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Title: How safe are private jets?
Post by: tweeter on July 15, 2011, 03:48:57 PM
I have a lot of anxiety issues when it comes to flying, especially when there is turbelence. I'm may be going on a business trip with some of the higher-ups in my company and therefore taking the corporate jet, rather than flying commercial. Instead of being excited about it, I'm starting to get pretty nervous about the idea of flying on a smaller, private plane. I'm not exactly sure what kind of plane it is but I believe its just a medium sized corporate jet. Does anyone have any experience flying on a plane like this? Do you know if there will be a lot of turbelence compared to a commercial flight? I figured since this is Getbig, we probably have quite a few members with their own private jets ;)
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: dr.chimps on July 15, 2011, 03:51:23 PM
I have a lot of anxiety issues when it comes to flying, especially when there is turbelence. I'm may be going on a business trip with some of the higher-ups in my company and therefore taking the corporate jet, rather than flying commercial. Instead of being excited about it, I'm starting to get pretty nervous about the idea of flying on a smaller, private plane. I'm not exactly sure what kind of plane it is but I believe its just a medium sized corporate jet. Does anyone have any experience flying on a plane like this? Do you know if there will be a lot of turbelence compared to a commercial flight? I figured since this is Getbig, we probably have quite a few members with their own private jets ;)
Pffft. Take a Midol, and have a drink or two.    ;)
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Swede! on July 15, 2011, 03:57:19 PM
private jet "flyers" are probably better then commercial ones. But a plane can always crash anyway
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: tommywishbone on July 15, 2011, 04:07:03 PM
All of the ones I own are very safe.

Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Nails on July 15, 2011, 04:07:18 PM
you should try and fuck the stewardess during the flight if your boss lets you ... known to be flying whores especially on private jets




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Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: tommywishbone on July 15, 2011, 04:12:25 PM
Dc, I had forgotten that I picked up a few new Super Sky 5000's just last month. 
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: G_Thang on July 15, 2011, 04:18:51 PM
cessna.  nope.

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Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: dr.chimps on July 15, 2011, 04:34:56 PM
Dc, I had forgotten that I picked up a few new Super Sky 5000's just last month. 
Piffle. It happens to one, doesn't it? Just last week, I misplaced my snow leopard while playing polo in the vineyard. What a shambles.   ;D 
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on July 15, 2011, 04:45:11 PM
Dc, I had forgotten that I picked up a few new Super Sky 5000's just last month. 

Bahh..I only fly Gulfstream's
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Lexus II on July 15, 2011, 04:55:37 PM
I've worked at two large aircraft companies, so I believe I am qualified to speak about the aerospace industry.  If you are indeed flying in a corporate jet and depending on the length of the flight, it should be a smooth and comfortable flight.  The main thing that will affect the flight is the altitude.  The higher the altitude the smoother the flight.

I've been in six passenger aircraft that were as smooth as 737.  Don't worry about your flight there's a reason the rich have private jets.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Rambone on July 15, 2011, 05:06:06 PM
Jets are for pansies. Fly experimental planes like my pal, John Denver.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Lexus II on July 15, 2011, 05:46:57 PM
Thanks! Who typically pilots a company jet? Are they just regular pilots who go from plane to plane, or does the company typically have a pilot dedicated to their plane?

Seriously, think about it,  who flies on a company plane? The CEO, President, and Vice President.  When they're hiring a pilot, do you think they would risk their lives with an inexperience pilot.  Nope, they hire the best. 
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on July 15, 2011, 05:56:58 PM
You've come to the right place to ask that question. 6 1/2 out of every 10 Getbigger has their own private jet. True story. And many even fly in their own seafood from Seattle.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Butterbean on July 15, 2011, 06:06:30 PM
Seriously, think about it,  who flies on a company plane? The CEO, President, and Vice President.  When they're hiring a pilot, do you think they would risk their lives with an inexperience pilot.  Nope, they hire the best.  

Plus don't most jets whatever size require 2 pilots.  Although there is a somewhat new small jet that only requires one...it may be the only one?  Not sure.

Tweeter, more small planes go down in comparison to large commercial airliners....but it's usually pilot error and not mechanical.  You probably will have 2 pilots if you are in a jet so you have a much lower chance of having any trouble.  And yes, there can be a lot of turbulence in a small plane as well as a large plane.  If turbulence bothers you a lot, try to sit as close to the front as possible.

Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on July 15, 2011, 06:27:12 PM
Plus don't most jets whatever size require 2 pilots.  Although there is a somewhat new small jet that only requires one...it may be the only one?  Not sure.

Tweeter, lots of small planes go down in comparison to large commercial airliners....but it's usually pilot error and not mechanical.  You probably will have 2 pilots if you are in a jet so you have a much lower chance of having any trouble.  And yes, there can be a lot of turbulence in a small plane as well as a large plane.  If turbulence bothers you a lot, try to sit as close to the front as possible.



No, jets of that size generally have one pilot, comercial jets have two.. keep in mind those lear jets and gulfstreams generally seat 6-12 people so no real need for two pilots like in the case of 150 people.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Stark on July 16, 2011, 01:48:58 PM
Privat jets get the newest equipment always first before it is rolled out to the commercial airlines if ever, so they are saver than the commercial airlines.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: mass243 on July 16, 2011, 01:50:38 PM
Privat jets get the newest equipment always first before it is rolled out to the commercial airlines if ever, so they are saver than the commercial airlines.

Latest technology is never the most tested and tried though. More risk for something going wrong, don't ya think?

Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Julio Ceasar on July 16, 2011, 01:51:16 PM
wtf, go onboard the fugging plane. Stop whining bitch! :D Man or pussy?? Dead or Alive who gives a shit!

Ready for take off...to hell!
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Stark on July 16, 2011, 01:54:56 PM
Latest technology is never the most tested and tried though. More risk for something going wrong, don't ya think?



No absolutly not I have a friend who is a pilot for a saudi privat airline, he flies old horny super rich towel heads all over the country and he said the
equipment they have in jets these days is light years ahead than the one the commercial airlines have, like head display like a fighter jet etc etc.

We are not talking bare essential equipment but the extra safety - its still an airplane after all.

Dont forget the commercial airlines cannot afford to roll bit technology upgrades to their fleet they have to stay profitable and keep the price down.

Privat airlines 100% save.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: RJ DRIVER on July 16, 2011, 02:17:44 PM
Private aircraft are safe but not as safe as the airlines IMHO. Private jet pilots are pressured to fly with broken equipment and into bad weather by owners. That said the quality of pilots are similiar depending on pay.  That's just my opinion and I'm an airline pilot.  Bottom line, quit being a pussy and get on the plane!
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Stark on July 16, 2011, 02:38:45 PM
Private aircraft are safe but not as safe as the airlines IMHO. Private jet pilots are pressured to fly with broken equipment and into bad weather by owners. That said the quality of pilots are similiar depending on pay.  That's just my opinion and I'm an airline pilot.  Bottom line, quit being a pussy and get on the plane!

You are an airline pilot and you make a statement like that?

It all depends on what airline you choose - fact is private airlines are way saver they cannot afford any mistakes and they get better equipment.

Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: RJ DRIVER on July 16, 2011, 03:00:27 PM
You are an airline pilot and you make a statement like that?

It all depends on what airline you choose - fact is private airlines are way saver they cannot afford any mistakes and they get better equipment.



You are talking out of you're ass.  FACT- the vast majority of aviation accidents and incidents occurr in general aviation and corporate/charter part 135 companies.  Part 135 (charter/corporate) are held to less rigourous standards as far as training, maintenance, and defferable equipment.

There are some corporations that have the newest and best aircraft and avionics systems, but not most.  I would say most corporate flight departments are safe.  That being said there are alot of small companies and semi wealthy individuals that are so enamored with the idea of a private jet their blinded by its status symbol.  Alot of small companies buy very old antiquated equipment and hire pilots with the bare minimum experience to meet insurance standards. These owners safety concerns take a back seat to cost and the interior.  Thats just my observation. 
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: RJ DRIVER on July 16, 2011, 03:05:41 PM
Are certain models of private jets generally considered safer than others, or does it usually come down to the pilot and other external factors, such as weather, icing, etc? Do you know anything about the Learjet 35?

There are many factors that contribute to safety.  Lear's are the originaly corporate jet.  Generally they have a good name and can fly at higher altitudes then most airliners.  Seriously you should stop worrying the biggest danger of your trip will be the ride to airport.  You should sit back sip on some whiskey and enjoy the view.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Princess L on July 16, 2011, 05:44:20 PM
I have a lot of anxiety issues when it comes to flying, especially when there is turbelence. I'm may be going on a business trip with some of the higher-ups in my company and therefore taking the corporate jet, rather than flying commercial. Instead of being excited about it, I'm starting to get pretty nervous about the idea of flying on a smaller, private plane. I'm not exactly sure what kind of plane it is but I believe its just a medium sized corporate jet. Does anyone have any experience flying on a plane like this? Do you know if there will be a lot of turbelence compared to a commercial flight? I figured since this is Getbig, we probably have quite a few members with their own private jets ;)

Thanks! Who typically pilots a company jet? Are they just regular pilots who go from plane to plane, or does the company typically have a pilot dedicated to their plane?


I've flown on private/corporate jets several times.  They always had two pilots and they were actual employees of the companies.  It's great because you don't have to get to the airport so far in advance and deal with security, etc.  Just drive into the hanger, get on the plane and wheels up!  The flights were always comfortable.  I've always felt safer in these than the small planes like a 172, which feel like a tin can.

JFK Jr. got a big head and did some dumbass things.  He was only rated for VFR and conditions became IFR by the time he finally took off.  He shouldn't have let his ego get in the way.

Private aircraft are safe but not as safe as the airlines IMHO. Private jet pilots are pressured to fly with broken equipment and into bad weather by owners. That said the quality of pilots are similiar depending on pay.  That's just my opinion and I'm an airline pilot.  Bottom line, quit being a pussy and get on the plane!

And commercial airlines aren't  ::)  Who are you trying to kid?  ;)

Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: RJ DRIVER on July 16, 2011, 05:58:35 PM

I've flown on private/corporate jets several times.  They always had two pilots and they were actual employees of the companies.  It's great because you don't have to get to the airport so far in advance and deal with security, etc.  Just drive into the hanger, get on the plane and wheels up!  The flights were always comfortable.  I've always felt safer in these than the small planes like a 172, which feel like a tin can.

JFK Jr. got a big head and did some dumbass things.  He was only rated for VFR and conditions became IFR by the time he finally took off.  He shouldn't have let his ego get in the way.

And commercial airlines aren't  ::)  Who are you trying to kid?  ;)

we operate under a different set of regulations and are held strictly to those by FAA and our airline.  All I'm saying is on the private side your employer may give an ultimatum. Get us there or you're fired, regardless of regulations. I'm not saying it happens all the time but it does happen.


Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Irongrip400 on July 16, 2011, 06:59:16 PM
I have a lot of anxiety issues when it comes to flying, especially when there is turbelence. I'm may be going on a business trip with some of the higher-ups in my company and therefore taking the corporate jet, rather than flying commercial. Instead of being excited about it, I'm starting to get pretty nervous about the idea of flying on a smaller, private plane. I'm not exactly sure what kind of plane it is but I believe its just a medium sized corporate jet. Does anyone have any experience flying on a plane like this? Do you know if there will be a lot of turbelence compared to a commercial flight? I figured since this is Getbig, we probably have quite a few members with their own private jets ;)

I get a xanax script before I fly.  Going to Vegas the 28th and I just picked it up from the doc.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Princess L on July 25, 2011, 09:49:19 PM
Flight update please  ;D
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: BIG ACH on July 25, 2011, 09:53:41 PM

A guy I know is doing his PhD in Flight Crashes.  He told me that there have been a lot of private jet crashes that happen because a pilot would tell a High Executive/wealthy passenger that there is bad weather and we can't land at this airport and have to re-route, and the exec would put $10,000 in cash right in front of the pilot and tell him to still land regardless of weather conditions!
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: HUGEPECS on July 26, 2011, 06:03:27 AM
I have a lot of anxiety issues when it comes to flying, especially when there is turbelence. I'm may be going on a business trip with some of the higher-ups in my company and therefore taking the corporate jet, rather than flying commercial. Instead of being excited about it, I'm starting to get pretty nervous about the idea of flying on a smaller, private plane. I'm not exactly sure what kind of plane it is but I believe its just a medium sized corporate jet. Does anyone have any experience flying on a plane like this? Do you know if there will be a lot of turbelence compared to a commercial flight? I figured since this is Getbig, we probably have quite a few members with their own private jets ;)


lol.....I'm the same way too. I hate Turbulences. eventhough some of them are not too bad, but severe turbulence like the one who brought the Air France plane down was the worst of it's kind. the scariest turbulence I've been was so bad that some of the overhead compartment busted open and a few people scream. I almost shit on myself. it's for a good reason when the pilot said to put on your seatbelt if you're not doing anything.......I prefer flying 737's or Airbus.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: RJ DRIVER on July 26, 2011, 06:12:02 AM
A guy I know is doing his PhD in Flight Crashes.  He told me that there have been a lot of private jet crashes that happen because a pilot would tell a High Executive/wealthy passenger that there is bad weather and we can't land at this airport and have to re-route, and the exec would put $10,000 in cash right in front of the pilot and tell him to still land regardless of weather conditions!

That's exactly my point.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Butterbean on July 26, 2011, 11:28:46 AM
Is it safe to say that jets are generally considered safer than turboprops?

RJ can you please answer this?
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: tu_holmes on July 26, 2011, 11:59:41 AM
Is it safe to say that jets are generally considered safer than turboprops?
Safer... No, but they are more smooth to ride in because they can fly higher.

Turbo props have to deal with lower altitudes and therefore much more turbulence.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: RJ DRIVER on July 26, 2011, 08:40:33 PM
RJ can you please answer this?
tu holmes is correct. Turboprops and jets are both turbine engines and very reliable.  Small prop planes like most 4-6 seaters are reciprocating engines and are more prone to mechanical failures.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: tweeter on July 26, 2011, 09:02:24 PM
Flight update please  ;D

I haven't had to go yet...but I've calmed down about it now.

By the way, if I want to get Xanax to help with anxiety, should I specifically ask the doctor for it, or should I just say I have flight anxiety and see what he recommends?
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Princess L on September 23, 2011, 01:59:26 PM
Bump for update
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Nails on September 23, 2011, 02:03:07 PM
Lets ask PHIL HEATH .... I'm sure the New IFBB MR. OLYMPIA only travels around the world in private jets


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Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 23, 2011, 04:31:37 PM
I have a lot of anxiety issues when it comes to flying, especially when there is turbelence. I'm may be going on a business trip with some of the higher-ups in my company and therefore taking the corporate jet, rather than flying commercial. Instead of being excited about it, I'm starting to get pretty nervous about the idea of flying on a smaller, private plane. I'm not exactly sure what kind of plane it is but I believe its just a medium sized corporate jet. Does anyone have any experience flying on a plane like this? Do you know if there will be a lot of turbelence compared to a commercial flight? I figured since this is Getbig, we probably have quite a few members with their own private jets ;)

You're flying on private lear or G6 jets?  You must be a GETBIG millionaire.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: DK II on September 23, 2011, 04:41:00 PM
You're flying on private lear or G6 jets?  You must be a GETBIG millionaire.

Maybe you should try and read, stupid.

He said it's with the company's bosses in the corporate jet.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: MAXX on September 23, 2011, 04:41:34 PM
they are safe. I take mine to the gym every day.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 23, 2011, 04:45:17 PM
Maybe you should try and read, stupid.

He said it's with the company's bosses in the corporate jet.

Fuck you.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: jakew300 on September 23, 2011, 04:58:09 PM
I have never had any problems with my private jet.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: tu_holmes on September 23, 2011, 08:24:33 PM
The thing about the private jets is that they can fly above bad weather. The commercial planes cannot and have to fly through it.

I don't think that's true... Any commercial airliner flying at 33,000 feet is flying above bad weather.

Turbo props and smaller private propeller based aircraft can't fly above bad weather, but commercial jet liners can without issue.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: NotMrAverage on September 24, 2011, 07:45:58 AM
Just say no to airplanes man, remember 9/11? Those idiots made the airplane private and see how safe that was  :-[
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Tito24 on September 24, 2011, 07:46:30 AM
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Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Butterbean on September 24, 2011, 07:56:16 AM
Turbo props and smaller private propeller based aircraft can't fly above bad weather,

Some can.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: RJ DRIVER on September 24, 2011, 08:01:16 AM
I don't think that's true... Any commercial airliner flying at 33,000 feet is flying above bad weather.

Turbo props and smaller private propeller based aircraft can't fly above bad weather, but commercial jet liners can without issue.
That's incorrect.  While most "bad weather" is at the lower altitudes their is still significant weather that you simply cantget above.  Thunderstorms and towering cumulonimbus can reach as high as 50-60 thousand feet.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: tu_holmes on September 24, 2011, 03:23:47 PM
That's incorrect.  While most "bad weather" is at the lower altitudes their is still significant weather that you simply cantget above.  Thunderstorms and towering cumulonimbus can reach as high as 50-60 thousand feet.

Well, that may be true, but I don't think a private jets can get above those either.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Army of One on September 24, 2011, 03:29:02 PM
Statistically you are far more likely to die on a private jet than a commercial jet.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 24, 2011, 03:42:31 PM
I have a lot of anxiety issues when it comes to flying, especially when there is turbelence. I'm may be going on a business trip with some of the higher-ups in my company and therefore taking the corporate jet, rather than flying commercial. Instead of being excited about it, I'm starting to get pretty nervous about the idea of flying on a smaller, private plane. I'm not exactly sure what kind of plane it is but I believe its just a medium sized corporate jet. Does anyone have any experience flying on a plane like this? Do you know if there will be a lot of turbelence compared to a commercial flight? I figured since this is Getbig, we probably have quite a few members with their own private jets ;)

I'm the same way when I fly. If I know I'm flying say a month prior I'm a nervous wreck for the entire month. I flew 6-7 times last year. But once I'm up I'm fine, hit bad turbulence and I white knuckle it.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: MAXX on September 24, 2011, 03:43:06 PM
The thing about the private jets is that they can fly above bad weather. The commercial planes cannot and have to fly through it.
i prefer to fly under the bad weather
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: tu_holmes on September 24, 2011, 03:46:46 PM
I'm the same way when I fly. If I know I'm flying say a month prior I'm a nervous wreck for the entire month. I flew 6-7 times last year. But once I'm up I'm fine, hit bad turbulence and I white knuckle it.

Damn... I fly every couple of weeks. If I had some kind of anxiety, I'd be in trouble.

Was flying with a friend of mine a couple of months ago and she was a complete mess, during take off and landing she would clinch my arm with a death grip.

I feel for anyone who has this fear in any state.

She probably suffered from some sort of agoraphobia.
Title: Re: How safe are private jets?
Post by: Army of One on September 25, 2011, 05:27:14 AM
Someone worked out once that if you rendomly boarded a different flight everyday it would take 21000 years before you died in a plane crash.