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Source: CNN
BREAKING: Obama to address nation on debt ceiling
By: CNN Wire Staff
(CNN) - President Barack Obama will deliver remarks on the debt ceiling negotiations at 9 p.m. ET Monday night, according to White House Press Secretary Jay Carney.
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Blame bush, blame boehner, blame rush, blame palin, blah blah ah.
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blame palin
Yeah, halting that bus tour did have an impact upon the economy, but not a huge one.
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"My fellow Americans, based on the events of the last several days perhaps even weeks, I have come to the conclusion that I'm in way over my head. Therefore effective on 1 Aug, I...Barrack H. Obama will step down from the office of the President. The Vice President will also step down and we all know he's a blithering idiot. The lesson all Americans must draw from my sad and failed administration is that liberalism as regards its place in the American political systems amounts to traitorous behaivor. The Speaker of the House will take control of the country and special elections will be held this year. I regret my actions and pray you can all forgive me for almost driving this greatest of nations over a cliff. God bless you and God bless America..."
Short of that he ought to shut the fuck up.
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The more he talks, the worse it gets. His poll numbers must be horrible beyond belief.
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didn't 38 repubs just sign a pledge telling Boehnner to piss off? he's lost control too.
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Republicans: "The Federal Government has gotten too large and amassed too much power. Government spending is out of control. The National Debt is a threat to our children's futures. Our entitlement programs are unsustainable in their current fashion. We need to reduce our spending now. We need to pay down the National Debt. And we need to reform our entitlement programs so they will be there in the future."
Democrats: "THE REPUBLICANS ARE CRAZY!!!!
THE TEA PARTY IS RACIST!!
PAUL RYAN WANTS TO KILL YOUR GRANDMA!!!
WE'RE THE ADULTS!!!
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What could this idiot possibly say to matter one iota at this point?
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Breaking news? Good joke, Obama dicksucker. How many press conferences does this guy have to give? Anything to save face from the mountain of reports obliterating him that were put out today.
A lame duck who has ceded power to Piglosi and Dingy Reid.
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First thing out of his mouth was blame Bush, lol.
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And just blamed Repubs for why there is no deal right now.
This is better than comedy central.
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And just blamed Repubs for why there is no deal right now.
This is better than comedy central.
He's got to save face. He's been getting shredded in the media today. He's a lame-duck.
I give you props for even watching it.
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He's got to save face. He's been getting shredded in the media today. He's a lame-duck.
I give you props for even watching it.
lol. watching and posting from the netbook.
3 blame Repubs and 1 jet owner - big surprise.
Got some serious fear-mongering going on too.
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lol. watching and posting from the netbook.
3 blame Repubs and 1 jet owner - big surprise.
Got some serious fear-mongering going on too.
So he's rehashing every other speech he's given over the last few weeks? Why is this asshole even wasting our time? Oh, that's right. Needs to look like he's still relevant as all the news reports are lambasting him for being cast aside as a useless, lame-duck douche bag.
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So he's rehashing every other speech he's given over the last few weeks? Why is this asshole even wasting our time? Oh, that's right. Needs to look like he's still relevant as all the news reports are lambasting him for being cast aside as a useless, lame-duck douche bag.
Pretty much. Quoted some former Presidents, blah, blah.
All over now and we know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW.
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At the yankee game - what I miss? Lmao.
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boehner up now
laying down an ass whooping
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pointing out the House plan
balanced budget amendment
And Barry's threatened veto, lol
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boehner up now
laying down an ass whooping
Everything I've read today pointed to Boehner pinning Obama in a corner.
Hope Obama's ready to swallow what the Boehner's shooting.
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Obama just refuses to cut spending and deal w debt issues.
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Great rebuttal, and he didn't even cry.
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Obama just refuses to cut spending and deal w debt issues.
He doesn't know how to. He actually had the audacity to present a proposal that would cut TWO BILLION. He's a clueless fuck.
Great rebuttal, and he didn't even cry.
The Boner definitely looked like more of a politician than the fear-mongering twat.
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All that shit he said was yesterday...Congress (both sides) are working past him. Boener and Reid are closer together then anything ol Barry mentioned. Yet another campaign speech to nowhere.
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i watched THE CLOSER on TNT. did i miss anything in the speeches?
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i watched THE CLOSER on TNT. did i miss anything in the speeches?
Did you ever!
Let's see, where to begin:
Obama solved the debt crisis that ONLY Bush put us in. Rich & poor are living in perfect harmony. Education & healthcare are now totally free. And, there was no campaign rhetoric against the evil Republicans who refuse to compromise and want to stop social security recipients and veterans' from getting their pay.
Truly an amazing speech - and you lost out...
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Did you ever!
Let's see, where to begin:
Obama solved the debt crisis that ONLY Bush put us in. Rich & poor are living in perfect harmony. Education & healthcare are now totally free. And, there was no campaign rhetoric against the evil Republicans who refuse to compromise and want to stop social security recipients and veterans' from getting their pay.
Truly an amazing speech - and you lost out...
shit. sounds like a good speech.
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Blame bush, blame boehner, blame rush, blame palin, blah blah ah.
I'm not completely blaming Bush, but that son of a bitch contributed to a lot of this bullshit.
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I'm not completely blaming Bush, but that son of a bitch contributed to a lot of this bullshit.
He did, but you can't keep using the It's Bush's fault line... You have to do what you think it takes to get past it and move forward. You can't keep going to the "Under Bush" well for years and years.
It's time to move on.
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He did, but you can't keep using the It's Bush's fault line... You have to do what you think it takes to get past it and move forward. You can't keep going to the "Under Bush" well for years and years.
It's time to move on.
Trust me, I've moved on, but I'm certainly not going to forget that bastard GWB.
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Trust me, I've moved on, but I'm certainly not going to forget that bastard GWB.
I won't either... and I certainly don't think we were better off with Bush around.
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I won't either... and I certainly don't think we were better off with Bush around.
Cool, good to know I'm not the only one!!!
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No more excuses.
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Sad. To the mainstream public who don't follow this crap, he actually sounded reasonable.
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So what did mini maddoff have to say?
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So what did mini maddoff have to say?
I believe he said bald white guys who buy 75 rifles are what's wrong with america.
I don't think he meant you personally. Well, maybe he did, I dont know.
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I believe he said bald white guys who buy 75 rifles are what's wrong with america.
I don't think he meant you personally. Well, maybe he did, I dont know.
I hope he did. I heard he mentioned the private jets again. Funny how this commie skell has no problem screwing the taxpayer for millions on a taxpayer funded jet to go fundraising from fat cats.
What scumbag and slug he is, as are those who voted him and still support him.
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I hope he did. I heard he mentioned the private jets again. Funny how this commie skell has no problem screwing the taxpayer for millions on a taxpayer funded jet to go fundraising from fat cats.
Did bush, Clinton, Bush and Reagan also use AF1 to get to fundraisers?
I'd guess yes.
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Did bush, Clinton, Bush and Reagan also use AF1 to get to fundraisers?
I'd guess yes.
I'd guess every incumbent president looking for re-election probably used tax payer funded transport to go on the campaign trail.
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Did bush, Clinton, Bush and Reagan also use AF1 to get to fundraisers?
I'd guess yes.
Did they spend every waking moment trashing jet owners?
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Did they spend every waking moment trashing jet owners?
lol... youre seriously concerned about jet owners being offended by obama's words now?
what would clint eastwood do? what would charlton heston do?
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Its symbolic of the hypocrisy of your messiah.
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I'm not completely blaming Bush, but that son of a bitch contributed to a lot of this bullshit.
WRONG. Bush's spending certainly wasnt ideal, but it was very MANAGABLE. He has absolutely nothing to do with this pathetic situation with the threatened downgrade of our AAA rating. If you wouldnt much rather have Bush now than this nimrod in the White House you deserve everything you are getting now.
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The headline should be: "Whore to address nation." All politicians are whores.
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Full Text of President Obama's Speech
Monday, 25 Jul 2011 09:26 PM
WASHINGTON - The following is the full text of President Barack Obama's Monday evening address on the debt ceiling impasse in Washington, as prepared for delivery:
Good evening. Tonight, I want to talk about the debate we've been having in Washington over the national debt - a debate that directly affects the lives of all Americans.
For the last decade, we have spent more money than we take in. In the year 2000, the government had a budget surplus. But instead of using it to pay off our debt, the money was spent on trillions of dollars in new tax cuts, while two wars and an expensive prescription drug program were simply added to our nation's credit card.
As a result, the deficit was on track to top $1 trillion the year I took office. To make matters worse, the recession meant that there was less money coming in, and it required us to spend even more - on tax cuts for middle-class families; on unemployment insurance; on aid to states so we could prevent more teachers and firefighters and police officers from being laid off. These emergency steps also added to the deficit.
Now, every family knows that a little credit card debt is manageable. But if we stay on the current path, our growing debt could cost us jobs and do serious damage to the economy. More of our tax dollars will go toward paying off the interest on our loans. Businesses will be less likely to open up shop and hire workers in a country that can't balance its books. Interest rates could climb for everyone who borrows money - the homeowner with a mortgage, the student with a college loan, the corner store that wants to expand. And we won't have enough money to make job-creating investments in things like education and infrastructure, or pay for vital programs like Medicare and Medicaid.
Because neither party is blameless for the decisions that led to this problem, both parties have a responsibility to solve it. And over the last several months, that's what we've been trying to do. I won't bore you with the details of every plan or proposal, but basically, the debate has centered around two different approaches.
The first approach says, let's live within our means by making serious, historic cuts in government spending. Let's cut domestic spending to the lowest level it's been since Dwight Eisenhower was President. Let's cut defense spending at the Pentagon by hundreds of billions of dollars. Let's cut out the waste and fraud in health care programs like Medicare - and at the same time, let's make modest adjustments so that Medicare is still there for future generations. Finally, let's ask the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations to give up some of their tax breaks and special deductions.
This balanced approach asks everyone to give a little without requiring anyone to sacrifice too much. It would reduce the deficit by around $4 trillion and put us on a path to pay down our debt. And the cuts wouldn't happen so abruptly that they'd be a drag on our economy, or prevent us from helping small business and middle-class families get back on their feet right now.
This approach is also bipartisan. While many in my own party aren't happy with the painful cuts it makes, enough will be willing to accept them if the burden is fairly shared. While Republicans might like to see deeper cuts and no revenue at all, there are many in the Senate who have said "Yes, I'm willing to put politics aside and consider this approach because I care about solving the problem." And to his credit, this is the kind of approach the Republican Speaker of the House, John Boehner, was working on with me over the last several weeks.
The only reason this balanced approach isn't on its way to becoming law right now is because a significant number of Republicans in Congress are insisting on a cuts-only approach - an approach that doesn't ask the wealthiest Americans or biggest corporations to contribute anything at all. And because nothing is asked of those at the top of the income scales, such an approach would close the deficit only with more severe cuts to programs we all care about - cuts that place a greater burden on working families.
So the debate right now isn't about whether we need to make tough choices. Democrats and Republicans agree on the amount of deficit reduction we need. The debate is about how it should be done. Most Americans, regardless of political party, don't understand how we can ask a senior citizen to pay more for her Medicare before we ask corporate jet owners and oil companies to give up tax breaks that other companies don't get. How can we ask a student to pay more for college before we ask hedge fund managers to stop paying taxes at a lower rate than their secretaries? How can we slash funding for education and clean energy before we ask people like me to give up tax breaks we don't need and didn't ask for?
That's not right. It's not fair. We all want a government that lives within its means, but there are still things we need to pay for as a country - things like new roads and bridges; weather satellites and food inspection; services to veterans and medical research.
Keep in mind that under a balanced approach, the 98% of Americans who make under $250,000 would see no tax increases at all. None. In fact, I want to extend the payroll tax cut for working families. What we're talking about under a balanced approach is asking Americans whose incomes have gone up the most over the last decade - millionaires and billionaires - to share in the sacrifice everyone else has to make. And I think these patriotic Americans are willing to pitch in. In fact, over the last few decades, they've pitched in every time we passed a bipartisan deal to reduce the deficit. The first time a deal passed, a predecessor of mine made the case for a balanced approach by saying this:
"Would you rather reduce deficits and interest rates by raising revenue from those who are not now paying their fair share, or would you rather accept larger budget deficits, higher interest rates, and higher unemployment? And I think I know your answer."
Those words were spoken by Ronald Reagan. But today, many Republicans in the House refuse to consider this kind of balanced approach - an approach that was pursued not only by President Reagan, but by the first President Bush, President Clinton, myself, and many Democrats and Republicans in the United States Senate. So we are left with a stalemate.
Now, what makes today's stalemate so dangerous is that it has been tied to something known as the debt ceiling - a term that most people outside of Washington have probably never heard of before.
Understand - raising the debt ceiling does not allow Congress to spend more money. It simply gives our country the ability to pay the bills that Congress has already racked up.
In the past, raising the debt ceiling was routine. Since the 1950s, Congress has always passed it, and every President has signed it. President Reagan did it 18 times. George W. Bush did it 7 times. And we have to do it by next Tuesday, August 2nd, or else we won't be able to pay all of our bills.
Unfortunately, for the past several weeks, Republican House members have essentially said that the only way they'll vote to prevent America's first-ever default is if the rest of us agree to their deep, spending cuts-only approach.
If that happens, and we default, we would not have enough money to pay all of our bills - bills that include monthly Social Security checks, veterans' benefits, and the government contracts we've signed with thousands of businesses.
For the first time in history, our country's Triple A credit rating would be downgraded, leaving investors around the world to wonder whether the United States is still a good bet.
Interest rates would skyrocket on credit cards, mortgages, and car loans, which amounts to a huge tax hike on the American people. We would risk sparking a deep economic crisis - one caused almost entirely by Washington.
Defaulting on our obligations is a reckless and irresponsible outcome to this debate. And Republican leaders say that they agree we must avoid default. But the new approach that Speaker Boehner unveiled today, which would temporarily extend the debt ceiling in exchange for spending cuts, would force us to once again face the threat of default just six months from now. In other words, it doesn't solve the problem.
First of all, a six-month extension of the debt ceiling might not be enough to avoid a credit downgrade and the higher interest rates that all Americans would have to pay as a result. We know what we have to do to reduce our deficits; there's no point in putting the economy at risk by kicking the can further down the road.
But there's an even greater danger to this approach. Based on what we've seen these past few weeks, we know what to expect six months from now. The House will once again refuse to prevent default unless the rest of us accept their cuts-only approach. Again, they will refuse to ask the wealthiest Americans to give up their tax cuts or deductions. Again, they will demand harsh cuts to programs like Medicare. And once again, the economy will be held captive unless they get their way.
That is no way to run the greatest country on Earth. It is a dangerous game we've never played before, and we can't afford to play it now. Not when the jobs and livelihoods of so many families are at stake. We can't allow the American people to become collateral damage to Washington's political warfare.
Congress now has one week left to act, and there are still paths forward. The Senate has introduced a plan to avoid default, which makes a down payment on deficit reduction and ensures that we don't have to go through this again in six months.
I think that's a much better path, although serious deficit reduction would still require us to tackle the tough challenges of entitlement and tax reform. Either way, I have told leaders of both parties that they must come up with a fair compromise in the next few days that can pass both houses of Congress - a compromise I can sign. And I am confident we can reach this compromise. Despite our disagreements, Republican leaders and I have found common ground before. And I believe that enough members of both parties will ultimately put politics aside and help us make progress.
I realize that a lot of the new members of Congress and I don't see eye-to-eye on many issues. But we were each elected by some of the same Americans for some of the same reasons. Yes, many want government to start living within its means. And many are fed up with a system in which the deck seems stacked against middle-class Americans in favor of the wealthiest few. But do you know what people are fed up with most of all?
They're fed up with a town where compromise has become a dirty word. They work all day long, many of them scraping by, just to put food on the table. And when these Americans come home at night, bone-tired, and turn on the news, all they see is the same partisan three-ring circus here in Washington. They see leaders who can't seem to come together and do what it takes to make life just a little bit better for ordinary Americans. They are offended by that. And they should be.
The American people may have voted for divided government, but they didn't vote for a dysfunctional government. So I'm asking you all to make your voice heard. If you want a balanced approach to reducing the deficit, let your Member of Congress know. If you believe we can solve this problem through compromise, send that message.
America, after all, has always been a grand experiment in compromise. As a democracy made up of every race and religion, where every belief and point of view is welcomed, we have put to the test time and again the proposition at the heart of our founding: that out of many, we are one. We have engaged in fierce and passionate debates about the issues of the day, but from slavery to war, from civil liberties to questions of economic justice, we have tried to live by the words that Jefferson once wrote: "Every man cannot have his way in all things -- Without this mutual disposition, we are disjointed individuals, but not a society."
History is scattered with the stories of those who held fast to rigid ideologies and refused to listen to those who disagreed. But those are not the Americans we remember. We remember the Americans who put country above self, and set personal grievances aside for the greater good. We remember the Americans who held this country together during its most difficult hours; who put aside pride and party to form a more perfect union.
That's who we remember. That's who we need to be right now. The entire world is watching. So let's seize this moment to show why the United States of America is still the greatest nation on Earth - not just because we can still keep our word and meet our obligations, but because we can still come together as one nation. Thank you, God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/BarackObama-debtceilingimpasse/2011/07/25/id/404801
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Full Text of John Boehner's Address
Monday, 25 Jul 2011 10:19 PM
Good evening. I'm John Boehner. I serve as Speaker of the whole House -- of the members of both parties that you elect. These are difficult times in the life of our nation. Millions are looking for work, have been for some time, and the spending binge going on in Washington is a big part of the reason why.
Before I served in Congress, I ran a small business in Ohio. I was amazed at how different Washington DC operated than every business in America. Where most American business make the hard choices to pay their bills and live within their means, in Washington more spending and more debt is business as usual.
I've got news for Washington -- those days are over.
President Obama came to Congress in January and requested business as usual -- yet another routine increase in the national debt limit -- we in the House said "not so fast." Here was the president, asking for the largest debt increase in American history, on the heels of the largest spending binge in American history.
Here's what we got for that spending binge: a massive health care bill that most Americans never asked for. A "stimulus" bill that was more effective in producing material for late-night comedians than it was in producing jobs. And a national debt that has gotten so out of hand it has sparked a crisis without precedent in my lifetime or yours.
The United States cannot default on its debt obligations. The jobs and savings of too many Americans are at stake.
What we told the president in January was this: the American people will not accept an increase in the debt limit without significant spending cuts and reforms.
And over the last six months, we've done our best to convince the president to partner with us to do something dramatic to change the fiscal trajectory of our country. . .something that will boost confidence in our economy, renew a measure of faith in our government, and help small businesses get back on track.
Last week, the House passed such a plan, and with bipartisan support. It's called the "Cut, Cap, and Balance" Act. It CUTS and CAPS government spending and paves the way for a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution, which we believe is the best way to stop Washington from spending money it doesn't have. Before we even passed the bill in the House, the president said he would veto it.
I want you to know I made a sincere effort to work with the president to identify a path forward that would implement the principles of Cut, Cap, & Balance in a manner that could secure bipartisan support and be signed into law. I gave it my all.
Unfortunately, the president would not take yes for an answer. Even when we thought we might be close on an agreement, the president's demands changed.
The president has often said we need a "balanced" approach -- which in Washington means: we spend more. . .you pay more. Having run a small business, I know those tax increases will destroy jobs.
The president is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs. As the father of two daughters, I know these programs won't be there for them and their kids unless significant action is taken now.
The sad truth is that the president wanted a blank check six months ago, and he wants a blank check today. That is just not going to happen.
You see, there is no stalemate in Congress. The House has passed a bill to raise the debt limit with bipartisan support. And this week, while the Senate is struggling to pass a bill filled with phony accounting and Washington gimmicks, we will pass another bill -- one that was developed with the support of the bipartisan leadership of the U.S. Senate.
Obviously, I expect that bill can and will pass the Senate, and be sent to the President for his signature. If the President signs it, the 'crisis' atmosphere he has created will simply disappear. The debt limit will be raised. Spending will be cut by more than one trillion dollars, and a serious, bipartisan committee of the Congress will begin the hard but necessary work of dealing with the tough challenges our nation faces.
The individuals doing this work will not be outsiders, but elected representatives of the people, doing the job they were elected to do as outlined in the Constitution. Those decisions should be made based on how they will affect people who are struggling to get a job, not how they affect some politician's chances of getting re-elected.
This debate isn't about President Obama and House Republicans ... it isn't about Congress and the White House ... it's about what's standing between the American people and the future we seek for ourselves and our families.
You know, I've always believed, the bigger government, the smaller the people. And right now, we have a government so big and so expensive it's sapping the drive of our people and keeping our economy from running at full capacity.
The solution to this crisis is not complicated: if you're spending more money than you're taking in, you need to spend less of it.
There is no symptom of big government more menacing than our debt. Break its grip, and we begin to liberate our economy and our future.
We are up to the task, and I hope President Obama will join us in this work.
God bless you and your families, and God bless America.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/johnBoehner/2011/07/25/id/404803