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Title: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Deicide on July 20, 2011, 03:46:15 AM
Global economic slump, constant wars, etc...

Anyone finding a reason to be optimistic?
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Swedish Viking on July 20, 2011, 03:57:07 AM
I definitely do, people are changing their ways.  All around me I see people living more sustainably.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 20, 2011, 03:58:22 AM
Oh, it's that time of the month day again.  ::) ::)


People ALWAYS thought their times were the shittiest, end of the world bla bla bullshit.

Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Deicide on July 20, 2011, 04:13:04 AM
Oh, it's that time of the month day again.  ::) ::)


People ALWAYS thought their times were the shittiest, end of the world bla bla bullshit.



Never said that but you think things are great? Look at your home country, your adopted country; things are not good.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Marty Champions on July 20, 2011, 04:17:23 AM
read my thread dont be a pussy

"sometimes you got to reflect ma man". "workin for momma workin for daddy too doing what we had to do"


Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: The Italian Lifter on July 20, 2011, 04:30:15 AM
Global economic slump, constant wars, etc...

Anyone finding a reason to be optimistic?
no
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Marty Champions on July 20, 2011, 04:32:44 AM
Oh, it's that time of the month day again.  ::) ::)


People ALWAYS thought their times were the shittiest, end of the world bla bla bullshit.




QFT

we all got problems just different problems
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: The Showstoppa on July 20, 2011, 04:35:19 AM
I think the days of the plague running rampant in Europe were the golden years.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Papper on July 20, 2011, 04:36:43 AM
I think the days of the plague running rampant in Europe were the golden years.

lol!!
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 20, 2011, 04:38:21 AM
read my thread dont be a pussy

"sometimes you got to reflect ma man". "workin for momma workin for daddy too doing what we had to do"




Nothing more to add, thread can be closed.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on July 20, 2011, 04:38:47 AM
Dirty skins are ruining the world
USA is destroyed with mexicans and the like
We have rumanians and nigerians here
England has somalians and pakis
France problems stem from algerians and morrocans
Germany have the Turks
Holland has Albanians and algerians

I could go on
Basically country's economic growth are being destroyed by chocolate face immigrants who do nothing but take, take, take
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Tito24 on July 20, 2011, 04:39:43 AM
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: mass243 on July 20, 2011, 05:04:46 AM
Oh, it's that time of the month day again.  ::) ::)


People ALWAYS thought their times were the shittiest, end of the world bla bla bullshit.



This is easy to concur with.

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Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Dr Dutch on July 20, 2011, 06:20:58 AM
The weather is nice, my job is easy (right now), decent paycheck, no war here in over 65 years. Life's great!
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: The True Adonis on July 20, 2011, 09:26:05 AM
Global economic slump, constant wars, etc...

Anyone finding a reason to be optimistic?
What does any of that have to do with you?
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 20, 2011, 09:31:58 AM
read my thread dont be a pussy

"sometimes you got to reflect ma man". "workin for momma workin for daddy too doing what we had to do"




"cuz im reflectin' right naooooo"
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: freespirit on July 20, 2011, 09:35:28 AM
What does any of that have to do with you?

Monsanto is one of the greatest things to ever happen to agriculture. 

You're a fucking idiot. HTH  :)
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: ManBearPig... on July 20, 2011, 09:46:03 AM
What does any of that have to do with you?

He has some awesome depressive insight about how the world sucks and there's no point in living, while the rest of us will try to find better things in life and make do and not bitch constantly.

What a bitch this deicide is.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Voice of Doom on July 20, 2011, 10:05:04 AM
Conflict is the creator of all things - Heraclitus
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: The True Adonis on July 20, 2011, 10:21:58 AM
He has some awesome depressive insight about how the world sucks and there's no point in living, while the rest of us will try to find better things in life and make do and not bitch constantly.

What a bitch this deicide is.
I personally think people like that are lacking in their lives and are seeking to put the blame elsewhere so they pick a target or pick up a cause and try to attribute their miserable existence to whatever they perceive as ailing society.  They act as if they were to succeed everything would magically get better.  The amusing thing is, not only are they wasting their time, even if they did get their way, nothing would be any different.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: lesaucer on July 20, 2011, 10:28:34 AM
reasons why im optimist:  training, hoes, hormonas, pineapple juice.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Fortress on July 20, 2011, 10:52:29 AM
Going to hell in a handbasket

Fuck the world. Hail and kill!
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Rami on July 20, 2011, 10:54:20 AM
yes there is
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: wavelength on July 20, 2011, 10:57:05 AM
I think I live in the best time ever in one of the greatest places in the world. No guarantee for happiness though.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Dr Dutch on July 20, 2011, 10:58:26 AM
I think I live in the best time ever in one of the greatest places in the world. No guarantee for happiness though.
I didn't know you live in Holland !!??
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Jussup on July 20, 2011, 10:58:51 AM
Global economic slump, constant wars, etc...

Anyone finding a reason to be optimistic?


You need to dive into the technological potentials of our times.
Whilst facing all those desasters you mention, we are priviliged to live in a century that could be the most important one in human history with technological breakthroughs in nano, biotechnology , AI etc., leading up to the Singularity that will forever change the human condition.  Just read Kurzweil. That helped me a lot in keeping up some belief in humankind. Transhumanism is a nice replacement for obsolete religions anyway.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 20, 2011, 08:54:39 PM
I think I live in the best time ever in one of the greatest places in the world. No guarantee for happiness though.

Oh, you converted to Islam?  ::) ::)
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Wiggs on July 20, 2011, 09:45:57 PM
Dirty skins are ruining the world
USA is destroyed with mexicans and the like
We have rumanians and nigerians here
England has somalians and pakis
France problems stem from algerians and morrocans
Germany have the Turks
Holland has Albanians and algerians

I could go on
Basically country's economic growth are being destroyed by chocolate face immigrants who do nothing but take, take, take

Oh what to do, poor white people... ::)
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Parker on July 20, 2011, 09:49:58 PM
Global economic slump, constant wars, etc...

Anyone finding a reason to be optimistic?
Well,  as one man told me the other day---"A man can come here from another country and literally drown in pussy."

Is that optimism? Think about it----"Man, down..Man down!"
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: pellius on July 20, 2011, 11:12:22 PM
Dirty skins are ruining the world
USA is destroyed with mexicans and the like
We have rumanians and nigerians here
England has somalians and pakis
France problems stem from algerians and morrocans
Germany have the Turks
Holland has Albanians and algerians

I could go on
Basically country's economic growth are being destroyed by chocolate face immigrants who do nothing but take, take, take

Always been an Okami fan.

Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 20, 2011, 11:14:24 PM
Dirty skins are ruining the world
USA is destroyed with mexicans and the like
We have rumanians and nigerians here
England has somalians and pakis
France problems stem from algerians and morrocans
Germany have the Turks
Holland has Albanians and algerians

I could go on
Basically country's economic growth are being destroyed by chocolate face immigrants who do nothing but take, take, take

move to asia, no muslim scum here.  ;D ;D

Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Tito24 on July 20, 2011, 11:39:40 PM
I think I live in the best time ever in one of the greatest places in the world. No guarantee for happiness though.

yes i think holland is one of the best places to live in this world
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 20, 2011, 11:44:22 PM
yes i think holland is one of the best places to live in this world

x2
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on July 21, 2011, 03:28:19 AM
move to asia, no muslim scum here.  ;D ;D


Seriously considering it
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 21, 2011, 03:33:25 AM
Seriously considering it

Nihon e youkoso!
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Dr Dutch on July 21, 2011, 12:02:09 PM
x2
:D
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 22, 2011, 10:47:45 PM
:D


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Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: freespirit on July 22, 2011, 11:15:31 PM
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Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 22, 2011, 11:18:03 PM
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Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Tapeworm on July 23, 2011, 06:36:57 AM
Well... there's always love.  ;D
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: njanvi on July 23, 2011, 06:51:43 AM
Every generation has believed they are living in the end times...exactly y history is littered with mass suicides.
As for me, there is no other time that I rather be alive than right now and I'm convinced that same will b true for my children and their children
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Spicoli on July 23, 2011, 09:38:39 AM
Wat een kut land.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Dr Dutch on July 23, 2011, 09:40:23 AM

(http://detoetjesman.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/imag0127.jpg)
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: stuntmovie on July 23, 2011, 10:07:56 AM
YES! SOME OF YOU GUYS AND GALS submit stuff that encourages me to be optimistic, but then others make me feel that we are heading to hell in a hand-basket.

But the good overcome the bad when it's set on a scale and weighed.

As as 'aside' it's somewhat evident that we GetBiggers can be placed in three (3) categories:

1. Those who hate what others are able to achieve and display a great amount of jealousy.

2. Those who can give a care less about the achievement of others and live their own lives.

3. Those who show respect and try their best to emulate the achievements of others.

And many In-betweens.

But all-in-all I see some form of new formed smartness in what some of you guys and gals have to say on this board.

But also a lot of 'dumbness' too .... which makes for interesting reading.

Submitted with respect to each of us who feel what we have to say is damn important for the world to hear.

But most of the time it ain't.





Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Dr Dutch on July 23, 2011, 10:15:09 AM
Wat een kut land.
Don't unleash The Badger... >:(
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Spicoli on July 28, 2011, 01:11:49 PM
Don't unleash The Badger... >:(

grappje jongen.................. ......




































trouwens wie is the badger je billen matje?  :o
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Board_SHERIF on July 28, 2011, 06:34:50 PM
Generation Degeneration WalMart  :-[
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Parker on July 28, 2011, 06:49:13 PM
Was listening to a Democracy Now radio show and they were talking about how people are addicted ro technology, and this one guy went to China and pretended to be an addict, and check himself into a technology addiction clinic...he said it was bad...
There have been accounts of people spending 12 hrs a day playing video games or online, and neglecting children or themselves...
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Natural Man on July 28, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
if you have a life, various significant relationships, you dont focus on geopolitics much, you re too focused on real everyday stuff. If you re part of a microcosm etc, engaged in groups etc. I suspect deicide spend way too much time alone behind his computer and think too much.

Do you have friends, a gf, do you have frequent and positive relationships with your parents/grandparents?  How s your relationship with your father?
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: CalvinH on July 29, 2011, 06:47:27 AM
Yes there is reason to be optimistic.


I haven't seen a post from decide in days.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Natural Man on July 29, 2011, 07:02:01 AM
Yes there is reason to be optimistic.


I haven't seen a post from decide in days.



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Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Mick33 on July 29, 2011, 07:05:35 AM
Oh what to do, poor white people... ::)

 ;D
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Man of Steel on July 29, 2011, 07:52:51 AM
if you have a life, various significant relationships, you dont focus on geopolitics much, you re too focused on real everyday stuff. If you re part of a microcosm etc, engaged in groups etc. I suspect deicide spend way too much time alone behind his computer and think too much.

Do you have friends, a gf, do you have frequent and positive relationships with your parents/grandparents?  How s your relationship with your father?

I agree with this.  In my life it's God, family/friends, career and everything else.  It's my experience that the happiest folks are those engaged in family/friends the majority of the time.  I have no quarrels with parents, siblings, friends, etc....certainly we disgree from time to time.  I only have resources enough to truly impact my own family (and all it's needs), my church and aspects of my local community.  I focus on what I can positively impact each day and do my best to keep a smile on my face for myself and others around me.  Do something nice for a stranger once a while and then repeat that process over and over and see if your mood doesn't improve.  There's always gonna be problems and stress, but I believe it comes down to how will filter and process all of it. We can't dictate the terms of every facet of our lives, but we control our personal levels of optimism (or pessimism). 
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 29, 2011, 08:12:05 AM
Yes there is reason to be optimistic.


I haven't seen a post from decide in days.


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: oldtimer1 on July 29, 2011, 08:14:16 AM
In the US we manufacture next to nothing.  Everything is made in China so there are no jobs for Americans.  We are moving to a socialist government where amount of people  getting some form of a government check is growing rapidly. The trouble with this is that you run out of other people's money. There aren't enough workers.

 North Korea is selling nuclear information to the highest bidder to keep them afloat in money.  China is about to be the sole number one economic power in the world in less than ten years.  Iraq has the bomb and it will spread to other Arabic countries.  

On a good note the interest rates are low. For now.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 29, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In the US we manufacture next to nothing.  Everything is made in China so there are no jobs for Americans.  We are moving to a socialist government where amount of people  getting some form of a government check is growing rapidly. The trouble with this is that you run out of other people's money. There aren't enough workers.

 North Korea is selling nuclear information to the highest bidder to keep them afloat in money.  China is about to be the sole number one economic power in the world in less than ten years.  Iraq has the bomb and it will spread to other Arabic countries.  

On a good note the interest rates are low. For now.

If Iraq has the bomb, maybe it is time to start a war and invade the country?  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Natural Man on July 29, 2011, 08:19:10 AM
Europe is the same, people getting replaced by africans, middle east and ex urss trash. Occidentals (white people) get depressed after having it all for too long, loose the taste of life and dont reproduce or/and teach indirectly or openly tell their kids not to reproduce. At the same time the southern world population is heading north with the help of our elites who see more profits in the making with people wanting to work more for less...At the same time medias portray mulitucluralism and ethnic mixing as the new trend. Just ask the white lower and middle social classes of europe and north america what it's like to live with people who came from the stone age just two days ago and are the biggest racists on earth, with 0 education other than the coran.  Stoned whiteys have no more values, morals, energy, they re fascinated by the will to dominate and get their revenge of the third worlders. These people have nothing to lose and everything to win, so they dont give a fuck, they ll use every strategies, even ours, against us to get as much as possible without giving anything in return. This is how all empires, civilizations, sink into oblivion.

The world is becoming a giant country, where you can go everywhere as long as someone needs you to pay you less than the local guys and girls. All social classes are noew mixing together; there's one world's elite, one world's middle class, one world's poor class. It's only the beginning but it's the way it's heading. Basically nothing changed much, now with globalization it's just everything mixed together. The only difference is that we re all fighting against each others when previously we were only fighting against our neighbours, or countrymen.

For a long time it's still better to live in north america than in europe, the uk or australia or russia for white people. This will be the last bastion, rampart of occidentals.

Tolkien's work on Lotr was quite prophetic.  Somehow the elves are asians, the humans are white caucasians, and the orcs and others thugs are blacks , muslims, arabs, pakis etc Caucasians have traitors like saruman, old corrupt assholes who want to destroy their own race = white elites/politicians.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Stavios on July 29, 2011, 08:23:46 AM
the world is going to shit.
People are egoist and don't fucking care about anyone but themself.

I applied for a job right, so the interview went well and now they are send a questionnaire about me to my 2 employers so have opinions of me.

one of them replied by the hour he got the email and wrote some nice things about me.

the club I am working at on week-ends, they received the email thuesday and they haven't replied for shit yet.

NOTHING

I asked them politely yesterday if they could hurry up because it was important for me, and they told me they were busy (club people get up at 3 pm and they don't do shit all day until 10 pm usually...)
they ask a fuck load from me and I never complain and I ask them 30 minutes of their time and I am not worth it..
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 29, 2011, 08:39:35 AM
Europe is the same, people getting replaced by africans, middle east and ex urss trash. Occidentals (white people) get depressed after having it all for too long, loose the taste of life and dont reproduce or/and teach indirectly or openly tell their kids not to reproduce. At the same time the southern world population is heading north with the help of our elites who see more profits in the making with people wanting to work more for less...At the same time medias portray mulitucluralism and ethnic mixing as the new trend. Just ask the white lower and middle social classes of europe and north america what it's like to live with people who came from the stone age just two days ago and are the biggest racists on earth, with 0 education other than the coran.  Stoned whiteys have no more values, morals, energy, they re fascinated by the will to dominate and get their revenge of the third worlders. These people have nothing to lose and everything to win, so they dont give a fuck, they ll use every strategies, even ours, against us to get as much as possible without giving anything in return. This is how all empires, civilizations, sink into oblivion.

The world is becoming a giant country, where you can go everywhere as long as someone needs you to pay you less than the local guys and girls. All social classes are noew mixing together; there's one world's elite, one world's middle class, one world's poor class. It's only the beginning but it's the way it's heading. Basically nothing changed much, now with globalization it's just everything mixed together. The only difference is that we re all fighting against each others when previously we were only fighting against our neighbours, or countrymen.

For a long time it's still better to live in north america than in europe, the uk or australia or russia for white people. This will be the last bastion, rampart of occidentals.

Tolkien's work on Lotr was quite prophetic.  Somehow the elves are asians, the humans are white caucasians, and the orcs and others thugs are blacks , muslims, arabs, pakis etc Caucasians have traitors like saruman, old corrupt assholes who want to destroy their own race = white elites/politicians.

nice!!
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Man of Steel on July 29, 2011, 08:44:17 AM
Europe is the same, people getting replaced by africans, middle east and ex urss trash. Occidentals (white people) get depressed after having it all for too long, loose the taste of life and dont reproduce or/and teach indirectly or openly tell their kids not to reproduce. At the same time the southern world population is heading north with the help of our elites who see more profits in the making with people wanting to work more for less...At the same time medias portray mulitucluralism and ethnic mixing as the new trend. Just ask the white lower and middle social classes of europe and north america what it's like to live with people who came from the stone age just two days ago and are the biggest racists on earth, with 0 education other than the coran.  Stoned whiteys have no more values, morals, energy, they re fascinated by the will to dominate and get their revenge of the third worlders. These people have nothing to lose and everything to win, so they dont give a fuck, they ll use every strategies, even ours, against us to get as much as possible without giving anything in return. This is how all empires, civilizations, sink into oblivion.

The world is becoming a giant country, where you can go everywhere as long as someone needs you to pay you less than the local guys and girls. All social classes are noew mixing together; there's one world's elite, one world's middle class, one world's poor class. It's only the beginning but it's the way it's heading. Basically nothing changed much, now with globalization it's just everything mixed together. The only difference is that we re all fighting against each others when previously we were only fighting against our neighbours, or countrymen.

For a long time it's still better to live in north america than in europe, the uk or australia or russia for white people. This will be the last bastion, rampart of occidentals.

Tolkien's work on Lotr was quite prophetic.  Somehow the elves are asians, the humans are white caucasians, and the orcs and others thugs are blacks , muslims, arabs, pakis etc Caucasians have traitors like saruman, old corrupt assholes who want to destroy their own race = white elites/politicians.

What are the hobbits?
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Natural Man on July 29, 2011, 08:46:26 AM
What are the hobbits?
i'd say what remains of nationalist, religious europeans, russians, who still have traditional values, do not live in cities and still have a lot of kids.

Elves would be japanese in fact, a highly evolved and raffined yet alomst dying race, as chinese and other asians are clearely on the bad guys side, siding most of the time with muslims and russian mafias to steal techs, weapons and fuck the west in the ass every little chance they have.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on July 29, 2011, 08:55:39 AM
It is the best of times, it is the worst of times.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: deadz on July 29, 2011, 02:49:21 PM
Times suck for most and soon those who depend on govt. handouts are really fucked.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Tapeworm on July 29, 2011, 07:30:57 PM
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Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Natural Man on July 29, 2011, 08:44:45 PM
(http://www.oil-paintings.com.au/upload1/file-admin/images/new9/Titian-458692.jpg)
they give birth.. to war and death.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 29, 2011, 08:47:27 PM
Are you a christian, uberman? Do you believe in that God/Jesus?
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Natural Man on July 29, 2011, 09:00:46 PM
Are you a christian, uberman? Do you believe in that God/Jesus?

I ve read about buddhism, all kinds of ancient philosophies, rationnalism, psychology, psychanalysis, theology, anthropology, ethology, of course i ve studied biology, physic and maths too etc and nowhere did i found the proof a god exists or doenst exists.

The only thing i 'know' is that there are good people and evil people, and that most of the times they ve been conditionned to be either good or evil by their own past influences, parents, grandparents etc, which means they didnt even choose to be who they are or act the way they do. Most evil people arent aware they are, to them the way they interact with others is just normal, considering that's how they ve been raised. There are some universal values that can be shared by everyone tho, well it's called humanism.
 Again we do not choose anything. We have very limited freedom, we re all here to study, work , contribute to the whole thing that generated us, reproduce, die just like other animals. We re all programmed to execute automatical functions (eat, sleep, drink, shit, fuck, reproduce,work) that keep us alive long enough to give birth to offsprings and to teach them how to survive so they can give births to offsprings too and so on. Sometimes happiness, joy occurs in the middle of all of this, when your odds of survival seem good and when you dont have to worry about eating, sleeping etc. But in occident as people get richer and richer, they paradoxally get dumber and unhappier than ever, even with all their material possessions. We re living like kings compared to ours ancestors, yet are as if not even more sad.

To me intelligence in humans is just a better of way communicating with each others while other animal species only grunt and roar. We discuss, invented languages, more complex ways of dominating our environment, but the ultimate goals are still the same, dominate, raise socially, fuck, eat, drink, reproduce, share knowledges with offsprings, build shelters, protect us from weather, travel from a place to another etc, to insure our own survival and the survival of our offsprings.
I believe in humanism, i 'believe' we are social animals, wich means we are animals who try to cooperate a bit more often than other animal species, but that it doesnt take long to figure most humans would still kill their neighbours instead of being killed if they d be forced to if for example ressources were getting scarce.
I still didnt make up my mind between the scientific explanation of life (evolution, natural selection) and the religious one. The fact that without evil, goodness looses its meaning, and vice versa. It means there will never be heaven on earth because if everything was perfect, it wouldnt make sense anymore, considering evil gives its meaning to Goodness. How can we explain that? To me both heaven and hell exist at the same time on earth, you just have to pick your side when you re an educated adult who freed himself from his past negative conditionnings he didnt choose.
Everything is very controversial when you think about it. Doctors must be happy every morning that people are getting sick, cause it gives them a reason to exist, it's quite paradoxal isnt it? yet it's the truth. Without sick people, there would be no need for them. Can we say they prey on sick people, that they are assholes?
 One thing is sure religious people (genuine ones) create happier and more contributing individuals in our societies, while atheists are compulively obsessed by their little existence, materialism and hedonism. Religious people want to reproduce because they have faith in themselves and life as a whole, while atheists dont give the taste of life to their kids who as a result do not want to reproduce, hence occidentals getting replaced by third worlders.
At the end of the day we re all animals trying to survive at all costs and we re only trying to cooperate if we can get something out of it for ourselves.
Spiritual, humanist, social animals, for those who are educated. For those who arent, we can clearely say they re just animals. They survive at the expense of others. Problem is when these people are too numerous.

There s some kind of perfection in the way everything works, in the way everything little piece is connected to all the others, in the way you always get something depending of the way you acted originally. The law of karma, causes, consequences. Basically all religions and philosophies say the same things about all of this.
I believe we re the sum of what precedes us; both psychically and physically. Nothing more, nothing less. 'I' is just the sum of automatisms and conditionnings inherited by those who spawned, who inherited them from those who spawned them, and so on. I believe the only absolute is that everything is relative and that we re just machine programmed to adapt, that our brains are computers that exist for the sole purpose of calculating how to adapt the best way to your environments, so life keeps going on, and on, and on, and on etc. Sometimes i feel like life is perfectly just, at other times i feel like it's absolutely unfair. How to justify a kid would be given birth in a fucking african shithole and die of malnutrition after a one month or two, while another is born in north america, live for 30 years, being spoonfed and spoiled beyond belief, and ends killing himself because his parents didnt love him.
The more I age, the more i believe there has to be an explanation for everything, because thinking there might be none would be too depressing.
Once adults, and especially once parents, we have the opportunity to create, shape life, from scratch just like God himself. That's another incredible thing.
So did someone give us all these opportunities (it would be our mother and father!) or did we build the belief there was someone who gave us these opportunities?
I think natural selection shaped , wired our brains so we take pleasure in reproducing and raising our kids, if not, we wouldnt want to do it, and life wouldnt make any sense at all. So is hapiness, and our constant search for it, just a product of evolution, or a right given to us by some invisible force? Is this force good or evil? Arent good and evil themselves products of evolution that shaped, wired our brains that way?
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Parker on July 29, 2011, 09:10:51 PM
nice!!
I'm too handsome to be an Orc...
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: DK II on July 29, 2011, 09:15:16 PM
I'm too handsome to be an Orc...

Seriously, i don't get this guy "uberman"....

He's not dumb, but who the fuck makes lengthy philosophical posts on a bodybuilding board full of retards all day long??

Doesn't he have friends? (rethorical question).
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 29, 2011, 09:29:03 PM
I ve read about buddhism, all kinds of ancient philosophies, rationnalism, psychology, psychanalysis, theology, anthropology, ethology, of course i ve studied biology, physic and maths too etc and nowhere did i found the proof a god exists or doenst exists.

The only thing i 'know' is that there are good people and evil people, and that most of the times they ve been conditionned to be either good or evil by their own past influences, parents, grandparents etc, which means they didnt even choose to be who they are or act the way they do. Most evil people arent aware they are, to them the way they interact with others is just normal, considering that's how they ve been raised. There are some universal values that can be shared by everyone tho, well it's called humanism.
 Again we do not choose anything. We have very limited freedom, we re all here to study, work , contribute to the whole thing that generated us, reproduce, die just like other animals. We re all programmed to execute automatical functions (eat, sleep, drink, shit, fuck, reproduce,work) that keep us alive long enough to give birth to offsprings and to teach them how to survive so they can give births to offsprings too and so on. Sometimes happiness, joy occurs in the middle of all of this, when your odds of survival seem good and when you dont have to worry about eating, sleeping etc. But in occident as people get richer and richer, they paradoxally get dumber and unhappier than ever, even with all their material possessions. We re living like kings compared to ours ancestors, yet are as if not even more sad.

To me intelligence in humans is just a better of way communicating with each others while other animal species only grunt and roar. We discuss, invented languages, more complex ways of dominating our environment, but the ultimate goals are still the same, dominate, raise socially, fuck, eat, drink, reproduce, share knowledges with offsprings, build shelters, protect us from weather, travel from a place to another etc, to insure our own survival and the survival of our offsprings.
I believe in humanism, i 'believe' we are social animals, wich means we are animals who try to cooperate a bit more often than other animal species, but that it doesnt take long to figure most humans would still kill their neighbours instead of being killed if they d be forced to if for example ressources were getting scarce.
I still didnt make up my mind between the scientific explanation of life (evolution, natural selection) and the religious one. One thing is sure religious people (genuine ones) create happier and more contributing individuals in our societies, while atheists are compulively obsessed by their little existence, materialism and hedonism. Religious people want to reproduce because they have faith in themselves and life as a whole, while atheists dont give the taste of life to their kids who as a result do not want to reproduce, hence occidentals getting replaced by third worlders.
At the end of the day we re all animals trying to survive at all costs and we re only trying to cooperate if we can get something out of it for ourselves.
Spiritual, humanist, social animals, for those who are educated. For those who arent, we can clearely say they re just animals.

There s some kind of perfection in the way everything works, in the way everything little piece is connected to all the others, in the way you always get something depending of the way you acted originally. The law of karma, causes, consequences. Basically all religions and philosophies say the same things about all of this.

So in other words, you're too smart to buy into the narrow and fantastic worldview that is Christianity and other religions. But you see that they are "good" for society so you endorse them for the masses? :D

I see where you are coming from.

Regarding intelligence and survival, I read this work by Peter Wessel Zapffe that gave me pause and fits here.

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One night in long bygone times, man awoke and saw himself.

He saw that he was naked under cosmos, homeless in his own body. All things dissolved before his testing thought, wonder above wonder, horror above horror unfolded in his mind.

Then woman too awoke and said it was time to go and slay. And he fetched his bow and arrow, a fruit of the marriage of spirit and hand, and went outside beneath the stars. But as the beasts arrived at their waterholes where he expected them of habit, he felt no more the tiger's bound in his blood, but a great psalm about the brotherhood of suffering between everything alive.

That day he did not return with prey, and when they found him by the next moon, he was sitting dead by the waterhole.
http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/The_Last_Messiah

 :D



Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Natural Man on July 29, 2011, 09:33:10 PM
Very, very interesting read Van.

 
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So in other words, you're too smart to buy into the narrow and fantastic worldview that is Christianity and other religions. But you see that they are "good" for society so you endorse them for the masses? Cheesy

I see where you are coming from.
How am i smart to not believe in things that would make me feel happier? I absolutely dont feel smart.
Who doesnt wish once an adult who ve been there, done that for a while, that he had never grown up and had stayed in a world where everything was nice and magical under the reassuring and limitless protection of the first god, aka our mothers. Yet we all have to understand life the harsch way, if we want to be able to ...reproduce it. So many people are lost in this path. So many die, or live in hell alone.

Who can seriously say scientists, or religious people, are 'right' or 'wrong' ? I can't. At this point you re wondering if everything isnt just an illusion if neither makes sense, if there's no good, no evil, and you end writing scripts for movies like the matrix etc. but everyone expect an happy ending nonetheless, a...sense, a positive sense! Wathever it looks like. When nothing makes sense anymore, you wish you had faith! Because you know that those who have faith actually always hope and keep life...alive. They are the ones who survive, and adapt, they are the perfect machines doing what they are suposed to do without questionning the whole thing.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Tapeworm on July 30, 2011, 02:51:16 AM
they give birth.. to war and death.

Easy there, Giorgio Vasari.
Title: Re: These days, is there ANY reason to be optimistic about the world?
Post by: Parker on July 30, 2011, 02:54:23 AM
Seriously, i don't get this guy "uberman"....

He's not dumb, but who the fuck makes lengthy philosophical posts on a bodybuilding board full of Orcs all day long??

Doesn't he have friends? (rethorical question).
When you have Orcs around you---you are GOD amongst them