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Title: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 04:55:20 AM
Wow - where have you heard this before? 

Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on July 19, 2011, 06:46:08 AM
but regulations always mean things improve.    ::)
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: whork25 on July 19, 2011, 06:53:37 AM
but regulations always mean things improve.    ::)

You need to regulate Wall Street
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 06:56:15 AM
You need to regulate Wall Street

did you even listen to the clip? 

and I have been saying this from Day 1 about obama and team dildo refuses to acknowledge the truth - that is - the obama admn is literally like a typhoid mary to the economy. 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: whork25 on July 19, 2011, 07:12:22 AM
did you even listen to the clip? 

and I have been saying this from Day 1 about obama and team dildo refuses to acknowledge the truth - that is - the obama admn is literally like a typhoid mary to the economy. 

I dont think i have ever heard from anyone that Obama should be strong on economy

A republican who is not so much in bed with the big money would be better. Ron Paul comes to mind
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 07:13:44 AM
I dont think i have ever heard from anyone that Obama should be strong on economy

A republican who is not so much in bed with the big money would be better. Ron Paul comes to mind

Wynn is a democrat who voted for Obama 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 07:32:18 AM
I dont think i have ever heard from anyone that Obama should be strong on economy

A republican who is not so much in bed with the big money would be better. Ron Paul comes to mind

Quite buying the BS, Dem and Repubs are both in bed with wallstreet money. In most cases dems more so, check the contributions
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: whork25 on July 19, 2011, 08:42:35 AM
Quite buying the BS, Dem and Repubs are both in bed with wallstreet money. In most cases dems more so, check the contributions

Im not buying anything i agree with you. When i said Obama was not strong on economy i mean it. Everyone agrees on that even democrats i think.
Ron Poul may be the only politician who is not in bed with Wall Street. Im wondering how they will try to smother his reputation if he gets the nomination.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 08:47:09 AM
Quite buying the BS, Dem and Repubs are both in bed with wallstreet money. In most cases dems more so, check the contributions

Totally agree.  I don't see things getting much better, short of some kind of upheaval or revolution. 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 09:07:44 AM
Let's review

Obama ran on many things, one of which was health care reform

Wynn voted for Obama and Republicans forced us to pass a shitty watered down version of reform and now he's bitching about healthcare?

I thought all companies were just going to drop their healthcare let their employees go on the federal program and it was going to put the insurance companies out of business (note - United healthcare just released it's earning and second-quarter earnings rose 13 percent, as enrollment gains helped fuel revenue growth and consumers continued to moderate their health care system use - maybe it's those high deductibles that are stopping people from using healthcare which in turn has created more profit for health insurance companies)

In the beginning of that clip he said that Obama should "wrangle" both parties?

Obama has proposed a combination of spending decreases and tax increases and Republicans have said NO to any increase in revenues

The thing that really cracks me up is hearing this guy bitch and moan about being afraid and about "uncertainty"

Since when is it the governments role to create "certainty" for any business.   Business is all about risk and uncertainty.   

Maybe Wynn's business can't make money because people don't have extra cash to blow on gambling (maybe because they have no more equity in their house/ATM machine)

BTW - does anyone remember when Republican Governor Jim Gibbons was floating the idea of a federal goverment bailout of the casino  industry.
Something tells me Wynn would have been all on board for that.  I mean it would have helped create certainty and for some reason that's what he things the governemet should be doing for him
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 09:10:50 AM
Obama has no plan.   Even the cbo said "you can't score a speech".
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 09:16:13 AM
Obama has no plan.   Even the cbo said "you can't score a speech".

Obama has offered many variations, all of which include revenue and expenditures (I think right now it's about 75% spendind and 25% revenue)

Repubs have fucked themselves by saying revenues can't be touched

If they truly cared about the country they would be rational enough to realize that we need to attack this from both sides

I guess Obama just needs to "wrangle" them as Wynn has suggested

btw -I don't buy the Repub talking point that the highest 2% are the "job creators"

They just throw that out there are we're all supposed to believe it.

Most jobs are created by small businesses and most of the wealthy people I know don't and have never created a single job in their life
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 09:18:03 AM
Show me exactly his plan.  Not vague nonsense.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 09:19:51 AM
The rich got richer from 2008 to now yet our UE is still high. Which suggests when companies get richer it doesnt mean they provide more jobs.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 09:21:53 AM
Yawn.  Complete cliche bs.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 09:24:24 AM
I suspect that If the Dems didn't pass healthcare legislation that Wynn would be bitching that Obama promised healthcare reform and he'd still be making the excuse that he's afraid to take a risk in his business because of the uncertainty of rising healthcare care costs

He can't take personal responsibility for the failings of his own industry and business and he needs someone to blame

Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 09:25:27 AM
I suspect that If the Dems didn't pass healthcare legislation that Wynn would be bitching that Obama promised healthcare reform and he'd still be making the excuse that he's afraid to take a risk in his business because of the uncertainty of rising healthcare care costs

He can't take personal responsibility for the failings of his own industry and business and he needs someone to blame




The health bill was the worst of all worlds and ghuess what straw - IS THE OPPOSITE OF OBAMA PROMISED.


1.  LIED ABOUT MANDATE 


2.  LIED ABOUT THE PUBLIC OPTION 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 09:26:10 AM
Yawn.  Complete cliche bs.

In denial again huh?  Your whole BS point about lowering taxes and making it so that companies make more money so they will employ more people falls flat.  

Go ahead and spout some more OB digs.  BFD, the Truth is we a getting fucked from both sides.  
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 09:30:03 AM
In denial again huh?  Your whole BS point about lowering taxes and making it so that companies make more money so they will employ more people falls flat.  

Go ahead and spout some more OB digs.  BFD, the Truth is we a getting fucked from both sides.  

Companies are only going to employ more people if their products are in demand and need to make more of them. Unemployment not only hurts the individual it hurts business, smaller pool of consumers. So why are the rich, richer? The tax rates stayed the same they have been for the past what 10 years.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 09:30:11 AM

The health bill was the worst of all worlds and ghuess what straw - IS THE OPPOSITE OF OBAMA PROMISED.


1.  LIED ABOUT MANDATE 


2.  LIED ABOUT THE PUBLIC OPTION 

newsflash - Obama is not a king.  He has to work with what people in his party will give him and of course has to deal with 100% opposition to anything he is in favor of from the Repubs.

I assume from your bitching you would have been in favor of the public option.   I also assume, that you agree with Steve Wynn in his support of Harry Reid
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 09:31:47 AM
Companies are only going to employ more people if their products are in demand and need to make more of them. Unemployment not only hurts the individual it hurts business, smaller pool of consumers. So why are the rich, richer? The tax rates stayed the same they have been for the past what 10 years.

exactly why the goverment (and the economy) get a return of greater than a dollar for every dollar spent on things like unemployment, public work programs etc.. and get almost nothing in return by giving millionares tax cuts
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 09:35:24 AM
In denial again huh?  Your whole BS point about lowering taxes and making it so that companies make more money so they will employ more people falls flat.  

Go ahead and spout some more OB digs.  BFD, the Truth is we a getting fucked from both sides.  

The so called "rich" as defined by you dopes as anyone making over 250k, includes everyone from the plumbing contractor with a few trucks to warren buffet.

Its a complete bullshit statement on your part not in any way connected with the reality of the American economy.  Its classic far left socialist class warfare bs wo an ounce of substance.  A mile wide and an inch thick.  

Have the too big to fail bailed out by bush and obama prospered?   of course!  


Has the small business guy who used to make 350k a year and now makes 250k a year two years later, and now has less business, less employees, and less prospects going forward propered?  You do the math.  

Under your "wwwaaahhhh, the rich, wwaaahh, richer than 2008  wwaaahh,   you dont make the distinction"



        
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 09:37:43 AM
newsflash - Obama is not a king.  He has to work with what people in his party will give him and of course has to deal with 100% opposition to anything he is in favor of from the Repubs.

I assume from your bitching you would have been in favor of the public option.   I also assume, that you agree with Steve Wynn in his support of Harry Reid


I have always said - if you have a mandate - you need to have an affordable option for people who can't afford the premiums.  Whether that is a single payor, public option, whatever, you can't mandate people by a product they cant afford.   
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 09:41:44 AM

I have always said - if you have a mandate - you need to have an affordable option for people who can't afford the premiums.  Whether that is a single payor, public option, whatever, you can't mandate people by a product they cant afford.   

I don't recall you being in favor of anyone getting assistance for healthcare

My only recollection is you bitching about any and everything that would involve the government helping people obtain health care

Why don't you tell us about the provisions fo the mandate, the cases where people are exempt or receive assistance if they can't afford it

Help us all understand it better
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 09:44:18 AM
I don't recall you being in favor of anyone getting assistance for healthcare

My only recollection is you bitching about any and everything that would involve the government helping people obtain health care

Why don't you tell us about the provisions fo the mandate, the cases where people are exempt or receive assistance if they can't afford it

Help us all understand it better

The so called subsidies are pure shit and not in any way connected with the reality of the american workforce or insurance market in the differing 50 states.


Obama wanted a one size fits all situation which does not work.         
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 09:45:05 AM
Under 50 employee businesses only accounts for 25% of the workforce.  Which is likely owned by many of those people you identitfy making 250k per year.  

I don't have a problem with people making money, never have.  I don t consider a person making 250k rich.  They are upper middle class.  

But when companies like exxon and GE post billions in tax free profit and UE gets higher which reality is much higher because of the UEB extentions, it's time to stop buying into the all the political spectrum bull shit.  We are getting fucked. Period.  
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 09:47:27 AM
Under 50 employee businesses only accounts for 25% of the workforce.  Which is likely owned by many of those people you identitfy making 250k per year.  

I don't have a problem with people making money, never have.  I don t consider a person making 250k rich.  They are upper middle class.  

But when companies like exxon and GE post billions in tax free profit and UE gets higher which reality is much higher because of the UEB extentions, it's time to stop buying into the all the political spectrum bull shit.  We are getting fucked. Period.  

especially when those very same companies have admitted to sitting on billions of dollars and are not willing to do anything with the money.

these are the "people" we need to give even more money to in the form of tax breaks......so they can just sit on that too?
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 09:52:09 AM
especially when those very same companies have admitted to sitting on billions of dollars and are not willing to do anything with the money.

these are the "people" we need to give even more money to in the form of tax breaks......so they can just sit on that too?

Why are they unwilling to commit this money to investment? 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
Why are they unwilling to commit this money to investment? 

no demand for increased investment

it's no different than your business

If you saw an increase in demand you would hire more people to take advantage of the increased demand
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
no demand for increased investment

it's no different than your business

If you saw an increase in demand you would hire more people to take advantage of the increased demand

And why is there no demand? 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 10:09:30 AM
And why is there no demand? 

which industry are we talking about

casinos?
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 10:12:22 AM
which industry are we talking about

casinos?

General economy?


I'll tell you why, its because the average schmuck has seen their earnings and savings stolen by the disgusting pofs govt YOU SUPPORT run by obama, bernake, geithner, the federal reserve, etc who have intentionally engaged on a course of inflation, devaluing the dollar, and spiking commodity prices. 

The slave masters you support are worse than thieves.     
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 10:15:47 AM
General economy?


I'll tell you why, its because the average schmuck has seen their earnings and savings stolen by the disgusting pofs govt YOU SUPPORT run by obama, bernake, geithner, the federal reserve, etc who have intentionally engaged on a course of inflation, devaluing the dollar, and spiking commodity prices. 

The slave masters you support are worse than thieves.     


you think the average person (who is now receiving 2 tax cuts from the Dems/Obama) is hoarding their money and not spending it at Wynn's casino because they are angry at Obama, Bernake, et al?

are you joking man

I guess if we could just create "certainty" for guys like Wynn then his customers would find out about it and start showing up

that's how it works right?
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 10:23:07 AM
you think the average person (who is now receiving 2 tax cuts from the Dems/Obama) is hoarding their money and not spending it at Wynn's casino because they are angry at Obama, Bernake, et al?

are you joking man

I guess if we could just create "certainty" for guys like Wynn then his customers would find out about it and start showing up

that's how it works right?


ha ha ha ha!!!!!


Are you fucking kidding?   Damn you are fucking dumb - no really dumb. 

Obama tax "cut"  - $6 dollars a week. 

Obama elected - gas $2  a gallon.  now - $4 dollars gallon.   Lets say the average use is 10 gallons a week, which is low.   


Do the fucking math moron.   
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 10:30:24 AM

ha ha ha ha!!!!!


Are you fucking kidding?   Damn you are fucking dumb - no really dumb. 

Obama tax "cut"  - $6 dollars a week. 

Obama elected - gas $2  a gallon.  now - $4 dollars gallon.   Lets say the average use is 10 gallons a week, which is low.   


Do the fucking math moron.   

Do you also remember in the summer or 2008 it was $4.50 + and then as banks started to fail, companies started to hemorrage jobs and it appeared that we were on the verge of a global financial meltdown that the people who trade and manipulate the oil markets assumed demand would collapse and so the market sold off

do you remember any of that?

now explain to us how removing perceived uncertinty for billionares like Wynn is going to get those same consumers to suddenly want to spend money in his casino .
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 10:33:14 AM
Do you also remember in the summer or 2008 it was $4.50 + and then as banks started to fail, companies started to hemorrage jobs and it appeared that we were on the verge of a global financial meltdown that the people who trade and manipulate the oil markets assumed demand would collapse and so the market sold off

do you remember any of that?

now explain to us how removing perceived uncertinty for billionares like Wynn is going to get those same consumers to suddenly want to spend money in his casino .

did you watch the clip?   



Its the entire economy that obama is the typhoid mary over.   Its Wynns' subs, their subs, their suppliers, the people who go to casinos, everyone. 


Your messiah is literally the black plague over the economy.   everything he goes near gets infected and dies.   He is the wet blanket over the nation, like I said from day 1. 


But oh yeah, Straw knows more than Wynn, who voted for obama and is a demo himself.   lmfao!!!!   
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Straw Man on July 19, 2011, 10:35:19 AM
did you watch the clip?   


Its the entire economy that obama is the typhoid mary over.   Its Wynns' subs, their subs, their suppliers, the people who go to casinos, everyone. 


Your messiah is literally the black plague over the economy.   everything he goes near gets infected and dies.   He is the wet blanket over the nation, like I said from day 1. 


But oh yeah, Straw knows more than Wynn, who voted for obama and is a demo himself.   lmfao!!!!   

my first post was commenting on the clip

Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 11:18:58 AM
exactly why the goverment (and the economy) get a return of greater than a dollar for every dollar spent on things like unemployment, public work programs etc.. and get almost nothing in return by giving millionares tax cuts

So you just aren't going to address the fact that tax rates haven't changed? So tell me how exactly the rich are getting richer on these non existent tax cuts. More of the same BS, only the federal government avoids responsibility for its failures. Well shit the trillion spent on the stimulus failed, so lets double down. The education system sucks, so lets throw yet more money at it ::) Everytime the government fails they use it to justify making the government bigger. Every where else failure gets you a pink slip in the government it gets you more money to continue the same failed bullshit
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 12:47:41 PM
So you just aren't going to address the fact that tax rates haven't changed? So tell me how exactly the rich are getting richer on these non existent tax cuts. More of the same BS, only the federal government avoids responsibility for its failures. Well shit the trillion spent on the stimulus failed, so lets double down. The education system sucks, so lets throw yet more money at it ::) Everytime the government fails they use it to justify making the government bigger. Every where else failure gets you a pink slip in the government it gets you more money to continue the same failed bullshit

The stimulus failed and who is left with the pain?
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 12:55:53 PM
The stimulus failed and who is left with the pain?

Who pushed the stimulus? I seem to remember someone saying that unemployment would not go over 8%. The stimulus is nothing more than a slush fund for unions, which strangely enough gets funneled back to the politicians via donations. What happened to all the shovel ready projects? Face it the stimulus was a scam to prop up state governments, and pay off unions and other big donors. Who's left with the pain? The tax payer of course, but lets argue about what Palin or Bachman said in a church 5 years ago. The tax payer got bent over and dry fucked by the stimulus. What pisses me off the most is the fact that America is so full of functional retards and welfare zombies that we aren't marching on DC and throwing these fuckers out of office for the grand theft perpetrated against the American tax payer.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 12:56:32 PM
The stimulus failed and who is left with the pain?

The idiot taxpayer who is sitting with higher commodity prices, lower value of the dollar, less purchasing prices, and a worse economy.


I called this shit from Day 1.  


 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 01:30:35 PM
The idiot taxpayer who is sitting with higher commodity prices, lower value of the dollar, less purchasing prices, and a worse economy.

I called this shit from Day 1.  


You did.  I wasn't so sure at the time, mainly because I had little understanding of what was going on. 

But we are really fucked now. 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 01:32:55 PM
Who pushed the stimulus? I seem to remember someone saying that unemployment would not go over 8%. The stimulus is nothing more than a slush fund for unions, which strangely enough gets funneled back to the politicians via donations. What happened to all the shovel ready projects? Face it the stimulus was a scam to prop up state governments, and pay off unions and other big donors. Who's left with the pain? The tax payer of course, but lets argue about what Palin or Bachman said in a church 5 years ago. The tax payer got bent over and dry fucked by the stimulus. What pisses me off the most is the fact that America is so full of functional retards and welfare zombies that we aren't marching on DC and throwing these fuckers out of office for the grand theft perpetrated against the American tax payer.

We argue about all kinds of shit all the time.  That's part of the draw of the board.  If something is posted I don't agree with I say something, and sometimes a debate ensues.

The thing about this, who is really here that will argue the stimulus worked?  It's hard to argue about something must people agree was a failure. 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 01:34:46 PM
You did.  I wasn't so sure at the time, mainly because I had little understanding of what was going on. 

But we are really fucked now. 


Yes we are.   Devalued dollar, higher commodity prices, less jobs, less labor particpation rate, no new infrastructure for all that money, etc. 

Like I told straw above- the so called 'tax break" was utter bullshit since those $6 a week were lost in the added inflation we all had to absorb due to the Fed Printing scam required to fund the stim bill in the first place.   

Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 01:35:26 PM
We argue about all kinds of shit all the time.  That's part of the draw of the board.  If something is posted I don't agree with I say something, and sometimes a debate ensues.

The thing about this, who is really here that will argue the stimulus worked?  It's hard to argue about something must people agree was a failure. 

The Stimulus was much more than a failure, it was grand theft.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 01:37:28 PM

Yes we are.   Devalued dollar, higher commodity prices, less jobs, less labor particpation rate, no new infrastructure for all that money, etc. 

Like I told straw above- the so called 'tax break" was utter bullshit since those $6 a week were lost in the added inflation we all had to absorb due to the Fed Printing scam required to fund the stim bill in the first place.   



And our roads are crumbling, sewage, fresh water problems, crime etc... 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 01:38:10 PM
The Stimulus was much more than a failure, it was grand theft.

Stim Bill was a monumental theft and heist.  

It stole money from taxpayers in the form of future taxes and present inflation in order to keep unsustainable govt spending going on both the fed and state level.  

Now that the scam is ending, states are forced to lay people off when they should have been forced to do so two years ago instead of being granted two more years to piss away money on bloated budgets, bloated salaries, bloated agencies, etc.    
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 01:39:06 PM
Stim Bill was a monumental theft and heist.  

It stole money from taxpayers in the form of future taxes and present inflation in order to keep unsustainable govt spending going on both the fed and state level.  

Now that the scam is ending, states are forced to lay people off when they should have been forced to do so two years ago instead of being granted two more years to piss away money on bloated budgets, bloated salaries, bloated agencies, etc.    

So basically we are 2 years behind a recovery and trillions more in debt. 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 01:41:33 PM
So basically we are 2 years behind a recovery and trillions more in debt. 

Atleast 2 years, and its only going to get worse when Obamacare really kicks in, strange how that bill is all back ended until after the 2012 elections
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 01:43:03 PM
Atleast 2 years, and its only going to get worse when Obamacare really kicks in, strange how that bill is all back ended until after the 2012 elections

So the supreme court isn't going to declare it unconstitutional?
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 01:43:41 PM
So basically we are 2 years behind a recovery and trillions more in debt. 

Yup, with NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT, but for a few africans who got their genitals washed. 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 01:44:51 PM
So the supreme court isn't going to declare it unconstitutional?


I would hope so, but you never know anymore
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 01:45:06 PM
So the supreme court isn't going to declare it unconstitutional?

Who knows!    There are lower court decisions on each side of this.   and if they dont take this up soon and obama gets another pick or two, we are royally screwed.  
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: OzmO on July 19, 2011, 01:48:49 PM
I have lost all faith in our present system.  We were hijacked don't know when, a friend of mine says since FDR.  He's 79, former missionary.  You (33333) say since Woodrow Wilson, some say sine the gold standard.

FFS!  A bushel of celery costs $2 here.  >:(

Wtf?  Maybe I should move to Canada lol.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 01:53:48 PM
I have lost all faith in our present system.  We were hijacked don't know when, a friend of mine says since FDR.  He's 79, former missionary.  You (33333) say since Woodrow Wilson, some say sine the gold standard.

FFS!  A bushel of celery costs $2 here.  >:(

Wtf?  Maybe I should move to Canada lol.

Wilson - Fed Reserve act., as well as as Income Tax

LBJ - Great society and started ball rolling with stealing from SS

Nixon - abandoned Bretton Woods

Clinton - NAFTA, GAT, repeal of Glass Stegal 



Those are my main culprits right now and why. 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: kcballer on July 19, 2011, 03:26:56 PM
Ah yes Mr Wynn.  Millionaire from gambling.  Hardly a man i would trust to listen to.  I thought as a god fearing, homosexual hating red stater 333 you'd be against someone who preys on the weak.

Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 19, 2011, 03:32:52 PM
Ah yes Mr Wynn.  Millionaire from gambling.  Hardly a man i would trust to listen to.  I thought as a god fearing, homosexual hating red stater 333 you'd be against someone who preys on the weak.



He voices what I hear dozens of time a week from clients in contruction, rentals, professional services, etc. 

Until Obama is gone, no business will hire anyone.   He is the typhoid mary and black plague (or should I say bubonic?) over the economy.   
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Kazan on July 19, 2011, 03:44:47 PM
Ah yes Mr Wynn.  Millionaire from gambling.  Hardly a man i would trust to listen to.  I thought as a god fearing, homosexual hating red stater 333 you'd be against someone who preys on the weak.




Interesting take, I guess he forces people to gamble? I guess personal responsibility is a thing of the past in the new America ::)
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: HDPhysiques on July 20, 2011, 06:37:22 AM
Atleast 2 years, and its only going to get worse when Obamacare really kicks in, strange how that bill is all back ended until after the 2012 elections

Yep. This is unfortunately true.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: dario73 on July 20, 2011, 07:38:00 AM
Ah yes Mr Wynn.  Millionaire from gambling.  Hardly a man i would trust to listen to.  I thought as a god fearing, homosexual hating red stater 333 you'd be against someone who preys on the weak.



Take notes, guys. This is the typical answer from someone who can't defend Obama or his policies. This response attacks Mr. Wynn and 333 but at no time does it address the validity of Mr. Wynn's comments.

Yeah, lets attack the messenger!!!
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 20, 2011, 07:39:56 AM
Take notes, guys. This is the typical answer from someone who can't defend Obama or his policies. This response attacks Mr. Wynn and 333 but at no time does it address the validity of Mr. Wynn's comments.

Yeah, lets attack the messenger!!!

Well, when your own Chief of Staff says your own economic policies are "indefensible" , what do you expect?
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 20, 2011, 06:14:20 PM
Home Depot Co-Founder: Obama Is Choking Recovery
By JOHN MERLINE, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY 
Posted 06:35 PM ET
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Bernie Marcus co-founded Home Depot (HD) in 1978 and brought it public in 1981 as the U.S. was suffering from the worst recession and unemployment in 40 years. The company thrived, creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and redefining home improvement retailing.

But Marcus says Home Depot "would never have succeeded" if it launched today due to onerous regulation. He recently helped launch the Job Creators Alliance, a Dallas-based nonprofit of CEOs and entrepreneurs dedicated to preserving the free enterprise system. IBD recently spoke to him about jobs and the economy.

IBD: What's the single biggest impediment to job growth today?


Bernie Marcus: Red over rules. View Enlarged Image

Marcus: The U.S. government. Having built a small business into a big one, I can tell you that today the impediments that the government imposes are impossible to deal with. Home Depot would never have succeeded if we'd tried to start it today. Every day you see rules and regulations from a group of Washington bureaucrats who know nothing about running a business. And I mean every day. It's become stifling.

If you're a small businessman, the only way to deal with it is to work harder, put in more hours, and let people go. When you consider that something like 70% of the American people work for small businesses, you are talking about a big economic impact.

IBD: President Obama has promised to streamline and eliminate regulations. What's your take?

Marcus: His speeches are wonderful. His output is absolutely, incredibly bad. As he speaks about cutting out regulations, they are now producing thousands of pages of new ones. With just ObamaCare by itself, you have a 2,000 page bill that's probably going end up being 150,000 pages of regulations.

IBD: Washington has been consumed with debt talks. Is this the right focus now?

Marcus: They are all tied together. If we don't lower spending and if we don't deal with paying down the debt, we are going to have to raise taxes. Even brain-dead economists understand that when you raise taxes, you cost jobs.

IBD: If you could sit down with Obama and talk to him about job creation, what would you say?

Marcus: I'm not sure Obama would understand anything that I'd say, because he's never really worked a day outside the political or legal area. He doesn't know how to make a payroll, he doesn't understand the problems businesses face. I would try to explain that the plight of the busi nessman is very reactive to Washington. As Washington piles on regulations and mandates, the impact is tremendous. I don't think he's a bad guy. I just think he has no knowledge of this.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: kcballer on July 21, 2011, 09:49:32 AM
Take notes, guys. This is the typical answer from someone who can't defend Obama or his policies. This response attacks Mr. Wynn and 333 but at no time does it address the validity of Mr. Wynn's comments.

Yeah, lets attack the messenger!!!

I am not opposed to dissenting opinions against Obama.  I just believe that both 333 and Wynn have absolutely no credibility with me.  If it was Casey Mulligan for example, i read what he writes and enjoy his views.  Steve Wynn, holds not such distinction other than being Vegas trash who found out how to make money off misery.  He is the equivalent of a cartel drug dealer.   
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on July 21, 2011, 09:50:54 AM
I am not opposed to dissenting opinions against Obama.  I just believe that both 333 and Wynn have absolutely no credibility with me.  If it was Casey Mulligan for example, i read what he writes and enjoy his views.  Steve Wynn, holds not such distinction other than being Vegas trash who found out how to make money off misery.  He is the equivalent of a cartel drug dealer.   

33 has been more write on the outcomes of things than you, so might opinion should hold weight w you. 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: kcballer on July 21, 2011, 09:54:31 AM
33 has been more write on the outcomes of things than you, so might opinion should hold weight w you. 

Throw enough sh*t and some will stick as they say.  You play a purely political game - spam as much negative information as possible, some true, some not, but the outcome is the same - a negative connotation with a certain person.   You are getbigs Karl Rove and i don't say that as a compliment.  It is sad how twisted you are and how blinded you are.  A broken clock is right two times a day, but you are not someone i would ever take seriously, not would i listen to for an extended period of time. 
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: chadstallion on July 22, 2011, 06:58:25 AM
and in the same breath Mr. Wynn announced his casinos had the best 1st quarter ever.
he and his businesses seem to be doing just great under the present admin..
irony?
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: whork25 on July 25, 2011, 01:01:50 AM
and in the same breath Mr. Wynn announced his casinos had the best 1st quarter ever.
he and his businesses seem to be doing just great under the present admin..
irony?

 ???
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 19, 2011, 07:48:38 PM
STEVE WYNN Goes On Big Rant About Occupy Wall Street, Obama, Deficits, And Anger At The Government
Business Insider ^ | October 19,2011 | Joe Weisenthal   
Posted on October 19, 2011 10:22:40 PM EDT by Hojczyk

Classic.

On the conference call for Wynn Resorts, CEO Steve Wynn went on a big rant on Occupy Wall Street, Obama, and deficits.

Here are our notes in raw form. It's all mostly paraphrased.

In a nutshell, he says:

Deficits are killing us, our dollars are worthless, and the Democrats are bankrupting the country and vilifying anyone who's successful. So naturally, people are protesting.

It's very interesting about the folks who are occupying Wall Street.

That group is quite diverse.

There are people in there who think the government should give them more just because they are alive.

There are people who are opposing government spending.

That group is not homogeneous.

What you do have is anxiety and fear that is endemic in the United States of America... due to the government.

I am watching my employees standard of living due to deficits.

The public is making the connection between deficits and their standard of living.

They're seeing their wages go to 80 cent dollars to 70 cent dollars.

I have not been able to keep up with the effect of deficits.

You're seeing that on Occupy Wall Street.

You're seeing it taken to the next level in Greece.

People are trying to break into a parliament primarily controlled by the Unions. There comes a moment when the population realizes that it has to stop.

Rich people are now being defined by the administration as people who make $1 million dollars

Well, most of the businesses in America other than giant corporations are paying taxes under partnerships or S corporations.

One side is right, and one side is wrong. You can not sustain these levels of deficits. The Democrats are bankrupting this country.
Title: Re: Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 20, 2011, 06:28:55 AM
 ;)  ;)