alicia M. Cohn - 07/15/11 11:54 AM ET
President Obama on Friday kept up the pressure on Republicans to agree to revenue increases in a deal to raise the debt ceiling, claiming 80 percent of the public supports Democrats' demand for tax increases.
"The American people are sold," Obama said. "The problem is members of Congress are dug in ideologically."
Throughout the press conference, Obama blasted Republicans for ignoring what he said is the will of the American people by rejecting tax increases that would balance out spending cuts in a debt package.
"This is not an issue of salesmanship to the American people," Obama said.
"I hope [Republicans are] not just listening to lobbyists and special interests ... I hope they're listening to the American people as well," Obama said, citing "poll after poll" showing Republican voters, as well as Democrats, believe in taking "a balanced approach" — including both increased revenues and spending cuts in a plan to cut the deficit.
Obama repeated his warning that the country is "running out of time" to avert a financial “Armageddon.”
"We should not even be this close on a deadline," Obama said. "This is something we should have accomplished earlier."
Obama said he is still pushing for a “big” deal to raise the debt ceiling by the Aug. 2 deadline despite the hardening of positions on Capitol Hill.
"I always have hope," Obama said. "Don't you remember my campaign?"
The president signaled he is opposed to the “Cut, Cap and Balance” proposal that House Republicans coalesced around Friday morning, and he challenged the GOP to "be ambitious" in proposing a package to cut the deficit.
"If they show me a serious plan, I'm ready to move, even if it requires some tough sacrifices on my part," Obama said.
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More from The Hill on the debt talks:
•Boehner: 'Too many people' in the room
•Republican leaders embrace 'Cut, Cap and Balance' plan
•S&P sees a 50 percent chance of downgrade for US credit rating
•The prickly relationship between Obama, Cantor
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Republicans in the House rallied Friday behind an effort to cut spending, cap spending in future years and pass a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution.
“We asked the president to lead, we asked him to put forward a plan, not a speech — a real plan — and he hasn’t. We will,” Speaker John Boehner said (R-Ohio) before Obama’s press conference.
The plan would authorize a $2.4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling after Congress passes a balanced-budget amendment.
The president said he had not studied the new Republican proposal, but said it “doesn't sound like a serious plan to me."
Obama also shot down the GOP calls for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, saying "we don't need a constitutional amendment to do our jobs."
As he has done since last week, the president challenged Republicans to pursue the biggest plan possible, seizing an "opportunity to stabilize American's finances" for the next 10, 15 or 20 years.
Noting the acknowledgment by Republican leaders that the debt ceiling has to be raised, Obama said that they should not stop at the "routine" decision to increase the government's borrowing authority.
"I'm glad the congressional leaders want to raise the debt ceiling, but I think the American people expect more," Obama said.
The president has repeatedly called for the negotiators to put politics aside even as the negotiations have increasingly been framed through the lens of the 2012 election.
Obama said he was hopeful that the leaders would step back from trying to please their base constituencies and move on the debt ceiling, reducing the deficit and other economic agenda items.
"You know… whatever Sen. McConnell says about me on the floor of the Senate is not going to be impediment to us getting a deal done," Obama said. "You know, the question is going to be whether at any given moment we're willing to set politics aside at least briefly in order to get something done.
He continued: "Surely we can come up with a compromise to solve those problems. So there will be huge differences between now and November 2012 between the parties. And whoever the Republican nominee is, you know, we're going to have a big, serious debate about what we believe is the right way to guide America forward and to win the future. And I'm confident that I will win that debate.”
"And I think increasingly the American people are going to say to themselves, you know what? If a party or a politician is constantly taking the position, my way or the highway, constantly being locked into, you know, ideologically rigid positions, that you know, we're going to remember at the polls," Obama said.
Obama didn't rule out the fall-back plan proposed by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) that would give the president the power to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a national default.
"It is constructive to say that if Washington operates as usual and can't get anything done, let's at least avert Armageddon," he said. However, Obama said he wanted to address the deeper debt issues.
"I have not seen a credible plan ... that would allow you to get to $2.4 trillion [in savings] without really hurting ordinary folks," he said.
The president said voters are paying attention to "who seems to be trying to get something done” in the high-stakes negotiations over raising the debt ceiling.
“It's going to be in the interests of everybody who wants to serve in this town to make sure they are on the right side of that impression,” he said.
This story was updated at 12:50 p.m.
Source:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/171743-obama-public-sold-on-tax-increases-in-debt-ceiling-deal
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DONT BLAME ME TEAM DILDO - YOU MORONS VOTED FOR THIS.
LMFAO
Read and learn
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/15/barack-obama/barack-obama-said-80-percent-americans-favor-both-/
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Obama just makes up statistics as he goes but apparently that's "OK" to people like Ozmo. If anyone else lies it's the end of the world. But not Obama. He's "special".
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Obama just makes up statistics as he goes but apparently that's "OK" to people like Ozmo. If anyone else lies it's the end of the world. But not Obama. He's "special".
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It's called liberal white guilt. They can't get over it. It's a disease.
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Read and learn
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/15/barack-obama/barack-obama-said-80-percent-americans-favor-both-/
Hmm looks like he is right
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Yeah ok. Tell me where obamas plan is again?
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He was right about the public opinion according to politifact
I dont think he has a plan for US i think he just does business as usual and prey for the best
If he was serious about changing anything he would'nt have hired half of Wall Street for his admin
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He was right about the public opinion according to politifact
I dont think he has a plan for US i think he just does business as usual and prey for the best
If he was serious about changing anything he would'nt have hired half of Wall Street for his admin
The polls are all over the map depending on who is asking it and how.
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The polls are all over the map depending on who is asking it and how.
Yep sure is