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'A thing for Fox'
Carney makes an accusation
The day after White House press secretary Jay Carney and Fox News reporter Ed Henry tangled over Henry's request for specifics on Obama's plan on debt limit and deficit reduction, Carney and Henry were back at it again on Wednesday.
Henry asked at the briefing when Obama's plan might be submitted to the Congressional Budget Office.
"Ed, I understand, we can do this again, OK?" Carney said. "Has the speaker of the House shown you the positions he took in detail in the negotiations that were designed actually to achieve a compromise, as opposed to having a show vote?"
"We put forward a budget, we put forward a framework," Carney said.
Questions about Obama's plan -- where is it, what's on it -- are proving tricky for the White House, because the omission is suddenly getting traction.
"Both leaders, the senior-most Republican in the land, third in line, OK? A powerful figure with great authority sat on a room with the president of the United States and worked out a detailed compromise," Carney said.
"It is the nature of these kinds of difficult things that you do that in a way so that you agree on the tough choices, you come out together and announce them, and you begin to make the argument," he said. "A hard argument from each person to his party, that this is what we need to do for the sake of the country."
Carney's explanation was once again that these deals have to be worked out in secret. But Henry pressed on -- why not have a senator take up Obama's detailed plan and introduce it as a bill?
"We are six days away," Henry said.
"Chuck -- I mean Ed, you know, the speaker walked away from this deal," Carney said.
"You say it's a great deal so put it out there," Henry said. "Let the American people -- "
"I think I've answered the question," Carney said. "I mean, I know you're creating a thing here for Fox..."
Henry, who hardly pulled punches when he sat a few seats over for CNN, chided Carney, "That's not what I'm doing. You know better than that."
The White House has previously found it useful to single out Fox, saying they don't regard the network as a traditional news organization, calling it a "wing of the Republican Party" and equating reporters who cover the White House to Bill O'Reilly and former Fox host Glenn Beck.
Next year, Henry takes over as president of the White House Correspondents Association -- meaning ever closer dealings with the administration.
"Ed, somebody from Fox sat in a room with senior White House officials and got more detail on the president's proposal and what was agreed upon between the president and the speaker of the House than you could name me now is in any of the proposals put forward by House Republicans," Carney said. "And you know it."
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0711/a_thing_for_fox_f74f5ad3-fc03-4d15-854c-d5ddeda3967c.html
Hahahaha. I like this Ed Henry guy.
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Again - where the fuck is obamas plan???? Anyone?
For all his bullshit on tv 24 7 can one person tell me his plan?
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Again - where the fuck is obamas plan???? Anyone?
For all his bullshit on tv 24 7 can one person tell me his plan?
Last time he tried taking a shot at a "plan" it got shot down 97-0 in the democrat-controlled senate. He's still licking his wounds from that embarrassment.
He's incapable of cutting spending so he's just not going to bother.
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He is creating this chaos by fostering a war between boehner and reid. He sits there and tosses barbs from the sidelines and is the biggest problem here.
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Again - where the fuck is obamas plan???? Anyone?
For all his bullshit on tv 24 7 can one person tell me his plan?
Congress is responsible for creating the plans(legislative branch). The President enforces it (Executive Branch). The Courts interpets the law (Judicial).
Hope that helps
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Congress is responsible for creating the plans(legislative branch). The President enforces it (Executive Branch). The Courts interpets the law (Judicial).
Hope that helps
Overview of the budget process
The President, according to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, must submit a budget to Congress each year. In its current form, federal budget legislation law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a)) specifies that the President submit a budget between the first Monday in January and the first Monday in February. In recent times, the President's budget submission, entitled Budget of the U.S. Government, has been issued in the first week of February. Thus, President George W. Bush submitted the FY2007 budget in February 2006. The President's budget submission, along with supporting documents and historical budget data, can be found at the Office of Management and Budget's (OMB) website. The President's budget contains detailed information on spending and revenue proposals, along with policy proposals and initiatives with significant budgetary implications.
Each year in March, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) publishes an analysis of the President's budget proposals. CBO budget report and other publications can be found at the CBO's website. CBO computes a current law baseline projection that is intended to estimate what federal spending and revenues would be in the absence of new legislation for the current fiscal year and for the coming 10 fiscal years.
The House and Senate Budget Committees begin consideration of President's budget proposals in February and March. Other committees with budgetary responsibilities submit requests and estimates to the Budget committees during this time. The Budget committees each submit a budget resolution by April 1. The House and Senate each consider those budget resolutions and are expected to pass them, possibly with amendments, by April 15. Budget resolutions specify funding levels for appropriations committees and subcommittees.
Appropriations committees, starting with allocations in the budget resolution, put together appropriations bills, which may be considered in the House after May 15. Once appropriations committees pass their bills, they are considered by the House and Senate. A conference committee is typically required to resolve differences between House and Senate bills. Once a conference bill has passed both chambers of Congress, it is sent to the President, who may sign the bill or veto. If he signs, the bill becomes law. Otherwise, Congress must pass another bill to avoid a shutdown of at least part of the federal government.
In recent years, Congress has not passed all of the appropriations bills before the start of the fiscal year. Congress has then enacted continuing resolutions, that provide for the temporary funding of government operations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_budget_process
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Congress is responsible for creating the plans(legislative branch). The President enforces it (Executive Branch). The Courts interpets the law (Judicial).
Hope that helps
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Again - where the fuck is obamas plan???? Anyone?
Does the president introduce legislation?
Or does the House?
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It's funny that Obama sends Carney out there to defend his invisible plan.
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Does the president introduce legislation?
Or does the House?
HEY FUCKING MORON - THE HOUSE ALREADY PRESENTED TWO PLANS, BOTH OF WHICH TYPHOID BARRY LIED, AND SCAREMONGERED OVER.
NOW - WHERE IS OBAMA'S DEFICIT PLAN?
SIMPSON/BOWELS? OH THATS RIGHT - OBAMA NEVER ACTED ON HIS OWN PLAN.
SO AGAIN - WHERE IS OBAMAS' PLAN?
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HEY FUCKING MORON - THE HOUSE ALREADY PRESENTED TWO PLANS, BOTH OF WHICH TYPHOID BARRY LIED, AND SCAREMONGERED OVER.
NOW - WHERE IS OBAMA'S DEFICIT PLAN?
SIMPSON/BOWELS? OH THATS RIGHT - OBAMA NEVER ACTED ON HIS OWN PLAN.
SO AGAIN - WHERE IS OBAMAS' PLAN?
Obama has been kicking your ass! He doesn't need a plan. The economy is going great! Obama killed Osama! You're a racist!
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Obama has been kicking your ass! He doesn't need a plan. The economy is going great! Obama killed Osama! You're a racist!
180's level of willful ignorance on this is staggering.
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180's level of willful ignorance on this is staggering.
Ha ha--- ;D That is actually a pretty good one. From this day forward 240 or Bust shall be known as 180.
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Ha ha--- ;D That is actually a pretty good one. From this day forward 240 or Bust shall be known as 180.
I can't take credit for that. I think Tony or BF was the first to coin that phrase.
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Actually it should be 120 since he is half the man he used to be
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Carney's a bitch...can't Obama atleast hire somebody with a jaw line. Yet another lib bitch.
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its not obamas job to draw up the plan you nitwit, vince is actually right, why you insist on lying is beyond me.
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its not obamas job to draw up the plan you nitwit, vince is actually right, why you insist on lying is beyond me.
Hey dipshit - it might not be his job - but since he:
1. Rejected his own deficit plan a year ago (Simpson Bowles_
2. Lied and scaremongered about Ryans' plan - 6 months ago (GOP passed that in the house).
3. Rejected Boehners' Cut Cap and Balance plan - passed the house.
SO AGAIN ASSHOLE - WHERE IS TYPHOID BARRY'S PLAN?
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What are we at now, 27 months since a budget has been passed, yeah its the TEA parties fault ::)
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What are we at now, 27 months since a budget has been passed, yeah its the TEA parties fault ::)
didnt say it was, just pointing out that those crying where is his plan as if it is his job to draw up a plan have no idea what they are talking about. It was the point i was adressing.
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didnt say it was, just pointing out that those crying where is his plan as if it is his job to draw up a plan have no idea what they are talking about. It was the point i was adressing.
And again - you and vince are fucking idiots. Yes, you are a moron, woefully uninformed, and really are otherwise clueless on what is going on.
Obama rejected his own deficit panel plan a year ago. STRIKE ONE
Obama rejected the Ryan budget and plan - which passed in the house - STRIKE TWO
Obama rejected the Boehner plan cut cap and balance which passed in the house. - STRIKE THREE
SO NOW DOUCHEBAG - WHERE IS OBAMAS' PLAN SINCE HE REFUSES TO SIGN ANYTHING OUT OF THE HOUSE AND EVEN HIS OWN DEFICT PANEL RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A YEAR AGO?
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didnt say it was, just pointing out that those crying where is his plan as if it is his job to draw up a plan have no idea what they are talking about. It was the point i was adressing.
Joe Scarborough:
"I have got to clear this up. Mika heard two days ago on Capitol Hill Democrats all saying the same thing. And that is, this president has been invisible, he is not a leader. They said this all behind closed doors. Democratic leaders, Democratic rank-and-file. In fact, 40, 50 of the most powerful Democrats on the Hill. I will just stop right there. The complaints were all the same. The president has vanished. He has left us here alone again like he did with health care. Where is he? Now, they didn't call him a loser, but they sure as hell didn't call him a leader."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/29/scarborough_dems_say_privately_obama_is_invisible_not_a_leader.html
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Joe Scarborough:
"I have got to clear this up. Mika heard two days ago on Capitol Hill Democrats all saying the same thing. And that is, this president has been invisible, he is not a leader. They said this all behind closed doors. Democratic leaders, Democratic rank-and-file. In fact, 40, 50 of the most powerful Democrats on the Hill. I will just stop right there. The complaints were all the same. The president has vanished. He has left us here alone again like he did with health care. Where is he? Now, they didn't call him a loser, but they sure as hell didn't call him a leader."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/29/scarborough_dems_say_privately_obama_is_invisible_not_a_leader.html
PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
rejecting others plans doesn't require him to make one, logical fallacy number one dummy
logical fallacious statement number 2, he has to select a plan even if said plan is poor.
you are the king of the straw man, making up fake arguments and then attacking them as if i said them.
how about the global warming paper that was fraudulent and produced by a corporate hack you posted yesterday? got anymore lies lying around?
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Do u understand what a leader is or does..barry is an empty suit. He's not putting any plans out there, he mentions secret ones...that come to nothing. U poooor lib douchbags..ur savior is a failure.
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PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
rejecting others plans doesn't require him to make one, logical fallacy number one dummy
logical fallacious statement number 2, he has to select a plan even if said plan is poor.
you are the king of the straw man, making up fake arguments and then attacking them as if i said them.
how about the global warming paper that was fraudulent and produced by a corporate hack you posted yesterday? got anymore lies lying around?
You are such a fucking joke. I do nothing my laugh my ass off at your hollow attempts to shill for obama.
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You are such a fucking joke. I do nothing my laugh my ass off at your hollow attempts to shill for obama.
you are a proven liar, what more can i say, i demolished you on global warming i demolish you when it comes to this topic and guess what the vast majority of americans also see the GOP as failing, up to almost 75% son.
I have criticized obama numerous times, however, you fail to acknowledge that because you cant fathom that someone puts facts and reason above party lines like you. You will never admit he has done well in anything.
it is people like you who are ruining the us and risking the world, so staunch in there approach that they cant even review the oppositions position, you have all the answers, luckily for us when you state or post them they are usually demonstratable lies like yesterday.
how does it feel to be a liar?
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you are a proven liar, what more can i say, i demolished you on global warming i demolish you when it comes to this topic and guess what the vast majority of americans also see the GOP as failing, up to almost 75% son.
I have criticized obama numerous times, however, you fail to acknowledge that because you cant fathom that someone puts facts and reason above party lines like you. You will never admit he has done well in anything.
it is people like you who are ruining the us and risking the world, so staunch in there approach that they cant even review the oppositions position, you have all the answers, luckily for us when you state or post them they are usually demonstratable lies like yesterday.
how does it feel to be a liar?
I have not even paid attention to your hysterical rantings on the disproven and bogus globalist warming bs.
And yes, I am closed minded to proven failures like obama, krugman, al gore, etc.
when they do something that remotely performs as promised, please call me. Until then - STFU with you failed commie/socialist bs. no one is buying it anymore.
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you are a proven liar, what more can i say, i demolished you on global warming i demolish you when it comes to this topic and guess what the vast majority of americans also see the GOP as failing, up to almost 75% son.
I have criticized obama numerous times, however, you fail to acknowledge that because you cant fathom that someone puts facts and reason above party lines like you. You will never admit he has done well in anything.
it is people like you who are ruining the us and risking the world, so staunch in there approach that they cant even review the oppositions position, you have all the answers, luckily for us when you state or post them they are usually demonstratable lies like yesterday.
how does it feel to be a liar?
"I demolished"...."son" ...ur a fucktard. We promise not to comment on Canadian poltics (because it doesn't matter" if u promise to go away.
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Where is the plan?’ Jay Carney says Obama’s 'Plan' is the best-known debt plan
Daily Caller ^ | 07/29/2011 | Matthew Boyle
White House press secretary Jay Carney said Thursday that President Obama’s debt ceiling plan is the best-known option at this point. There’s just one problem with that: No publicly available, detailed Obama plan exists.
“There is no plan that has been offered, certainly in the last several months, about which more detail is known or has been specified than the Obama-Boehner plan, okay, in terms of the cuts in domestic spending, both defense and non-defense discretionary; the savings coming out of entitlements programs, including Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security; the kind of tax reform that was envisioned and the mechanisms by which tax revenue would be a hard thing for Republicans to accept but was part of the deal — that would be $800 billion, that would be part of this proposal,” Carney said.
What Carney was referring to is the negotiations Obama and House Speaker John Boehner were conducting behind closed doors. No written plan ever came out of those meetings, and the two political leaders never reached an agreement. Boehner went on to develop his own plan.
After learning of Carney’s declaration of confidence in his boss’s plan, Senate Republicans struck back at Obama. In a web posting, the Senate GOP asked of Carney’s statement: “Where is the CBO score? Where is the text? Where is the plan?”
The Daily Caller reported Wednesday that Obama has been able to avoid making political enemies inside the Democratic Party by keeping his plans and proposals limited to negotiations behind closed doors. Not informing the public about specific plans or proposals he supports or opposes can help him minimize political damage.
Carney appears to confirm that sentiment. As for why Obama hasn’t been specific with what he supports and opposes, Carney said it’s politically smarter to remain vague.
“If you lay out a proposal that’s politically — by yourself that’s extremely politically hard for your party, whether you’re Republican or Democrat, it’s like putting a clay pigeon in the air,” Carney said. “It’s ensuring its defeat. And that’s — and maybe that’s a sad statement, perhaps, about how Washington works, but it’s an incredibly realistic statement about how Washington works.”
More confusion about what specifically White House officials are referring to when talking about Obama’s plan ensued later on Thursday. In a White House Twitter chat Thursday afternoon, Obama administration officials tweeted out a link to what they call the president’s debt ceiling plan. Instead of linking to the “Obama-Boehner” plan Carney referred to mere hours before, the link directs to an April 13 White House “Fiscal Responsibility” fact sheet. The fact sheet does not use the term “debt ceiling.”
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THIS IS WHAT YOU MORONS VOTED FOR - CONGRATS
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Obama's complete inability to lead has been exposed once again....driving the final nail into his political coffin.
Nov12 will be a Repub tsunami. Rachel Madcow should start shopping for plane tickets to Venezuela right now.